What's with the Christmas car commercials? by 1KIKI

lol

One of those cars cost more than all 7 cars I've owned in my life, and 60 to 90% of what I paid for my house.

And that's before you include all the interest.

Almost as dumb as a big dumb wedding.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, December 25, 2019 7:37 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

A lot of married people have "his" and "her" accounts, "his" and "her" credit cards and "his" and "her" expenses.

I knew a few couples like that: He paid the rent while she paid the utilities, or she paid the mortgage while he paid for the kids' educations. They had "his", "her" and "our" accounts and - btw- all of those marriages failed in the time that I knew them.

But, yeah ... if someone paid for a gift car without consulting me, even out of "their" own money, I think I'd make them take it back PDQ (hopefully it's within the 3-day cooling off period) and have a long, serious discussion about financial reliability, because putting a big red bow on a giant mistake doesn't make it better!

BTW- car sales have been very poor over the past 5 years despite the car companies making loans to ppl with unverified incomes. Must be why the commercials.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Wednesday, December 25, 2019 7:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I especially like the one with a couple who appear to be in their mid-30s or early 40’s, at most, & live in this ultra modern house walk out and there are two brand new cars and, the girl chooses the truck, which of course was the guys, as she says she loves the color. That has to be over 100 grand in brand new cars sitting in the driveway.

Surprise!

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Wednesday, December 25, 2019 9:13 AM

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Incredible that in 2020 so many people still don't get advertising. It does appear that at least on this board... it's the same people who slurp their lord Trump, so... I guess it does make sense.

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Wednesday, December 25, 2019 1:13 PM

What's not to get about advertising?

Especially with the big ticket items like this, it's all about trying to make you feel like you're not good enough or you should have something to be ashamed of if you don't have the newest car on the market with all the bells and whistles. It gets even worse if you have kids because they make you feel like you're a bad parent if you don't buy the one that gets five star ratings for safety.

Almost everybody falls for this mentality at some point in their life.

I used to own a couple of pairs of jeans in high school that were $150 in 90's cash. Once I had my first good job when I was 19-20, I had a closet full of DKNY stuff.

Today I have 15 pairs of jeans in various states of wear that all looked brand new when I bought them and cost me less than one pair of those Hilfiger's that I had in High School.

At the end of the day, it's on an individual to decide if they want to be a slave to credit card interest for the rest of their lives or not. Some people really don't have a choice, but even in the economy of the last 20 years most people still do.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, December 25, 2019 2:03 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What's not to get about advertising?

Exactly. It's designed to make people "want" shit they don't need and probably can't afford. It confuses "wants" with "needs" so people will buy shit on the insinuation that this shit will buy them a "lifestyle" and that this "lifestyle" will make them "happy". Its core message is that individual happiness is an entitled state (burying the fact that life inevitably involves pain, fear, frustration, anger, failure, and self-doubt) and can be achieved by being a "consumer" instead of being a producer, a problem-solver, a family-member, and social/ spiritual being.

Best explanation I ever saw of the origins (all the way back to Freud's nephew Bernays,who was a sociopath if there ever was one) and methods of advertising was the Century of Self.

I know I posted this a couple of times already. You might want to watch it.

Merry Christmas! Go buy that car for your loved one!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Wednesday, December 25, 2019 3:22 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Incredible that in 2020 so many people still don't get advertising. It does appear that at least on this board... it's the same people who slurp their lord Trump, so... I guess it does make sense.

Oh, I completely get advertising! I just don't understand how stupid the advertisers think people are. Those commercials have got to be among the dumbest, most insulting around. So who exactly is the target audience that will give the spiel any credit?

BTW, if car sales improve, I guarantee it's not 'because' of those Christmas ads. It's either because of the sales / rebates / deals that are being offered, or because the pattern lately is to put off buying big ticket necessities until Christmas, and make a necessity purchase a virtue, (we needed a washing machine BUT HEY Merry Christmas!), or both.

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Wednesday, December 25, 2019 5:19 PM

... stay crunchy...

