Oh Please, Please, Please, Please, PLEASE DO IT!!! by 6IXSTRINGJACK

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https://www.fox9.com/news/nine-member-majority-of-minneapolis-city-cou
ncil-announce-support-for-dismantling-mpd

Let's watch the extreme leftists in Minneapolis become the bright shining example of why no sane and rational person should ever vote for part of the Legacy Media's propped up lunatic fringe.

We'll de-fund the police and replace them with hall monitors and watch the looters turn into a 24/7 thing in perpetuity.

Then we'll beg the County Police to do something and they'll just sit back and laugh at us.

Classic Socialists.

Who wants to bet that WalMart is going to abandon all of their Minneapolis stores after this happens, instead of just half of them like they are in the aftermath of Lightfoot supervised Chicago devastation?

May be the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Granted, the details are way out their in some happy cloud of dreams and what-ifs and unicorns, but even just the idea is real idiocy. I lived in MPLS for 5 years - I've met these progressives that think there's love in everyone's heart and we just nurture it and they are usually right out of college...a bit looney tunes and unknowing in how the world works (sadly) imho.

What would happen:

Vigilantes, gangs, small fiefdoms run by local criminal networks who were not afraid of The Nu Kops. None of whom could be held accountable for sh*t.

Plus: Holy sh*t, gun sales would sky rocket. If they think guns are a problem now...open carry on every block, 24-7. I'd buy half a dozen and I hate guns. Is that what these idiots want?

Plus, plus: talk about handing Trump a huge campaign pillar. Dumb x dumb.

I get it. Feelings and tensions are super HIGH, and there's is a ton of momentum for some kind of change (and definitely needed) but this is criminally stupid. Too bad there won't be anyone to arrest them for it.

My best guess is that this whole idea will get shot down and watered down. Too many people I know feel the same way, even my most liberal friends.

In the end I actually agree with you: I hope they try.

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Monday, June 8, 2020 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

In the end I actually agree with you: I hope they try.

Oh Please, Please, Please, Please, PLEASE DO IT!!! Is the title of this thread and something you both agree would lead to chaos and conflict? It’s one thing to hold that opinion but to wish for it? Especially in these times. When I see Jack wish for something terrible to happen so he can revel in it; I'm disgusted.

I think you missed the point of the title to this thread G? Jack wants to see and enjoy the anarchy, the state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority he believes this will bring; again degusting.

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Monday, June 8, 2020 11:07 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Let's watch the extreme leftists in Minneapolis become the bright shining example of why no sane and rational person should ever vote for part of the Legacy Media's propped up lunatic fringe.

We'll de-fund the police and replace them with hall monitors and watch the looters turn into a 24/7 thing in perpetuity.

Then we'll beg the County Police to do something and they'll just sit back and laugh at us.

Classic Socialists.

I am for compromise: fire every Minneapolis cop who voted for Trump. That would make for a saner, calmer, smarter police force.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 8, 2020 11:21 AM

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Commander Gen CQ Brown, Jr incredible words on what he's thinking about after George Floyd

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Monday, June 8, 2020 11:52 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Once again, SECOND posts himself into irrelevance.

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Monday, June 8, 2020 12:24 PM

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SECOND ... blah blah blah ...Trump... blah blah blah
Once again,

SECOND posts himself into irrelevance.

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President Trump tours the production floor at the Puritan plant in Guilford, Maine. USA Today reported all of the swabs manufactured during the tour will be thrown out because Trump refused to wear a mask

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Monday, June 8, 2020 12:29 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Commander Gen CQ Brown, Jr incredible words on what he's thinking about after George Floyd

Prejudice (to pre-judge) and discrimination still exist, and must be rooted out.

But we can't root it our without addressing the economic basis for discrimination. It doesn't help that most murders are committed by blacks, and that most blacks are KILLED by blacks, not police.

How do we solve that?

Show me the incentive (reward), and I will show you the behavior.

If there are not enough good jobs to go around for everyone who can work and is willing to work, if these jobs do not pay enough to support oneself and a family, some will suffer.

If that lack of economic opportunity is concentrated on a skin color and a neighborhood, people will still find a way to "make a living" and feel in control of their destiny, whether that is joining a gang, or selling drugs. And if the rewards of consumerism are constantly dangled ... out of reach by any legitinate means ... people will resort to stealing and looting.

Over two or three generations you will have developed a subculture that is unacquainted with work as the means of securing a future, but lives in its own toxic stew of acqusitiveness and lawlessness leading to all kinds of aberrant behavior.

The answer isn't to throw money at "poor people", the answer is to make sure there are so many good, decent-paying, meaningful jobs available for every citizen that nobody will see a new job entrant as a threat, but as a colleague. Then we have to raise the quality of education so that people will be prepared for the jobs that will be open to them. And we need those standards of meritocracy to be applied fairly, so that everyone can have faith in the system. That goes for loan evaluations, rental applictions, etc.

I suggest that as much evaluation as possible be done "blinded", with age, sex, and name removed. For jobs, only education, experience, and references count. For loans and reantal/lease applications, only credit score counts. Nobody needs to know anything else about you. For entrance into higher education, an entrance exam which challenges thinking. In this day of the internet, a lot can be done online and despersonalized.

