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"A psychopath": Psychologists call Trump the "most psychiatrically disordered president in history"

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Monday, September 28, 2020 3:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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SECONDRATE: Signym, what the hell is wrong with you? The Federal government is running a multi-trillion dollar deficit per year because taxes are NOT being collected.
NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE. The biggest problem with the Federal government is the roughly $23 trillion in expenses not properly accounted for (mostly thru the Pentagon and HUD), the TAX LAWS that give the wealthy and corporations giant tax breaks, and the enormously expensive wars and weapons programs that cost trillions of dollars but don't benefit the USA.

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SECONDRATE: I am absolutely certain, from talking to people about accounting and business, that Trump's tax cheating has made them realize that they can cheat and not get caught because IRS audits can't drill down deep enough since the IRS does not have the personnel nor the budget to do serious forensic auditing.
Well, maybe if someone simplified the tax rules .... complex rules created so that the wealthy can play shell games with their money and keep it out of government hands ... maybe the accounting wouldn't be so difficult.

You know as well as I, SECONDRATE, that the rules are made by the wealthy, for the wealthy, so they can continue to stay wealthy. If you don't want the IRS to have to play a cat-and-mouse game with the elites, don't set one up in the first place.

Oh, yeah ... and put an end to those unfunded 'wars' like the GWOT that never make it into the budget to begin with. Don't let Congress lie about the liability of major programs like Medicare part D, and make sure there is a funding source before spending major money. Also, grow the economy (jobs, production) instead of converting it to financialism.

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Monday, September 28, 2020 3:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


AFA Trump and taxes ... Trump is doing what every other wealthy person, like Warren Buffet, does with taxes: use the loopholes afforded to him by a generous Congress, which takes care of its wealthy donors.

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The reason, [for not paying income taxes] as was already largely known, Trump had generated nearly $1 billion in casino-linked losses in the 1990s and onward (incidentally, loss carryfowards or NOLs are perfectly acceptable and legal instrument which anyone can apply against future income) and which offset much of the money that he made.


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Monday, September 28, 2020 5:02 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Five volumes of evidence, 1kiki.
And yet, you can't find a single one to post.

Still seeing no evidence.

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Monday, September 28, 2020 7:15 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

We are talking about two different investigations. Or hadn't you noticed?

The FIB "investigated" Trump and his campaign before Mueller was ever brought on board That's what all that surveillance and phonied-up FISA warrants were all about. And what was the FIB "investigating" (i.e. concocting)? COLLUSION. Cooperation and coordination between the Trump campaign, and Russia.

Trump’s reckless “treason” accusation against the FBI, explained straight out of the authoritarian playbook.

President Donald Trump on Friday morning accused the Obama-era FBI of “TREASON,” and called for people to serve “long jail sentences” as a result.

Trump’s accusation is transparently meritless, but that’s beside the point. Heading into his 2020 reelection campaign, Trump — with help from new Attorney General William Barr — is trying to establish a narrative that the entire investigation into his campaign’s contacts with Russia stemmed from anti-Trump bias in the law enforcement and intelligence communities, not his campaign’s secretive contacts with people in the Kremlin’s orbit. Trump wants to portray himself as a victim and Obama-era officials as bad actors who had it out for him from the beginning.

To that end, Trump is now using his social media platforms to unequivocally call for his perceived enemies to be imprisoned for crimes they did not commit. It’s troubling and abnormal behavior for a president.

www.vox.com/2019/5/17/18629175/trump-treason-fbi-russia

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 28, 2020 7:31 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
AFA Trump and taxes ... Trump is doing what every other wealthy person, like Warren Buffet, does with taxes: use the loopholes afforded to him by a generous Congress, which takes care of its wealthy donors.

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The reason, [for not paying income taxes] as was already largely known, Trump had generated nearly $1 billion in casino-linked losses in the 1990s and onward (incidentally, loss carryfowards or NOLs are perfectly acceptable and legal instrument which anyone can apply against future income) and which offset much of the money that he made.