Like I said, you 3 have no clue. You suffer from thinking you're smart about things you have zero real world experience with. That's a hallmark of ignorance, which is a hallmark of every Trump lover - so congrats on that!

These ads are not targeted at Jack or Kookie - Jack couldn't even afford one of the tires and Kookie is stingy and joyless and probably wouldn't pay more than $5k for any vehicle, so they don't give a shit about you 2 - you don't even exist to them. You interpreting ads like you are offended or have figured out advertising, ads that are designed for other people, is a real treat.
SIGGY and SIGHUB could probably buy a couple of these cars. She's always bragging about paying for help around the house (who does that other than really rich people?). They are probably a lot like these rich fuks in the ads. But she has to try and play the common man (badly) for the forum cred - so as usual you can't trust her comments. Transparent she is.

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 1:58 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Like I said, you 3 have no clue. You suffer from thinking you're smart about things you have zero real world experience with. That's a hallmark of ignorance, which is a hallmark of every Trump lover - so congrats on that!

These ads are not targeted at Jack or Kookie - Jack couldn't even afford one of the tires and Kookie is stingy and joyless and probably wouldn't pay more than $5k for any vehicle, so they don't give a shit about you 2 - you don't even exist to them. You interpreting ads like you are offended or have figured out advertising, ads that are designed for other people, is a real treat.
SIGGY and SIGHUB could probably buy a couple of these cars. She's always bragging about paying for help around the house (who does that other than really rich people?). They are probably a lot like these rich fuks in the ads. But she has to try and play the common man (badly) for the forum cred - so as usual you can't trust her comments. Transparent she is.

so, are you saying that these ads are only targeting really rich folks? Like ... top 5%? 2%? 1%?

Why run a mass media campaign to target a portion of the population that probably doesn't watch those shows anyway? Wouldn't they be better off placing their ads in more selective media?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 2:00 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So, who IS that target audience that's supposed to think nothing of blowing a SURPRISE!!! 40-60k hole in the family budget?

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:36 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Like I said, you 3 have no clue. You suffer from thinking you're smart about things you have zero real world experience with. That's a hallmark of ignorance, which is a hallmark of every Trump lover - so congrats on that!

These ads are not targeted at Jack or Kookie - Jack couldn't even afford one of the tires and Kookie is stingy and joyless and probably wouldn't pay more than $5k for any vehicle, so they don't give a shit about you 2 - you don't even exist to them. You interpreting ads like you are offended or have figured out advertising, ads that are designed for other people, is a real treat.
SIGGY and SIGHUB could probably buy a couple of these cars. She's always bragging about paying for help around the house (who does that other than really rich people?). They are probably a lot like these rich fuks in the ads. But she has to try and play the common man (badly) for the forum cred - so as usual you can't trust her comments. Transparent she is.

Everything you say here is null and void because of credit. It's the life blood of the auto industry.

https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/articles/shop-smart-know-the-true-cost-
of-financing/

In the case of the guy who paid $4,000 interest on a four year loan on a car that was $27,000, he also lost $5,000 the second he drove that car off the lot. That's $9,000 up in smoke immediately after purchase.

That's a stupid person. And that's most Americans.

There is a reason I've maintained and even grown my credit score to over 820 despite the fact that I haven't even made $100k in the last 10 years.

They certainly aren't advertising to people like me, but it's because I'm not a stupid impulse buyer, and because I see maybe a dozen advertisements in an entire year.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Like I said, you 3 have no clue. You suffer from thinking you're smart about things you have zero real world experience with. That's a hallmark of ignorance, which is a hallmark of every Trump lover - so congrats on that!

These ads are not targeted at Jack or Kookie - Jack couldn't even afford one of the tires and Kookie is stingy and joyless and probably wouldn't pay more than $5k for any vehicle, so they don't give a shit about you 2 - you don't even exist to them. You interpreting ads like you are offended or have figured out advertising, ads that are designed for other people, is a real treat.
SIGGY and SIGHUB could probably buy a couple of these cars. She's always bragging about paying for help around the house (who does that other than really rich people?). They are probably a lot like these rich fuks in the ads. But she has to try and play the common man (badly) for the forum cred - so as usual you can't trust her comments. Transparent she is.