The United States economy is teetering into meaninglessness. We need to manufacture basic commodities and items, again. Our infrastructure is falling apart. Houses need to be renovated ... stripped of lead paint and lead pipes, made energy-efficient. The environment needs to be remediated. People need to be healed, and young people need to be taught... and especially, how to teach themselves. With so much work going undone, why do we have unemployment? Why do we have large swaths of despair, not just in inner cities but across white (formerly) middle class America?

"Black communities" need to be reintegrated back into a meaningful American economy, and we - not just blacks - need a whole new direction of what we reward and cherish. Not consumerism and greed but something that will move us ALL in a positive direction ... work, innovation, cooperation, motivation.

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AFA abolishing the police ... I have wondered what the police do that is so vital. They're almost never there to PREVENT crime ... there simply aren't enough of them ... they usually only show up afterwards. I know a cop, and in her whole career she only managed to stop one crime in progress. Yep, we need EMTs, and coroners, and investigators, and I suppose we need a special group of people who will go out and make arrests, and probably SWAT teams and hostage negotiators for long-duration events (people holed up with guns and maybe hostages). But the best crime deterrance was an experiment in Boston where investigators had determined who the "enforcers" in any particualr gang were (not all gang members are equally violent) and they had them under such parole conditions ... btw, you don't need a warrant to go into the house of a parolee ... that they could inspect and if necessary re-arrest someone for parole violations. Also, they found that sending thse people to prison far away, not to jail with their homies, also helped.

So, "beat cop"? Not sure what good they do. It would be an interesting experiment to get rid of them.

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Monday, June 8, 2020 1:06 PM

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Commander Gen CQ Brown, Jr incredible words on what he's thinking about after George Floyd

So, "beat cop"? Not sure what good they do. It would be an interesting experiment to get rid of them.

I deleted most of your quote comrade because America doesn't need a Putin loving commie to lecture us.

Time to leave this wacko thread...

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Monday, June 8, 2020 2:12 PM

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SECOND ... blah blah blah ...Trump... blah blah blah
SIGGY .... blah blah blah... SECOND .... blah blah blah

Once again, SIGGY posts herself into irrelevance.

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Monday, June 8, 2020 2:13 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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SECOND ... blah blah blah ...Trump... blah blah blah
Once again, SECOND posts himself into irrelevance.

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There is not 1 out of 10 Trump voters who could read this article without adamantly disagreeing with it:
"The Mis-Education Of White Folks" Hint: it's about whites denying they're racists.
www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2020/06/the-mis-education-of-white-f
olks.html

Your next move is to quote Trump: "I'm the least racist person in the world" then get angry that anyone would say "Trump Is a Racist. If You Still Support Him, So Are You."
www.thedailybeast.com/trump-is-a-racist-if-you-still-support-him-so-ar
e-you

If you are a cop and you vote for Trump, you are a racist. Saying you aren't what you are will change nothing, my dear insincere Russian Troll Signym, but that is a move I've seen Trump make many times, even more often then his most loyal and lying supporters.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 8, 2020 3:18 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Racism, or any discriminatory -ism, is just a tool by which one group of people tries to secure the means of survival for themselves against the competition from others when there's insufficient means for all.

In other circumstances where there's enough opportunity for everyone, there's no need for racism, or any discriminatory -ism.

Back in 2016 I came up with a platform by which democrats could win: the Fair Deal.

I still think it's the key not only to political victory but to re-forming America.

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Monday, June 8, 2020 3:51 PM

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In the end I actually agree with you: I hope they try.

Oh Please, Please, Please, Please, PLEASE DO IT!!! Is the title of this thread and something you both agree would lead to chaos and conflict? It’s one thing to hold that opinion but to wish for it? Especially in these times. When I see Jack wish for something terrible to happen so he can revel in it; I'm disgusted.

I think you missed the point of the title to this thread G? Jack wants to see and enjoy the anarchy, the state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority he believes this will bring; again degusting.

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Wrong, idiot.

Captain got it right. Actually, literally everything he said in his reply was correct.

I wouldn't revel in the chaos, other than to be able to sit right back and throw out a whole bunch more I Told You Sos.

I'm not an Antifag Anarchist asswipe. Everybody pushing for the de-funding of Minneapolis cops are fucking lunatics and would deserve everything they had coming to them. The law abiding citizens that didn't make that decision? Not so much.

And Captain was right about the gun thing too. Not only that, but you'd have people forming their own militias left and right and you'll quickly find out what "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" means. HINT: It's not what your Legacy Media bozos told you it does.

Oh, and yeah... Huge bump for Trump if they go through with it. HUGE.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, June 8, 2020 4:37 PM

JONGSSTRAW

The looting radicals of the Left have given Americans a vile and repugnant spectacle they will not soon forget. These criminals and lunatics, along with their cheering and inept Democrat politicians have all but guaranteed a Republican sweep of everything in November. Republicans represent law and order and civility. Democrats represent lawlessness, anarchy, and insanity. Easy decision. Republicans build businesses, Democrats burn businesses down. Again, easy decision for any sane non-criminal.

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Monday, June 8, 2020 4:53 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Just to point out:

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Democrat Biden opposes push to defund police, campaign says
By Trevor Hunnicutt

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden does not support a movement to defund U.S. police departments as a response to cases of police brutality against unarmed black people, his campaign said on Monday.

The former vice president's stance echoed that of Democratic leaders in Congress, who on Monday unveiled sweeping legislation to combat police violence and racial injustice but stopped short of calling for the funding of local law enforcement agencies to be cut or abolished.

