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Let me put this to you oppositely, SECONDRATE

WHO would oppose securing our borders, and just as importantly ... why?

WHO would push for MOAR WAR and, just as importantly ... why?

WHO would oppose spending on infrastructure, and ... why?

I think Congress had amply demonstrated that it does not have America's interests at heart because it opposes policies that are directly beneficial to America.

Trump's implementation leaves much to be desired .... I think I already said that ... but his motives are in the right place. A lot more than deep-state complicit establishment politicians.



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Still waiting for your response.

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Don't wait for me, Signym. If Trump had ADHD, are you thinking he deserves special sympathy for his mental condition and his inability to function in his job? I don't think ADHD is his problem, but if it was, the GOP Senators ought to kick Trump's ass out of the White House for not taking the drugs to control ADHD and replace him with Mike Pence. If Pence was sick, he would take his medicine rather than whine like Trump about not taking drugs.

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He's doing great at his job.

Yay for ADHD!

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You're deflecting, SLOPPY.

THESE are the questions you've been avoiding ever since Signy posted them.

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Let me put this to you oppositely, SECONDRATE

WHO would oppose securing our borders, and just as importantly ... why?

WHO would push for MOAR WAR and, just as importantly ... why?

WHO would oppose spending on infrastructure, and ... why?

I think Congress had amply demonstrated that it does not have America's interests at heart because it opposes policies that are directly beneficial to America.

Trump's implementation leaves much to be desired .... I think I already said that ... but his motives are in the right place. A lot more than deep-state complicit establishment politicians.

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He's doing great at his job.

Yay for ADHD!

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Says the guy who has NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE of what doing a great job would look like.

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Sticks and stones, bitch.

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Originally posted by second:
It was not ADHD that made Trump do it: In the span of about four minutes, President Donald Trump made at least six false statements on the unfolding crisis in Syria triggered by his decision last week to withdraw US troops.

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You're deflecting, SLOPPY.
THESE are the questions you've been avoiding ever since Signy posted them.

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Let me put this to you oppositely, SECONDRATE
WHO would oppose securing our borders, and just as importantly ... why?
WHO would push for MOAR WAR and, just as importantly ... why?
WHO would oppose spending on infrastructure, and ... why?

I think Congress had amply demonstrated that it does not have America's interests at heart because it opposes policies that are directly beneficial to America.

Trump's implementation leaves much to be desired .... I think I already said that ... but his motives are in the right place. A lot more than deep-state complicit establishment politicians.- SIGYN

You might not be aware of where your statements are going: Trump overthrows Congress in the best interests of America.SECONDRATE

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Read Trump’s wild letter to Turkey’s Erdogan

This is one of the most astonishing letters in diplomatic history. It was not ADHD that caused Trump to write:

THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
October 9, 2019

His Excellency
Recep Tayyip Erdogan
President of the Republic of Turkey
Ankara

Dear Mr. President:

Let's work out a good deal! You don't want to be responsible for slaughtering thousands of people, and I don't want to be responsible for destroying the Turkish economy — and I will. I've already given you a little sample with respect to Pastor Brunson.

I have worked hard to solve some of your problems. Don’t let the world down. You can make a great deal. General Mazloum is willing to negotiate with you, and he is willing to make concessions that they would never have made in the past. I am confidentially enclosing a copy of his letter to me, just received.

History will look upon you favorably if you get this done the right and humane way. It will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don't happen. Don't be a tough guy. Don't be a fool!

I will call you later.

Sincerely,
Donald Trump

The letter is dated October 9, which means it was written just three days after Trump ordered the withdrawal of US troops from northern Syria. The goal of the letter, it seems, was to convince Erdogan not to send his forces into Syria to attack the Kurds, who had been the American military’s strongest partner in the fight against ISIS. But, as we now know, Turkey did launch its offensive against the Kurds — on October 9.

The letter goes against every tenet of decorum and presidential communication. It’s brash, nasty, and lacking any diplomatic tact whatsoever. The letter shows that American foreign policy is firmly in Trump’s hands — and, like it or not, run by his own unvarnished words. But if Erdogan is upset about this whole thing, perhaps he and Trump can smooth it over on the phone. “I will call you later,” the commander in chief ends the letter. Too late. The war has started and ADHD is not to blame. This is pure Trump at work, doing the President job.

More at www.vox.com/2019/10/16/20918009/trump-erdogan-letter-tough-guy-fool-ku
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You're deflecting, SLOPPY.
THESE are the questions you've been avoiding ever since Signy posted them.

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Let me put this to you oppositely, SECONDRATE
WHO would oppose securing our borders, and just as importantly ... why?
WHO would push for MOAR WAR and, just as importantly ... why?
WHO would oppose spending on infrastructure, and ... why?

I think Congress had amply demonstrated that it does not have America's interests at heart because it opposes policies that are directly beneficial to America.

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I understand that Dems didn't ike the infrastructure bill, but it would nonetheless represent 20% more funds for local use than what the localities currently have. Voting against it seems a case of nose-cutting and face-spiting.

