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Tuesday, December 1, 2020 5:54 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: Daily Beast Editor Calls For "Humiliation" And "Incarceration" For Trump Supporters Authored by Jonathan Turley, We have been discussing the rising threats against Trump supporters, lawyers, and officials in recent weeks from Democratic members are calling for blacklists to the Lincoln Project leading a a national effort to harass and abuse any lawyers representing the Republican party or President Trump. Others are calling for banning those “complicit” from college campuses while still others are demanding a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to “hold Trump and his enablers accountable for the crimes they have committed.” Now, Daily Beast editor-at-large Rick Wilson has added his own call for “humiliation,” “incarceration” and even ritualistic suicides for Trump supporters in an unhinged, vulgar column. Wilson declared “[o]nly exposure, pain, humiliation, and (inshallah) incarceration will lead to a moment of reckoning for the GOP. Not surprisingly, Wilson is a key advisor to the Lincoln Project which was blocked recently on Twitter for abusive doxxing efforts directed at Republican lawyers. His column captures the level of hateful rhetoric fueled by the Lincoln Project, which is funded by thousands of lawyers despite its attacks on fellow members of the bar for their representation. “Remember, the Trump GOP is shorn of all ideological and philosophical pretense, and even when Trump leaves office, it’s not over. ‘His cultists’ reign of terror will shape elected GOP members as long as he and his foul spawn walk the earth unpunished. Only exposure, pain, humiliation, and (inshallah) incarceration will lead to a moment of reckoning for the GOP. It should start at the top and work down from there.” Wilson notes that he is not interested in the “reconciliation” part of “truth and reconciliation,” declaring a “hearty f— no” to people calling for reconciliation. Inside he called for the “motherf—ers” to consider “seppuku.” Just as I recently criticized Trump counsel Joe diGenova for his rhetoric about drawing and quartering Chris Krebs, I will assume that Wilson is not seriously calling for ritualistic suicides. However, he is clearly calling for retaliation against Trump supporters as the Lincoln Project has carried out in its campaign. Others like Elie Mystal, The Nation’s justice correspondent, have called for a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to investigate “[a]ll of these moral and ethical failures … and that’s before we get into the actual statutory crimes potentially committed by Trump, his administration, his enablers, and his family.” The call for a commission to establish the truth of past controversies is ironic given Mystal’s abuse of teenager Nicholas Sandmann. We previously discussed the case and the example of one such segment involving “Above the Law” writer Joe Patrice in his interview with Mystal, where he attacked this 16 year old boy as a racist. Patrice agreed with Mystal’s objections to Sandmann wearing his “racist [MAGA] hat.” They also objected to Sandmann doing interviews trying to defend himself with Mystal deriding how this “17-year-old kid makes the George Zimmerman defense for why he was allowed to deny access to a person of color.” Putting aside the fact that Sandmann was not denying “access to a person of color,” Mystal and Patrice were comparing this high school student to a man who was accused of murdering an unarmed African American kid and even assailing his effort to clear his name as the media continued to label him a racist. Mystal continued to slam Sandmann in postings on “Above the Law.” In one such posting, Mystal derided Sandmann for filing for defamation. Various media outfits later apologized or settled with Sandmann for their false reporting. What is most striking about these views is how disconnected they are to the actual election. Instead a “blue wave” and the widely predicted Democratic takeover of both houses, Republicans picked up a sizable number of seats in the House where Democrats have been reduced to the thinnest margin since World War II. The Republicans may retain the Senate and won handily in many state races across the country. Roughly 74 million people voted for Trump. I was not one of them, but that is roughly half of this nation. Yet, these writers continue to write as if the nation is now unified in rejecting the policies and priorities of the Trump Administration. It is the distortive effect of existing entirely in siloed media spaces where an alternative reality can be maintained and fostered. My greatest concern is how the media remain detached not only from roughly half of the country but from reality. It has decided that it will cater to literally one half of the country and foster openly biased narratives of what is still unfolding in this country. As I previously discussed, the loss is considerable since the public now has a deep and widening distrust for the media. The result is that our media is no longer viewed as a place for citizens to resolve questions over things like contested elections. There is only rage where reason once prevailed.