"As his criminal justice proposal made clear months ago, Vice President Biden does not believe that police should be defunded," said Andrew Bates, a spokesman for Biden's campaign.

That said, if Biden wants to be seen as the leader of the 'democratic' party, he should LEAD with a strong national statement, instead of letting local and state democrats charge out in front.

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Monday, June 8, 2020 5:29 PM

WHOZIT

They should defund Mayor Frey

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Monday, June 8, 2020 8:04 PM

All I know about Frey was that he was booed for saying that he wasn't for de-funding the police. Any reason in particular that he should be de-funded?

Check out this religious fanaticism.

Love seeing all the college brainwashed self hating white folk in the crowd.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, June 8, 2020 8:15 PM

AOC wants the NYC police de-funded.

Biden probably ought to tell her to shut the fuck up if he knows what's good for him.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, June 8, 2020 9:00 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Camden NJ disbanded its police force and (supposedly) saw a reduction in crime in 2018. But they didn't get rid of the police force, they "reimagined" it.

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/01/what-happened-to-crime-in-camde
n/549542/

I have not been able to find relevant stats from 2019 to see if the reduction in crime was more imagined than real.

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What I was wondering was about the role of the "beat cop", not the police force in general.

Here in the 'burbs of LA, everything is very spread out. No matter how fast the police get there, the perp is either gone, or injure/dead on the scene. I've seen it happen in my own life, when I lived in an apartment complex that was regularly being purse snatched/burglarized/robbed by a young black man on a bicycle. The police were never able to catch him.*

In our other home, there was a robber working up and down the street. I actually bumped into him in the dark one morning. Again, the police were never able to catch him.

Our other house was burgled of tools. The police took a report but ... ditto.

Our other home was burgled of small items. The police sent an investigator but ... ditto.

In the space of about one year, every home around us was burglarized. The police took reports and send a squad car to police the neighborhood every few weeks, but the perps were never caught.

One of our caregivers lived in a very violent neighnorhood dominated by a gang ... they literally kidnapped her husband and made him take money out ofthe ATM at regular intervals, and kidnapped her elderly mother and threatened her daughter. The neighborhood was very hard to police ... very narrow deep lots, one house behind the other, impossible to see what was happening from the street. The police (LA Sheriff, in this case) never did manage to get a hold of the problem.

It must be very frustrating, being a police officer, especially when you KNOW that some of the people that you're dealing with are criminals, but you can never catch them in a crime or with evidence. (BTW, my uncle was a cop before he retired, so I have some sympathy.)

So how do you handle the problem of crime? Treat the whole neighborhood like a prison? Stop and frisk everyone?

I think part of the solution is technology ... there are a lot of people who are stupid enuf to Instagram themselves committing a crime. "harden" your neighborhood: *I fought off a criminal once. Today, almost everyone has a security system with cameras, and we're all in touch with each other. A few of us even have guns.

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THUGR: I'll say this in simple terms so maybe you'll "get it": The way that you make people behave lawfully and productively is to make lawful and productive behavior PAY, and make it FAIR. There will always be miscreants and psychopaths among us, but how cna we expect people to be lawful, productive, and fair if society isn't lawful, productive, and fair?

To be perfectly clear, in times of mass violence, arson, and looting, I have no problems sending in the National Guard or the 82nd and/or 101st airborne divisions if necessary.

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Monday, June 8, 2020 9:45 PM

Looks like Dems might lose support from the entire Police Union over this. That will be hilarious.

7 years ago...

Going to be entertaining watching the new Hall Monitors in Minneapolis handle the next Sandy Hook when it's in their back yard.

Dumb, brainwashed BLM member white bitch goes on CNN and calls the ability to phone the police if your house is broken into while you're sleeping "privilege", and the drone on CNN doesn't call bullshit.

TIP OF THE DAY: Buy stock in any weapons manufacturer. Doesn't matter which. Pick one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 4:03 AM

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As BLM Protests Raged, Chicago Saw Highest Black-On-Black Murder Rate In 60 Years

More black civilians killed by black civilians in one day than an entire year of murder by cop.

Because it's the po-lice that are clearly the problem.

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 5:48 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I was watching TV and there were a lot of BLM protesters saying the police should be defunded.

But I have a different proposal ... just ask the neighborhoods if police should withdraw completely from the area. It could be a trial run for defunding. Give them a chance to see how much they like not having police around.

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:52 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Despite promised reforms, police still shoot and kill nearly 1,000 people a year

In 2015, The Washington Post began tallying how many people were shot and killed by police. By the end of 2015, officers had fatally shot nearly 1,000 people, twice as many as ever documented in one year by the federal government.

With the issue flaring in city after city, some officials vowed to reform how police use force.

The next year, however, police nationwide again shot and killed nearly 1,000 people. Then they fatally shot about the same number in 2017 - and have done so for every year after that, according to The Post's ongoing count. Since 2015, police have shot and killed 5,400 people.

This toll has proven impervious to waves of protests, such as those now flooding American streets in the wake of George Floyd's death at the hands of police in Minneapolis. The number killed has remained steady despite fluctuating crime rates, changeovers in big-city police leadership and a nationwide push for criminal justice reform.

Even amid the coronavirus pandemic and orders that kept millions at home for weeks, police shot and killed 463 people through the first week of June - 49 more than the same period in 2019. In May, police shot and killed 110 people, the most in any one month since The Post began tracking it.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20200609114731/https://www.houstonchronicl
e.com/news/article/Despite-promised-reforms-police-still-shoot-and-15324345.php

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:58 AM

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I was watching TV and there were a lot of BLM protesters saying the police should be defunded.

