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Spanish Flu 1918 - in case you were wondering

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Wednesday, April 15, 2020 3:27 PM

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"Photo from California during the Spanish Flu outbreak. Between 1918-1919, that influenza virus was attributed to more than 50 million deaths around the world and 675,000 in the United States alone."

Fuuuuuuck - we have it easy.

"The U.S. population in 1918 was about 1/3 of today's 330M. Though we don't share the hat fetish of our early 20th Century predecessors, we will likely find ourselves wearing very similar masks everywhere for the foreseeable future."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

"The Spanish flu, also known as the 1918 flu pandemic, was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic. Lasting from January 1918 to December 1920, it infected 500 million people – about a quarter of the world's population at the time. The death toll is estimated to have been anywhere from 17 million to 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the deadliest pandemics in human history.

To maintain morale, World War I censors minimized early reports of illness and mortality in Germany, the United Kingdom, France, and the United States. Newspapers were free to report the epidemic's effects in neutral Spain, such as the grave illness of King Alfonso XIII, and these stories created a false impression of Spain as especially hard hit. This gave rise to the name Spanish flu. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify with certainty the pandemic's geographic origin, with varying views as to its location.

Most influenza outbreaks disproportionately kill the very young and the very old, with a higher survival rate for those in between, but the Spanish flu pandemic resulted in a higher than expected mortality rate for young adults. Scientists offer several possible explanations for the high mortality rate of the 1918 influenza pandemic. Some analyses have shown the virus to be particularly deadly because it triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults. In contrast, a 2007 analysis of medical journals from the period of the pandemic found that the viral infection was no more aggressive than previous influenza strains. Instead, malnourishment, overcrowded medical camps and hospitals, and poor hygiene promoted bacterial superinfection. This superinfection killed most of the victims, typically after a somewhat prolonged death bed.

The Spanish flu was the first of two pandemics caused by the H1N1 influenza virus; the second was the swine flu in 2009."

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Wednesday, April 15, 2020 6:54 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

If The Coomph didn't make The Coomph look like the common cold, the Spanish Flu certainly does.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, April 15, 2020 8:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So, the Spanish Flu had a case fatality rate of about 1.75% and lasted 2 years. That makes it less deadly than COVID-19 per case, and it took 2 years to go around the globe twice to infect about a quarter of people. Given that we're only into 2.5 months of significant global spread, and we don't have the movement of hundreds of thousands of troops to hurry it along, I can see if SARS-COV-2 were to have unfettered global spread, it would be much worse.

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Wednesday, April 15, 2020 8:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Where's Reaverfan been. He should be thrilled about all of this. He loves wearing masks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, April 18, 2020 12:16 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So, to carry along with the whole Spanish Flu comparison ...

Way back when, when Spanish Flu was going around, nobody went to the hospital unless they were deeply ill. So only those hospital cases were counted. And obviously nobody had any kind of confirming laboratory tests to figure out if it was really the Spanish Flu that brought the person to the hospital, or something else. And when the cause of death was certified, nobody had any kind of confirming laboratory tests to figure out if death really came from the Spanish Flu or something else. And - again very obviously - nobody had any kind of laboratory tests to check for people who were asymptomatically infected with Spanish Flu.

Doctors saw people with pneumonia, and treated them for Spanish Flu. Doctors saw people die of pneumonia and listed Spanish Flu on the death certificates. Nobody was saying that doctors were just making things up. Nobody was claiming it wasn't so bad because there were plenty of people going around who might have had it.

And calculating the case fatality rate was a very low-technology task based on clinical diagnosis of signs and symptoms, and death certificates based on a doctor's impressions, and sometimes autopsy.

If we were to accurately compare Spanish Flu to COVID-19, we'd base it on exactly the same criteria as used over 100 years ago. Are you sick enough to be in the hospital? Does it look like a really bad flu? Did you die in the middle of having a bad flu? Then it was Spanish Flu ... or is COVID-19.

Any other comparisons ... it wasn't confirmed with a test!! ... a lot of people maybe didn't die from it!! ... aren't comparing apples to apples.

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Saturday, April 18, 2020 2:21 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Seems to me like things haven't changed much in 100 years.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, April 18, 2020 2:32 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The Spanish Flu was all made up by doctors. Deaths from the Spanish flu were all fabricated by doctors.

lol

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Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Yup. Cause that's what I meant, Karen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:14 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Let's title this post JACK's HYPOCRISY ON PARADE!

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kiki - If we were to accurately compare Spanish Flu to COVID-19, we'd base it on exactly the same criteria as used over 100 years ago. Are you sick enough to be in the hospital? Does it look like a really bad flu? Did you die in the middle of having a bad flu? Then it was Spanish Flu ... or is COVID-19.
Any other comparisons ... it wasn't confirmed with a test!! ... a lot of people maybe didn't die from it!! ... aren't comparing apples to apples.

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Jack:
Meanwhile, in reality...
Fatality rate will be much, much lower than is ever reported because we will never have any idea how many hundreds of millions or even billions of people had it and never got tested.

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JACK:
I see New York is padding the death numbers by admitting to just adding 2,000+ deaths, because we're New York and we do whatever we want to do.
In other words...
"We're not even going to pretend we're not lying about any of this anymore."

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Seems to me like things haven't changed much in 100 years.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
The Spanish Flu was all made up by doctors. Deaths from the Spanish flu were all fabricated by doctors.
lol

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Originally posted by JACK:
Yup. Cause that's what I meant, Karen.

Yup. It's exactly what you meant.

But nobody could possibly seriously post the Spanish Flu was all made up ... or that this one is too ... and expect to look credible. Right?

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Saturday, April 18, 2020 11:31 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

No. It's not.

You're such a Karen, Becky.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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