Trump does not agree with you. He said that he did NOT have yearly multi-million dollar loses. If there were truth in what he said, he couldn't be using loopholes to lower his taxes. There is a simple bar chart clarifying the loses that Trump crazily insists did NOT happen:

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/09/donald-trump-has-been-l
osing-money-every-year-since-2012
/

I think Trump needs to provide his tax returns to the public so that they can decide whether he is either a very incompetent businessman or a very crazy liar/tax-cheater. Don't forget this thread is titled Psychologists call Trump the "most psychotically disordered president in history". His tax returns are physical evidence about his mental state over many years.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 28, 2020 8:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You idiots forgot you tried the tax angle before and it went nowhere.

You've run out of ideas.

Tom Hanks already got the hell out because he knows who wins in November.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, September 28, 2020 10:40 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You idiots forgot you tried the tax angle before and it went nowhere.

You've run out of ideas.

Tom Hanks already got the hell out because he knows who wins in November.

Donald Trump's tax returns reveal why he *really* ran for president (Short version: Trump knows 6ix and Wacko Americans are extremely gullible.)

Donald Trump needed a new act.

By 2015, more than a decade removed from the smashing success of "The Apprentice," Trump's brand -- always his most marketable and valuable commodity -- was foundering, his golf courses were losing loads of money and he had nine-figure loans coming due. (We know all of that thanks to blockbuster reporting from The New York Times that reveals Trump paid $750 in taxes in 2016 -- and no taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years.)

So he ran for president. Which, in retrospect, makes all the sense in the world.
Trump had flirted with running for national office in the past -- he made overtures in 1988, 2000, 2004 and 2012 -- but had demurred, having achieved his goal of getting a bunch of free press for himself.

But his situation was different in 2015. He was no longer riding high financially or otherwise. He was seen less as a business titan and A-list celebrity -- and much more as a a cultural curiosity, a sort of has-been throwback to the 1980s. Flirting with a run for president wasn't enough; he needed to go further this time as a way to restart a flagging brand.

Everything from the early days of Trump's presidential candidacy suggest that this was much more about boosting a brand than any serious campaign to actually wind up as the Republican presidential nominee.

"Mr. Trump announced a campaign that seemed a long shot to win, but was almost certain to bring him newfound attention, at the same time that his businesses were in need of a new approach," wrote the Times' David Leonhardt about Trump's taxes -- and his 2016 bid.

The announcement of his candidacy at Trump Tower -- after the descent down his gold escalator -- was essentially a free TV ad for the Trump brand.

More at https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/28/politics/donald-trump-tax-returns-new-y
ork-times/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 28, 2020 10:48 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nobody cares about his taxes.

They didn't 4 years ago. They didn't 3 years ago.

Nothing you have tried so far has worked.

45.3% approval in the aggregate.

Debate night destruction of the "best" you could put up is one night away.


Trump wins in a landslide.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, September 28, 2020 10:48 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I don't care about how a Billionaire became a politician.

I'm more interested in how a politician became a Millionaire.


Looking at you, Nancy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, September 28, 2020 10:56 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares about his taxes.

They didn't 4 years ago. They didn't 3 years ago.

Nothing you have tried so far has worked.

45.3% approval in the aggregate.

Debate night destruction of the "best" you could put up is one night away.


Trump wins in a landslide.

Trump has always been obviously crazy, even on the first day of his campaign:

Trump's announcement speech itself featured Trump touting his building and its air conditioning (not kidding) as well as his golf courses. ("I have the best courses in the world, so I'd say, you what, if [Obama] wants to— I have one right next to the White House, right on the Potomac. If he'd like to play, that's fine.") He also mentioned he "just sold an apartment for $15 million to somebody from China" and that he owned a "big chunk of the Bank of America Building at 1290 Avenue of the Americas ... very valuable." And that he was "really rich." And that he was "proud of (his) net worth" because he had "done an amazing job." (As far as I can tell, I'm actually richer than the fat dumb fucker. His bragging about his fake wealth/net worth does not qualify him to be president.)

More at https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/28/politics/donald-trump-tax-returns-new-y
ork-times/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 28, 2020 11:12 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares about his taxes.



Except people with jobs who pay their taxes.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
They didn't 4 years ago. They didn't 3 years ago.



Nah - we still care that our president is a lying sack of sh*t.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nothing you have tried so far has worked.



Draining the swamp is tough work.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
45.3% approval in the aggregate.



So he loses - great, thanks for the tip.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Debate night destruction of the "best" you could put up is one night away.