And, what about MOAR WAR?

What about not securing our borders?

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I think Trump has a MATH problem, not an ADHD problem.

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Trump has a lot of problems - just the past 60 days:

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Originally posted by second: The immediate effects are well-known, but the longer-term ripple effects could plague the region, not to mention America’s standing in the world, for years to come.

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So would it be fair to say that SECONDRATE and CC vote for MOAR WAR?

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May I remind you that this jihadi-Syrian-Turkish-Saudi-Israeli-clusterfuck was created by OBAMA?

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SEONDRATE, your denial of facts is astonsihing.

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another deflection due to inability to address signy's post

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SEONDRATE, your denial of facts is astonsihing.

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So would it be fair to say that SECONDRATE and CC vote for MOAR WAR?

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*ignores another signy deflection post*

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SEONDRATE, your denial of facts is astonsihing.

To put this in terms of something YOU understand ... Vietnam ... withdrawing in defeat is always messy. Nobody likes to leave the battlefield on somebody's else's terms, and hence there is alway a desire to protect one's former mercenaries/ proxies/ partners/ allies, or the idea that if we had only done "more" things would have worked out differently. There is always the impulse to throw good money after bad, and throw more people onto the pyre.

Kennedy and (especially) Johnson managed to fight a war terribly, Nixon accomplished the withdrawal. Obama managed to fuck up the Syrian effort and screw over several partners and one actual ally, all at the same time. Trump, if he is successful, will manage a withdrawal.

Deal with it.

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another deflection due to inability to address signy's post

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SOMEBODY has been hittin' the sauce a little early today, methinks.

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"So would it be fair to say that SECONDRATE and CC vote for MOAR WAR?"
It would be fair to say that I vote to Impeach Trump and remove him from office.

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It's so cute when they revert to stereo types and accuse others of doing exactly what they're doing.

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Here's a topical - PART OF A DISCUSSION - Sigyn-post SLOPPY couldn't address.

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SEONDRATE, your denial of facts is astonsihing.

To put this in terms of something YOU understand ... Vietnam ... withdrawing in defeat is always messy. Nobody likes to leave the battlefield on somebody's else's terms, and hence there is alway a desire to protect one's former mercenaries/ proxies/ partners/ allies, or the idea that if we had only done "more" things would have worked out differently. There is always the impulse to throw good money after bad, and throw more people onto the pyre.

Kennedy and (especially) Johnson managed to fight a war terribly, Nixon accomplished the withdrawal. Obama managed to fuck up the Syrian effort and screw over several partners and one actual ally, all at the same time. Trump, if he is successful, will manage a withdrawal.

Deal with it.

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I'm old enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, when JFK's diseased mind became a problem. I was living in Miami at the time, so it was a big deal on TV. When I was much older, I understood how stupidly JFK had gotten the World into that Crisis. He was off-his-rocker, out-of-his-mind. It would not have been a bad thing if JFK's Addison's disease had disqualified him from being President. Trump's untreated ADHD should disqualify him to be President. He could have stayed a TV host on a game show.

As reminder that JFK was a bad President: Reached through sober analysis, Stern’s conclusion that “John F. Kennedy and his administration, without question, bore a substantial share of the responsibility for the onset of the Cuban missile crisis” would have shocked the American people in 1962, for the simple reason that Kennedy’s administration had misled them about the military imbalance between the superpowers and had concealed its campaign of threats, assassination plots, and sabotage designed to overthrow the government in Cuba — an effort well known to Soviet and Cuban officials.

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I'm old enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, when JFK's diseased mind became a problem. I was living in Miami at the time, so it was a big deal on TV. When I was much older, I understood how stupidly JFK had gotten the World into that Crisis. He was off-his-rocker, out-of-his-mind. It would not have been a bad thing if JFK's Addison's disease had disqualified him from being President. Trump's untreated ADHD should disqualify him to be President. He could have stayed a TV host on a game show.

As reminder that JFK was a bad President: Reached through sober analysis, Stern’s conclusion that “John F. Kennedy and his administration, without question, bore a substantial share of the responsibility for the onset of the Cuban missile crisis” would have shocked the American people in 1962, for the simple reason that Kennedy’s administration had misled them about the military imbalance between the superpowers and had concealed its campaign of threats, assassination plots, and sabotage designed to overthrow the government in Cuba — an effort well known to Soviet and Cuban officials.

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Doesn't your brain get tired of biting itself in the ass?

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On July 25, 1972, just over two weeks after the 1972 Democratic Convention, Eagleton admitted the truth of news reports that he had received electroshock therapy for clinical depression during the 1960s. McGovern initially said he would back Eagleton "1000 percent". Subsequently, McGovern consulted confidentially with preeminent psychiatrists, including Eagleton's own doctors, who advised him that a recurrence of Eagleton's depression was possible and could endanger the country should Eagleton become president.