Everything you say here is null and void because of credit. It's the life blood of the auto industry.

https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/articles/shop-smart-know-the-true-cost-
of-financing/

In the case of the guy who paid $4,000 interest on a four year loan on a car that was $27,000, he also lost $5,000 the second he drove that car off the lot. That's $9,000 up in smoke immediately after purchase.

That's a stupid person. And that's most Americans.

There is a reason I've maintained and even grown my credit score to over 820 despite the fact that I haven't even made $100k in the last 10 years.

They certainly aren't advertising to people like me, but it's because I'm not a stupid impulse buyer, and because I see maybe a dozen advertisements in an entire year.

Yet another perfect example of your ignorance. When I said they don't care about you I mean they really don't care about you. You can try and make your financial situation sound as sunny and thoughtful as you want - and they still won't give a sh*t how smart you think YOU are. You even agreed: "They certainly aren't advertising to people like me" and it's not because you aren't an impulse buyer. Even if you were an impulse buyer you don't have the financial means.

Speaking of stupid - how about the stupid sh*t you post: "That's a stupid person. And that's most Americans." If you can buy a $120k Porsche - actually afford it - I say go for it. It's not for you? No sh*t - I think we all get that by now.

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 10:18 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So, who IS that target audience that's supposed to think nothing of blowing a SURPRISE!!! 40-60k hole in the family budget?

Kiki thinks when people buy cars they have to pay for the whole thing up front.

Morons.

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Like I said, you 3 have no clue. You suffer from thinking you're smart about things you have zero real world experience with. That's a hallmark of ignorance, which is a hallmark of every Trump lover - so congrats on that!

These ads are not targeted at Jack or Kookie - Jack couldn't even afford one of the tires and Kookie is stingy and joyless and probably wouldn't pay more than $5k for any vehicle, so they don't give a shit about you 2 - you don't even exist to them. You interpreting ads like you are offended or have figured out advertising, ads that are designed for other people, is a real treat.
SIGGY and SIGHUB could probably buy a couple of these cars. She's always bragging about paying for help around the house (who does that other than really rich people?). They are probably a lot like these rich fuks in the ads. But she has to try and play the common man (badly) for the forum cred - so as usual you can't trust her comments. Transparent she is.

Everything you say here is null and void because of credit. It's the life blood of the auto industry.

https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/articles/shop-smart-know-the-true-cost-
of-financing/

In the case of the guy who paid $4,000 interest on a four year loan on a car that was $27,000, he also lost $5,000 the second he drove that car off the lot. That's $9,000 up in smoke immediately after purchase.

That's a stupid person. And that's most Americans.

There is a reason I've maintained and even grown my credit score to over 820 despite the fact that I haven't even made $100k in the last 10 years.

They certainly aren't advertising to people like me, but it's because I'm not a stupid impulse buyer, and because I see maybe a dozen advertisements in an entire year.

Yet another perfect example of your ignorance. When I said they don't care about you I mean they really don't care about you. You can try and make your financial situation sound as sunny and thoughtful as you want - and they still won't give a sh*t how smart you think YOU are. You even agreed: "They certainly aren't advertising to people like me" and it's not because you aren't an impulse buyer. Even if you were an impulse buyer you don't have the financial means.

Speaking of stupid - how about the stupid sh*t you post: "That's a stupid person. And that's most Americans." If you can buy a $120k Porsche - actually afford it - I say go for it. It's not for you? No sh*t - I think we all get that by now.

I do have the financial means. I could buy a $100,000 car on my credit cards today if I wanted to. It would end up costing me about $350,000 after interest though, assuming I ever was actually able to pay it off.

But when it comes to your average car, all I would need to do to get a legit loan and buy a new one is get a $30,000/year job. I have no mortgage or any other regular bills outside of basic utilities and an almost non-existant property tax bill. But I'd still never buy a new car.

Stupid people buy new cars.

Stupid people are manipulated by ads on TV.