We look forward to your heavily re-edited juvenile frat boy version complete with fart sounds.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump wins in a landslide.



You better hope so - Otherwise you're going to look like the biggest, empty headed dipsh*t on the Internet.

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Monday, September 28, 2020 3:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You just did a Trump, SECOND.

Claimed you had 5 VOLUMES! of evidence, but bailed when asked to produce even one example. And I bet you'll continue to ignore your inability to produce even one example and instead troll everyone else over everything else. Moving right along ... eh, SECOND?

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Five volumes of evidence, 1kiki.
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And yet, you can't find a single one to post.

Still seeing no evidence.


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Monday, September 28, 2020 3:53 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You just did a Trump, SECOND.

Claimed you had 5 VOLUMES! of evidence, but bailed when asked to produce even one example. And I bet you'll continue to ignore your inability to produce even one example and instead troll everyone else over everything else. Moving right along ... eh, SECOND?

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Five volumes of evidence, 1kiki.
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And yet, you can't find a single one to post.

Still seeing no evidence.


I'm not printing and mailing the five volumes to you. I'm not going to read the five volumes to you. Go here, get them all by yourself, and read them:

www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-volume-5-bipar
tisan-russia-report


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 28, 2020 4:27 PM

REAVERFAN






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Monday, September 28, 2020 4:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




You just did a Trump, SECOND.

Claimed you had 5 VOLUMES! of evidence, but bailed when asked to produce even one example. And I bet you'll continue to ignore your inability to produce even one example and instead troll everyone else over everything else. Moving right along ... eh, SECOND?

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Five volumes of evidence, 1kiki.
Quote:

And yet, you can't find a single one to post.

Still seeing no evidence.

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I'm not printing and mailing the five volumes to you. I'm not going to read the five volumes to you.
Apparently you haven't read any of it. And you don't know if there's even one little smidge of 'evidence' let alone 5 VOLUMES of it.

Still seeing not even one bit of any of that EVIDENCE that you claimed to have, SECOND.

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Monday, September 28, 2020 5:22 PM

REAVERFAN






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Monday, September 28, 2020 5:31 PM

REAVERFAN






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Monday, September 28, 2020 6:04 PM

REAVERFAN


New book details the way Russians funneled money through Trump’s real estate empire using a money laundering middleman
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/new-book-details-the-way-russians-fun
neled-money-through-trumps-real-estate-empire-using-a-money-laundering-middleman
/

Wow. If only we had some sort of heads up about this...



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Monday, September 28, 2020 6:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by reaverfan:
New book details the way Russians funneled money through Trump’s real estate empire using a money laundering middleman
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/new-book-details-the-way-russians-fun
neled-money-through-trumps-real-estate-empire-using-a-money-laundering-middleman
/

Wow. If only we had some sort of heads up about this...






Marcos still thinks that the Harry Potter books were a documentary on Hogwarts.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, September 28, 2020 6:30 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares about his taxes.



Except people with jobs who pay their taxes.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
They didn't 4 years ago. They didn't 3 years ago.



Nah - we still care that our president is a lying sack of sh*t.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nothing you have tried so far has worked.



Draining the swamp is tough work.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
45.3% approval in the aggregate.



So he loses - great, thanks for the tip.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Debate night destruction of the "best" you could put up is one night away.



We look forward to your heavily re-edited juvenile frat boy version complete with fart sounds.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump wins in a landslide.



You better hope so - Otherwise you're going to look like the biggest, empty headed dipsh*t on the Internet.





I didn't rub it in your face when I was right in 2016. In fact, I tried mending bridges here the night he won.

But after 4 years of taking all of your collective bullshit I am very much looking forward to rubbing my asshole all over your face.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, September 28, 2020 6:38 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:


You just did a Trump, SECOND.

Claimed you had 5 VOLUMES! of evidence, but bailed when asked to produce even one example. And I bet you'll continue to ignore your inability to produce even one example and instead troll everyone else over everything else. Moving right along ... eh, SECOND?

Quote:

Five volumes of evidence, 1kiki.
Quote:

And yet, you can't find a single one to post.

Still seeing no evidence.

Quote:

I'm not printing and mailing the five volumes to you. I'm not going to read the five volumes to you.
Apparently you haven't read any of it. And you don't know if there's even one little smidge of 'evidence' let alone 5 VOLUMES of it.

