Maybe this iz wut we need? by JO753

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

It's all about Jack, all the time, I guess.

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Saturday, February 13, 2021 3:40 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I lucked into the fucking job, but it wasn't given to me. I earned that too.

And then I kept it until my salary was shipped to India to pay 6 people a living wage. I got two promotions while I was there and doubled my salary because I was fucking great at it, just like every fucking job I've ever fucking done.

I'm the best at whatever I do.

I choose not to play the game anymore. I'm able to do that because of what I did and continue to do with that money. That's in many ways more important than making the money in the first place.

I can pretty much guaranty that over the course of my life I've made less money than your old dummy friends that don't have a pot to piss in now. I've only had 5 or 6 good years. I've been unemployed more years than I've made good money, and the rest was making damn near minimum wage.

They've got nothing because they're old dummies who were dummies over the course of their entire lives with their money. Mindless consumers who couldn't stop consuming.

Boo fucking hoo.

Capice?

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Well, you can't possibly be "the best" because my hubby is. Professional motorcycle and car repair? Motorcycle racing? Racquetball? Physics? Philosophy? Political and economics analysis? Computer design, system programming, and security? Research instrument design and build? Construction and woodwoorking? Husband and father? And, oh yeah ... being in a abusive home, homeless and working his way up?

Anything you did, SIX, you're just a piker in comparison.

I'll grant that you're a bright guy, certainly brighter than the people around you, but you're just a medium-sized fish in a small pond.

Same goes for JO.

So I wouldn't get too cocky, if I were you. KIKI and I, I think we made better life choices overall, and we're prolly just as smart. And there will ALWAYS be someone smarter than you.

But I don't hold that against you. You're still an OK guy.

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Saturday, February 13, 2021 3:57 AM

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SIGNYM: I'm always happy to find areas of agreement, but if you won't discuss your opinions I suppose we'll never find out.

JO: I'm happy to discuss wen I hav the time. But I dont hav a bunch theze dayz, so cant waste any churning debunks.

OK, so I went back to your website to find areas of agreement. Skipping the parts in your intro, in which you obsess (IMHO) about Putin, turning him into some cartoonish and unrealistically clever, powerful bad guy...

Let's go to areas of agreement, and maybe flesh them out or define them

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We can't have an election system that regularly puts dangerous incompetents in office.

Agreed. What is your fix?

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We can't have 2 political parties using the government as a boxing ring to bash each other.

Also agreed. I think the two parties are both beholden to money, and make a show out of hating each other, but no real change in policy happens.

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We are already living in a virtual oligarchy and rapidly heading toward a Hunger Games future. As more and more areas of employment become automated or outmoded by technology, the $$$ that used to flow into society simply get passed up to the wealthy individuals and corporations at the top.

Agreed. How do you think this is happening, and what is your fix?

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We can't have 80% of the population living as debt slaves till they are senior citizens, then getting shuffled off to nursing homes that drain their meager savings.

A government is an organization intended to implement some idea of what civilization should be.
Judging by how America's version of civilization is not working for most of us and never has, it is clear that there are fundamental flaws that need to be corrected.

Except for the part where you say "never" ("Never say never.") I mosly agree with your statements. How do you think the situation got so clusterfucked, and how can it be fixed?

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Saturday, February 13, 2021 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:OK, so I went back to your website to find areas of agreement. Skipping the parts in your intro, in which you obsess (IMHO) about Putin, turning him into some cartoonish and unrealistically clever, powerful bad guy...

Duznt need to be unusually smart. Just needz to be ruthless. Having sum amazing dirt on Trump coud possibly be ascribed to luk.

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Sig: Let's go to areas of agreement, and maybe flesh them out or define them

JO: We can't have an election system that regularly puts dangerous incompetents in office.

Sig: Agreed. What is your fix?

The obvious - get rid uv the electoral collej. No more Jerrymandering. Then, I like the idea uv preferential voting. Mandatory voting with automatic rejistration iz a good idea.

The money needz to be taken out uv the system sumhow. Or at least limited to sum sane amount. I'm reading A Promised Land. Just finished the chapterz about Obamaz 2008 campane. An amazing story, but it shoudnt take such a monumental effort to pik sumwun for the job.

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JO: We can't have 2 political parties using the government as a boxing ring to bash each other.

Sig: Also agreed. I think the two parties are both beholden to money, and make a show out of hating each other, but no real change in policy happens.

Reinstating the Fairness Doctrin coud go a long way to improving thingz. The current GoP coud not exist without the freedom to lie.

It seemz likely they will sine their DNR form this weekend tho, so we may end up with a defacto single party system eventually.