Tuesday, December 1, 2020 7:08 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Wednesday, December 2, 2020 6:51 AM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: I think this needs its own thread. SIG pulls most of her information that she posts here from this blog and stupidly defends it as a reputable source. As she continues to do so I will regenerate this thread to remind all it is a corrupted blog designed to create havoc rather than informing. Below are the names of those behind zero hedge. Don't miss what I've highlighted in red below. This folks is why comrade troll SIG loves to quote zero hedge.
Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:29 AM
Quote: Authored by Jonathan Turley, We have been discussing the rising threats against Trump supporters, lawyers, and officials in recent weeks from Democratic members are calling for blacklists
Quote:Lincoln Project leading a a national effort to harass and abuse any lawyers representing the Republican party or President Trump. Others are calling for banning those “complicit” from college campuses while still others are demanding a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to “hold Trump and his enablers accountable for the crimes they have committed.” The Lincoln Project is airing a commercial today celebrating the end of the politics of division and personal attacks as Twitter removed a tweet (with a skull-and-crossbones emoji) from The Lincoln Project...
Quote: We Won’t Forget and We Won’t Forgive What Trumpists Did to America It’s not enough to merely enjoy their agony and humiliation. It’s not enough to hope they’ll be shamed and correct their behavior. Have you not met these people? Rick Wilson
Quote:Editor-at-Large
Quote:The dark is rising for Trump’s sycophants, toadies and enablers. Their tough-guy acts and fuck-your-feelings shit-talk have become a furious whine of complaints and recriminations as a toxic slurry of rage and despair has left a stinging bile in the back of their throats that won’t go away. Trump lost, and they can’t spin their way past it. Even as his lawyers are all but chased out of each town where they file their absurd, doomed lawsuits, the true believers still imagine some miracle emerging from the wreckage of Trump’s campaign. The media apparatus that monetized the moronic state religion of Trumpism is still pumping their slowcoach followers full of stupid, easily disproven lies. The Professional Class of Republicans, though, know that the bitter end is here—that their dirty half-decade of personal abnegation and degradation is coming to a sick, sad finale. It would leave them with a sense of shame if they had any. Most of the GOP, Inc. types long ago lost that sensibility. Still, America is watching them experiencing a combination of fury and humiliation as Trump heads to the door before even dropping the cash on the nightstand. To our old friends and colleagues still stuck in Trump’s GOP, well, bless your hearts. You’re not getting out of this one with the old “run for the tall grass” strategy that served you so well before. In the time before social media, you might’ve slunk into some dark corner for a year or so and muttered over cocktails about how crazy it was when Trump was in office and the shit you had to do to stay in his crazed graces. But we live in a world where the internet is forever. The video of your self-abasement is copious, and your slavish devotion to Donald Trump will mark you forever. That’s you, Congressman. And you, Senator. And you, Governor. And an army of lobbyists, consultants, and advisers who pretended this was perfectly normal. On your best days you furrowed a brow or issued an elliptical Bible verse in the most weak-dick passive-aggressive statements possible. Let’s be honest with one another, though; most of you enjoyed every moment of Trump. You boasted that the world had changed. You bragged that finally there was a Republican badass who gave no fucks and owned the libs. All we had to give up to get there was everything that defined the center-right party for generations. You were just fine with the executive orders, the lawlessness, the statism, the betrayal of alliances around the world, and with that fucking clown as the leader of the party and the country. But voters have a longer memory than you credit them with. We also won’t forget the grubby sellouts in the Respectable Republican Media, with their strained contortions about how “Trump is bad, and we wish he wouldn’t tweet, but without him, AOC and George Soros will force mandatory green sharia socialist gay marriage on our pets.” That set is, in some sense, more contemptible that the gleeful sellouts who went full MAGA. I’m shocked seppuku hasn’t made a comeback among these people who hate themselves for their shabby, wretched series of personal and moral compromises under Trump. That goes double for you motherfuckers who went inside the Trump White House and kept promising that you were the one who was stopping all the bad shit from coming down. Either it was always a lie from the beginning, or you sucked at your