Still seeing not even one bit of any of that EVIDENCE that you claimed to have, SECOND.

If I start cutting and pasting from the 5 volumes to fff.net, how does that make you stop saying NO EVIDENCE? I am curious to know how that will force you to admit the Russians interfered with the 2016 election. Trump has the 5 volumes, too, and that did not make him stop saying crazy things. He still says "Russia-Russia-Russia!" at his election rallies.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 28, 2020 6:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Still no evidence.

BTW - evidence isn't somebody's say-so. Because people can say anything. For example: I am GOD. Just because I said so doesn't make it true.

Just fyi.


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Monday, September 28, 2020 7:03 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Still no evidence.

BTW - evidence isn't somebody's say-so. Because people can say anything. For example: I am GOD. Just because I said so doesn't make it true.

Just fyi.




But if Salon said you were GOD then Second would believe it.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, September 28, 2020 7:04 PM

REAVERFAN






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Monday, September 28, 2020 7:04 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Still no evidence.

BTW - evidence isn't somebody's say-so. Because people can say anything. For example: I am GOD. Just because I said so doesn't make it true.

Just fyi.


Can't read?



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Monday, September 28, 2020 7:13 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Still no evidence.

BTW - evidence isn't somebody's say-so. Because people can say anything. For example: I am GOD.

Just fyi.


1kiki, you are playing a silly game of pseudo-philosophy. Everything in a written report is a person saying something, which would mean it is not evidence because "BTW - evidence isn't somebody's say-so." per 1kiki.

Even Courtroom testimony is a person saying something. So much say-so.

Even if it is a murder trial, and the corpse is brought into evidence, it is still a person saying that this bullet fired from that gun with the defendant's fingerprints all over the gun is NOT evidence because it is just a person's say-so, creating an entertaining story in the minds of the jury.

On the Senate's say-so, an entertaining story for the minds of readers: "The Committee found that the Russian government engaged in an aggressive, multifaceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. Parts of this effort are outlined in the Committee’s earlier volumes on election security, social media, the Obama Administration’s response to the threat, and the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA).

The fifth and final volume focuses on the counterintelligence threat, outlining a wide range of Russian efforts to influence the Trump Campaign and the 2016 election. In this volume the Committee lays out its findings in detail by looking at many aspects of the counterintelligence threat posed by the Russian influence operation."

If you want to read more say-so stories, read www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-volume-5-bipar
tisan-russia-report


Trump says he is not convinced that Russia helped him in 2016. But that's only his say-so. He knows the Russians elected him, but he is too much a pathological liar to admit it.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 28, 2020 7:33 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I only went to July, 2017 in this list of everything you got wrong.

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Originally posted by SECOND:
And the words "Russian collusion" were Trump's words, but what Mueller investigated was "Russian interference" in the 2016 election.


There was you, claiming Trump 'stole' the election.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034047#1034047

Here you claim Russia 'hacked' the DNC and Trump was an 'accessory after the fact' (your words).
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034075#1034075

Here you claim to know what Trump is thinking! and that those idea are 'of Russian origin'.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034158#1034158

Here you claim that Trump hiding his tax returns is because he 'must be hiding something criminal'.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034205#1034205

Here you predict Mueller will find something that'll get rid of Trump.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034210#1034210

Here you claim that Trump is in Putin's pocket.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&mid=1
034212#1034212

"Team Trump keeps swearing they’ve disclosed everything and there’s no there there." For once you got something right, and even Mueller eventually agreed.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034227#1034227

"So, where's that evidence?" I asked, and once again you failed to come up with any.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034228#1034228

Here you predict Mueller's report will have evidence, given time.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034264#1034264

Here you claim people in the Trump campaign colluded with Russians to hack the DNC.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034328#1034328

Here you claim Trump's tax returns will be the 'evidence' needed to prove Trump's innocence, because guilty until proved innocent.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034369#1034369

When asked for evidence of Trump colluding with Putin, or being in his pocket (presumably from kompromat), you bail. Again.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034392#1034392

Here you claim that the lack of evidence in the WaPo for their claims is proof of the reporters' honesty.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034407#1034407

Here you claim there are 'things' we don't know about Russian collusion because there are still months to go in the Mueller investigation.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61760&mid=1
034408#1034408




Your record of shilling every phony claim - and being wrong - is quite stellar.