But I have a different proposal ... just ask the neighborhoods if police should withdraw completely from the area. It could be a trial run for defunding. Give them a chance to see how much they like not having police around.

Not just “a few bad apples”: U.S. police kill civilians at much higher rates than other countries

Police violence is a systemic problem in the U.S., not simply incidental, and it happens on a scale far greater than other wealthy nations.

https://static.prisonpolicy.org/images/policekillings_rates.webp

www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:59 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I was watching TV and there were a lot of BLM protesters saying the police should be defunded.

But I have a different proposal ... just ask the neighborhoods if police should withdraw completely from the area. It could be a trial run for defunding. Give them a chance to see how much they like not having police around.
Not just “a few bad apples”: U.S. police kill civilians at much higher rates than other countries

Police violence is a systemic problem in the U.S., not simply incidental, and it happens on a scale far greater than other wealthy nations.

https://static.prisonpolicy.org/images/policekillings_rates.webp

www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

As you'd like to point out whenever it suits your Liberal Agenda, murder rates are much higher here than that of other wealthy nations as well.

Even though a vast majority of deaths by crime are committed in the inner-cities, and in most parts of America you're about as likely to be murdered as you would be in rural Sweden.

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:39 AM

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As BLM Protests Raged, Chicago Saw Highest Black-On-Black Murder Rate In 60 Years
More black civilians killed by black civilians in one day than an entire year of murder by cop.

Because it's the po-lice that are clearly the problem.

Big majorities support protests over Floyd killing and say police need to change, poll finds

Americans overwhelmingly support the nationwide protests that have taken place since the killing of George Floyd at the hands of police in Minneapolis, and they say police forces have not done enough to ensure that blacks are treated equally to whites, according to a Washington Post-Schar School poll.

President Trump receives negative marks for his handling of the protests, with 61 percent saying they disapprove and 35 percent saying they approve. Much of the opposition to Trump is vehement, as 47 percent of Americans say they strongly disapprove of the way the president has responded to the protests

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/big-majorities-support-protests-over
-floyd-killing-and-say-police-need-to-change-poll-finds/ar-BB15eTjO?ocid=msedgdhp

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 12:12 PM

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SIGNY:

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As BLM Protests Raged, Chicago Saw Highest Black-On-Black Murder Rate In 60 Years
More black civilians killed by black civilians in one day than an entire year of murder by cop.

Because it's the po-lice that are clearly the problem.

THUGR: Big majorities support protests over Floyd killing and say police need to change, poll finds

Well, ot course. Because big majorities are stupid enuf to believe the M$M, and that M$M has been pushing "blame Trump, blame Trump, blame Trump" over anything he says or doesn't say, and anything he does or doesn't do.

IN REALITY, way more black civilians are killed by black civilians than are killed by police, no matter where your dart lands on a map of the USA. How about solving THAT problem?

And IN REALITY, Trump has fuck-all to do with whatever local cops are doing: that's up the the mayors of the cities and governors of each state. And he has fuck-all to do with handling protests until he calls in the National Guard or the military.

But that's OK ... Americans also have the memory of goldfish, and they will forget this ever happened in a month. That's another part of their induced stupidity.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

As you'd like to point out whenever it suits your Liberal Agenda, murder rates are much higher here than that of other wealthy nations as well.

A good indication that America should spend 3 times more on suicide prevention than on murder:
Murders 16,214 (2018) www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/takeaways-2019-crime-d
ata-major-american-cities
Suicides 48,344 (2018) https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 12:25 PM

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SIGNY:

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As BLM Protests Raged, Chicago Saw Highest Black-On-Black Murder Rate In 60 Years
More black civilians killed by black civilians in one day than an entire year of murder by cop.

Because it's the po-lice that are clearly the problem.

THUGR: Big majorities support protests over Floyd killing and say police need to change, poll finds
Well, ot course. Because big majorities are stupid enuf to believe the M$M, and that M$M has been pushing "blame Trump, blame Trump, blame Trump" over anything he says or doesn't say, and anything he does or doesn't do.

IN REALITY, way more black civilians are killed by black civilians than are killed by police, no matter where your dart lands on a map of the USA. How about solving THAT problem?

And IN REALITY, Trump has fuck-all to do with whatever local cops are doing: that's up the the mayors of the cities and governors of each state. And he has fuck-all to do with handling protests until he calls in the National Guard or the military.

But that's OK ... Americans also have the memory of goldfish, and they will forget this ever happened in a month. That's another part of their induced stupidity.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Murders were 16,214 (2018). Covid-19 deaths were 110,000. More of those Covid-19 Deaths were Trump's fault, because he wouldn't react to the pandemic since that would cause the stock market to crash, then all the murders in a year.

Lockdown Delays Cost at Least 36,000 Lives, Data Show
www.nytimes.com/2020/05/20/us/coronavirus-distancing-deaths.html

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 12:29 PM

... stay crunchy...

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Oh Please, Please, Please, Please, PLEASE DO IT!!! Is the title of this thread and something you both agree would lead to chaos and conflict? It’s one thing to hold that opinion but to wish for it? Especially in these times. When I see Jack wish for something terrible to happen so he can revel in it; I'm disgusted.

