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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've been hearing weird info about the incident of her death.


What seems to be universally understood:

Police executed a Search Warrant, at around 3am, at the wrong address.


The first shot fired was from Breoanna's boyfriend, who shot and injured at least one cop.

Cops returned fire, including some wayward shots into adjoining apartments. Breoanna was shot in this return fire, and died from these wounds.


The release of the Grand Jury report reveals that, whether or not it was a No-Knock Warrant, it was not served as a No-Knock Warrant. Meaning the cops knocked first.



What I had thought I'd heard, but not sure the source:

Whether knock and announced or not, cops had broken through the door to the apartment.
And the boyfriend shot at the cops who were within the apartment.


But now I have heard that the cops knocked, announced, did not break into the apartment, and waited in the hallway for somebody to answer the door.
Then without exchanging words with the cops, the boyfriend started shooting at the cops through the door, while the cops were in the hallway.
Then cops returned fire, presumably also through the door, while still in the hallway.


This new version of events sounds really fishy.

Not that we will ever know for sure, with BLM and Antifags dreaming up and spouting fictional narratives for the past few months, but it would be nice to have a clearer picture of the facts.



To be clear, I do find this event to be horrific. I consider the persons at fault to be the clowns who got the address wrong, and who also did not know who was inside the residence that they were serving the warrant on. These are unlikely the cops who actual performed the entry. These responsible parties should be fired for certain, and also jailed. Perhaps for negligent homicide or dereliction of duty, but certainly it must be made clear that these minor technicalities are not to be sneezed at if you want to remain out of prison. This also includes the "supervisors" who kludged together these unsychronized units from the point of error to those who executed the warrant. I don't care if they were cops, prosecutors, clerks making typos, whatever.


Detective Joshua Jaynes sought the Warrant, and apparently was not present to serve it.
Sgt. Mattingly was shot by the boyfriend, Kenneth Walker.
Detective Cosgrove fired the specific round which was declared to have "killed" Breonna, although I heard she was shot 8 times in the crossfire.
Detective Hankinson was not injured by gunfire, and apparently did not hit Breonna or Walker, or anybody else, with his gunfire. He has been fired.



I am not finding any transcript of the Grand Jury Report.

Transcript of the Press Briefing:
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/0
9/23/breonna-taylor-decision-kentucky-ag-daniel-cameron/3507419001/

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've been hearing weird info about the incident of her death.


What seems to be universally understood:

Police executed a Search Warrant, at around 3am, at the wrong address.


The first shot fired was from Breoanna's boyfriend, who shot and injured at least one cop.

Cops returned fire, including some wayward shots into adjoining apartments. Breoanna was shot in this return fire, and died from these wounds.


The release of the Grand Jury report reveals that, whether or not it was a No-Knock Warrant, it was not served as a No-Knock Warrant. Meaning the cops knocked first.



What I had thought I'd heard, but not sure the source:

Whether knock and announced or not, cops had broken through the door to the apartment.
And the boyfriend shot at the cops who were within the apartment.


But now I have heard that the cops knocked, announced, did not break into the apartment, and waited in the hallway for somebody to answer the door.
Then without exchanging words with the cops, the boyfriend started shooting at the cops through the door, while the cops were in the hallway.
Then cops returned fire, presumably also through the door, while still in the hallway.


This new version of events sounds really fishy.

Not that we will ever know for sure, with BLM and Antifags dreaming up and spouting fictional narratives for the past few months, but it would be nice to have a clearer picture of the facts.



To be clear, I do find this event to be horrific. I consider the persons at fault to be the clowns who got the address wrong, and who also did not know who was inside the residence that they were serving the warrant on. These are unlikely the cops who actual performed the entry. These responsible parties should be fired for certain, and also jailed. Perhaps for negligent homicide or dereliction of duty, but certainly it must be made clear that these minor technicalities are not to be sneezed at if you want to remain out of prison. This also includes the "supervisors" who kludged together these unsychronized units from the point of error to those who executed the warrant. I don't care if they were cops, prosecutors, clerks making typos, whatever.


Detective Joshua Jaynes sought the Warrant, and apparently was not present to serve it.
Sgt. Mattingly was shot by the boyfriend, Kenneth Walker.
Detective Cosgrove fired the specific round which was declared to have "killed" Breonna, although I heard she was shot 8 times in the crossfire.
Detective Hankinson was not injured by gunfire, and apparently did not hit Breonna or Walker, or anybody else, with his gunfire. He has been fired.



I am not finding any transcript of the Grand Jury Report.

