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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 2:57 PM

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The President’s Scheme Unraveled

By early September, President Zelensky was ready to make a public announcement of the two investigations to secure a White House meeting and the military assistance his country desperately needed. He proceeded to book an interview on CNN during which he could make such an announcement, but other events soon intervened.

On September 9, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the Committees on Oversight and Reform, and the Committee on Foreign Affairs announced an investigation into the scheme by President Trump and his personal attorney, Mr. Giuliani “to improperly pressure the Ukrainian government to assist the President’s bid for reelection.” The Committees sent document production and preservation requests to the White House and the State Department related to the investigation. NSC staff members believed this investigation might have had “the effect of releasing the hold” on Ukraine military assistance because it would have been “potentially politically challenging” to “justify that hold.”

Later that day, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community (ICIG) sent a letter to Chairman Schiff and Ranking Member Nunes notifying the Committee that a whistleblower had filed a complaint on August 12 that the ICIG had determined to be both an “urgent concern” and “credible.” Nevertheless, the Acting Director of National Intelligence (DNI) took the unprecedented step of withholding the complaint from the Congressional Intelligence Committees, in coordination with the White House and the Department of Justice.

The White House had been aware of the whistleblower complaint for several weeks, and press reports indicate that the President was briefed on it in late August. The ICIG’s notification to Congress of the complaint’s existence, and the announcement of a separate investigation into the same subject matter, telegraphed to the White House that attempts to condition the security assistance on the announcement of the political investigations beneficial to President Trump—and efforts to cover up that misconduct—would not last.

On September 11, in the face of growing public and Congressional scrutiny, President Trump lifted the hold on security assistance to Ukraine. As with the implementation of the hold, no clear reason was given. By the time the President ordered the release of security assistance to Ukraine, DOD was unable to spend approximately 14 percent of the funds appropriated by Congress for Fiscal Year 2019. Congress had to pass a new law to extend the funding in order to ensure the full amount could be used by Ukraine to defend itself.

Even after the hold was lifted, President Zelensky still intended to sit for an interview with CNN in order to announce the investigations—indeed, he still wanted the White House meeting. At the urging of Ambassador Taylor, President Zelensky cancelled the CNN interview on September 18 or 19. The White House meeting, however, still has not occurred.



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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 2:57 PM

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The President’s Chief of Staff Confirmed Aid was Conditioned on Investigations

The conditioning of military aid to Ukraine on the investigations sought by the President was as clear to Ambassador Sondland as “two plus two equals four.” In fact, the President’s own Acting Chief of Staff, someone who meets with him daily, admitted that he had discussed security assistance with the President and that his decision to withhold it was directly tied to his desire to get Ukraine to conduct a political investigation.

On October 17, at a press briefing in the White House, Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney confirmed that President Trump withheld the essential military aid for Ukraine as leverage to pressure Ukraine to investigate the conspiracy theory that Ukraine had interfered in the 2016 U.S. election. As Dr. Hill made clear in her testimony, this false narrative has been promoted by President Putin to deflect away from Russia’s systemic interference in our election and to drive a wedge between the United States and a key partner.

According to Mr. Mulvaney, President Trump “[a]bsolutely” mentioned “corruption related to the DNC server” in connection with the security assistance during his July 25 call. Mr. Mulvaney also stated that the server was part of “why we held up the money.” After a reporter attempted to clarify this explicit acknowledgement of a quid pro quo, Mr. Mulvaney replied: “We do that all the time with foreign policy.” He added, “I have news for everybody: get over it. There is going to be political influence in foreign policy.”

Ambassador Taylor testified that in his decades of military and diplomatic service, he had never seen another example of foreign aid conditioned on the personal or political interests of the President. Rather, “we condition assistance on issues that will improve our foreign policy, serve our foreign policy, ensure that taxpayers’ money is well-spent,” not specific investigations designed to benefit the political interests of the President of the United States.

In contrast, President Trump does not appear to believe there is any such limitation on his power to use White House meetings, military aid or other official acts to procure foreign help in his reelection. When asked by a reporter on October 3 what he had hoped President Zelensky would do following their July 25 call, President Trump responded: “Well, I would think that, if they were honest about it, they’d start a major investigation into the Bidens. It’s a very simple answer.”