jobs. After 250,000 deaths from COVID, a shattered economy, rampant corruption, and the egregious cruelty of the Trump era, no one forgets that you stood behind him and saw the lawless, reckless, rampant fuckery of Trump and Trumpism with nary a complaint. You stood there, cowed and callow, profiles in chickenshit more dedicated to re-election than to America. Now, you’re getting what’s coming to you. I’m not even going to hide it; I fucking love it. I know, I know. Some people believe we should enter a new era of comity and goodwill and that the Biden era will be a time of healing and cleaning up the national fabric that’s been stained from five years of Donald Trump ratfucking the nation’s character and psyche. We should offer a soft landing and a gentle exit from the Trump cult to give the conservative party of the United States a way to reclaim its values and virtues, right? To this, I must issue a hearty “fuck no.” “Only exposure, pain, humiliation, and (inshallah) incarceration will lead to a moment of reckoning for the GOP” This nation dodged a bullet only through the tireless efforts of millions of Americans determined to drive Trump from office. We barely got out of this one with the nation—and our sanity—intact. Accountability and responsibility were once hallmarks of character-based conservatism. They were central to the GOP’s political brand. And, as Republicans once knew, actions have consequences. In politics, business, community, and life, the conservative choice was one of probity, restraint, respect for law and tradition. Trading that in for “cry moar libtard shill” and “Your snowflake tears sustain me, cuck” has consequences. It’s not enough merely to enjoy their agony and humiliation. It’s not enough to hope they’ll be shamed and correct their behavior. Have you not met these people? There is no facile “both sides” argument here. This election was America versus the Trump criminal enterprise, and the people who made up the Vichy Republican claque shouldn’t merely be allowed to drift away from Trump with a shrug and a “Let’s put this behind us.” The Trump administration’s malfeasance, corruption, sadism, and fatal incompetence require a public, media, judicial, and political response. If no one is held to account for unequivocally illegal actions and for empowering and enabling the people who committed them, you know what we get, right? More of the same. Many Democrats, likely including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, will mistake the terrain ahead. They believe that “getting things done” is the coin of the realm. The Democrats will be shocked when Republicans derail their agenda, over and over again. They’ll think, “We’d rather discuss the Green New Deal than put the last four years under the spotlight again,” but that spotlight is the insurance policy they need as McConnell does his work. The Democrats should understand—but likely won’t—that Mitch McConnell’s role as Trump’s stay-behind vergeltungswaffen is only beginning. The other side will work daily to sabotage not only a legislative agenda but the nation itself. Remember, the Trump GOP is shorn of all ideological and philosophical pretense, and even when Trump leaves office, it’s not over. His cultists’ reign of terror will shape elected GOP members as long as he and his foul spawn walk the earth unpunished. Only exposure, pain, humiliation, and (inshallah) incarceration will lead to a moment of reckoning for the GOP. It should start at the top and work down from there.
Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:41 AM
REAVERFAN
Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Great projecting, Russian troll! ^
Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:03 AM
Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:14 PM
Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:47 AM
Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: If all I did was look at the corporate news and corporate social media, I'd be totally misinformed about everything.
Thursday, December 3, 2020 2:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: If all I did was look at the corporate news and corporate social media, I'd be totally misinformed about everything.You're not misinformed. You are paid to disinform. You are a paid liar and an enemy of the United States. You know damn well that you're a lying Russian troll. We all know it.
Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Trumptards are traitors. They should be treated as such. Humiliate them. Incarcerate them. Prisons filled with trumptard terrorists. It's coming, bitches. We will save America from you fascists. You will regret your evil. The good guys will win.
Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:27 PM
Friday, December 4, 2020 1:00 AM
Quote:REAVERBOT: Trumptards are traitors. They should be treated as such. Humiliate them. Incarcerate them. Prisons filled with trumptard terrorists. It's coming, bitches. We will save America from you fascists. You will regret your evil. The good guys will win. SIX: The insanity manages to grow even more insane.