Transcript of the Press Briefing:
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/0
9/23/breonna-taylor-decision-kentucky-ag-daniel-cameron/3507419001/

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Originally posted by whozit:
LPD said they were not wearing body cams...odd?

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

Pro tip: If you're going to break into someone's house, just yell "Police!" as you are doing so. They can't legally stop you!

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
She was (I think) the fifth no-knock in the area which also just happens to be an area in development.

I have ZERO doubts they executed her for not selling out.

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LPD said they were not wearing body cams...odd?

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Detectives were not, beat cops were.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This isn't the first tragic death resulting from "no knock" or "quick knock" (knock and enter immediately) warrants, and unless noknock/quickknock searches are outlawed it won't be the last.

There's so much that can go wrong with no knock warrants, and when they're executed on innocent people what happens is often exactly what happened with Breonna Taylor: innocent people hear someone breaking in, shoot to defend themselves, and are killed in a fusilade of bullets.

The Supreme Court has allowed wide latitude to local judges and police to use no-knock warrants, local judges approve the vast majority of them, in some jurisdictions converting regular search warrants to no-knocks without even being requested by the police.

This is all part of the "war on drugs".

I say, end the practice of no-knock and quick-knock warrants. Police still have the authority to enter a home under exigent circumstances
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/exigent_circumstances and avoid the necessity of having any kind of warrant altogether, but there is a higher threshhold. And, to prevent police from fabricating/planting evidence to justify an unjustified "exigent circumstances" entry, every officer entering a home must be wearing a body cam.

Another practice that should be ended: civil asset forfeiture.

Chokeholds should also be outlawed. A knee on someone's neck no bueno. I have seen a knee on someone's upper back to restrain them while cuffing, tho, and that seems reasonable. Once cuffed, restraints should be let up. There is no reason to keep someone down forcibly if they're cuffed behind their back. And if police are worried about someone small "jump roping" their handcuffs, how about ankle shackles?

And for people who are just out of control (high on drugs, crazy, sick) I still think a tranquilizer dart might be a reasonable option, as long as EMTs are there to manage the resuts, otherwise you're left with tasers, physical restraints. batons, and bullets.

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Originally posted by whozit:
Sig, they did knock, the cop who shot her shot her threw her bedroom window not the front door. The more I read about this the more I'm sure the cops fucked up, that's why the city paid the family $12 mill. Go to Wikipedia and read about this, the MSM is only interested in burning Auto Parts Stores.

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SIGNYM:
This isn't the first tragic death resulting from "no knock" or "quick knock" (knock and enter immediately) warrants, and unless noknock/quickknock searches are outlawed it won't be the last.

There's so much that can go wrong with no knock warrants, and when they're executed on innocent people what happens is often exactly what happened with Breonna Taylor: innocent people hear someone breaking in, shoot to defend themselves, and are killed in a fusilade of bullets.

The Supreme Court has allowed wide latitude to local judges and police to use no-knock warrants, local judges approve the vast majority of them, in some jurisdictions converting regular search warrants to no-knocks without even being requested by the police.

This is all part of the "war on drugs".

I say, end the practice of no-knock and quick-knock warrants. Police still have the authority to enter a home under exigent circumstances
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/exigent_circumstances and avoid the necessity of having any kind of warrant altogether, but there is a higher threshhold. And, to prevent police from fabricating/planting evidence to justify an unjustified "exigent circumstances" entry, every officer entering a home must be wearing a body cam.

Another practice that should be ended: civil asset forfeiture.

Chokeholds should also be outlawed. A knee on someone's neck no bueno. I have seen a knee on someone's upper back to restrain them while cuffing, tho, and that seems reasonable. Once cuffed, restraints should be let up. There is no reason to keep someone down forcibly if they're cuffed behind their back. And if police are worried about someone small "jump roping" their handcuffs, how about ankle shackles?

And for people who are just out of control (high on drugs, crazy, sick) I still think a tranquilizer dart might be a reasonable option, as long as EMTs are there to manage the resuts, otherwise you're left with tasers, physical restraints. batons, and bullets.

JSF: I have long thought No-Knock Warrants were a major problem. But without them, all the criminals rush to flush all evidence down the toilet before answering the door.
But No-Knock Warrants should have a far higher level of review and coordination/sychronization. Ensuring the address is correct, ensuring the occupants are correct, ensuring the officer seeking the warrant relays every detail to the Entry Team. The "supervisors" or authoritive party should be held more at much higher level of responsibility, and they are not.

Asset Forfeiture has always been a problem. If not deleted, it should at minimum be severely tweaked.