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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 2:58 PM

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II. The President Obstructed the Impeachment Inquiry by Instructing Witnesses and Agencies to Ignore Subpoenas for Documents and Testimony

An Unprecedented Effort to Obstruct an Impeachment Inquiry
Donald Trump is the first President in the history of the United States to seek to completely obstruct an impeachment inquiry undertaken by the House of Representatives under Article I of the Constitution, which vests the House with the “sole Power of Impeachment.” He has publicly and repeatedly rejected the authority of Congress to conduct oversight of his actions and has directly challenged the authority of the House to conduct an impeachment inquiry into his actions regarding Ukraine.

President Trump ordered federal agencies and officials to disregard all voluntary requests for documents and defy all duly authorized subpoenas for records. He also directed all federal officials in the Executive Branch not to testify—even when compelled.

No other President has flouted the Constitution and power of Congress to conduct oversight to this extent. No President has claimed for himself the right to deny the House’s authority to conduct an impeachment proceeding, control the scope of a power exclusively vested in the House, and forbid any and all cooperation from the Executive Branch. Even President Richard Nixon—who obstructed Congress by refusing to turn over key evidence—accepted the authority of Congress to conduct an impeachment inquiry and permitted his aides and advisors to produce documents and testify to Congressional committees.

Despite President Trump’s unprecedented and categorical commands, the House gathered overwhelming evidence of his misconduct from courageous individuals who were willing to follow the law, comply with duly authorized subpoenas, and tell the truth. In response, the President engaged in a brazen effort to publicly attack and intimidate these witnesses.

If left unanswered, President Trump’s ongoing effort to thwart Congress’ impeachment power risks doing grave harm to the institution of Congress, the balance of power between our branches of government, and the Constitutional order that the President and every Member of Congress have sworn to protect and defend.


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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 2:58 PM

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Constitutional Authority for Congressional Oversight and Impeachment

The House’s Constitutional and legal authority to conduct an impeachment inquiry is clear, as is the duty of the President to cooperate with the House’s exercise of this authority.

Article I of the U.S. Constitution gives the House of Representatives the “sole Power of Impeachment.” The Framers intended the impeachment power to be an essential check on a President who might engage in corruption or abuse of power. Congress is empowered to conduct oversight and investigations to carry out its authorities under Article I. Because the impeachment power is a core component of the nation’s Constitutional system of checks and balances, Congress’ investigative authority is at its zenith during an impeachment inquiry.

The Supreme Court has made clear that Congress’ authority to investigate includes the authority to compel the production of information by issuing subpoenas, a power the House has delegated to its committees pursuant to its Constitutional authority to “determine the Rules of its Proceedings.”

Congress has also enacted statutes to support its power to investigate and oversee the Executive Branch. These laws impose criminal and other penalties on those who fail to comply with inquiries from Congress or block others from doing so, and they reflect the broader Constitutional requirement to cooperate with Congressional investigations.

Unlike President Trump, past Presidents who were the subject of impeachment inquiries—including Presidents Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon, and Bill Clinton—recognized and, to varying degrees, complied with information requests and subpoenas.

President Nixon, for example, agreed to let his staff testify voluntarily in the Senate Watergate investigation, stating: “All members of the White House Staff will appear voluntarily when requested by the committee. They will testify under oath, and they will answer fully all proper questions.” President Nixon also produced documents in response to the House’s subpoenas as part of its impeachment inquiry, including more than 30 transcripts of White House recordings and notes from meetings with the President. When President Nixon withheld tape recordings and produced heavily edited and inaccurate records, the House Judiciary Committee approved an article of impeachment for obstruction.



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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 2:59 PM

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The President’s Categorical Refusal to Comply

Even before the House of Representatives launched its investigation regarding Ukraine, President Trump rejected the authority of Congress to investigate his actions, proclaiming, “We’re fighting all the subpoenas,” and “I have an Article II, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president.”

When the Intelligence, Oversight and Reform, and Foreign Affairs Committees began reviewing the President’s actions as part of the House’s impeachment inquiry, the President repeatedly challenged the legitimacy of the investigation in word and deed. His rhetorical attacks appeared intended not only to dispute reports of his misconduct, but to persuade the American people that the House lacks authority to investigate the President.