I think you missed the point of the title to this thread G? Jack wants to see and enjoy the anarchy, the state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority he believes this will bring; again degusting.

Hey T. No, I got Jack's title (no matter what he says now). No, I don't WANT it to fail, I just don't think it can succeed. I think times are such that people might be over reaching and dreaming just a bit.

I definitely HOPE MPLS tries whatever they decide defunding and dismantling ends up being (looks like they will), because there will never be a better time for it - public sentiment is never going to be so receptive and passionate for trying something so audacious. MPLS is full of smart people, forward thinking people - if "it" can work anywhere in the US they have a good chance. Something needs to be done for sure - lots of momentum for this..

I'm lean more toward WISHY when it comes to trusting People. Don't!

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 12:50 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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SIGNY:

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As BLM Protests Raged, Chicago Saw Highest Black-On-Black Murder Rate In 60 Years
More black civilians killed by black civilians in one day than an entire year of murder by cop.

Because it's the po-lice that are clearly the problem.

THUGR: Big majorities support protests over Floyd killing and say police need to change, poll finds
Well, ot course. Because big majorities are stupid enuf to believe the M$M, and that M$M has been pushing "blame Trump, blame Trump, blame Trump" over anything he says or doesn't say, and anything he does or doesn't do.

IN REALITY, way more black civilians are killed by black civilians than are killed by police, no matter where your dart lands on a map of the USA. How about solving THAT problem?

And IN REALITY, Trump has fuck-all to do with whatever local cops are doing: that's up the the mayors of the cities and governors of each state. And he has fuck-all to do with handling protests until he calls in the National Guard or the military.

But that's OK ... Americans also have the memory of goldfish, and they will forget this ever happened in a month. That's another part of their induced stupidity.

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Murders were 16,214 (2018). Covid-19 deaths were 110,000. More of those Covid-19 Deaths were Trump's fault, because he wouldn't react to the pandemic since that would cause the stock market to crash, then all the murders in a year.

Lockdown Delays Cost at Least 36,000 Lives, Data Show
www.nytimes.com/2020/05/20/us/coronavirus-distancing-deaths.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

A good reason why people shouldn't be out protesting cheek by jowl, much less riotig and looting.

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 1:07 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

A good reason why people shouldn't be out protesting cheek by jowl, much less riotig and looting.

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Signym, you did not acknowledge that Trump's inaction on Covid-19, because he didn't want the stock market to crash, killed 36,000. Signym, you never acknowledged that Trump cancelling every nuclear weapon treaty could kill millions. You wanted a loose cannon and you got it with Trump.

Fumbling the nuclear football: is Trump blundering to arms control chaos?
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/24/nuclear-weapons-donald-trump-arm
s-control-chaos

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:47 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

One of the things I learned from an ex-CHP officer is that it's nearly - but not quite - impossible to reform an organizational culture that's been baked-in for a long time.

Many decades ago, the CHP had a reputation nearly as bad as any local southern sheriff. Procedures were ad hoc. The scope for abuses was wide. Public trust was low. But in 1970 the "Newhall incident" led the CHP Commissioner Harold W. Sullivan to bring in an outsider (whose name I forget and can't track down) to reform the CHP. I honestly have been trying to find for a long time who that was and how he did it - because indeed he accomplished the near-impossible and did reform the culture in-place. The result was the CHP became for many decades a highly respected organization, with a high level of competence and integrity, and a high degree of public trust. (They were the non-participating officers watching aghast as city cops beat Rodney King. The chase initiated on the 210fwy, but became local when King exited. At the time, the CHP had no clear authority on city streets.) To this day because of the procedures that were instituted back then, many people reflexively say "thank you" to the CHP officer after getting a ticket. It's a great positive example of that old NO saying 'what goes around, comes around'.

But the MLKJr/ Drew Medical Center hospital in Los Angeles is one of many stories of protracted ongoing failure - despite repeated changes in management, retraining and firing of staff, loss of federal money, loss of federal accreditation, and reducing, then closing, various units over time. This is from 2007:

Quote:

"Killer King Hospital"

The hospital, formerly known as Martin Luther King Jr.-Drew Medical Center, was built after the 1965 Watts riot to bring health care to poor, minority communities in south Los Angeles.

But it had been plagued by patient deaths blamed on sloppy nursing care, among other things. The county tried over the last few years to correct the problems with a multimillion-dollar rescue effort, disciplining workers, reorganizing management, closing the trauma unit and reducing the number of beds from 200 to 48.

After Rodriguez's death, federal reports showed those efforts were failing and patients were in "immediate jeopardy." Of the 60 cases reviewed between February and June, more than a quarter received substandard care, according to the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

In February, a brain tumor patient languished in the emergency room for four days before his family drove him to another hospital for emergency surgery. A pregnant woman who complained of bleeding was given a pregnancy test and left, only to return three days later and have a miscarriage after waiting more than four hours to see a doctor.

The findings have sent county officials scrambling to improve care before a federal inspection due by Aug. 15 that could determine whether the hospital keeps its federal funding. The county might close the facility without that money.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/killer-king-la-hospital-in-peril/

It was eventually finally completely shuttered in 2007, never to reopen.

Looking at previous reform examples, re-forming a police department that's been in place for many decades could be a difficult task, to say the least.

De-funding the police rather than trying to reform them one would hope would be only a first step - as it was in Camden, NJ, which closed down its existing police department in order to create a new and better one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden_County_Police_Department

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:48 PM

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As BLM Protests Raged, Chicago Saw Highest Black-On-Black Murder Rate In 60 Years
More black civilians killed by black civilians in one day than an entire year of murder by cop.

