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You're sadly misinformed. The left isn't why we didn't do better. The progressive wing did great. It was the corporate whores who lost.

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I've heard her and you, and it doesn't cut it. 85% percent of this country is left leaning to radical right. She may have helped turn out some on the left, but her far left agenda also hurt. It killed us in Florida. Do the math for yourself instead of taking as gospel what someone who just got elected herself says. Someone who won primarily due to her district being 60% plus Hispanic. Primarily due to tribalism. That’s not meant to be an insult, just a fact. I admit she is very talented and I’m not against her. The Somali community elected a Somali women to run their district in Minnesota for much the same reason. All ethnicities practice tribalism. Not all the time, but much of it.

It would serve your agenda better if socialists would stop trying to turn this country socialist overnight. It would serve the socialist community to accept we are not a socialist country. Remember, Sanders never got more than 20-25% support. To quote OAC, “It’s that if they keep going after the wrong thing, I mean, they’re just setting up their own obsolescence.”

It's like Black leaders and activists pushing too hard. Yes, I want most of what they want. But they are only 12% of the population. They are acting as though they won the election single handedly. That will piss many off hurting their agenda. No one group won this election. It was a team effort. They need to shut up and allow it to just get done. They need to remember they also need the entirety of the Democratic Party to work towards achieving their needs. Just as all other ethnicities need to do to move this country towards implementing fairer, better, policies.

They never speak to the white voter in a way that recruits them. They too often alienate them. Again, Blacks represent 12 or 13% of the population, therefore about 9 to 10% of the voting bloc; maybe. Whites represent 70% of voting Americans. Nothing happens without them. I’m talking about practicing smart politics, not emotional. I’m talking about unity. I want to win the next election. "I want to win the next election."



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I'm not even going to read any posts in here today because with the news I woke up to I can just imagine what they look like and why ruin my day when it's in the 60's and I've got work to do outside?

With no clear mandate, this is not the way that a candidate wanted to win in 2020. The only real loser is the American people. Not because there is a probably Biden win in the end, but because no matter which way this turns out, if you thought that the worst of 2020 would be behind us no matter which side won, clearly you were fooling yourself. This is going to drag out longer than Bush/Gore did, and we all here are living proof that 2020 is a much worse year for something like this than 2000 was.


This election was pure 2020 through and through, and OF COURSE this is the way things had to go.

I will state for the record now that I would MUCH rather have been entirely wrong and saw a 500 point Biden landslide and taken all of the lumps from everybody here and in real life than have what we're left with now.

Three bits of advice to everyone today:

1. If you talk politics with friends and family, STOP talking to friends and family about politics immediately... or at least know that if you don't you likely risk losing some of them.

2. Along with social distancing measures when you're out, also practice situational awareness... especially when it's dark outside. Consider at least carrying some pepper spray on your person.

3. Try to be positive. We'll all get through this somehow.

Be safe, everybody.

I am truly, deeply sorry that this is the way things had to be.

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I'm not even going to read any posts in here today because with the news I woke up to I can just imagine what they look like and why ruin my day when it's in the 60's and I've got work to do outside?

With no clear mandate, this is not the way that a candidate wanted to win in 2020. The only real loser is the American people. Not because there is a probably Biden win in the end, but because no matter which way this turns out, if you thought that the worst of 2020 would be behind us no matter which side won, clearly you were fooling yourself. This is going to drag out longer than Bush/Gore did, and we all here are living proof that 2020 is a much worse year for something like this than 2000 was.


This election was pure 2020 through and through, and OF COURSE this is the way things had to go.

I will state for the record now that I would MUCH rather have been entirely wrong and saw a 500 point Biden landslide and taken all of the lumps from everybody here and in real life than have what we're left with now.

Three bits of advice to everyone today:

1. If you talk politics with friends and family, STOP talking to friends and family about politics immediately... or at least know that if you don't you likely risk losing some of them.

2. Along with social distancing measures when you're out, also practice situational awareness... especially when it's dark outside. Consider at least carrying some pepper spray on your person.

3. Try to be positive. We'll all get through this somehow.

Be safe, everybody.

I am truly, deeply sorry that this is the way things had to be.

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You might be willing to turn your back on America, but I cannot convince myself to.

This is the first soft coup we have had, in our lives, in person and up close. It has been going on for decades and it has not been stopped before. Remember 4 years ago places in Philadelphia where thousands of votes were for Hilliary byut not a single vote for Trump?

