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The future of the personal transportation

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Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:44 AM

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https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/mach/futuristic-roads-may-make-recharging
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"Gas stations are likely to disappear in a future full of electric vehicles, but the even latest technology for powering cars could soon be a thing of the past. Instead of having to regularly plug in electric vehicles, future roadways could power cars while they're in motion, so you never have to stop for a recharge again.

Last week, telecommunications giant Qualcomm tested a 100-meter stretch of road outside Paris that was wired to dynamically charge electric vehicles as they rode over it. The road has metal coils embedded into the asphalt, each spaced a foot apart, which create an electromagnetic field that transmits energy to a receiver to supply the car's battery. During tests, the road was able to transmit 20 kilowatts of energy to cars traveling 75 mph.

Israeli-based start-up ElectRoad also announced successful tests of its dynamic charging system on an 80-foot test track earlier this year. The company now plans to embed dynamic charging systems along public transportation routes in Tel Aviv where buses and delivery trucks operate.

But building and wiring roadways that can power cars isn’t cheap, so dynamic charging will first be rolled out slowly at a few key locations.

“Think about taxis lining up at the airport,” says Steve Pazol, Qualcomm's vice president and general manager of wireless charging. “As they’re moving through the row, they’re getting a charge wirelessly.” The current system is about 90 percent as efficient for charging electric cars as plugging in, Pazol says.

Another potential place for dynamic charging systems could be at stoplights or intersections, where cars could be powered while they wait. Qualcomm is even working with Mercedes on a system that can wirelessly charge parked cars. It's set to be released later this year on a hybrid version of the 2018 Mercedes-Benz S550e.

In theory, dynamically charged cars could run forever — making batteries smaller and lighter, and making cars faster and cheaper. Right now, a Tesla Model S has a range of only about 300 miles per charge, and its battery weighs 1200 pounds and costs upwards of $10,000.

Don MacKenzie, a researcher at the Sustainable Transportation Laboratory at the University of Washington, says that at full scale, wiring roads for dynamic charging could be more cost effective than installing batteries in millions of electric vehicles. Still, he wonders about the cost of tearing up roads to install these systems.

“We seem to have a hard enough time keeping our basic asphalt and concrete roads in a state of good repair, let alone roads with embedded hardware and associated controls,” MacKenzie says. “I suspect these things won’t be cheap to maintain, and it’s not clear who will be willing to pay for that.”

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Put taht in the "Great Idea... if it works" category. One huge benefit that is rarely mentioned when it comes to electric cars, trains, and especially motorbikes/cycles, is the huge reduction in noise pollution. Electric vehicles seem as inevitable as digital cameras were, even when they only produced a terrible, fuzzy low bit 8 color image. You knew the chase was on to make improvements and it was only a matter of time when they would dominate.

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Tuesday, December 1, 2020 12:09 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

We aren't going to be alive to see a world without gas vehicles.

We're not even close to having the technology to roll out anything they're talking about yet, but even if you didn't take into account the insane amount of regular maintenance it would require to keep these roads even just road-worthy, let alone functional in this secondary purpose they were designed for would be staggering and completely unrealistic.

Worse yet, whoever was the first country to roll it out would have an extremely high maintenance infrastructure nightmare that was obsolete a month after they put it all in. They'd be left holding the bag with outdated technology that serves as the roadmap on how NOT to do electric roadways and would never be able to afford to rip them out and make the upgrades that other countries make. (Look at the state of our own non-tech infrastructure in many areas of the country)

Then you'd have to consider without expensive retrofitting, none of the electric or hybrid cars that people paid premiums for today would even work on them.

And after that, you'd have to consider that used car lots are a thing and there are tons of Americans that are driving cars and trucks that are 20 years old or more. It's one thing to outlaw incandescent bulbs when the replacements could be provided for relatively cheap, but a car is one of the largest investments that most people make in their lives and it would be pretty hard to tell millions of people that their current vehicle is now against the law to drive and they have to pay $30,000+ to buy a new one or else lose the privilege to drive.

And it makes you wonder who's going to be the politicians that tell the roadwork unions that they're out of jobs? Sure... some of them will be young enough and intelligent enough to make the transfer to the numerous new jobs necessary to keep these new roads running, but a lot of them won't. Antiquating an entire Union monolith is never good for politics.

Not exactly the roads mentioned here, but remember Solar freakin' Roadways?

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Tuesday, December 1, 2020 1:27 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We aren't going to be alive to see a world without gas vehicles.