And there must be a lot of stupid people, or there wouldn't be so much money dumped into advertising.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I do have the financial means. I could buy a $100,000 car on my credit cards today if I wanted to. It would end up costing me about $350,000 after interest though, assuming I ever was actually able to pay it off.

Sorry, that is really, really stupid to suggest that as a possibility. You're flailing about again, desperate to not understand simple logic. It's really your super power - mighty is your determination to not listen.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
But when it comes to your average car, all I would need to do to get a legit loan and buy a new one is get a $30,000/year job.

"All I have to do is win the lottery... rob a bank..." Right - so, again, not you.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I have no mortgage or any other regular bills outside of basic utilities and an almost non-existant property tax bill. But I'd still never buy a new car.

Because you can't afford one - again, not you.

"Stupid people buy new cars." - Jack
Depends on the car, depends on how long they drive it, depends on their financials. Stupid for you isn't isn't stupid for everyone - sorry, you're getting dangerously close to PIGGY wanting to tell everyone else how to live. That's deeply unAmerican.

"Stupid people are manipulated by ads on TV." - Jack
I'll give you that one. You guys aren't even the target of the ads and you're talking about them! Must be working! Spread the word - next time let us know what the make and models are.

"And there must be a lot of stupid people, or there wouldn't be so much money dumped into advertising." - Yep, that's why Trump dumps so much money into Facebook and tv ads!

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:45 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So, who IS that target audience that's supposed to think nothing of blowing a SURPRISE!!! 40-60k hole in the family budget?

Kiki thinks when people buy cars they have to pay for the whole thing up front. Morons.

Well, counting interest that becomes (roughly) a 60-74K hole in the family budget. (average interest is 4+% over five years)

You think people SHOULD pay attention to these ads? You might want to talk to SECOND, he believes that Americans are innumerate. Are you trying to prove him right? You seem to WANT people to engage in finacial irresponsibility.

What are you, in the ad business or something?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:48 PM

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CC: Like I said, you 3 have no clue. You suffer from thinking you're smart about things you have zero real world experience with. That's a hallmark of ignorance, which is a hallmark of every Trump lover - so congrats on that!

These ads are not targeted at Jack or Kookie - Jack couldn't even afford one of the tires and Kookie is stingy and joyless and probably wouldn't pay more than $5k for any vehicle, so they don't give a shit about you 2 - you don't even exist to them. You interpreting ads like you are offended or have figured out advertising, ads that are designed for other people, is a real treat.
SIGGY and SIGHUB could probably buy a couple of these cars. She's always bragging about paying for help around the house (who does that other than really rich people?). They are probably a lot like these rich fuks in the ads. But she has to try and play the common man (badly) for the forum cred - so as usual you can't trust her comments. Transparent she is.

SIGNY: so, are you saying that these ads are only targeting really rich folks? Like ... top 5%? 2%? 1%?
Why run a mass media campaign to target a portion of the population that probably doesn't watch those shows anyway? Wouldn't they be better off placing their ads in more selective media?

Any answers to these questions?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 1:03 PM

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speaking of being taken in by ads ...

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Celebration, Florida: How Disney’s ‘Community of Tomorrow’ Became a Total Nightmare

https://www.thedailybeast.com/celebration-florida-how-disneys-communit
y-of-tomorrow-became-a-total-nightmare?utm_source=pocket-newtab

But not having learned anything from experience, Google seeks to repeat the experiment, and people will surely become the next lab rats

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In 2018, Dan Doctoroff, the C.E.O. of Sidewalk Labs, Google’s sibling company under Alphabet, answered a question about what his company “actually does” during a Reddit “Ask Me Anything” session, replying, “The short answer is: We want to build the first truly 21st-century city.” Quayside, a Toronto neighborhood the company is developing in partnership with a Canadian tri-government agency, is the first step toward Doctoroff’s goal.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-case-for-making-cities-out-of-w
ood?utm_source=pocket-newtab

These just happened to pop up together in those "trending" articles, which I thought was kind of ironic.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:37 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Tuesday, December 24, 2019 5:43 PM

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

They've been doing them for a long time, but this year it seems excessive.