After the Constitutional Convention, Ben Franklin was asked what kind of Government do we have. He replied something like a democracy, if we can keep it.
The Freedoms and Rights we have were our Birthright, granted to us before we were born, and now so many are willing to close their eyes, cover their ears, while the Nation is stolen away. If we allow this to proceed, we do not deserve the Nation, Liberties, Freedoms, and Rights which we allowed to be taken via fraud.

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Oh... and BTW, JSF...

We both know that fraud occurred, and likely on a grand scale, but let's finally see some irrefutable evidence of it this time.

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Oh... and BTW, JSF...

We both know that fraud occurred, and likely on a grand scale, but let's finally see some irrefutable evidence of it this time.

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No, you don't. Not at all.
The one and only person claiming that there was fraud is Trump himself, and some of his sycophants, that's all.

There is ZERO evidence of any fraud. That's why his lawsuits are all slapped down. He was 0-10, last I saw.

He's a proven liar. He's just sowing doubt in your weak, 2 digit IQ brain, because you're just that stupid.

You live in an illusion, willingly, egged on by Russian trolls. Facts will never make you think.

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There is zero chance that more people voted for a meat-puppet like Joe Biden than any other President in the history of America.

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You're sadly misinformed. The left isn't why we didn't do better. The progressive wing did great. It was the corporate whores who lost.

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I've heard her and you, and it doesn't cut it. 85% percent of this country is left leaning to radical right. She may have helped turn out some on the left, but her far left agenda also hurt. It killed us in Florida. Do the math for yourself instead of taking as gospel what someone who just got elected herself says. Someone who won primarily due to her district being 60% plus Hispanic. Primarily due to tribalism. That’s not meant to be an insult, just a fact. I admit she is very talented and I’m not against her. The Somali community elected a Somali women to run their district in Minnesota for much the same reason. All ethnicities practice tribalism. Not all the time, but much of it.

It would serve your agenda better if socialists would stop trying to turn this country socialist overnight. It would serve the socialist community to accept we are not a socialist country. Remember, Sanders never got more than 20-25% support. To quote OAC, “It’s that if they keep going after the wrong thing, I mean, they’re just setting up their own obsolescence.”

It's like Black leaders and activists pushing too hard. Yes, I want most of what they want. But they are only 12% of the population. They are acting as though they won the election single handedly. That will piss many off hurting their agenda. No one group won this election. It was a team effort. They need to shut up and allow it to just get done. They need to remember they also need the entirety of the Democratic Party to work towards achieving their needs. Just as all other ethnicities need to do to move this country towards implementing fairer, better, policies.

They never speak to the white voter in a way that recruits them. They too often alienate them. Again, Blacks represent 12 or 13% of the population, therefore about 9 to 10% of the voting bloc; maybe. Whites represent 70% of voting Americans. Nothing happens without them. I’m talking about practicing smart politics, not emotional. I’m talking about unity. I want to win the next election. "I want to win the next election."



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Killed us in FL? They voted to raise minimum wage.

The average American is very in favor of what the "left" wants. https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-
health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/
Poll: The Green New Deal is as popular as legalizing weed
https://grist.org/article/poll-the-green-new-deal-is-as-popular-as-leg
alizing-weed/

A better country is coming, if the Dems wake up. If they don't, they'll keep losing.

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The problem reaver is you post that most Americas want what the progressives want. To raise the minimum wage, health care, climate change, a more inclusive society and a fairer and balanced justice system. To you this means most of the country, including those in the middle, agree with you. You've stated that here.

That's bullshit, instead, you agree with what most Americans want. You agree with what the Democratic Party has been fighting for, for years. Only you want credit for these ideas because you’re unaware of this fact. All you, and the younger generation did is join the Democrats and independents.

These issues have been on the table for years, repeatedly being blocked by the republicans. How many socialist are in congress or the senate, two, three? These are democratic ideas and always have been. Remember the clean water act. That wasn’t achieved by progressives. That was achieved by Democrats.

The youngest group of voters grew up thinking Obama was a socialist. That’s because that was the label pinned on him by the republicans. So they grew up thinking socialism is not so bad. They’ll figure it out soon enough.

History shows socialism doesn’t work. Just ask those who’ve lived it.

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Here we go.

People (THG & RF) work together to get what they want against a common enemy and once that enemy is gone they start to squabble about their differences. I remember thinking once Obama got in and had a unified congress all sorts of things would finally get done. Nope. Just more arguing. That is why I have always hated politics.

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Jesus, you sound like 6ix.

Cubans have always voted overwhelmingly Republican, as do Hispanic evangelicals.

If you've ever seen the Spanish language news networks, they're Spanish Fox News. Same reichwing bullshit.