Of course we won't. Gas will always be around just like actual film cameras are and other low tech, old fashinioned things. It makes no sense to not shoot digital - it's as powerful and less expensive by miles - but people do that stuff. I'm sure gasheads will say what good is a car if it doesn't make a lot of noise? And I totally get that.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We're not even close to having the technology to roll out anything they're talking about yet, but even if you didn't take into account the insane amount of regular maintenance it would require to keep these roads even just road-worthy, let alone functional in this secondary purpose they were designed for would be staggering and completely unrealistic.

Worse yet, whoever was the first country to roll it out would have an extremely high maintenance infrastructure nightmare that was obsolete a month after they put it all in. They'd be left holding the bag with outdated technology that serves as the roadmap on how NOT to do electric roadways and would never be able to afford to rip them out and make the upgrades that other countries make. (Look at the state of our own non-tech infrastructure in many areas of the country)

I doubt you know anything about the tech or the maintenance and you have a weakness for hyperbole, so we'll just skip that noise.

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Then you'd have to consider without expensive retrofitting, none of the electric or hybrid cars that people paid premiums for today would even work on them.

So how much would it cost?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And after that, you'd have to consider that used car lots are a thing and there are tons of Americans that are driving cars and trucks that are 20 years old or more. It's one thing to outlaw incandescent bulbs when the replacements could be provided for relatively cheap, but a car is one of the largest investments that most people make in their lives and it would be pretty hard to tell millions of people that their current vehicle is now against the law to drive and they have to pay $30,000+ to buy a new one or else lose the privilege to drive.

Who said anything about "telling people" anything? You seem to be in a rush to think the least positive, most negative possibilities.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And it makes you wonder who's going to be the politicians that tell the roadwork unions that they're out of jobs? Sure... some of them will be young enough and intelligent enough to make the transfer to the numerous new jobs necessary to keep these new roads running, but a lot of them won't. Antiquating an entire Union monolith is never good for politics.

Huh? Which article did you read?

I have a more actual, practical skepticism: what about all the money already spent on charging stations? Both would actually work, so not a huge barrier. Thing with Big Ideas is no matter how much you speculate and guess and research, you'll never know the usefulness until you roll it out and people use it. It's mostly best guessing up until then.

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Tuesday, December 1, 2020 2:16 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Well if you're just going to dismiss my thoughts on the issue and pretend I don't know what I'm talking about, I'll just reserve the right to do the very same.

In the mean time, talk to me 20 years from now when this idea hasn't even begun to take off yet. 200 feet of road in the middle of a Nevada desert that nobody drives doesn't count.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:26 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well if you're just going to dismiss my thoughts on the issue and pretend I don't know what I'm talking about, I'll just reserve the right to do the very same.

I know you don't know what you're talking about. You're guessing as usual. Remember the last 4 years of your "thoughts?"

But... if you know something about the infrastructure and maintenance needs/costs of something that hasn't been released yet, do tell - impress us.

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In the mean time, talk to me 20 years from now when this idea hasn't even begun to take off yet. 200 feet of road in the middle of a Nevada desert that nobody drives doesn't count.

^You just proved you have no clue. This is you in a nutshell on this forum. Not here to discuss and learn, just blah blah blah, the usual "it's-all-about-me" JackSh*t.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2020 11:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Explain to me in what world would it be cheaper to maintain and upkeep highly sensitive electronics that are driven on by 2,000 to 30,000 lbs vehicles constantly, not to mention being sun-beaten, water-worn, snow-cracked and any other regular form of abuse that roads currently get today.

Look at roads today. Do you not have potholes and cracks galore? If you don't, it's because you live in a heavily taxed area that can afford to keep hundreds and possibly thousands of union workers employed to be eternally re-doing the heavily worn roads.

And "dumb" roads don't require any knowledge of electronics, electricity and aside from the people at the tippy top of that maintenance structure it doesn't require a bunch of engineering experience. Mostly it's just mix the shit, point them in the right direction and let the machinery put the stuff down.

So far, besides just simply cracking and not being able to come close to proving that they can withstand the strain of constant traffic going over them, early prototype roads have even literally CAUGHT ON FIRE. Assuming one road actually looks like it might work... watch what happens after lawsuits when an inevitable "freak" accident occurs while people are on the road and somebody's kids get set on fire and get burned alive in their car. Nobody would ever dare try to put another smart road down for a hundred years once that happens.

Fuck your stupid arguments, dummy.

This whole idea is pie in the sky bullshit. Just like Solar Freakin' Roadways was, and just like the Hyperloop still is.