Because it's the po-lice that are clearly the problem.

Big majorities support protests over Floyd killing and say police need to change, poll finds

Americans overwhelmingly support the nationwide protests that have taken place since the killing of George Floyd at the hands of police in Minneapolis, and they say police forces have not done enough to ensure that blacks are treated equally to whites, according to a Washington Post-Schar School poll.

President Trump receives negative marks for his handling of the protests, with 61 percent saying they disapprove and 35 percent saying they approve. Much of the opposition to Trump is vehement, as 47 percent of Americans say they strongly disapprove of the way the president has responded to the protests

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/big-majorities-support-protests-over
-floyd-killing-and-say-police-need-to-change-poll-finds/ar-BB15eTjO?ocid=msedgdhp

T

They couldn't even be bothered to poll more people than die in a single day in the US from The Coomph?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/june-2-7-2020-washington-post-s
char-poll/6b811cdf-8f99-4e28-b8f1-c76df335c16a/

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A dual frame landlineand cellular phone telephone sample was generated by Marketing Systems Group (MSG) using Random Digit Dialing procedures. Interviewers called landlines and cellular phonen umbers. [u
For landline phones, interviewers first request to speak with the youngest adult male or female at home. Cellularphones are treated as individual devices and the interview is conducted with the adult answering the phone.The final sample included 305interviews completed on landlinesand701interviews completed via cellular phones, including 461interviews with adults in cell phone-only households.

LOL

Now... Why do you suppose they'd request to speak with the youngest "adult" in the home rather than the person that answered the land line phone?

And, as always, Liberal Poll polls more Liberals.

FAKE NEWS. FAKE POLL.

Came from WaPo. Bezos Approved.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:52 PM

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A good reason why people shouldn't be out protesting cheek by jowl, much less riotig and looting.

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Signym, you did not acknowledge that Trump's inaction on Covid-19, because he didn't want the stock market to crash, killed 36,000. Signym, you never acknowledged that Trump cancelling every nuclear weapon treaty could kill millions. You wanted a loose cannon and you got it with Trump.

Fumbling the nuclear football: is Trump blundering to arms control chaos?
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/24/nuclear-weapons-donald-trump-arm
s-control-chaos

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

No. Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, CNN, MSNBC and all of your trash rag Liberal Legacy Media sites calling Trump racist for trying to shut down international flights before it got here killed 36,000 people.

You, Second, are an accomplice to the killing of 36,000 people.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, June 10, 2020 7:02 AM

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American police shoot, kill and imprison more people than other developed countries. Here's the data:
www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/us-police-floyd-protests-country-comparisons
-intl/index.html

If every US state were counted as a country, the 31 countries with the highest incarceration rates in the world would all be US states, according to the Prison Policy Initiative. Oklahoma, Louisiana and Mississippi all have incarceration rates of over 1,000 per 100,000 people, meaning more than one in a hundred people in those states were prisoners in 2018. By comparison, the highest incarceration rate outside the US is in El Salvador, where 614 people per 100,000 are prisoners.

There was too much to take in at first. Too many videos of people getting beaten by police, too many city streets and public squares blurry with tear gas, too many fires and victims and officials and cities and storefronts to keep track of. It seemed at first that despite the size and scope of this uprising, some variant of the usual defeated amnesia might set in; people would settle into a familiar haze of horror, resignation, anger, and impotence. Drag themselves through one week into the next one, move on. But if Trump has perfected the politics of distraction, making it impossible to dwell on any single infraction by providing fresh abuses daily, these protests have somehow—despite or maybe because of the proliferation of shocking, unwarranted violence—done the opposite. They keep focusing Americans’ numb and unexercised attention on the problem. Over and over and over, with each new video, the point no one in power much wants to admit gets driven home: The police are out of control.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/buffalo-police-video-white
-america.html

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Wednesday, June 10, 2020 7:21 AM

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Video evidence increasingly disproves police narratives

Minneapolis police initially told the public that George Floyd died after a “medical incident during a police interaction.” The Buffalo, New York, department said a protester “tripped and fell." Philadelphia police alleged that a college student who suffered a serious head wound had assaulted an officer.

All three claims were quickly disproved by videos seen widely on the internet and television, fueling mistrust and embarrassing agencies that made misleading or incomplete statements that painted their actions in a far more favorable light.

Police departments deny lying but acknowledge sometimes making mistakes.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200610111813/https://www.houstonchronicl
e.com/news/article/Video-evidence-increasingly-disproves-police-15327787.php

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Oh Please, Please, Please, Please, PLEASE DO IT!!! Is the title of this thread and something you both agree would lead to chaos and conflict? It’s one thing to hold that opinion but to wish for it? Especially in these times. When I see Jack wish for something terrible to happen so he can revel in it; I'm disgusted.

I think you missed the point of the title to this thread G? Jack wants to see and enjoy the anarchy, the state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority he believes this will bring; again degusting.

Hey T. No, I got Jack's title (no matter what he says now). No, I don't WANT it to fail, I just don't think it can succeed. I think times are such that people might be over reaching and dreaming just a bit.

I definitely HOPE MPLS tries whatever they decide defunding and dismantling ends up being (looks like they will), because there will never be a better time for it - public sentiment is never going to be so receptive and passionate for trying something so audacious. MPLS is full of smart people, forward thinking people - if "it" can work anywhere in the US they have a good chance. Something needs to be done for sure - lots of momentum for this..

