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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This has been addresed in many threads on this forum already.

Some people have referenced "cultural Marxism".

Others have pointed to centralized (globalized) non-democratic government control of everything.

Neither one sounds like a good endpoint.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

AOC - "Also the idea that Socialists like Dems... lol".

First honest thing AOC has said.

I'll refer you to the post I made the other day about how a Biden win is going to be great when
the Democrats realize they're 3 parties in one and they hate each other.

That's going to happen eventually one day no matter what, but with 4 more years of Trump
they won't figure out that lesson until at least 2024.





That being said, Nilbog's entire thread premise is a misnomer.

True Liberals don't push Socialist agendas. Socialists and Communists push Socialist agendas. The
former pushing exactly what they want, while the latter pushes what they think they can get
away with now in America.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This has been addresed in many threads on this forum already.

Some people have referenced "cultural Marxism".

Others have pointed to centralized (globalized) non-democratic government control of everything.

Neither one sounds like a good endpoint.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


AOC - "Also the idea that Socialists like Dems... lol".

First honest thing AOC has said.

I'll refer you to the post I made the other day about how a Biden win is going to be great when
the Democrats realize they're 3 parties in one and they hate each other.

That's going to happen eventually one day no matter what, but with 4 more years of Trump
they won't figure out that lesson until at least 2024.





That being said, Nilbog's entire thread premise is a misnomer.

True Liberals don't push Socialist agendas. Socialists and Communists push Socialist agendas. The former pushing exactly what they want, while the latter pushes what they think they can get away with now in America.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This has been addresed in many threads on this forum already.

Some people have referenced "cultural Marxism".

Others have pointed to centralized (globalized) non-democratic government control of everything.

Neither one sounds like a good endpoint.

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SIG, ever the student of Trump

"This has been addressed elsewhere" = misdirection = "I have no clue."

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"Neither one sounds like a good endpoint." = "I have no clue."

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I agree that it's a misnomer.

What the DNC is pushing for is FASCISM ... government in service to corporations. While some say that Trump is pushing the same idea, they (Trump, DNC) differ on WHICH corporations they back... The DNC is wedded to the biggest transnationals (banks, big tech, big pharma... also NATO and the international spook agencies thru which they mold foreign governments and policies) and eager to place regulation of these transnational actors into secret foreign trade tribunals... hence, Bill and Obama's urge to ratify all of those "free trade" agreements (WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, TTP, TTIP). Also Bill's eagerness to reduce regulations on banking, monopolies (including media monopolies), and his support of "intellectual property" (DMCA) and Obama showering money on the banks, protecting bankers from prosecution, being joined at the hip with the NSA (with all its illegal surveillance) and the CIA and all of his "secret wars", and the ACA being a big wet smooch to big pharma.

Trump, OTOH, is closer to the military industrial complex, seeks to reduce our entanglement with China and NATO, wants to promote what HE thinks is "American business", and keep our sovereign powers safe.

I kinda cringe when I hear libertarians call every DNC idea "socialist" or "communist" or "Marxist" ... clearly, they don't know what any of those are. More accurate descriptions would be "Trotskyist" or "fascist"

Anyway, WISHY, to be specific, what I expect under a DNC reign is

More "free trade" agreements

Re-entanglemnt with NATO

More "secret" foreign destabilizations conducted by the State Dept, the CIA, and cooperating NGOs, with "allied" military involvement where necessary

An attempt to change the entire election process (Electoral College, adding DC as a 51st state, reducing ID requirements at the polls etc) to ensure a permanent DNC dominnce (altho this may be blunted by the Supreme Court)
Some money "giveaway" program* where (just like the CARES Act) 80% will go to the biggest businesses, and continued reliance on "The Fed" to loan money to a broke government.

*It could be "reparations", limited UBI, ACA "reform", Covid-relief, or some combination. But follow the money, it won't go to "the people" but to banks and monopolies

There will be nothing in there about meaningful jobs at living wages, defending our Constitutional rights, or anything like that.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

"What Socialist agendas DO conservatives think are intended by liberals?"