Found this post hidden on the first page. It should be reposted on each page.

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Monday, September 28, 2020 7:36 PM

REAVERFAN


Trump's Tax Returns Have Exposed Him as a Massive Failure Who Thrived in the Age of Plutocracy
The New York Times report is the final and conclusive evidence that the president failed at a time in which politics and government were rearranged to keep his particular genre of failure ever from being fatal.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a34192749/trump-tax-ret
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Monday, September 28, 2020 7:37 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Your record of shilling every phony claim - and being wrong - is quite stellar.

Found this post hidden on the first page. It should be reposted on each page.
Not wrong. You're just a Russian troll. Nothing you say matters at all.



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Monday, September 28, 2020 7:48 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I only went to July, 2017 in this list of everything you got wrong.

Here you claim there are 'things' we don't know about Russian collusion because there are still months to go in the Mueller investigation.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61760&mid=1
034408#1034408


Your record of shilling every phony claim - and being wrong - is quite stellar.

Found this post hidden on the first page. It should be reposted on each page.

This is what I wrote:

Trump’s favorite newspaper said “Trump Jr. is an Idiot”. Yes, Don Jr. is an idiot. But that’s also the primary defense of Don Sr.

Of course, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort were also in this perfectly legal meeting with a Russian, and they weren’t there to talk about Russian adoptions. They were there hoping to get dirt on Hillary Clinton provided by the Russian government. And unlike Don Jr., Manafort was a political pro and Kushner is currently a top White House advisor. What are the odds that they didn’t pass along any of this to Trump Sr.? Hard to say, but the “Junior is an idiot” defense is supposed to keep us from even asking.

Needless to say, the genius of this approach is that Don Jr., is, in fact, an idiot. It’s one of the few opinions that unites our sadly divided country. Another one: Anthony Weiner is an idiot.

Maybe this whole affair really is just the crayon scribblings of the family dolt, but we don’t know that yet. We have many months of investigation to go.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 28, 2020 8:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Still no evidence.

BTW - evidence isn't somebody's say-so. Because people can say anything. For example: I am GOD.

Just fyi.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:

1kiki, you are playing a silly game of pseudo-philosophy. Everything in a written report is a person saying something, which would mean it is not evidence because "BTW - evidence isn't somebody's say-so." per 1kiki.

That's true. It only becomes evidence if statements are said under oath, as testimony, with the ability to be cross-examined; or stipulated; excluding hearsay, of course, which is just gossip. Statements are just .. statements. Even reports are just ... statements, until they meet the criteria of being evidence.
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Even Courtroom testimony is a person saying something. So much say-so.
That's true. It's only evidence if it's said under oath, as testimony, with the ability to be cross-examined; or stipulated. Statements are just .. statements. Even reports are just ... statements, until they meet the criteria of being evidence.
Quote:

Even if it is a murder trial, and the corpse is brought into evidence, it is still a person saying that this bullet fired from that gun with the defendant's fingerprints all over the gun is NOT evidence because it is just a person's say-so, creating an entertaining story in the minds of the jury.
The person's say-so, along with computer analysis, recordings, photographs, and so on ... and the fact that those statements only become evidence if statements are said under oath, as testimony, with the ability to be cross-examined; or stipulated; excluding hearsay, of course, which is just gossip.
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On the Senate's say-so, an entertaining story for the minds of readers: "The Committee found that the Russian government engaged in an aggressive, multifaceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. Parts of this effort are outlined in the Committee’s earlier volumes on election security, social media, the Obama Administration’s response to the threat, and the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA).
Another statement not containing any specific evidence.
Quote:

The fifth and final volume focuses on the counterintelligence threat, outlining a wide range of Russian efforts to influence the Trump Campaign and the 2016 election. In this volume the Committee lays out its findings in detail by looking at many aspects of the counterintelligence threat posed by the Russian influence operation.
SECOND, you are playing a silly game of pseudo-philosophy.

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Monday, September 28, 2020 8:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Meanwhile, to get back to the OT ""A psychopath": Psychologists call Trump the "most psychiatrically disordered president in history"" ...