I'm lean more toward WISHY when it comes to trusting People. Don't!

I get what you're saying G but defunding the police is being portrayed as though it means closing the police department. It doesn't. I am heading to work so this will be a less than adequate response, but think of making a 911 call. If you need a fireman they send one. If you need an ambulance they send one. Now think about other underfunded services being funded better so If you need them calling 911 will get you that assistance. Sorry, but as I said I am rushed by my need to get to work.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Wednesday, June 10, 2020 7:50 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SECOND: Your three and a half years of manic posting about Trump has discredited anything further you might post on him. Global climate shift isn't Trump's fault, neither is police brutality, the wealth gap, or the hollowing out of the American exonomy. These are systemic problems of longstanding, created by politicians of both parties over the last four or more decades. Since Trump was not the cause, his presence - or absence - isn't going to be "The" solution either. Covid was going to be a shit sandwhich and no matter what Trump did or didn't do you would have blamed him for something: either collapsing the economy or letting people die. Another example: If Trump had restricted protests because of Covid you would rail about him ending free speech. Since he didn't, you will blame him for increase in Covid deaths.

Hell, you've been hounding him about tax cheating even tho there's no evidence, blaming him for entirely fictitious "misdeeds" like collusion with Russia, and "quid pro quo" Ukrainegate.

Why stop there? (HINT: I know you won't!)

That's why your posts are all blah-blah-blah: A pointless exercise in your equally pointless vendetta.

Not that I've taken you off "ignore", just explaining why you're there and not likely to come off for the foreseeable future.

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Wednesday, June 10, 2020 8:16 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND: Your three and a half years of manic posting about Trump has discredited anything further you might post on him.

You are out-of-your-mind, dear Russian Troll. Cancelling all nuclear weapon treaties is all Trump's fault.

After this city dissolved its police department, crime fell by almost half

The city, home to a population about 17% of Minneapolis' size, dissolved its police department in 2012 and replaced it with an entirely new one after corruption rendered the existing agency unfixable.

Before its police reforms, Camden was routinely named one of the most violent cities in the US.

Now, seven years after the old department was booted (though around 100 officers were rehired), the city's crime has dropped by close to half. Officers host outdoor parties for residents and knock on doors to introduce themselves. It's a radically different Camden than it was even a decade ago. Here's how they did it.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/09/us/disband-police-camden-new-jersey
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Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:46 AM

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I get what you're saying G but defunding the police is being portrayed as though it means closing the police department. It doesn't. I heading to work so this will be a less than adequate response, but think of making a 911 call. If you need a fireman they send one. If you need an ambulance they send one. Now think about other underfunded services being funded better so If you need them calling 911 will get you that assistance. Sorry, but as I said I am rushed by my need to get to work.

Few thoughts:

I understand that a lot of "police reforms" in the past have not worked, hence this bigger, bolder approach. I understand that defunding doesn't necessarily mean closing. I also understand that emotions are extremely high (as they should be). The New Jersey example is on a much smaller scale but it seems to have worked. Camden was on what was called the Heroin Highway and bad cops on the take were a big part of the problem. So yes, when something is that bad blow it up and start again.

I think Kiki's suggestion is a really good one: if communities don't want policing, let them try it and see if they feel the same way after a year.

I seriously wonder if we can design even a new police force that will work for white AND black communities - especially now.

Nothing would make me happier than a police force that Black Americans / All Americans thought was fair and just. I feel like we've only gone backwards on that one.

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Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:12 AM

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Over the past 50 years, American police have become ever more aggressive. For every bullet the German police fired on duty in 2016, American police killed 10 people. Even overwhelmingly white states like Wyoming and Montana imprison citizens at higher rates than authoritarian Cuba.

To understand what’s wrong with the American criminal justice system, follow the money. What matters even more than black and white is green. Fixing our criminal justice system means fixing the incentives.

Here are just six ways we can alter the financial incentives; there are other options as well, but the logic of these is relatively easy to see.

• Remove laws immunizing police from civil and criminal penalties.

• Enable citizens to sue police for excessive or inappropriate violence; pay resulting judgments from police pension funds or salary pools, rather than general taxes.

• Make police salary raise pools dependent upon measured community satisfaction.

• Repeal civil asset forfeiture laws.

• Disband SWAT teams in any town smaller than 100,000 people.

• Don’t allow towns to keep revenue from tickets and fines; instead place that revenue in victim restitution funds.

If we change the incentives, we change behavior.

More at www.marketwatch.com/story/financial-incentives-have-given-us-ever-more
-aggressive-policing-if-we-want-real-change-we-must-change-those-incentives-2020-06-10

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I get what you're saying G but defunding the police is being portrayed as though it means closing the police department. It doesn't. I heading to work so this will be a less than adequate response, but think of making a 911 call. If you need a fireman they send one. If you need an ambulance they send one. Now think about other underfunded services being funded better so If you need them calling 911 will get you that assistance. Sorry, but as I said I am rushed by my need to get to work.

Few thoughts:

I understand that a lot of "police reforms" in the past have not worked, hence this bigger, bolder approach. I understand that defunding doesn't necessarily mean closing. I also understand that emotions are extremely high (as they should be). The New Jersey example is on a much smaller scale but it seems to have worked. Camden was on what was called the Heroin Highway and bad cops on the take were a big part of the problem. So yes, when something is that bad blow it up and start again.