And I can't help but wonder who they're aimed at ...

Who, in the real world, would be receptive to the idea of committing 40-60K of the family's finances on a new car (or two! in some commercials) without at least discussing that kind of purchase with their significant other?

LOOK honey! I got us into hock for years! Without even asking if you'd be OK with it!

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!

Quote:
Kiki thinks when people buy cars they have to pay for the whole thing up front. Morons.

Is it that you CAN'T read? You CAN'T think? Or you CAN'T ever be honest?

IDIOT TROLL.

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 6:13 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Like I said, you 3 have no clue. You suffer from thinking you're smart about things you have zero real world experience with. That's a hallmark of ignorance, which is a hallmark of every Trump lover - so congrats on that!

These ads are not targeted at Jack or Kookie - Jack couldn't even afford one of the tires and Kookie is stingy and joyless and probably wouldn't pay more than $5k for any vehicle, so they don't give a shit about you 2 - you don't even exist to them. You interpreting ads like you are offended or have figured out advertising, ads that are designed for other people, is a real treat.
SIGGY and SIGHUB could probably buy a couple of these cars. She's always bragging about paying for help around the house (who does that other than really rich people?). They are probably a lot like these rich fuks in the ads. But she has to try and play the common man (badly) for the forum cred - so as usual you can't trust her comments. Transparent she is.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So, who IS that target audience that's supposed to think nothing of blowing a SURPRISE!!! 40-60k hole in the family budget?

So, idiot troll, you've done everything but answer the question. Who IS the target audience?

This is for the Toyota 4Runner alone (not counting all the other pickup and SUV models Toyota sells). Toyota sold almost 140,000 4Runners in the US in 2018 at around $40k msrp. Do you think the ad is for the top 1% in the US, or do you think Toyota is counting on mass-market sales?

These commercials are for GMC pickups, with an msrp of somewhat over $50k. In 2018 GMC sold over 150K Sierras alone (not counting other pickup truck models). If GMC is counting on selling at least that many per year, are their ads targeted to the top 1% in the US?.

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 7:08 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

C'mon Mr big-shot expert. Explain to us all who that target audience is that's supposed to think nothing of a $40-60k SURPRISE!!! Merry Christmas! budget hole.

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Friday, December 27, 2019 3:10 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

From his defense of consumerism, his advocacy of social media, the knowledge that he works from home, and his pretense that he knows something of media and advertising, my guess is he's in the advert business. Maybe web design.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Friday, December 27, 2019 8:55 AM

Whatever the job is, it's got a low bar for intelligence.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, December 27, 2019 9:10 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Whatever the job is, it's got a low bar for intelligence.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Signym, 1kiki, & 6ix, do you think a worried husband and wife discussing their money problems on a car commercial will sell cars? Buy the car and worry about how to pay later, much later. The dealer will help you pay because they are so very nice! Car dealers make money by financing the cars they sell. Dealers can easily make a profit of $3,000 just through the financing alone. If you have a trade-in, a dealer can make another $2,000 (easy) on that. They simply low-ball your trade-in, then turn around and sell it for a nice profit. Commercials are fantasy, NOT about money, because if you stop thinking fantasy and start thinking money, you won't buy.
www.realcartips.com/newcars/135-how-car-dealers-really-make-money.shtm
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, December 27, 2019 9:30 AM

... stay crunchy...

Watching those 3 squirm and bellow has been an unexpected Xmas gift - thanks, y'all!

Actually, totally expected.

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Friday, December 27, 2019 9:31 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
C'mon Mr big-shot expert. Explain to us all who that target audience is that's supposed to think nothing of a $40-60k SURPRISE!!! Merry Christmas! budget hole.

Have a joyless holiday season, Scrooge!

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Friday, December 27, 2019 9:31 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Whatever the job is, it's got a low bar for intelligence.

Yep, that must be it!

BTW - couldn't help but notice that you didn't have a snappy come back for when you said stupid people are fooled by advertising and I pointed out that that's why Trump spends so much on advertising... interesting.