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but it is NOT too late to kick Trump out of office for ADHD, which he is refusing to have treated because he does not do drugs, as 1kiki argued.

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I'm old enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, when JFK's diseased mind became a problem. I was living in Miami at the time, so it was a big deal on TV. When I was much older, I understood how stupidly JFK had gotten the World into that Crisis. He was off-his-rocker, out-of-his-mind. It would not have been a bad thing if JFK's Addison's disease had disqualified him from being President. Trump's untreated ADHD should disqualify him to be President. He could have stayed a TV host on a game show.

As reminder that JFK was a bad President: Reached through sober analysis, Stern’s conclusion that “John F. Kennedy and his administration, without question, bore a substantial share of the responsibility for the onset of the Cuban missile crisis” would have shocked the American people in 1962, for the simple reason that Kennedy’s administration had misled them about the military imbalance between the superpowers and had concealed its campaign of threats, assassination plots, and sabotage designed to overthrow the government in Cuba — an effort well known to Soviet and Cuban officials.

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Doesn't your brain get tired of biting itself in the ass?- SIGNY

Signym, do you remember this story? I do because Nixon was very pro-Vietnam War and McGovern was very much against the Vietnam War:

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I would say that many American voters really hate Presidents who have something provably wrong with their brains.

When Kennedy was alive, he would NOT have been elected President if American voters had known what was wrong with him. One of his many bad decisions caused the Cuban Missile Crisis, which almost got millions killed. Another bad one, when he disregarded the Secret Service's recommendation, got him killed in Dallas. Signym, you were the one who suggested Kennedy's Addison's Disease addled his brain.

It is too late to do anything about Kennedy, since he is not in the White House, but it is NOT too late to kick Trump out of office for ADHD, which he is refusing to have treated because he does not do drugs, as 1kiki argued.- SECONDRATE

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And yet, despite Kennedy's missteps he is remembered as a great President, and one whose Addison's disease and apparent sex addiction did not detract from his Presidency. while Jimmy Carter - despite his sound mind, technical education, and moral character is remembered as a so-so President. Reagan, despite his loose hold on reality proposed a breakthrough nuclear arms reduction. Clinton, of sound mind, was a slimeball who forwarded the interests of the "free trade" transnational elites and made possible the crash of 2008 by changing financial regulations.

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In order to properly assess Trump's motives, you have to analyze his ACTIONS and hopefully infer his goals. Are they good for the nation, or bad? If you're going to do that kind of analysis on Trump, why not address Congress' motives/actions as well? (Unless of course you're completely biased. Are you?) I'm more interested in the RESULTS of his actions.



So this is where analysis comes in: You first have to separate the informational wheat from the chaff, which you will never do if you keep on deflecting and twisting your brain around to bolster your permanent grotch.


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What about THOSE cases? And where does TRUMP fit into this picture so far? You're just deflecting. I assume you will continue to deflect . . .

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When I looked at Trump's behavior, everything is best explained by ADHD. ADHD isn't a "motive" problem, it's a processing problem. It doesn't take away from anyone's good intentions or empathy or even their intelligence, but it DOES affect their focus and capability. Also, people with ADHD tend to "motor mouth" ... I think of Trump's tweets as motormouthing and I don't even pay attention to them unless the M$M keeps shoving them in my face. I'm more interested in the RESULTS of his actions.

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Millions of Latinos came here because Trump said something nasty about them?

Yerp. You're an idiot.

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How about ... spending a trillion dollars GOLFING and killing a buncha Kurds in a pointless pullout?

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Millions of Latinos came here because Trump said something nasty about them?

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If you don't have a CLUE what happens, maybe stop commenting??
Oh, yeah. Narcissists think everything they say is genius.....



https://www.vox.com/2019/3/6/18253444/border-statistics-illegal-immigr
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We haven't had as many migrants coming here for almost 20 YEARS. You really think it's sheer coincidence we get a prez that calls them all rapists and starts chanting about walls and how they will never be able to get in again and they then immediately start running here in caravans??

HE CAUSED IT BY BEING A BLOWHARD. DUH.

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How about ... spending a trillion dollars GOLFING and killing a buncha Kurds in a pointless pullout? ... FIXED IT

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Millions of Latinos came here because Trump said something nasty about them?

Yerp. You're an idiot.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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HAHAHAHA!!!! SLOPPY lacks imagination, knowledge of history and a sense of proportion. YOU have lost your grip on reality!


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Seriously, moron, you live right here with him and the only thing you can do about it is get your fat ass off the couch long enough to post negative shit about the guy online.

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REALLY???

How about ... spending a trillion dollars and killing a million people in a pointless war?

Or what about ... throwing trillions of dollars at banks while putting victims of fraudulent loans out on the street?

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REALLY???

How about ... spending a trillion dollars and killing a million people in a pointless war?

Or what about ... throwing trillions of dollars at banks while putting victims of fraudulent loans out on the street?

That's just faux outrage on your part. Obviously you lack (a)imagination (b)knowledge of recent history and (c)a sense of proportion.

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