I think Kiki's suggestion is a really good one: if communities don't want policing, let them try it and see if they feel the same way after a year.

I seriously wonder if we can design even a new police force that will work for white AND black communities - especially now.

Nothing would make me happier than a police force that Black Americans / All Americans thought was fair and just. I feel like we've only gone backwards on that one.

Sorry, I don't think so. Disbanding the police without properly funding programs improving conditions within the black community, will only lead to lawless streets. Comrade kiki's an ass.

One thing we can start doing right off the bat G, is realize only 5% of police encounters are for violent offenses. That means 95% are not. George Floyd was not. Using peaceful means rather than force, like making an arrest, can be replaced by giving out a summons. Police can make less arrests. Act in a nonaggressive manor towards a nonaggressive suspect.

We could enforce whistleblower laws protecting officers who file complaints against fellow officers. What's being discussed regarding this topic in these threads is so far off the mark it's humorous. What is not humorous is how many people don't realize they are spewing nonsense. Nothing new for these threads.

T

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Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:32 PM

Maybe listen to a black guy and stop using your White Privilege to decide what's best for black communities.

lol

Nice corner y'all painted yourselves into there.

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Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:56 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So, WTF is "wrong" with the Seattle Police? They have extremely progressive policies on drugs and homelessness, and AFAIK they don't go around killing restrained civilians or running drugs.

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Seattle Protesters Storm City Hall After Running Cops Out Of Precinct, Establishing "Autonomous Zone"

Update (1140ET): Protesters broke into Seattle City Hall Tuesday night to demand the resignation of Mayor Jenny Durkan.

Antifa and BLM have broken into Seattle city hall Despite their mayor @MayorJenny being beyond progressive. They are demanding she resign since she won’t defund the Police. This is the new normal in big cities of America
pic.twitter.com/iHv4uBi0vW
— ELIJAH (@ElijahSchaffer) June 10, 2020

The protesters were aided by Seattle Councilwoman Kshama Sawant, who was seen alongside the protesters inside City Hall, according to Fox News.

MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seattle-protesters-establish-auton
omous-zone-after-police-national-guard-pull-out

*****

One of the tactics of color revolutions is to take a legitimate grievance and then escalate it to impossible demands.

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Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:56 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So, WTF is "wrong" with the Seattle Police? They have extremely progressive policies on drugs and homelessness, and AFAIK they don't go around killing restrained civilians or running drugs.

Quote:
Seattle Protesters Storm City Hall After Running Cops Out Of Precinct, Establishing "Autonomous Zone"

Update (1140ET): Protesters broke into Seattle City Hall Tuesday night to demand the resignation of Mayor Jenny Durkan.

Antifa and BLM have broken into Seattle city hall Despite their mayor @MayorJenny being beyond progressive. They are demanding she resign since she won’t defund the Police. This is the new normal in big cities of America
pic.twitter.com/iHv4uBi0vW
— ELIJAH (@ElijahSchaffer) June 10, 2020

The protesters were aided by Seattle Councilwoman Kshama Sawant, who was seen alongside the protesters inside City Hall, according to Fox News.

After protesting inside for over an hour, the group left City Hall, chanting "Defund SPD" as they left.

And after over an hour inside City Hall, protesters are headed out and chanting “Defund SPD” as they leave. #seattleprotest pic.twitter.com/jE6eXkm905
— Jake Goldstein-Street (@GoldsteinStreet) June 10, 2020

* * *

What began as an attempt by Seattle Police to ease tensions after a week of protests by retreating from the Capitol Hill neighborhood has resulted in the establishment of the so-called "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone" - a six-block section of town which Antifa and other activists have occupied, setting up barricades and claiming the area near the Seattle PD East Precinct as theirs.

MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seattle-protesters-establish-auton
omous-zone-after-police-national-guard-pull-out

*****

Autonomous zones are called "no go" zones in the UK and France, and they're extremely dangerous places.

One of the tactics of color revolutions is to take a legitimate grievance and then escalate it to impossible demands.

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Wednesday, June 10, 2020 1:20 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

In Chicago, recorded conversation between Mayor Lightfoot and Alderman Raymond Lopez as he demands answers to what will happen if violence escalates

Also a verbal altercation between far-left black profressor Cornell West and black civil rights attorney Leo Terrell.

*****

I agree with West that the fundamental problem is lack of jobs. I DON'T think that the poverty problem will be solved by defunding the police, nor do I think that you can solve the poverty problem by "giving people momey". I DON'T think you can solve the poverty problem by giving big banks and big business more concessions and more power, because they caused the problem in the first place. Look at what happened under Obama's giveaway to the banks: Black business and home-ownership fell to the lowest it has been in DECADES.

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Why Does LA Spend Twice as Much on Policing as San Diego?

How much scope is there for cutting spending on police? Just to give you an idea, here’s the variation in spending among big California cities:

In Los Angeles, residents pay an average of $750 per year for police protection. In Fresno, which has about the same violent crime rate, they pay only $450 each. In San Diego, with a modestly lower violent crime rate, they pay about $300 each.

That’s a huge range, and obviously there’s more to the picture than just the crime rate. Nonetheless, it does give at least a hint that there’s a considerable scope for reductions in some of our highest spending cities.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/06/why-does-la-spend-twice-as-much
-on-policing-as-san-diego/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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