I presume the entire cast of all 2 psychologists who not only diagnosed Trump in absentia but also diagnosed all other presidents in the entire history of the US for comparison, have achieved their goal ... of now being included in the pantheon of neo-liberaloid talking heads.

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Monday, September 28, 2020 8:34 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Meanwhile, to get back to the OT ""A psychopath": Psychologists call Trump the "most psychiatrically disordered president in history"" ...

I presume the entire cast of all 2 psychologists who not only diagnosed Trump in absentia but also diagnosed all other presidents in the entire history of the US for comparison, have achieved their goal ... of now being included in the pantheon of neo-liberaloid talking heads.

There is Mary Trump's book: Uncle Donald is very sick in the head.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/07/donald-trump-mary-niece-book-e
ight-most-shocking-claims


Donald Trump's ghostwriter says Donald is very sick in the head.
www.salon.com/2020/05/30/art-of-the-deal-ghostwriter-trump-is-driven-b
y-an-insatiable-narcissistic-hunger_partner
/

Donald Trump's sister says Donald is very sick in the head.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/23/donaldtrumpssisterdescribes-us-pre
sident-cruel-liar
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Donald is very sick in the head.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 28, 2020 8:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Note that except for Mary none of the people who wrote that Trump was 'sick in the head' were providing a qualified professional opinion - and since she never treated him per se, she wasn't providing a diagnosis.

Personal feelings aside, even if he's on SOB (as most modern presidents seem to be), their opinions don't prove that Trump is ""A psychopath": Psychologists call Trump THE "most psychiatrically disordered president IN HISTORY"".

Presumably they meant US history.


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Monday, September 28, 2020 8:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Monday, September 28, 2020 9:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Meanwhile, have you come up with any evidence yet from that Senate Report?

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Monday, September 28, 2020 9:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Note that except for Mary none of the people who wrote that Trump was 'sick in the head' were providing a qualified professional opinion - and since she never treated him per se, she wasn't providing a diagnosis.

Personal feelings aside, even if he's on SOB (as most modern presidents seem to be), their opinions don't prove that Trump is ""A psychopath": Psychologists call Trump THE "most psychiatrically disordered president IN HISTORY"".


Despite you and Donald Trump being floridly psychotic, I suspect you would vote for him, assuming on only your say-so that you are not a Russian Troll. You have never presented "evidence" proving eligibility to vote in California.

What does it mean when a person is "floridly psychotic"?
www.quora.com/What-does-it-mean-when-a-person-is-floridly-psychotic

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 28, 2020 9:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Meanwhile, let's recap all the things you couldn't provide any evidence for ...

You provided no evidence of anything criminal in Trump's tax returns.

Or that "Either Trump is crazy or a thief. Could be both."

Or that Trump "cheating" on his tax returns is causing others to 'cheat" on theirs ... or even that Trump is actually "cheating".

Or that he federal government is running a deficit just because "because taxes are NOT being collected".

Or that Trump owes any taxes at all.

You've provided no evidence Trump is "crazy or a criminal".



Then there's the list of the claims you made about Trump (I only went to July, 2017) that were wrong.
Quote:

There was you, claiming Trump 'stole' the election.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034047#1034047

Here you claim Russia 'hacked' the DNC and Trump was an 'accessory after the fact' (your words).
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034075#1034075

Here you claim to know what Trump is thinking! and that those idea are 'of Russian origin'.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034158#1034158

Here you claim that Trump hiding his tax returns is because he 'must be hiding something criminal'.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034205#1034205

Here you predict Mueller will find something that'll get rid of Trump.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034210#1034210

Here you claim that Trump is in Putin's pocket.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&mid=1
034212#1034212

"Team Trump keeps swearing they’ve disclosed everything and there’s no there there." For once you got something right, and even Mueller eventually agreed.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034227#1034227

"So, where's that evidence?" I asked, and once again you failed to come up with any.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034228#1034228

Here you predict Mueller's report will have evidence, given time.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034264#1034264

Here you claim people in the Trump campaign colluded with Russians to hack the DNC.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034328#1034328

Here you claim Trump's tax returns will be the 'evidence' needed to prove Trump's innocence, because guilty until proved innocent.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034369#1034369

When asked for evidence of Trump colluding with Putin, or being in his pocket (presumably from kompromat), you bail. Again.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034392#1034392

Here you claim that the lack of evidence in the WaPo for their claims is proof of the reporters' honesty.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034407#1034407

Here you claim there are 'things' we don't know about Russian collusion because there are still months to go in the Mueller investigation.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61760&mid=1
034408#1034408

Your record of shilling every phony claim - and being wrong - is quite stellar.