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Definition

Exigent circumstances - circumstances would cause a reasonable person to believe that entry (or other relevant prompt action) was necessary to prevent physical harm to the officers or other persons, the destruction of relevant evidence, the escape of the suspect, or some other consequence improperly frustrating legitimate law enforcement efforts."

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
When Breoanna's reincarnation is of dating age I suggest she find better men to hang out with.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Outside of Crazyworld, how does this work when they are renting an apartment? The pregnant women next door was more desirable to the developers than the EMT?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All I know about her is that her parents didn't know how to spell Brianna.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I bet myself that no cops would be charged because they followed the rules.

It's the rules that are fucked up, that should be on trial.

Here we have 2 people who didn't do anything wrong, who were confronted with people violently breaking into their home, in the middle of the night, while they were sleeping.

Jeeze.

How could it be that nobody in authority foresaw the potential for things to go wrong with no-knock warrants in the middle of the night?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
When Breoanna's reincarnation is of dating age I suggest she find better men to hang out with.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
When Breoanna's reincarnation is of dating age I suggest she find better men to hang out with.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Blame the victim. That's what pussies do. And you're a massive pussy.

Also, the video I so thoughtfully provided CRUSHES all the fascist talking points with ease.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
snicker

The more you show how little you know, the harder I laugh.

But I gotta ask - when you say 'bunch of' I presume you mean '2', which includes Signy. So what did Signy ever do to you to deserve that, except treat you decently? and, yanno, overlook your follies?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

And nobody's going to watch your millennial soy cuck propaganda videos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I bet myself that no cops would be charged because they followed the rules.

It's the rules that are fucked up, that should be on trial.

Here we have 2 people who didn't do anything wrong, who were confronted with people violently breaking into their home, in the middle of the night, while they were sleeping.

Jeeze.

How could it be that nobody in authority foresaw the potential for things to go wrong with no-knock warrants in the middle of the night?

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Outside of Crazyworld, how does this work when they are renting an apartment? The pregnant women next door was more desirable to the developers than the EMT?

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Sorry, I hadn't seen the updated version since it happened... they executed HER because HE would not get out. Guess they got the message...

https://www.thecut.com/2020/09/breonna-taylor-louisville-shooting-poli
ce-what-we-know.html

"In an amended complaint to their lawsuit, Taylor’s lawyers add the claim that Glover himself was unjustly targeted by a special police squad called Place-Based Investigation, because he was one of the “primary roadblocks” to gentrification in the area — the Russell neighborhood of Louisville in which Glover rented his home is part of a multimillion-dollar city revitalization effort called Vision Russell. According to the complaint, Glover was arrested for a second time on April 23. The city then moved to purchase his house, one of several recent foreclosure acquisitions in the area; in June, the city finally acquired it for $17,000. Taylor’s attorneys argue that Taylor was included in the search warrant targeted at Glover as part of the trumped-up set of accusations against him, fueled by the city’s desire to remove him from the neighborhood."

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Police records show that Taylor wasn’t the main subject of the police investigation the night she died. It instead focused on Jamarcus Glover, an ex-boyfriend of Taylor’s with whom her family says she maintained a “passive” relationship. In the affidavit seeking a search warrant for Taylor’s house, Detective Joshua Jaynes wrote that he had seen Glover leave Taylor’s apartment in January with a USPS package before driving to a “known drug house” more than ten miles away. A judge then signed off on the warrant, including a “no knock” provision that allowed law-enforcement officers to enter Taylor’s house without identifying themselves.

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1KIKI:
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The more you show how little you know, the harder I laugh.

But I gotta ask - when you say 'bunch of' I presume you mean '2', which includes Signy. So what did Signy ever do to you to deserve that, except treat you decently? and, yanno, overlook your follies?


SIX: Deserve what?

I don't offer any apologies for what I say.

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Signy knows who I am and continues to converse with me. I don't go around telling her that she shouldn't talk to you because you're a Nilbog level basic bitch.

We've all got follies, Princess.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I bet myself that no cops would be charged because they followed the rules.

It's the rules that are fucked up, that should be on trial.

Here we have 2 people who didn't do anything wrong, who were confronted with people violently breaking into their home, in the middle of the night, while they were sleeping.

Jeeze.

How could it be that nobody in authority foresaw the potential for things to go wrong with no-knock warrants in the middle of the night?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I did not frame this thread in such a way, since I mentally assumed any reasonable person would see it, but I see now that we should point out that this Breonna death was obviously not a Black/White issue, but instead an issue of civil rights vs. overzealous judges, overzealous prosecutors, overzealous cops. The judges should be protecting us from these horrific practices. How can No-Knock Warrants coexist in a world with Castle Doctrine?