On September 26, President Trump argued that Congress should not be “allowed” to impeach him under the Constitution and that there “should be a way of stopping it—maybe legally, through the courts.” A common theme of his defiance has been his claims that Congress is acting in an unprecedented way and using unprecedented rules. However, the House has been following the same investigative rules that Republicans championed when they were in control.

On October 8, White House Counsel Pat Cipollone sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Chairmen of the investigating Committees confirming that President Trump directed his entire Administration not to cooperate with the House’s impeachment inquiry. Mr. Cipollone wrote: “President Trump cannot permit his Administration to participate in this partisan inquiry under these circumstances.”

Mr. Cipollone’s letter advanced remarkably politicized arguments and legal theories unsupported by the Constitution, judicial precedent, and more than 200 years of history. If allowed to stand, the President’s defiance, as justified by Mr. Cipollone, would represent an existential threat to the nation’s Constitutional system of checks and balances, separation of powers, and rule of law.


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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 2:59 PM

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The President’s Refusal to Produce Any and All Subpoenaed Documents

Following President Trump’s categorical order, not a single document has been produced by the White House, the Office of the Vice President, the Office of Management and Budget, the Department of State, the Department of Defense, or the Department of Energy in response to 71 specific, individualized requests or demands for records in their possession, custody, or control. These subpoenas remain in full force and effect. These agencies and offices also blocked many current and former officials from producing records directly to the Committees.

Certain witnesses defied the President’s sweeping, categorical, and baseless order and identified the substance of key documents. For example, Ambassador Gordon Sondland attached ten exhibits to his written hearing testimony reflecting reproductions of certain communications with high-level Administration officials, including Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, former National Security Advisor John Bolton, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Secretary of Energy Rick Perry. Other witnesses identified numerous additional documents that the President and various agencies are withholding that are directly relevant to the impeachment inquiry.

Like the White House, the Department of State refused to produce a single document in response to its subpoena, even though there is no legal basis for the Department’s actions. In fact, on November 22, the Department was forced to produce 99 pages of emails, letters, notes, timelines, and news articles to a non-partisan, nonprofit ethics watchdog organization pursuant to a court order in a lawsuit filed under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). Although limited in scope, this production affirms that the Department is withholding responsive documents from Congress without any valid legal basis.


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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 3:00 PM

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The President’s Refusal to Allow Top Aides to Testify

No other President in history has issued an order categorically directing the entire Executive Branch not to testify before Congress, including in the context of an impeachment inquiry. President Trump issued just such an order.

As reflected in Mr. Cipollone’s letter, President Trump directed government witnesses to violate their legal obligations and defy House subpoenas—regardless of their offices or positions. President Trump even extended his order to former officials no longer employed by the federal government. This Administration-wide effort to prevent all witnesses from providing testimony was coordinated and comprehensive.

At President Trump’s direction, twelve current or former Administration officials refused to testify as part of the House’s impeachment inquiry, ten of whom did so in defiance of duly authorized subpoenas:

Mick Mulvaney, Acting White House Chief of Staff
Robert B. Blair, Assistant to the President and Senior Advisor to the Chief of Staff

Ambassador John Bolton, Former National Security Advisor

John A. Eisenberg, Deputy Counsel to the President for National Security Affairs and Legal Advisor, National Security Council

Michael Ellis, Senior Associate Counsel to the President and Deputy Legal Advisor, National Security Council

Preston Wells Griffith, Senior Director for International Energy and Environment, National Security Council

Dr. Charles M. Kupperman, Former Deputy Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs, National Security Council

Russell T. Vought, Acting Director, Office of Management and Budget

Michael Duffey, Associate Director for National Security Programs, Office of Management and Budget

Brian McCormack, Associate Director for Natural Resources, Energy, and Science, Office of Management and Budget

T. Ulrich Brechbuhl, Counselor, Department of State
Secretary Rick Perry, Department of Energy

These witnesses were warned that their refusal to testify “shall constitute evidence that may be used against you in a contempt proceeding” and “may be used as an adverse inference against you and the President.”


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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 3:00 PM

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The President’s Unsuccessful Attempts to Block Other Key Witnesses

Despite President Trump’s orders that no Executive Branch employees should cooperate with the House’s impeachment inquiry, multiple key officials complied with duly authorized subpoenas and provided critical testimony at depositions and public hearings. These officials not only served their nation honorably, but they fulfilled their oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

In addition to the President’s broad orders seeking to prohibit all Executive Branch employees from testifying, many of these witnesses were personally directed by senior political appointees not to cooperate with the House’s impeachment inquiry. These directives frequently cited or enclosed copies of Mr. Cipollone’s October 8 letter conveying the President’s order not to comply.