Let's move along to your 8 POSTS WORTH OF AVOIDING PROVIDING THE EVIDENCE YOU CLAIMED YOU HAD IN ALL 5 VOLUMES OF THE SENATE REPORT ... not to mention all the times you avoided replying ... and your posts trying to derail from that issue.


You quickly moved on to yet more unsupported claims (about anything BUT the 'evidence' you claimed you had) ...


And your finale is nothing but personal insult and trolling.

You just did a Trump, SECOND. Only not very successfully.

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Monday, September 28, 2020 9:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Meanwhile, have you come up with any evidence yet from that Senate Report?

In your opinion does this qualify as evidence Trump is crazy? I think it does:

A reporter for NBC News listened in on a telephone call a few days ago:

The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has grown increasingly concerned that President Donald Trump, pushed by a new member of his coronavirus task force, is sharing incorrect information about the pandemic with the public. Dr. Robert Redfield, who leads the CDC, suggested in a conversation with a colleague Friday that Dr. Scott Atlas is arming Trump with misleading data about a range of issues, including questioning the efficacy of masks, whether young people are susceptible to the virus and the potential benefits of herd immunity.

“Everything he says is false,” Redfield said during a phone call made in public on a commercial airline and overheard by NBC News.

It’s worth remembering that Redfield’s nomination as director of the CDC was controversial at the time. In addition to being accused of scientific misconduct in the ’90s, Redfield is a conservative Christian who has promoted abstinence-only policies for AIDS patients. He was viewed by many liberals as a likely promoter of bad science if Donald Trump asked for it, so it’s notable that he has refused to play along.

But there’s probably nothing that Redfield can do about Scott Atlas. Trump has finally found someone who will tell him what he wants to hear, and in Trumpworld that’s the highest credential of them all. Tomorrow night I imagine we can expect a flurry of Atlas-provided nonsense about COVID-19 when Trump takes the debate stage.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/09/cdc-director-says-trump
-advisor-is-wrong-about-everything
/

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Monday, September 28, 2020 10:56 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


That 5 volumes of the SENATE REPORT you insisted contained evidence? You keep avoiding it like the plague.

Meanwhile, let's recap all the things you couldn't provide any evidence for ...

You provided no evidence of anything criminal in Trump's tax returns.

Or that "Either Trump is crazy or a thief. Could be both."

Or that Trump "cheating" on his tax returns is causing others to 'cheat" on theirs ... or even that Trump is actually "cheating".

Or that the federal government is running a deficit just because "because taxes are NOT being collected".

Or that Trump owes any taxes at all.

You've provided no evidence Trump is "crazy or a criminal".



Then there's the list of the claims you made about Trump (I only went to July, 2017) that were wrong.
Quote:

There was you, claiming Trump 'stole' the election.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034047#1034047

Here you claim Russia 'hacked' the DNC and Trump was an 'accessory after the fact' (your words).
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034075#1034075

Here you claim to know what Trump is thinking! and that those idea are 'of Russian origin'.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034158#1034158

Here you claim that Trump hiding his tax returns is because he 'must be hiding something criminal'.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034205#1034205

Here you predict Mueller will find something that'll get rid of Trump.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034210#1034210

Here you claim that Trump is in Putin's pocket.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&mid=1
034212#1034212

"Team Trump keeps swearing they’ve disclosed everything and there’s no there there." For once you got something right, and even Mueller eventually agreed.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034227#1034227

"So, where's that evidence?" I asked, and once again you failed to come up with any.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034228#1034228

Here you predict Mueller's report will have evidence, given time.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034264#1034264

Here you claim people in the Trump campaign colluded with Russians to hack the DNC.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034328#1034328

Here you claim Trump's tax returns will be the 'evidence' needed to prove Trump's innocence, because guilty until proved innocent.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034369#1034369

When asked for evidence of Trump colluding with Putin, or being in his pocket (presumably from kompromat), you bail. Again.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034392#1034392

Here you claim that the lack of evidence in the WaPo for their claims is proof of the reporters' honesty.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61678&mid=1
034407#1034407

Here you claim there are 'things' we don't know about Russian collusion because there are still months to go in the Mueller investigation.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61760&mid=1
034408#1034408

Your record of shilling every phony claim - and being wrong - is quite stellar.