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Friday, December 27, 2019 9:33 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
From his defense of consumerism, his advocacy of social media, the knowledge that he works from home, and his pretense that he knows something of media and advertising, my guess is he's in the advert business. Maybe web design.

Look out! Genius on deck! Maybe it's because I actually said I worked (past tense) in advertising that you guessed "advertising?"

A regular Kreskin over here!

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Friday, December 27, 2019 11:46 AM

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SIX: Whatever the job is, it's got a low bar for intelligence.

SLOPPYSECONDS: Signym, 1kiki, & 6ix, do you think a worried husband and wife discussing their money problems on a car commercial will sell cars?

Jezus Christus, OF COURSE it doesn't! That's why advertising (as practiced today) is a con.

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SIX: What's not to get about advertising?

SIGNY: Exactly. It's designed to make people "want" shit they don't need and probably can't afford.

It's a mind-screw, lies designed to part people from their money!

SLOPPY: you spit venom every time you think about Republicans "fooling" people with lies, and then you get pissed off when people get fooled. Well here we are, pointing to the same thing happening with Xmas ads (and advertising in general) and you defend the practice? Yanno, if you remove that giant snake from your brain your ethics and mentation might be less icky.

Watching you lie to yourself endlessly is just eeewwww.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Friday, December 27, 2019 11:59 AM

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CC: Yep, that must be it!

BTW - couldn't help but notice that you didn't have a snappy come back for when you said stupid people are fooled by advertising and I pointed out that that's why Trump spends so much on advertising

And St Hillary spent so much more.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Friday, December 27, 2019 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Watching those 3 squirm and bellow has been an unexpected Xmas gift

Well none of us are "squirming" and "bellowing". But let's see ... after you pretending to "know" about advertising and telling us we just don't "get it" you totally evaded the question of WHO the target audience is for these ads... probably more than a half-dozen times by now, and tried to distract with personal insults. If THAT isn't a major case of "squrim" I don't know what is.

And then you mischaracterize us as "squirming", another totally dishonest post.

But hey! You worked in advertising! That's what probably accounts for your reflexive dishonesty! It's a great fit!

Yanno, GSTRING, not only are we aware of the dishonest nature of advertisting, we're pretty aware of your dishonest nature, too.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Friday, December 27, 2019 2:18 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Well, here's my guess for target audience and why those commercials ... for Christmas, no less.

Despite no-check easy-credit fraudulent loans, mass-market new-car sales are flagging. Hmmmm ... what's a good excuse to run some more specials, sales, promos, and pump some life into sales ... well Christmas is around the corner! And trucks and SUVs seem to be popular, plus we bet our assembly lines on them, so let's do trucks and SUVs! For Christmas!

So that's the why, when, and what.

And older people ... despite generally being the demographic where more have available money, aren't easily swayed by commercials. So, let's target the young and dumb! Like we always do! And by god, they've been so propagandized by 'smart' phones and 'social' media into thinking that a great life is a sequence of perfect consumerist selfie-capable moments, let's create a story of how they want to think of themselves and their 'lifestyle': (white), young, hip, rich, and attached - in a series of perfect selfie-capable moments with a SURPRISE!!! Merry Christmas budget blower truck-purchase! in NOWHERE USA because it doesn't exist!

That's the who, how, and where.

It's really that simple.

Our self-proclaimed 'expert' just couldn't admit it.

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Friday, December 27, 2019 2:36 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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... and Kookie is stingy and joyless and probably wouldn't pay more than $5k for any vehicle, so they don't give a shit about you ...

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Have a joyless holiday season, Scrooge!

BTW MUSHY - if you know this much about me, then you know I'm not a 'Russian Troll™'. And if you don't know this much about me, why are you posting it?

AND FINALLY - your use of English is extremely crude and transparent. You might as well be posting 'your mother swims after troop ships' and other laughable absurdities. If you ever were in advertising, you weren't very good. And given everything else about your posts, it looks like your mind is slipping. I imagine that pretty soon, you'll be reduced to 1-syllable words in 3-word sentences. See Jane run. See Spot run. See Mush run. Run Mush, run!