And the Democrats did a shit job of reaching them. Just one more thing Dems fail at.

They're experts at losing what should be a sure thing. They don't know how to reach out to working people because that's not who they serve.

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Again just like jack. The facts say otherwise. In 2016, Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton won Miami-Dade County over Donald Trump by about 30 percentage points. Trump cut into that margin by more than 20 points. Look it up.

This was because Hispanics, and yes Cubans, believed Biden would be overly influenced by OAC's socialist agenda. And they said so.

I have no intention of debating this over and over again with you. Your posts are based in emotion and not facts. As I've pointed out before. You are too far to the left to see clearly. Your anger at the Democrats is evidence of that. Yes they're far from perfect but hate is revealed in many of your posts regarding the party.

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We both know that fraud occurred, and likely on a grand scale, but let's finally see some irrefutable evidence of it this time. There is zero chance that more people voted for a meat-puppet like Joe Biden than any other President in the history of America.

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There is zero chance that more people voted for a meat-puppet like Joe Biden than any other President in the history of America.

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lol

Fcksake - Deaf, dumb, and blind to the very end, and then some. You simply have no capacity to LEARN from observable data. FEELZ is what drives you and that's what people like Trump know and exploit. He's a conman - look it up.

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Again just like jack. The facts say otherwise.

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Again just like jack. The facts say otherwise. In 2016, Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton won Miami-Dade County over Donald Trump by about 30 percentage points. Trump cut into that margin by more than 20 points. Look it up.

This was because Hispanics, and yes Cubans, believed Biden would be overly influenced by OAC's socialist agenda. And they said so.

I have no intention of debating this over and over again with you. Your posts are based in emotion and not facts. As I've pointed out before. You are too far to the left to see clearly. Your anger at the Democrats is evidence of that. Yes they're far from perfect but hate is revealed in many of your posts regarding the party.

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Canada and Mexico have socialized healthcare, along with the rest of the first world. They're all quite happy with it. Why don't we?

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Canada and Mexico have socialized healthcare, along with the rest of the first world. They're all quite happy with it. Why don't we?

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I'm just curious. How much of your income do you pay toward various taxes now?

Workers get fucked from every direction in America, including more than half of them not even making enough money to make the job worth their while with the cost of goods in 2020.

Who pays for the Socialized Healthcare? Because the workers that don't have insurance today can't afford to be gouged even further on taxes.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I don't feel like Googling and getting directed to where I'm going to give ad revenue to a website that shovels shit.



... not even making enough money to make the job worth their while with the cost of goods in 2020.

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I don't feel like Googling and getting directed to where I'm going to give ad revenue to a website that shovels shit.

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You are such a pansy, dude


I WILL HEARTILY DEFEND HUMAN RIGHTS UNTIL YOU CAN SEE YOUR WRONGS
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Again just like jack. The facts say otherwise. In 2016, Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton won Miami-Dade County over Donald Trump by about 30 percentage points. Trump cut into that margin by more than 20 points. Look it up.

This was because Hispanics, and yes Cubans, believed Biden would be overly influenced by OAC's socialist agenda. And they said so.

I have no intention of debating this over and over again with you. Your posts are based in emotion and not facts. As I've pointed out before. You are too far to the left to see clearly. Your anger at the Democrats is evidence of that. Yes they're far from perfect but hate is revealed in many of your posts regarding the party.

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And what "news" sources told them that? What do they know about socialism? Only what they've been told by Spanish speaking propagandists.

We're talking about people who aren't well-versed on politics. They believe what they're told, and the universal line, on both the right and center-right (there is no real centrism, other than a few democratic socialists. They're centrists, like me), is "socialism bad!"

Canada and Mexico have socialized healthcare, along with the rest of the first world. They're all quite happy with it. Why don't we?

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Yes, they have some social programs but they are in no way socialists. Big, and I mean big difference. American is the same. We recognize the necessity of social programs to assist a country's population.

I also find it disingenuous when you suggest people who have run from socialist countries, are to ignorant to recognize socialist leaning democrats as being a potential problem because they too practice a populist message, just as Trump did. Most Democrats see socialists as a problem as well.

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I've had to listen to you and your buddies on here whine for four years that Trump was President because of Putin.

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Zero Russian collusion.

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Voter fraud is massive. Somebody just needs to bring the proof and find a non compromised media outlet to show it to the world.

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And trust me, whoever is running the show then is going to make you wish that Trump were still President.

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6ix's 4chan account:

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And I laugh at people with only a 148 IQ.

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