And unless modern science is able to find a way to change the laws of physics and thermodynamics it's NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN IN OUR LIFETIME.

Ever.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:52 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Explain to me in what world would it be cheaper to maintain and upkeep highly sensitive electronics that are driven on by 2,000 to 30,000 lbs vehicles constantly, not to mention being sun-beaten, water-worn, snow-cracked and any other regular form of abuse that roads currently get today.

How do you know they are highly sensitive? Again, you are proving that you're clueless on the details and just wild-assing it as usual. Sadly, it's your typical kind of lazy "thinking." It produces lazy ideas. Google "carbon offset" see if anything rings any bells. I know it won't! You trip over yourself in a hurry to be a negative a-hole.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Look at roads today. Do you not have potholes and cracks galore? If you don't, it's because you live in a heavily taxed area that can afford to keep hundreds and possibly thousands of union workers employed to be eternally re-doing the heavily worn roads.

How do you know that once implemented the charging infrastructure is permeable to weather etc? No wear, just power. And you seem to be under the misguided assumption (lazy thinking) that this is for ALL roads. Why assume that? The article you didn't read suggests taxi stands and some stretches of busy road and busy intersections. I suggest parking lots. A business incentive, "shop at payless foods and get a free charge while you shop." Little "wear and tear" and plenty of upside.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And "dumb" roads don't require any knowledge of electronics, electricity and aside from the people at the tippy top of that maintenance structure it doesn't require a bunch of engineering experience. Mostly it's just mix the shit, point them in the right direction and let the machinery put the stuff down.

Gee, ur smart.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So far, besides just simply cracking and not being able to come close to proving that they can withstand the strain of constant traffic going over them, early prototype roads have even literally CAUGHT ON FIRE. Assuming one road actually looks like it might work... watch what happens after lawsuits when an inevitable "freak" accident occurs while people are on the road and somebody's kids get set on fire and get burned alive in their car. Nobody would ever dare try to put another smart road down for a hundred years once that happens.

Golly! When you put it like that it's a wonder anyone gets in one of them horseless buggies!

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Fuck your stupid arguments, dummy.

Someone needs their binky.

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Thursday, December 3, 2020 3:03 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Road maintenance cannot even keep up with chronically broken pressure sensors, to detect vehicles waiting at a traffic light.
Streets buckling from heat and frost, potholes are rampant. This is likely the worst in locations with low elevations, compared to water nearby. But the human need for water has most large communities located near rivers, lakes.

Coils of electromagnetic energy, sounds similar to Tesla Coils. The reason industry chose Alternating Current transmission over Tesla is because the coils would have given energy for free, no way to put a meter on it to charge people.
If cars get charged $ for charging, does every non-electric car get fined also?

Libtards used to claim Electromagnetic energy gave folk brain cancer, from miniscule power sources like cell phones. Maybe they still do.

I know many folk are certain that health dangers arise from windmill generators creating low frequency power.

Perhaps we could think of these people on the highway getting constantly magnetized as being MRI'd - and only the engineers get to wear lead bodysuits.

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Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Road maintenance cannot even keep up with chronically broken pressure sensors, to detect vehicles waiting at a traffic light.

No more than this is even necessary to say.

But Cap'n Cuckklefuck is going to pretend I'm not right because I don't have an engineering degree.

That's what happens when you let your smart phone do all of your thinking for you. Common sense goes right out the window.

Maybe Haken will keep the signal going for another 20 years and I can throw him one of the Told You So's from my bottomless bag of them when we're all still driving on our dumb roads in our dumb gas cars.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Friday, December 4, 2020 10:24 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No thinking is even necessary.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
But Cap'n Cuckklefuck is going to pretend I'm not right because I don't have no engineering degree.

Thanks for confirming your total ignorance.

But convince me you know how this would work. I can hardly wait to be impressed.

Also, verify you understand this isn't for "all roads everywhere" as you wrongly, poorly suggest.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
That's what happens when you let your smart phone do all of your thinking for you. Common sense goes right out the window.

Speaking of smartphones, don't they use inductive charging too? Gee, I wonder how that works? I anticipate your response to be something like, "Ha! Smartphones don't weigh as much as a cars does!" or something super smart like that.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Maybe Haken will keep the signal going for another 20 years and I can throw him one of the Told You So's from my bottomless bag of them when we're all still driving on our dumb roads in our dumb gas cars.

You better hope so - it's going to take you at least 20 years to be right about something.

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