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Friday, December 27, 2019 4:02 PM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Watching those 3 squirm and bellow has been an unexpected Xmas gift
Well none of us are "squirming" and "bellowing". But let's see ... after you pretending to "know" about advertising and telling us we just don't "get it" you totally evaded the question of WHO the target audience is for these ads... probably more than a half-dozen times by now, and tried to distract with personal insults. If THAT isn't a major case of "squrim" I don't know what is.

And then you mischaracterize us as "squirming", another totally dishonest post.

But hey! You worked in advertising! That's what probably accounts for your reflexive dishonesty! It's a great fit!

Yanno, GSTRING, not only are we aware of the dishonest nature of advertisting, we're pretty aware of your dishonest nature, too.

Funny enough, you remind me of the majority of Advertising: over promise and under deliver.

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Friday, December 27, 2019 4:10 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

ANNNNNnnnnd.

A complete strawman!

Swing and a BIG miss!

Strike one.

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Friday, December 27, 2019 4:12 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Anyway - now that I solved the mystery of who, what, when, where, why, and how ... the mystery that our AHEM! expert couldn't even bear to address let alone answer ... I'm done.

Have fun lying to yourself, MUSHY.

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Friday, December 27, 2019 5:24 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, here's my guess for target audience and why those commercials ... for Christmas, no less.

Despite no-check easy-credit fraudulent loans, mass-market new-car sales are flagging. Hmmmm ... what's a good excuse to run some more specials, sales, promos, and pump some life into sales ... well Christmas is around the corner! And trucks and SUVs seem to be popular, plus we bet our assembly lines on them, so let's do trucks and SUVs! For Christmas!

So that's the why, when, and what.

And older people ... despite generally being the demographic where more have available money, aren't easily swayed by commercials. So, let's target the young and dumb! Like we always do! And by god, they've been so propagandized by 'smart' phones and 'social' media into thinking that a great life is a sequence of perfect consumerist selfie moments, let's create a story of how they want to think of themselves and their 'lifestyle': (white), young, hip, rich, and attached - in a series of perfect selfie-capable moments with a SURPRISE!!! Merry Christmas budget blower truck-purchase! in NOWHERE USA because it doesn't exist!

That's the who, how, and where.

It's really that simple.

Our self-proclaimed 'expert' just couldn't admit it.

You made it too complicated by looking at the microlevel of the individual being swayed by advertisement. Look at the entire economy. Monthly vehicle sales are doing what they always do, like the EKG for a heart that irregularly beats 4 to 6 times per year. Take note that during recessions the heart does not beat strongly, but ads can't cancel out a recession.
If you go to https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=pNjK you will see that January is the slowest sales month of any year.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, December 27, 2019 5:34 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Yep, they have to keep flogging new car sales with more and more specials deals, ever more enticing loans with lower and lower lending standards while people rack up more an more debt ... to make December a peak sales month and flog those old model years off the floor. That's how it's done!

https://www.finder.com/car-loan-statistics
Car loan statistics 2019 | Americans owe $1.1 trillion in auto debt

https://www.statista.com/statistics/290673/auto-loan-rates-usa/

https://www.drivetime.com/
99.9% Car Loan Approvals - Online Down Payment, Apply Now

https://carsforyourhelp.com/zero-down-car-dealership/

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Friday, December 27, 2019 5:40 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Tuesday, December 24, 2019 5:43 PM

They've been doing them for a long time, but this year it seems excessive.

And I can't help but wonder who they're aimed at ...

Who, in the real world, would be receptive to the idea of committing 40-60K of the family's finances on a new car (or two! in some commercials) without at least discussing that kind of purchase with their significant other?

LOOK honey! I got us into hock for years! Without even asking if you'd be OK with it!

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!

Yes, Merry FREAKING Christmas!

Dear.

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 8:53 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yep, they have to keep flogging new car sales with more and more specials deals, ever more enticing loans with lower and lower lending standards while people rack up more an more debt ... to make December a peak sales month and flog those old model years off the floor. That's how it's done!