Friday, December 4, 2020 7:43 PM
Saturday, December 5, 2020 1:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I can't in a million years allow myself to believe that this is true. That's not to say that the thought hasn't crossed my mind once or twice. Frem is certainly smart enough to entirely change his posting habits in such a way that you wouldn't know it was him. I just really don't want to believe that it is actually him that hates me as much as Marcos does though. I know we've had our differences and he was among those I really pissed off while I was a drunk waste of carbon, but jesus christ. What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)
Saturday, December 5, 2020 7:20 AM
WHOZIT
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Look, THUGR, either Daily Beast's Rick Wilson called for Trump supporters' "humiliation" and "Incarceration" ... or he didn't. If he did, it doesn't matter WHO reports it, since it's a true fact. Fortunately for me ... AND YOU, the author of this article LINKS to everything he said "they" said, so you can go back to the original opinion pieces and news articles ... and backtrack to what was originally published in full, and decide for yourself whether it was a true summation or not. I'll provide you with one example so you can see how it's done ***** Quote: Authored by Jonathan Turley, We have been discussing the rising threats against Trump supporters, lawyers, and officials in recent weeks from Democratic members are calling for blacklists Helpfully links to Quote:Lincoln Project leading a a national effort to harass and abuse any lawyers representing the Republican party or President Trump. Others are calling for banning those “complicit” from college campuses while still others are demanding a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to “hold Trump and his enablers accountable for the crimes they have committed.” The Lincoln Project is airing a commercial today celebrating the end of the politics of division and personal attacks as Twitter removed a tweet (with a skull-and-crossbones emoji) from The Lincoln Project... https://jonathanturley.org/2020/11/11/with-malice-for-all-lincoln-project-unleashes-attacks-on-lawyers-who-represent-the-trump-campaign-as-it-runs-a-commercial-on-the-new-unity-and-civility/ which helpfully links to the commercial itself from the Lincoln Project https://lincolnproject.us/video/dawn/ so you can watch FOR YOURSELF what the Lincoln Project published. **** That's just one example out of literally a DOZEN links in the article which back up exactly what author Johnathan Turley claims. As far as his contention about The Daily Beast, THAT TOO is linked. This is from the Daily Beast Itself ... Quote: We Won’t Forget and We Won’t Forgive What Trumpists Did to America It’s not enough to merely enjoy their agony and humiliation. It’s not enough to hope they’ll be shamed and correct their behavior. Have you not met these people? Rick Wilson well, how's THAT for a start? Aside from the implicit threat, whowould want to unify with THAT??? Quote:Editor-at-Large Daily Beast can hardly claim that this was written by some third-party stringer who got publisged just in the interest of representing a full range of pinion, since I presume you know what an "editor-at-large" represents Quote:The dark is rising for Trump’s sycophants, toadies and enablers. Their tough-guy acts and fuck-your-feelings shit-talk have become a furious whine of complaints and recriminations as a toxic slurry of rage and despair has left a stinging bile in the back of their throats that won’t go away. Trump lost, and they can’t spin their way past it. Even as his lawyers are all but chased out of each town where they file their absurd, doomed lawsuits, the true believers still imagine some miracle emerging from the wreckage of Trump’s campaign. The media apparatus that monetized the moronic state religion of Trumpism is still pumping their slowcoach followers full of stupid, easily disproven lies. The Professional Class of Republicans, though, know that the bitter end is here—that their dirty half-decade of personal abnegation and degradation is coming to a sick, sad finale. It would leave them with a sense of shame if they had any. Most of the GOP, Inc. types long ago lost that sensibility. Still, America is watching them experiencing a combination of fury and humiliation as Trump heads to the door before even dropping the cash on the nightstand. To our old friends and colleagues still stuck in Trump’s GOP, well, bless your hearts. You’re not getting out of this one with the old “run for the tall grass” strategy that served you so well before. In the time before social media, you might’ve slunk into some dark corner for a year or so and muttered over cocktails about how crazy it was when Trump was in office and the shit you had to do to stay in his crazed graces. But we live in a world where the internet is forever. The video of your self-abasement is copious, and your slavish devotion to Donald Trump will mark you forever. That’s you, Congressman. And you, Senator. And you, Governor. And an army of lobbyists, consultants, and advisers who pretended this was perfectly normal. On your best days you furrowed a brow or issued an elliptical Bible verse in the most weak-dick passive-aggressive statements possible. Let’s be honest with one another, though; most of you enjoyed every moment of Trump. You boasted that the world had changed. You bragged that finally there was a Republican badass who gave no fucks and owned the libs. All we had to give up to get there was everything that defined the center-right party for generations. You were just fine with the executive orders, the lawlessness, the statism, the betrayal of alliances around the world, and with that fucking clown as the leader of the party and the country. But voters have a longer memory than you credit them with. We also won’t forget the grubby sellouts