Whites are just as victimized as black on this issue.

I don't recall that Donald P. Scott was black.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Donald_Scott

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forfeiture_Endangers_American_Rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_off
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not a fan of no knock warrants. I'm no fan of warrants in general.

In fact, I think the only thing a warrant should allow is for police to come inside to detain you ONLY if you refuse to go willingly when an arrest warrant is presented, and ONLY specifically for the purpose of getting you out of the dwelling and into custody.

But I also realize that's easier for me to say since I'm not a criminal and I've generally lived in areas with average to below average crime rates.


That being said, if anybody is really looking for an argument that is PRO no-knock warrant, I would say it's right here in front of you.

Had the police not knocked and giving warning ahead of time, Brianna and her boyfriend would not have been standing in the hallway, and her boyfriend would not have shot at cops outside their door.



And really... what happened there? 20 shots were fired back, Brianna takes 6 of them and shitstain doesn't even get scratched? Did he use her as a human shield?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not a fan of no knock warrants. I'm no fan of warrants in general.

In fact, I think the only thing a warrant should allow is for police to come inside to detain you ONLY if you refuse to go willingly when an arrest warrant is presented, and ONLY specifically for the purpose of getting you out of the dwelling and into custody.

But I also realize that's easier for me to say since I'm not a criminal and I've generally lived in areas with average to below average crime rates.


That being said, if anybody is really looking for an argument that is PRO no-knock warrant, I would say it's right here in front of you.

Had the police not knocked and giving warning ahead of time, Brianna and her boyfriend would not have been standing in the hallway, and her boyfriend would not have shot at cops outside their door.



And really... what happened there? 20 shots were fired back, Brianna takes 6 of them and shitstain doesn't even get scratched? Did he use her as a human shield?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Typical trumptard. It's every one else's faulty you're a dimwitted loser with no friends.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not a fan of no knock warrants. I'm no fan of warrants in general.

In fact, I think the only thing a warrant should allow is for police to come inside to detain you ONLY if you refuse to go willingly when an arrest warrant is presented, and ONLY specifically for the purpose of getting you out of the dwelling and into custody.

But I also realize that's easier for me to say since I'm not a criminal and I've generally lived in areas with average to below average crime rates.


That being said, if anybody is really looking for an argument that is PRO no-knock warrant, I would say it's right here in front of you.

Had the police not knocked and giving warning ahead of time, Brianna and her boyfriend would not have been standing in the hallway, and her boyfriend would not have shot at cops outside their door.



And really... what happened there? 20 shots were fired back, Brianna takes 6 of them and shitstain doesn't even get scratched? Did he use her as a human shield?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not a fan of no knock warrants. I'm no fan of warrants in general.

In fact, I think the only thing a warrant should allow is for police to come inside to detain you ONLY if you refuse to go willingly when an arrest warrant is presented, and ONLY specifically for the purpose of getting you out of the dwelling and into custody.

But I also realize that's easier for me to say since I'm not a criminal and I've generally lived in areas with average to below average crime rates.


That being said, if anybody is really looking for an argument that is PRO no-knock warrant, I would say it's right here in front of you.

Had the police not knocked and giving warning ahead of time, Brianna and her boyfriend would not have been standing in the hallway, and her boyfriend would not have shot at cops outside their door.



And really... what happened there? 20 shots were fired back, Brianna takes 6 of them and shitstain doesn't even get scratched? Did he use her as a human shield?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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SIX, apparently you can't read. Quick knock is like no knock. THE POLICE DON'T WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO OPEN THE DOOR. Whether they don't knock and break in, or knock and break in, is only a matter of a pro forma knock and maybe all of 10 seconds, at most.

I'm proposing that BOTH no knock AND quick knock be abolished.

If the police have a valid warrant and the residents don't open the door, they have the authority to break the door down anyway. But they must have either gotten a response from a resident or waited a sufficient amount of time to ascertain that they aren't about to get one

Yes, that gives residents a chance to set up an ambush, but that's where SWAT comes in.

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Ms. Taylor and her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, had been in bed, but got up when they heard a loud banging at the door. Mr. Walker said he and Ms. Taylor both called out, asking who was at the door. Mr. Walker later told the police he feared it was Ms. Taylor’s ex-boyfriend trying to break in.

After the police broke the door off its hinges, Mr. Walker fired his gun once, striking Sergeant Mattingly in a thigh. The police responded by firing several shots, striking Ms. Taylor five times.

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