USA Republicans cheer for Italy GiorgiaMelon neo-Fascist. What happened to 'Americans firstly ' by THGRRI

REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

USA Republicans cheer for Italy GiorgiaMelon neo-Fascist. What happened to 'Americans firstly '

POSTED BY: THGRRI
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 20, 2024 18:20
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 9888
PAGE 3 of 4

Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So what I think Im reading is that as long as a person isn't a drag on society they deserve to live, but once they're a drag on society they don't deserve help?

Does this apply to everyone of ANY age?

Hmm. Seems there was a group of people a few decades back who actively euthanized the disabled and handicapped among them. They thought a lot like 6.

Not very socialist, were they?

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:09 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't give a fuck about old people dying.

SIGNY So, why not? Hoping for an honest answer here.

SIX I've been nothing but honest on this topic from the beginning. That's why I get a bunch of shit about my opinions on the regular here. Because I'm not lying and virtue signalling.
So, Why?
Because old people die. Ones that haven't lived healthy lives in general die earlier than others.
That's a fact of life I learned when I was 5 years old and my grandpa died.

It's fucking ridiculous that 4 months later we're already talking about shutting everything back down now, and changing the way we live forever because of a virus that everybody is going to get.
Send the kids back to school. Reopen the economy in full and stop the unconstitutional mandates. Fuck the masks.

SIGNY: SIX, how "old" is old?

SIX: It's subjective.
If you're still wiping your own ass and not counting on a fistfull of pharmacy pills that the working class is paying for you to ingest every day just to exist, you're probably not "old"

So what I think Im reading is that as long as a person isn't a drag on society they deserve to live, but once they're a drag on society they don't deserve help?

Does this apply to everyone of ANY age?

Once again, you're reading what you want to read.

The boomers siphoning off what's left of medicare and social security only payed a fraction into it what people working today pay into it, and we're told on our statements every year we'll be lucky to get 70% of the projected amounts we should.

I do hope you enjoy it, and do try not to take it for granted. It will be drastically reduced by the time your daughter's generation needs it, and GenZ isn't even going to have a safety net in their old age. Boomers completely ruined the economy.

All that aside...

It's insane that we're putting everybody else's lives on hold because of the chance that the oldest and the sickest among us might catch something.

Instead of shutting everything down and making completely healthy people wear masks with unconstitutional mandates that bypass the normal legislative process and threaten to fine or imprison those who won't abide, why not focus on the problem itself?

Make better masks and the old and sick people can wear them. And if you've damned an elderly relative to a petri dish of disease that is an old folks home, make sure that you mask up and wash your hands before visiting them.

I said early on that this was all a grand social experiment. I still think that this is true. And the psychological impact is going to be felt for generations to come if we don't stop this nonsense.

Imagine being a kid growing up in a world where they can't go to school like normal and need to maintain social distance of 6 feet and wear masks in public for years without any end in sight. That IS the future they have to look forward to if their parents don't start pushing back.

And when Trump wins, expect at least 4 more years of this craziness, perpetuated by the Legacy Media. My guess is that if Biden won they'd almost immediately stop talking about it.

Congratulations, Legacy Media. You've successfully politicized and weaponized fear en-masse.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:46 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

And when Trump wins, expect at least 4 more years of this craziness, perpetuated by the Legacy Media. My guess is that if Biden won they'd almost immediately stop talking about it.

Congratulations, Legacy Media. You've successfully politicized and weaponized fear en-masse.

The media will stop talking about it because Biden will do what Trump won't, much like FDR did what Herbert Hoover would not. Biden knows he can fix the goddamn problem because there are countries that have Covid-19, but didn't fall flat on their faces because their Prime Ministers aren't dimwits who won't listen to experts. Trump did everything as stupidly as possible:

1) www.bbc.com/travel/story/20200405-covid-19-how-global-economies-will-r
ecover-from-coronavirus

2) www.forbes.com/sites/traversmark/2020/04/22/which-countries-are-handli
ng-the-covid-19-crisis-best-new-public-opinion-data-offer-answers/#5f3e5a352f4f

3) https://time.com/5851633/best-global-responses-covid-19/

4) Which countries have done well despite covid-19?
www.google.com/search?q=which+countries+have+done+well+despite+covid-1
9%3F

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:

6IXSTRINGJACK: I don't give a fuck about old people dying.