in the Respectable Republican Media, with their strained contortions about how “Trump is bad, and we wish he wouldn’t tweet, but without him, AOC and George Soros will force mandatory green sharia socialist gay marriage on our pets.” That set is, in some sense, more contemptible that the gleeful sellouts who went full MAGA. I’m shocked seppuku hasn’t made a comeback among these people who hate themselves for their shabby, wretched series of personal and moral compromises under Trump. That goes double for you motherfuckers who went inside the Trump White House and kept promising that you were the one who was stopping all the bad shit from coming down. Either it was always a lie from the beginning, or you sucked at your jobs. After 250,000 deaths from COVID, a shattered economy, rampant corruption, and the egregious cruelty of the Trump era, no one forgets that you stood behind him and saw the lawless, reckless, rampant fuckery of Trump and Trumpism with nary a complaint. You stood there, cowed and callow, profiles in chickenshit more dedicated to re-election than to America. Now, you’re getting what’s coming to you. I’m not even going to hide it; I fucking love it. I know, I know. Some people believe we should enter a new era of comity and goodwill and that the Biden era will be a time of healing and cleaning up the national fabric that’s been stained from five years of Donald Trump ratfucking the nation’s character and psyche. We should offer a soft landing and a gentle exit from the Trump cult to give the conservative party of the United States a way to reclaim its values and virtues, right? To this, I must issue a hearty “fuck no.” “Only exposure, pain, humiliation, and (inshallah) incarceration will lead to a moment of reckoning for the GOP” This nation dodged a bullet only through the tireless efforts of millions of Americans determined to drive Trump from office. We barely got out of this one with the nation—and our sanity—intact. Accountability and responsibility were once hallmarks of character-based conservatism. They were central to the GOP’s political brand. And, as Republicans once knew, actions have consequences. In politics, business, community, and life, the conservative choice was one of probity, restraint, respect for law and tradition. Trading that in for “cry moar libtard shill” and “Your snowflake tears sustain me, cuck” has consequences. It’s not enough merely to enjoy their agony and humiliation. It’s not enough to hope they’ll be shamed and correct their behavior. Have you not met these people? There is no facile “both sides” argument here. This election was America versus the Trump criminal enterprise, and the people who made up the Vichy Republican claque shouldn’t merely be allowed to drift away from Trump with a shrug and a “Let’s put this behind us.” The Trump administration’s malfeasance, corruption, sadism, and fatal incompetence require a public, media, judicial, and political response. If no one is held to account for unequivocally illegal actions and for empowering and enabling the people who committed them, you know what we get, right? More of the same. Many Democrats, likely including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, will mistake the terrain ahead. They believe that “getting things done” is the coin of the realm. The Democrats will be shocked when Republicans derail their agenda, over and over again. They’ll think, “We’d rather discuss the Green New Deal than put the last four years under the spotlight again,” but that spotlight is the insurance policy they need as McConnell does his work. The Democrats should understand—but likely won’t—that Mitch McConnell’s role as Trump’s stay-behind vergeltungswaffen is only beginning. The other side will work daily to sabotage not only a legislative agenda but the nation itself. Remember, the Trump GOP is shorn of all ideological and philosophical pretense, and even when Trump leaves office, it’s not over. His cultists’ reign of terror will shape elected GOP members as long as he and his foul spawn walk the earth unpunished. Only exposure, pain, humiliation, and (inshallah) incarceration will lead to a moment of reckoning for the GOP. It should start at the top and work down from there. This article is like the caetoon that REAVERBOT posted, where he LITERALLY had to paste the word HATE! coming from people's mouths in order to create an image of the people that he, himself, hates. It is a hateful, hate-filled mischaracterization of Trump supporters that attempts to justify HIS OWN hate by projecting on to other people, much like WISHY envisions killing 7+billion people because - in her sick, twisted imagination- she believes that "they" are all "fascists". Reading the posts here, the hate-filled people... the name-callers, libellers, liars, those calling for shooting and burning and general genocide...they're all from YOUR side. Are they not? So, who is the hater here? ***** By quoting the full upinion piece in the Daily Beast, I'm sure you can see that SOME anti-Trumpers are as hate-filled as they claim the MAGA people are. Also, you can see that the ZH article really doesn't do justice to the bile and venom published elsewhere, that Turley is presenting a true picture of what Rick Wilson himself ppublshed, and that the article is FULLY LINKED to its original sources. And that's a lot more than the NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, or CNN can claim, since they content thmselves with quoting "anonymous sources" who can never be held accountable for what they blab. I hope you take this as a lesson in sourcing. Also, as I have mentioned before, you REALLY should go look up what constitutes EVIDENCE in a court of law, so you don't just keep taking gossip and lies on faith, but look behind statements to try and find the truth behind them. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #WEARAMASK
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