Whatever it is they fear the most. Masks. Taxes. Government unemployment aid. A Sanctuary Country. Reparations. Having their guns taken away. More job loss thanks to free trade agreements. Open borders. Healthcare. CO2 caps. But I'd be really, really surprised if we got a reasonable healthcare system or real action on climate change from a demolican federal government, even if it was completely controlled by that party. And I fully expect identity politics, the nuclear-chicken-game, destabilization of foreign governments, and the demonization of Russia to go on unabated. And the surveillance state against the citizens, propagandizing by the m$m, and free trade agreements to blossom. So some fears imo are quite reasonable, others, not so much.


I myself find the flavors of demolicans and repubmocrats different, but similar enough that NEITHER have our best interests at heart.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:


I am posting, as WISHY requested, EXACTLY and in detail what I expect from a DNC win.

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www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Common-characteristics-of-fascist-mov
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[You cannot manipulate the natural order to such a degree and expect any level of normalcy or decency.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Yet again, the Russian trolls are unable to answer the simplest of questions. They don't know what socialism OR fascism are, even with the dictionary.

All they can do is deflect, and prove to us that they are, in fact, RUSSIAN TROLLS.

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Therefore, for the Fascist, everything is in the State, and nothing human or spiritual exists, much less has value, outside the State. In this sense Fascism is totalitarian ...

Outside the State there can be neither individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, syndicates, classes). Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism which confines the movement of history within the class struggle and ignores the unity of classes established in one economic and moral reality in the State; and analogously it is opposed to class syndicalism

Fascism attacks the whole complex of democratic ideologies and rejects them both... fascism denies that the majority, through the mere fact of being a majority, can rule human societies... it affirms the irremediable, fruitful and beneficent inequality of men.

For Fascism the tendency to Empire, that is to say, to the expansion of nations, is a manifestation of vitality; its opposite, staying at home, is a sign of decadence: peoples who rise or re-rise are imperialist, people who die are renunciatory.

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Resolution on the Definition and Attribution of Corporations
November 13, 1933

“The National Council of Corporations:

define Corporations as the instrument which, under the aegis of the State, carries out the complete organic and unitarian regulation of production with a view to the expansion of the wealth, political power, and well-being of the Italian people;
declare that the number of Corporations to be formed for the main branches of production should, on principle, be adequate to meet the real needs of national economy;
establish that the general staff of each Corporation shall include representatives of State administration, of the Fascist Party, of capital, of labour, and of experts;
assign to the Corporations as their specific tasks: conciliation, consultations (compulsory on problems of major importance), and the promulgation, through the National Council of Corporations, of laws regulating the economic activities of the country;

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In 1925-26, after a lengthy crisis with the parliament following the killing of the Socialist leader Giacomo Matteotti, he imposed a Totalarian Dictatorship. His Corperative State came to terms with Italian Capitalism but abolished the free trade unions.

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In 1922, Fascists were instructed to wear uniforms, including black shirts, when in squads that were modeled after Roman army groups. All party members were considered squad members.

Soon after, several Italian cities were seized by Fascist squads, who also burned down Communist and Socialist offices.

In October 1922, Mussolini threatened to march on Rome to take control of the government through violent force if it was not handed over. The government was slow to act, eventually dispatching troops, though Fascists had already seized control of some local governments.

Mussolini’s first act as prime minister was to demand special emergency powers allowing him to rig elections in the Fascists’ favor. Soon after, the Italian parliament made suspicion of being anti-Fascist punishable by imprisonment without trial.

The next year police rounded-up Socialists, and the government restricted their publishing activities....

The same year, all Communist members of Parliament were arrested, and all Socialist members expelled. Anyone who could not be prosecuted for a crime was detained for up to five years and placed in island internment camps.

Cinemas were required to screen government propaganda in the form of newsreels. Fascists owned 66 percent of the newspapers and controlled reporting, issuing daily editorial guidelines and threatening editors with arrest.

The Order of Journalists was created and membership was mandatory. Newspapers were allowed to criticize the government as long as they generally expressed support.

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