You mentioned ads, specials, loans, but there is another technique to get buyers: clear coat paint job to make the cars SHINY! as Kaylee would say. Shiny sells cars as much as ads do. You wax the car to keep it shiny! but eventually the finish dulls and it is time to buy a SHINY! new car, as the manufacturers intended you do, even though the surface finish is the least important thing about the car, especially compared to, for examples, its crash test rating, reliability and repair cost, none of which do most car companies mention in their ads.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 9:37 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Whatever the job is, it's got a low bar for intelligence.

Yep, that must be it!

BTW - couldn't help but notice that you didn't have a snappy come back for when you said stupid people are fooled by advertising and I pointed out that that's why Trump spends so much on advertising... interesting.

I didn't feel I needed to.

I never made any distinction between partisans on either side when I said that stupid people fall for advertising. A politician is a product just as much as Tide detergent (which is obscenely priced compared to the no-ad competitors that do the job just as well) or an insanely priced new car (which is the worst investment that most Americans make).

So... here's my witty comeback.

You're fucked. Trump wins big time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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... and Kookie is stingy and joyless and probably wouldn't pay more than $5k for any vehicle, so they don't give a shit about you ...
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Have a joyless holiday season, Scrooge!
BTW MUSHY - if you know this much about me, then you know I'm not a 'Russian Troll™'. And if you don't know this much about me, why are you posting it?

AND FINALLY - your use of English is extremely crude and transparent. You might as well be posting 'your mother swims after troop ships' and other laughable absurdities. If you ever were in advertising, you weren't very good. And given everything else about your posts, it looks like your mind is slipping. I imagine that pretty soon, you'll be reduced to 1-syllable words in 3-word sentences. See Jane run. See Spot run. See Mush run. Run Mush, run!

Even Better: WTF?

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
C'mon Mr big-shot expert. Explain to us all who that target audience is that's supposed to think nothing of a $40-60k SURPRISE!!! Merry Christmas! budget hole.

People who want a new car and think nothing of paying $40-60k for it.

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 10:26 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

So... here's my witty comeback.

You're fucked. Trump wins big time.

Your vote for Trump makes me the big winner. I'm not voting for him because he is an old fool, but he does know what is good in the tax code for people like me.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 10:27 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I didn't feel I needed to.

Jack's I don't care defense. "Nothing matters and nothing can touch me and I can never be wrong if I just say I don't care."

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 11:39 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

CAPTAIN MUSH: Why don't you just stop squirming, accept the fact that you look like an asshole AND an idiot, and move on?

WE certainly have!

And I, personally, don't intend to spend another moment arguing this with liars, assholes, and trolls.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 5:27 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I didn't feel I needed to.

Jack's I don't care defense. "Nothing matters and nothing can touch me and I can never be wrong if I just say I don't care."

I followed up that sentence with a paragraph or more. You should probably read it, moron.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 7:04 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yep, they have to keep flogging new car sales with more and more specials deals, ever more enticing loans with lower and lower lending standards while people rack up more an more debt ... to make December a peak sales month and flog those old model years off the floor. That's how it's done!

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You mentioned ads, specials, loans, but there is another technique to get buyers: ...

Those lower lending standards you failed to mention, sliding into outright fraud.

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/auto-lenders-have-verified-
income-just-7-all-loans-2017

Auto Lenders Have Verified Income On Just 7% Of All Loans Since 2017

It's no longer good enough for customers to be buying cars with debt only. Now, while the auto industry struggles to pull itself out of the recession it is mired in, some dealerships around the country are "dressing up" loan applications with fake incomes, according to consumer lawyers. Additionally, some large lenders have cut back on safeguards that could catch the fraudulent applications.

The amount of false applications is "hard to quantify" according to PointPredictive, which sells software to detect loan fraud. The company estimates that more than 20% of loans have inflated incomes.

Of course, dealers have the option to ask for documentation to prove income, but over the past few years some subprime lenders have stopped checking them - partly in response to dealers demanding faster decisions. In fact, lenders verified income on only about 7% of all loans since 2017, the Journal found.

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