Let's move along to your 8 POSTS WORTH OF AVOIDING PROVIDING THE EVIDENCE YOU CLAIMED YOU HAD IN ALL 5 VOLUMES OF THE SENATE REPORT ... not to mention all the times you avoided replying ... and your posts trying to derail from that issue.


You quickly moved on to yet more unsupported claims (about anything BUT the 'evidence' you claimed you had) ...


And then you posted is nothing but personal insult and trolling.

You just did a Trump, SECOND. Only not very successfully.

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Monday, September 28, 2020 11:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Meanwhile, let's recap all the things you couldn't provide any evidence for ...

1kiki, you are either as crazy as Trump or a Russian troll.

Crazy people don't do well in America: “The typical billionaire businessperson’s tax returns would not look like that,” Clausing said. “Everyone gets unlucky occasionally, but the picture that emerges from the Times story is one of a pretty unsuccessful businessperson.”

“There’s an enormous amount of evidence of self-dealing and using the presidency itself to try to dig his way out,” Clausing said.

“It’s kind of depressing that this is the world we live in and that the president of the United States thinks it is okay that he pays less taxes than the poorest people in the country,” Sarin said. “Even if that is what the tax code allows him to do legally, which it definitely does not, this is a fairly stunning indictment of him and of a tax system that is in desperate need of real reform.”

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21492209/donald-trump-income-taxes-ny-
times-evasion-avoidance


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Monday, September 28, 2020 11:37 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Jeez faggot. Both of your personalities just won't give up, will you?

Good thing one of them has enough money to flee the country when Trump wins.

Less than 24 hours before Biden gets destroyed.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 29, 2020 10:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Jeez faggot. Both of your personalities just won't give up, will you?

Good thing one of them has enough money to flee the country when Trump wins.

Less than 24 hours before Biden gets destroyed.

"Leadership is not just about sitting in a pilot's seat. It's about knowing what you're doing, and taking responsibility for it. Being prepared, ready and able to handle anything that might come your way. I've been flying over this country for fifty-three years. Fifty-three years of flights you've never heard about, and one that you've heard everything about."

Sorry to tell you, 6ix, but Trump is too irresponsible for the White House. Maybe because he is crazy. Maybe because he is fat and stupid. Whichever it is, he can't do the job.



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Tuesday, September 29, 2020 10:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The Legacy Media has already given up on the tax angle again.

Seems somebody remembered that they tried this already and failed.

OPPS

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 29, 2020 10:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The Legacy Media has already given up on the tax angle again.

Seems somebody remembered that they tried this already and failed.

OPPS

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The media says Trump is fucked for cheating on his taxes. It also says that as long as Bill Barr is Attorney General, Trump won't be charged, but when Barr is gone, Trump will have a decade of tax litigation ahead of him. There will also be a Supreme Court case to decide if Trump can legally pardon himself. In the end, Trump will go to jail if his fat ass diet has not killed him first. The man is a blimp full of lard. Come to think of it, Trump's brothers are dead. He is next.

Robert Trump, the younger brother of President Donald Trump, dead at age 71
www.cnn.com/2020/08/15/politics/robert-trump-dead/index.html

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Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:00 PM

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Tuesday, September 29, 2020 2:28 PM

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Only as long as Trump is president can he shield himself from accountability for tax-related crimes. He can also shield himself from debt collectors, who seem to have significant claims coming due over the next four years. From obstruction of justice to sexual assault allegations to campaign finance law violations, Trump is counting on the fact that he’s president to stop the law from coming after him.

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Tuesday, September 29, 2020 3:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:




Exactly. We can include the Clintons and Bidens as international money- launderers. SECONDRATE seems to think only Trump is corrupt.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Tuesday, September 29, 2020 4:03 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Exactly. We can include the Clintons and Bidens as international money- launderers. SECONDRATE seems to think only Trump is corrupt.



So, should we put the Clintons and Biden’s in jail?

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