SIGNY So, why not? Hoping for an honest answer here.

SIX I've been nothing but honest on this topic from the beginning. That's why I get a bunch of shit about my opinions on the regular here. Because I'm not lying and virtue signalling.
So, Why?
Because old people die. Ones that haven't lived healthy lives in general die earlier than others.
That's a fact of life I learned when I was 5 years old and my grandpa died.

It's fucking ridiculous that 4 months later we're already talking about shutting everything back down now, and changing the way we live forever because of a virus that everybody is going to get.
Send the kids back to school. Reopen the economy in full and stop the unconstitutional mandates. Fuck the masks.

SIGNY: SIX, how "old" is old?

SIX: It's subjective.
If you're still wiping your own ass and not counting on a fistfull of pharmacy pills that the working class is paying for you to ingest every day just to exist, you're probably not "old".

SIGNY: So what I think I'm reading is that as long as a person isn't a drag on society they deserve to live, but once they're a drag on society they don't deserve help?
Does this apply to everyone of ANY age?

SIX: Once again, you're reading what you want to read.

The boomers siphoning off what's left of medicare and social security only payed a fraction into it what people working today pay into it, and we're told on our statements every year we'll be lucky to get 70% of the projected amounts we should.

Actually, you could say the same about MANY disabled people, who get checks from Social Security and benefits from Medicare regardless of age.

Your disabled brother ... does he get supported housing, and your state's version of Medicaid? Food stamps? A cash income? Much of that is Federal money flowing thru the state. FOR SURE he is getting more out of it than he put in. That's a problem too, innit?

Quote:
I do hope you enjoy it,

I don't get social security. Like many government agencies, mine was allowed not to participate in Social Security, so what I get is a pension check instead. And altho I get Medicare thru my husband's plan (Now, there's an interesting point! Spouses who were married more than 10 years are entitled to their spouse's Social Security and Medicare. Why not bitch about THAT?) I don't pay the usual subsidized premium, but something much higher. Overall, we've put more into the system than we're getting out of it.

Quote:
and do try not to take it for granted. It will be drastically reduced by the time your daughter's generation needs it, and GenZ isn't even going to have a safety net in their old age. Boomers completely ruined the economy.

No, "boomers" didn't ruin "the economy" because "government benefits" AREN'T "the economy". Or at least, they shouldn't be.

It was the ultra-elite who ruined the economy by offshoring and automating work and going all-in on finacialism instead.

What WAS ruined was the safety net, but boomers didn't ruin that either. They had a lot of help from politicians who set up the system to begin with. The design was flawed.

Quote:
All that aside...

It's insane that we're putting everybody else's lives on hold because of the chance that the oldest and the sickest among us might catch something.

Well, young people get sick a die from that, too.

Quote:
Instead of shutting everything down and making completely healthy people wear masks

If they were "completely healthy" then wearing a mask wouldn't make a difference to anyone. The problem isn't "completely healthy" people, it's people who are infected but asymptomatic or presymptomatic.

Quote:
with unconstitutional mandates that bypass the normal legislative process and threaten to fine or imprison those who won't abide, why not focus on the problem itself?

Make better masks and the old and sick people can wear them.

The problem is the virus, not "old people". YOUNG PEOPLE get sick and die from it too. Think of like the polio epidemic. I think that's a better analogy than the Spanish flu.

Quote:
I said early on that this was all a grand social experiment. I still think that this is true. And the psychological impact is going to be felt for generations to come if we don't stop this nonsense.

Imagine being a kid growing up in a world where they can't go to school like normal and need to maintain social distance of 6 feet and wear masks in public for years without any end in sight. That IS the future they have to look forward to if their parents don't start pushing back.

Yanno, peole like you have been complaining that schools were just centers for mass indoctrination. I'd think you would WELCOME children being homeschooled.

Quote:
And when Trump wins, expect at least 4 more years of this craziness, perpetuated by the Legacy Media. My guess is that if Biden won they'd almost immediately stop talking about it.

I agree with you there. But whether the media shuts up about it or not, the situation on the ground remains the same.
-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 28, 2020 1:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Biden knows he can fix the goddamn problem...

Biden couldn't pick his wife out of a lineup consisting of his wife and sister.