For example, the State Department, relying on President Trump’s order, attempted to block Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch from testifying, but she fulfilled her legal obligations by appearing at a deposition on October 11 and a hearing on November 15. More than a dozen current and former officials followed her courageous example by testifying at depositions and public hearings over the course of the last two months. The testimony from these witnesses produced overwhelming and clear evidence of President Trump’s misconduct, which is described in detail in the first section of this report.



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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 3:00 PM

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The President’s Intimidation of Witnesses

President Trump publicly attacked and intimidated witnesses who came forward to comply with duly authorized subpoenas and testify about his misconduct, raising grave concerns about potential violations of criminal laws intended to protect witnesses appearing before Congressional proceedings. For example, the President attacked: Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, who served the United States honorably for decades as a U.S. diplomat and anti-corruption advocate in posts around the world under six different Presidents;

Ambassador Bill Taylor, who graduated at the top of his class at West Point, served as an infantry commander in Vietnam, and earned a Bronze Star and an Air Medal with a V device for valor;

Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, an active-duty Army officer for more than 20 years who earned a Purple Heart for wounds he sustained in an improvised explosive device attack in Iraq, as well as the Combat Infantryman Badge; and Jennifer Williams, who is Vice President Mike Pence’s top advisor on Europe and Russia and has a distinguished record of public service under the Bush, Obama, and Trump Administrations.

The President engaged in this effort to intimidate these public servants to prevent them from cooperating with Congress’ impeachment inquiry. He issued threats, openly discussed possible retaliation, made insinuations about their character and patriotism, and subjected them to mockery and derision—when they deserved the opposite. The President’s attacks were broadcast to millions of Americans—including witnesses’ families, friends, and coworkers.

It is a federal crime to intimidate or seek to intimidate any witness appearing before Congress. This prohibition applies to anyone who knowingly “uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades” another person in order to “influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding.” Violations of this law can carry a criminal sentence of up to 20 years in prison.

In addition to his relentless attacks on witnesses who testified in connection with the House’s impeachment inquiry, the President also repeatedly threatened and attacked a member of the Intelligence Community who filed an anonymous whistleblower complaint raising an “urgent concern” that “appeared credible” regarding the President’s conduct. The whistleblower filed the complaint confidentially with the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, as authorized by the relevant whistleblower law. Federal law prohibits the Inspector General from revealing the whistleblower’s identity. Federal law also protects the whistleblower from retaliation.

In more than 100 public statements about the whistleblower over a period of just two months, the President publicly questioned the whistleblower’s motives, disputed the accuracy of the whistleblower’s account, and encouraged others to reveal the whistleblower’s identity. Most chillingly, the President issued a threat against the whistleblower and those who provided information to the whistleblower regarding the President’s misconduct, suggesting that they could face the death penalty for treason.

The President’s campaign of intimidation risks discouraging witnesses from coming forward voluntarily, complying with mandatory subpoenas for documents and testimony, and disclosing potentially incriminating evidence in this inquiry and future Congressional investigations.


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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 3:04 PM

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... stay crunchy...


We hold these truths to be self-evident:

1. Trump is guilty as f*ck.
2. Trump has a 90% chance of being Impeached but staying in office.
3. God help the country and the world if he beats the rap AND wins the 2020 election. "Emboldened" is not a strong enough word - for both Trump and the GOP. We're on a Knife's Edge! This is better than Reality TV!
[ / cynical dark humor har har har ]


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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 3:38 PM

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Is this it? Is this the report you guys are waiting on?



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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 3:43 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

We hold these truths to be self-evident:

1. Trump is guilty as f*ck.
2. Trump has a 90% chance of being Impeached but staying in office.
3. God help the country and the world if he beats the rap AND wins the 2020 election. "Emboldened" is not a strong enough word - for both Trump and the GOP. We're on a Knife's Edge! This is better than Reality TV!
[ / cynical dark humor har har har ]



I know G it's sad. And Jack kiki sig rappy jsf all defend this guy. They complain about all things fake as being of concern on one hand; then completely back the con man with the other. Why then would they believe others see them as anything other than trolls?