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JO: We are already living in a virtual oligarchy and rapidly heading toward a Hunger Games future. As more and more areas of employment become automated or outmoded by technology, the $$$ that used to flow into society simply get passed up to the wealthy individuals and corporations at the top.
Sig: Agreed. How do you think this is happening, and what is your fix?

Well, therez 3 pajez about money on the site. Plenty uv ideaz there, sum uv them from you and otherz here.

If I had the opportunity to do only 1 thing about it, I woud outlaw interest. (and anything that duz the same thing)

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JO: Judging by how America's version of civilization is not working for most of us and never has, it is clear that there are fundamental flaws that need to be corrected.

Sig: Except for the part where you say "never" ("Never say never.") I mosly agree with your statements. How do you think the situation got so clusterfucked, and how can it be fixed?

Maybe 'most' iz a little bit uv an exajeration, but wen wuz the time wen it did work?

Defining 'work' in the case uv sivilization iz complicated.

Its alwayz been screwed up. Fundamental flawz in our specie'z thot prosessez make it unlikely that we will ever create a perfect sosiety, but we coud do way better than this mess. Many countryz hav better guvrments than the US.

Sorry, out uv time for now.

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Saturday, February 13, 2021 4:31 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:OK, so I went back to your website to find areas of agreement. Skipping the parts in your intro, in which you obsess (IMHO) about Putin, turning him into some cartoonish and unrealistically clever, powerful bad guy...

Duznt need to be unusually smart. Just needz to be ruthless. Having sum amazing dirt on Trump coud possibly be ascribed to luk.

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Sig: Let's go to areas of agreement, and maybe flesh them out or define them

JO: We can't have an election system that regularly puts dangerous incompetents in office.

Sig: Agreed. What is your fix?

The obvious - get rid uv the electoral collej. No more Jerrymandering. Then, I like the idea uv preferential voting. Mandatory voting with automatic rejistration iz a good idea.

The money needz to be taken out uv the system sumhow. Or at least limited to sum sane amount. I'm reading A Promised Land. Just finished the chapterz about Obamaz 2008 campane. An amazing story, but it shoudnt take such a monumental effort to pik sumwun for the job.

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JO: We can't have 2 political parties using the government as a boxing ring to bash each other.

Sig: Also agreed. I think the two parties are both beholden to money, and make a show out of hating each other, but no real change in policy happens.

Reinstating the Fairness Doctrin coud go a long way to improving thingz. The current GoP coud not exist without the freedom to lie.

It seemz likely they will sine their DNR form this weekend tho, so we may end up with a defacto single party system eventually.

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JO: We are already living in a virtual oligarchy and rapidly heading toward a Hunger Games future. As more and more areas of employment become automated or outmoded by technology, the $$$ that used to flow into society simply get passed up to the wealthy individuals and corporations at the top.
Sig: Agreed. How do you think this is happening, and what is your fix?

Well, therez 3 pajez about money on the site. Plenty uv ideaz there, sum uv them from you and otherz here.

If I had the opportunity to do only 1 thing about it, I woud outlaw interest. (and anything that duz the same thing)

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JO: Judging by how America's version of civilization is not working for most of us and never has, it is clear that there are fundamental flaws that need to be corrected.

Sig: Except for the part where you say "never" ("Never say never.") I mosly agree with your statements. How do you think the situation got so clusterfucked, and how can it be fixed?

Maybe 'most' iz a little bit uv an exajeration, but wen wuz the time wen it did work?

Defining 'work' in the case uv sivilization iz complicated.

Its alwayz been screwed up. Fundamental flawz in our specie'z thot prosessez make it unlikely that we will ever create a perfect sosiety, but we coud do way better than this mess. Many countryz hav better guvrments than the US.

Sorry, out uv time for now.

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Out of time here too. I should have come here first instead of engaging with SECONDRATE.
But much food for thought and discussion! Will definitely get back to this, thanks!

BTW just OOC what's been keeping you soon busy lately?

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Saturday, February 13, 2021 5:39 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW just OOC what's been keeping you soon busy lately?

Mostly wocing the impeachment and reading Obama'z book.

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Sunday, February 14, 2021 4:16 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW just OOC what's been keeping you soon busy lately?

Mostly wocing the impeachment and reading Obama'z book.

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Oh, I was kind of hoping it was a decent-paying job. Sorry, JO.

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Sunday, February 14, 2021 4:43 AM

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SIGNY: OK, so I went back to your website to find areas of agreement. Skipping the parts in your intro, in which you obsess (IMHO) about Putin, turning him into some cartoonish and unrealistically clever, powerful bad guy...