Biden doesn't know shit anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 28, 2020 1:16 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Biden knows he can fix the goddamn problem...

Biden couldn't pick his wife out of a lineup consisting of his wife and sister.

Biden doesn't know shit anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

If there was a comparison between FDR and Herbert Hoover, FDR was the dummy, but FDR listened to the experts who told him how to drag America out of the Great Depression, while Hoover would not do what needed to be done. Trump won't do what needs to be done about Covid-19. Biden is not so stupid to ignore the experts and do as Trump did.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 28, 2020 2:55 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Biden knows he can fix the goddamn problem...

Biden couldn't pick his wife out of a lineup consisting of his wife and sister.

Biden doesn't know shit anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

President Donald Trump shared a slew of social media posts Monday containing a wildly misleading video about the coronavirus, prompting Facebook, Google, and Twitter all to remove the Trump-amplified misinformation but not until it had been viewed tens of millions of times. The video appears to have been spawned by a Trumpy group called the Tea Party Patriots and was then pushed by the far-right site Breitbart early on Monday. The conspiratorial video boosts some of Trump’s personal faves that, counter to scientific evidence, the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine is a cure for the virus, masks are ineffective, and lockdowns to slow the virus are an unnecessary ruse. While Trump parrots those conspiratorial talking points in the Oval Office, the Rose Garden, and anywhere he pleases from the highest elected office in the land, the companies said the video was removed because it runs afoul of each company’s rules regarding COVID-19 misinformation.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/07/facebook-twitter-youtube-r
emove-trump-viral-video-coronavirus-conspiracies.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

JACK, you really need to think logically.

OLD people aren't the problem when it comes to SS, Medicare/ Medicaid, food stamps etc, OR the environment (you failed to mention your favorite hobby horse) OR unemployment (another government benefit!) because - as you've noted - they're OLD. They're not going to have children and their time on this earth is limited anyway.

YOUNG people are going to do so much more damage in everything!

If you're really, REALLY focused on just making sure you get 'your' entitled future, you need to focus on young people, because they are going to bleed you and the planet dry.

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:43 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Biden is not so stupid to ignore the experts

Yep, like I said: He'll be a sock puppet with a hand stuck up his ass.

Do you really trust the "experts" who'll be telling Biden what to do? Because those "experts" will prolly be the banks; transnational corporations like big pharma, big ag and tech; and our spook state.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:47 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Biden is not so stupid to ignore the experts
Yep, like I said: He'll be a sock puppet with a hand stuck up his ass.

Do you really trust the "experts" who'll be telling Biden what to do? Because those "experts" will prolly be the banks; transnational corporations like big pharma, big ag and tech; and our spook state.

I will point you to Trump's behavior from yesterday:

President Donald Trump shared a slew of social media posts Monday containing a wildly misleading video about the coronavirus, prompting Facebook, Google, and Twitter all to remove the Trump-amplified misinformation but not until it had been viewed tens of millions of times. The video appears to have been spawned by a Trumpy group called the Tea Party Patriots and was then pushed by the far-right site Breitbart early on Monday. The conspiratorial video boosts some of Trump’s personal faves that, counter to scientific evidence, the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine is a cure for the virus, masks are ineffective, and lockdowns to slow the virus are an unnecessary ruse. While Trump parrots those conspiratorial talking points in the Oval Office, the Rose Garden, and anywhere he pleases from the highest elected office in the land, the companies said the video was removed because it runs afoul of each company’s rules regarding COVID-19 misinformation.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/07/facebook-twitter-youtube-r
emove-trump-viral-video-coronavirus-conspiracies.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Hard as it might be for you to understand, I prefer a loose cannon to a deepstate's sock puppet who is laser-focused on selling us downriver.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"What happened to 'America first '"

Just to get back to the OT for a second - I'm still wondering what's so bad about putting America first.

Sometimes, the way to get greater benefits is to act in coordination with others. Sometimes it's to compete with them. And sometimes it's to ignore them and do what you need to do irrespective of others. Those are all mechanisms to achieve a goal, they aren't the goal itself.

But the GOAL should be to benefit Americans. Because isn't that why America was created? To be a "government of the people, by the people, for the people"? Or, if you go back further in time a government constituted by- and benefiting of- "We the People of the United States".

Why is stating that a problem?

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Saturday, August 1, 2020 4:12 PM