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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 9:14 PM

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Justice Department praises watchdog's upcoming report on Russia inquiry amid reported criticism by Attorney General Barr

WASHINGTON – The Justice Department late Monday lauded an upcoming report by the agency's inspector general that is expected to conclude that the FBI's surveillance of a Trump campaign aide was legal.

"The inspector general’s investigation is a credit to the Department of Justice," said Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec of the report, which is set for release Dec. 9. "His excellent work has uncovered significant information that the American people will soon be able to read for themselves."

Horowitz is scheduled to testify about the report's findings before the Senate panel on Dec. 11.

Trump and his Republican allies have trumpeted the report, with the president claiming it would prove the FBI abused its authority. The report is not expected to support his claim.

"There was no conspiracy to unseat Mr. Trump or defeat him. There was no treason. There was no sedition," James Baker said in May. He's the FBI's former general counsel and oversaw the launch of the Russia investigation.



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Tuesday, December 3, 2019 9:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


It appears that somebody took their Adderall today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 5, 2019 1:17 PM

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Hold on to your butts.


@ShannonBream


BREAKING: DOJ IG Horowitz sends letter to Congressional leaders. Says report is going through declassification ("nearing completion"), is lengthy, and he anticipates few redactions. Doesn't foresee "a need to prepare and issue separate classified and public versions."

6:36 PM · Oct 24, 2019


Barr’s handpicked prosecutor tells inspector general he can’t back right-wing theory that Russia case was U.S. intelligence setup.

The prosecutor handpicked by Attorney General William P. Barr to scrutinize how U.S. agencies investigated President Trump’s 2016 campaign said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department’s inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence, people familiar with the matter said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/barrs-handpicked-prosecutor-te
lls-inspector-general-he-cant-back-right-wing-theory-that-russia-case-was-us-intelligence-setup/ar-BBXM9OT?ocid=spartandhp

I G report full of gas and no substance. I told you guys deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals. That's exactly what this report uncovered.

The deep state conspiracy some of you keep touting doesn't exit and here's proof of it. What's next losers?


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Thursday, December 5, 2019 1:46 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hold on to your butts.


@ShannonBream


BREAKING: DOJ IG Horowitz sends letter to Congressional leaders. Says report is going through declassification ("nearing completion"), is lengthy, and he anticipates few redactions. Doesn't foresee "a need to prepare and issue separate classified and public versions."

6:36 PM · Oct 24, 2019


Barr’s handpicked prosecutor tells inspector general he can’t back right-wing theory that Russia case was U.S. intelligence setup.

The prosecutor handpicked by Attorney General William P. Barr to scrutinize how U.S. agencies investigated President Trump’s 2016 campaign said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department’s inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence, people familiar with the matter said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/barrs-handpicked-prosecutor-te
lls-inspector-general-he-cant-back-right-wing-theory-that-russia-case-was-us-intelligence-setup/ar-BBXM9OT?ocid=spartandhp

I G report full of gas and no substance. I told you guys deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals. That's exactly what this report uncovered.

The deep state conspiracy some of you keep touting doesn't exit and here's proof of it. What's next losers?


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"people familiar with the matter said."

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 5, 2019 5:18 PM

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World Leaders Caught Talking S**t About Trump


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Thursday, December 5, 2019 5:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


It's a good thing the US President is no longer the world's lackey.

Flies shit.

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Thursday, December 5, 2019 6:29 PM

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If you recall, Horowitz' last report was a whitewash. I would be vastly surprised if this was any different.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Thursday, December 5, 2019 6:54 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK



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Thursday, December 5, 2019 6:54 PM

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lol. yup.

Fuck NATO and fuck Macron. Macron wishes he had Trump's approval rating.

Who cares?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 5, 2019 7:02 PM

THG


Trump’s favorite conspiracy theory deteriorates — courtesy of two men he hailed

rump has played up two probes into the origins of the Russia investigation — one by Inspector General Michael Horowitz and one by U.S. Attorney John Durham — and in both cases he has built up the men themselves. But Washington Post reports on both investigations now suggest the duo are not endorsing Trump’s chief conspiracy theory: that the probe of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was an unfounded witch hunt.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-favorite-conspiracy-the
ory-deteriorates-—-courtesy-of-two-men-he-hailed/ar-BBXNvm7?ocid=spartandhp

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Thursday, December 5, 2019 8:51 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. yup.

Fuck NATO and fuck Macron. Macron wishes he had Trump's approval rating.

Who cares?

Do Right, Be Right. :)


1,900 captured Muslim terrorists caught in Syria come from... wait for it...

France.

Want them back, Macron ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, December 6, 2019 11:34 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm sure he does.

They can keep the Yellow Jacket protestors too busy from shutting down traffic outside of his house for making everybody in France poor.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, December 6, 2019 6:24 PM

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reports that the Senate Intelligence Committee report debunking the Russian Ukraine/Crowdstrike story is complete and has been awaiting final DNI clearance for months. Michael Carpenter, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine, Eurasia, shares his reaction.


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Sunday, December 8, 2019 3:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:
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It was under Rue?
Hmm. I thought it was under Rue, but I see Rue only goes back to 2004. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthreaduser.aspx?u=6022 Rue is River, as I recall my original pix was Book. But I only recollect 2 handles - Rue(River) and 1kiki(Book). I may have forgotten my original handle.

Gosh - I'm sorry about that!
So, do you have links to those posts?

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Sunday, December 8, 2019 4:06 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
It was under Rue?
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Hmm. I thought it was under Rue, but I see Rue only goes back to 2004. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthreaduser.aspx?u=6022 Rue is River, as I recall my original pix was Book. But I only recollect 2 handles - Rue(River) and 1kiki(Book). I may have forgotten my original handle.

Gosh - I'm sorry about that!
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So, do you have links to those posts?
Sorry, no. I did briefly look through a few old threads to see if I could find my original name, but after over an hour, I gave up. At the time I didn't have regular access to a computer, so I didn't post that often. I think I'd have to search a lot of threads, and without a name my posts would take more time to find than I'm willing to devote.

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Monday, December 9, 2019 5:53 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


IG report is here: www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf


Trump’s comments about the IG report turn reality on its head

Trump’s extremely false analysis of the report shows how his conspiracy theories are impervious to fact-checking.

www.vox.com/2019/12/9/21003475/trump-it-report-horowitz-overthrow-lies

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, December 9, 2019 7:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by second:
IG report is here: www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf


Trump’s comments about the IG report turn reality on its head

Trump’s extremely false analysis of the report shows how his conspiracy theories are impervious to fact-checking.

www.vox.com/2019/12/9/21003475/trump-it-report-horowitz-overthrow-lies

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Second: Makes a statement.

Also Second: Backs it up with Vox as his source.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 1:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
"I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff.

However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S. Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened." -US Attorney John Durham


When I read that Horowitz concluded that the FBI was in the clear because Mifsud wasn't an FBI informant, I realized that the problem was the scope of Horowitz' remit. Most of the skulduggery was outside of the USA. If Horowitz wasn't allowed, or didn't want to extend his investigation beyond the FBI, he was destined to come up with only low-hanging fruit.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 2:46 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hi Signy! I know you're busy, but I do appreciate when you post! I really like your ability to discern pivotal facts as well as your broad-scope/long-term analysis.

Thanks for posting. I always learn something.

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 3:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


As a point of curiosity I looked up exactly WHO reports to the DOJ. Here is the DOJ's org chart:

https://www.justice.gov/agencies/chart

The CIA and NSA don't report to the DOJ either. So while Horowitz might say that the FBI didn't "spy" on the Trump campaign, I'm not sure that he can say the same for the CIA.



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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 3:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I'm vastly surprised that the local TDSers haven't jumped on the Horowitz report with a "nyah nyah nyah". I thought they'd be all over it like ... er ... white on rice.

What's the problem?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 8:38 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Second: Makes a statement.

Also Second: Backs it up with Vox as his source.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
The IG report made a statement: "While we concluded that the investigative activities undertaken by the Crossfire Hurricane team involving CHSs and UCEs complied with applicable Department and FBI policies, we believe that in certain circumstances Department and FBI policies do not provide sufficient oversight and accountability for investigative activities that have the potential to gather sensitive information involving protected First Amendment activity, and therefore include recommendations to address these issues."
www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

Then Donald J. Trump made a statement:
I don’t know what report current Director of the FBI Christopher Wray was reading, but it sure wasn’t the one given to me. With that kind of attitude, he will never be able to fix the FBI, which is badly broken despite having some of the greatest men & women working there!
4:16 AM - 10 Dec 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1204374382715506690

It is clear that either Trump can't read the report or Trump is a looney liar. Maybe Trump is both.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 9:40 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm vastly surprised that the local TDSers haven't jumped on the Horowitz report with a "nyah nyah nyah". I thought they'd be all over it like ... er ... white on rice.

What's the problem?



It was obvious what it would find - big fat zero. Ever heard of Benghazi? Nunes Report?

So now they're going to try again with Durham's "report" - just another attempt to appease that orange f*ck. I have to give Trump credit for knowing he can get away with all kinds of sh*t just by doing it brazenly and in public.

Maybe you can answer this: what does Trump have over so many GOP members of congress that makes them lie so easily in public, especially when it's so obvious they're lying? Is it FSB threats, death threats ala Skripal, money (bribery), just plain cowardice, along for the power mad train ride? It's abundantly clear Trump is a lying sack of sh*t - so what's the appeal? Why do you follow him so obediently?

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 9:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
The IG report made a statement: "While we concluded that the investigative activities undertaken by the Crossfire Hurricane team involving CHSs and UCEs complied with applicable Department and FBI policies, we believe that in certain circumstances Department and FBI policies do not provide sufficient oversight and accountability for investigative activities that have the potential to gather sensitive information involving protected First Amendment activity, and therefore include recommendations to address these issues."
www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

Then Donald J. Trump made a statement:
I don’t know what report current Director of the FBI Christopher Wray was reading, but it sure wasn’t the one given to me. With that kind of attitude, he will never be able to fix the FBI, which is badly broken despite having some of the greatest men & women working there!
4:16 AM - 10 Dec 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1204374382715506690

It is clear that either Trump can't read the report or Trump is a looney liar. Maybe Trump is both.
AHA! White, meet rice!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 9:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I'm vastly surprised that the local TDSers haven't jumped on the Horowitz report with a "nyah nyah nyah". I thought they'd be all over it like ... er ... white on rice.
What's the problem?- SIGNY

It was obvious what it would find - big fat zero. Ever heard of Benghazi? Nunes Report?
Well, I heard of the Bengahzi report and it was a witewash. same with the "investigation" of Hillary's emails. (They focused on the entirely wrong thing. Instead of investigating it as a security issue, they should have investigated it as a possible corruption issue.)

Quote:
So now they're going to try again with Durham's "report" - just another attempt to appease that orange f*ck. I have to give Trump credit for knowing he can get away with all kinds of sh*t just by doing it brazenly and in public.
Oh yeah,like the non-collusion with Russia and the non-quid-prop-quo with Ukraine. Yeah, getting away with nothing is some slick trick all right!


Quote:
Maybe you can answer this: what does Trump have over so many GOP members of congress that makes them lie public so much, especially when it's so obvious they're lying? Is it FSB threats, death threats ala Skripal, money (bribery), just plain cowardice, along for the power mad train ride? It's abundantly clear Trump is a lying sack of sh*t - so what's the appeal? Why do you follow him so obediently?
He has nothing over them. The GOP simply doesn't want to follow the DEMS over a cliff ... a cliff that the Dems themselves created.

An entire post of bullshit with the obligatory personal attack ... I knew I could count on you!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 9:53 AM

THG


Report: Trump Has Told More Than 10,000 Lies Since Being Inaugurated

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/trump-has-told-more-than-10000
-lies-since-being-inaugurated-washington-post

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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:10 AM

THG


No Deep State oh my...
T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.


DOJ Watchdog Finds No Political Bias In Russia Investigation


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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:27 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh yeah,like the non-collusion with Russia and the non-quid-prop-quo with Ukraine. Yeah, getting away with nothing is some slick trick all right!




You mean you don't know Giuliani is still in Ukraine working on dirt on Biden? You mean you didn't hear Trump ask both Ukraine and China - from the Rose Garden no less - to dig up dirt on his main rival?

I suspect you are lying. Again.


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
An entire post of bullshit with the obligatory personal attack ... I knew I could coiut on you!


Yes, your posts are def full of bullsh*t - you must be utterly bored or out of Troll credits.

I knew we could count on you just like I knew the IG report would prove nothing except Trump's full of sh*t too.

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:29 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Second: Makes a statement.

Also Second: Backs it up with Vox as his source.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
The IG report made a statement: "While we concluded that the investigative activities undertaken by the Crossfire Hurricane team involving CHSs and UCEs complied with applicable Department and FBI policies, we believe that in certain circumstances Department and FBI policies do not provide sufficient oversight and accountability for investigative activities that have the potential to gather sensitive information involving protected First Amendment activity, and therefore include recommendations to address these issues."
www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

Then Donald J. Trump made a statement:
I don’t know what report current Director of the FBI Christopher Wray was reading, but it sure wasn’t the one given to me. With that kind of attitude, he will never be able to fix the FBI, which is badly broken despite having some of the greatest men & women working there!
4:16 AM - 10 Dec 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1204374382715506690

It is clear that either Trump can't read the report or Trump is a looney liar. Maybe Trump is both.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Or the third scenario is that we finally have a president that got Democrats, at least the loudest, most emotional and most easy to manipulate of them, to side with alphabet agencies in 2019 and pretend that they're good guys after decades of (rightfully) rallying against them and their shady, shadowy ways for decades.

It should come as no surprise, really. You guys absolutely LOVE Mueller in 2019. I remember vividly when that wasn't the case either.


I know you think you're the good guys, but you're all lost right now.

I can only hope for all of us that history shows the truth about that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:30 AM

THG


Sig, the deep state you speak of is Trump and Barr. They are very bad people. They are not the professionals I speak about. Your deep state are the ones trying to defame the hardworking people who give their best for the common good.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.


Representative Val Demings Schools AG Barr On Policing Comments


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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:53 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


James Comey: The truth is finally out. The FBI fulfilled its mission

James Comey writes:

For two years, the president of the United States and his followers have loudly declared that the FBI acted unlawfully in conducting a counterintelligence investigation of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential campaign.

They repeatedly told the American people that the FBI had done all sorts of bad things, such as tapping Donald Trump’s wires during the campaign, opening an investigation without adequate cause, with the intent to damage Trump, and inserting secret informants into the Trump campaign.

The president said the FBI’s actions were “treason.” The current attorney general even slimed his own organization by supporting Trump’s claims, asserting there had been “spying” on the campaign. Crimes had been committed, the Trump crowd said, and a whole bunch of former FBI leaders, including me, were likely going to jail.

On Monday, we learned from a report by the Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael Horowitz, that the allegation of a criminal conspiracy was nonsense. There was no illegal wiretapping, there were no informants inserted into the campaign, there was no “spying” on the Trump campaign.

Although it took two years, the truth is finally out.

https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2019/12/09/james-comey-the-truth-is-f
inally-out-the-fbi-fulfilled-its-mission/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:05 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I can only hope for all of us that history shows the truth about that.


Why wait, here's some truth about that:


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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:17 AM

THG


Your list isn't a list of opinions G based on a conspiracy theory. It is a list of facts. Something the trolls, never post.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I can only hope for all of us that history shows the truth about that.


Why wait, here's some truth about that:




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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:19 AM

THG


T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

AG Barr Is Trying To Muddy Up The Waters again


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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:35 AM

THG


T

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IG Report Proved Devastating To Trump's Lies


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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:55 AM

THG


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hold on to your butts.


@ShannonBream


BREAKING: DOJ IG Horowitz sends letter to Congressional leaders. Says report is going through declassification ("nearing completion"), is lengthy, and he anticipates few redactions. Doesn't foresee "a need to prepare and issue separate classified and public versions."

6:36 PM · Oct 24, 2019


T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.


Sen. Schumer on Justice Department IG Report


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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 12:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
T

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IG Report Proved Devastating To Trump's Lies



According to Mika "It's our job to tell you what to think" Brazinski.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 10, 2019 12:19 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


What's clear about the IG report is that it changes absolutely nothing.

It's another 400 page document of obtuse legalese that 90% of American's aren't even going to read more than a page of, and news outlets with differing biases are going to cut little things out of it to make headlines for their respective viewership.


The barometer didn't move. Not even a micrometer.


You don't need to wait until November of next year to know that I'm right about that one. Just look at the RCP aggregate polls a week from now and watch as absolutely nothing changes.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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