JO: Duznt need to be unusually smart. Just needz to be ruthless. Having sum amazing dirt on Trump coud possibly be ascribed to luk.

But even if he had dirt on Trump, which I seriously doubt, what has he done with that information that's such a serious threat to us? You can't threaten or harm by means that are so secret that nobody would find out. In order to be a real threat, you have to move troops, or spend a lot of money, or something. Find me a couple of examples where Russia has seriously harmed our interests, bc I'm not seeing it.

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Sig: Let's go to areas of agreement, and maybe flesh them out or define them

JO: We can't have an election system that regularly puts dangerous incompetents in office.

Sig: Agreed. What is your fix?

JO: The obvious - get rid uv the electoral collej.

How does that fix stupid voting? It seems to me that you've already decided that half of the voters in the USA are "the problem" and the only thing that you're doing is reducing their influence as much as possible. But what happens if those "problem" voters become the majority?? what have you fixed?

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JO: No more Jerrymandering.

I agree, but that's not directly pertinent to the problem.

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JO: Then, I like the idea uv preferential voting. Mandatory voting with automatic rejistration iz a good idea.

That's like grabbing the first 12 people off the street ... literally, street people ... to create a jury. The people you envision voting, they're like the people on the Wilcos show. They have no interest in voting and they sure won't look into the issues. I REALLY don't think that would solve the problem of stupid voting, or incompetent politicians!

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JO: The money needz to be taken out uv the system sumhow. Or at least limited to sum sane amount.

Agreed. And since much of that $$ goes to advert, one way to reduce the influence of $$ is to REQUIRE that broadcasters and internet providers provide free, prime-time hours to candidates who reach a certain threshold of voters.

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JO: I'm reading A Promised Land. Just finished the chapterz about Obamaz 2008 campane. An amazing story, but it shoudnt take such a monumental effort to pik sumwun for the job.

Not having read the book, what was so monumental about it?

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JO: We can't have 2 political parties using the government as a boxing ring to bash each other.

Sig: Also agreed. I think the two parties are both beholden to money, and make a show out of hating each other, but no real change in policy happens.

JO: Reinstating the Fairness Doctrin coud go a long way to improving thingz. The current GoP coud not exist without the freedom to lie.

What about not allowing corporate social media to censor speech? Instead of censoring views, media should be REQUIRED to provide an unbaised platform where ALL views are given a fair hearing, and the truth will be thrashed out in the marketplace of ideas.

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JO: It seemz likely they will sine their DNR ...

Do Not Rescusitate?

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... form this weekend tho, so we may end up with a defacto single party system eventually.

???

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JO: We are already living in a virtual oligarchy and rapidly heading toward a Hunger Games future. As more and more areas of employment become automated or outmoded by technology, the $$$ that used to flow into society simply get passed up to the wealthy individuals and corporations at the top.

Sig: Agreed. How do you think this is happening, and what is your fix?

JO: Well, therez 3 pajez about money on the site. Plenty uv ideaz there, sum uv them from you and otherz here.

If I had the opportunity to do only 1 thing about it, I woud outlaw interest. (and anything that duz the same thing)

Huh, interesting. I think I'd outlaw fractional reserve banking, because that's what allows banks to create money out of thin air, lend it out, and then demand real money in repayment.

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JO: Judging by how America's version of civilization is not working for most of us and never has, it is clear that there are fundamental flaws that need to be corrected.

Sig: Except for the part where you say "never" ("Never say never.") I mostly agree with your statements. How do you think the situation got so clusterfucked, and how can it be fixed?

JO: Maybe 'most' iz a little bit uv an exajeration, but wen wuz the time wen it did work?
Defining 'work' in the case uv sivilization iz complicated.

Always! But that's what makes it so interesting to think about! And I would love to think about it with somebody!

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JO: Its alwayz been screwed up. Fundamental flawz in our specie'z thot prosessez make it unlikely that we will ever create a perfect sosiety, but we coud do way better than this mess. Many countryz hav better guvrments than the US.

Sorry, out uv time for now.

What are the fundamental flaws, as you see them? I have my own thoughts on the matter, but I'm itching to find out what you think.

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Thursday, February 18, 2021 9:50 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We're all turning into the villain on 12 Monkeys here.

Just woct it.

A greater movie than I remembered.

The C19 pandemic provez the consept - sins our sivilization wuz so eazily bumped off the tracks by a natural virus, a virus enjineered to do az much damaj az possible woud probably be seksesful.

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Thursday, February 18, 2021 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:But even if he had dirt on Trump, which I seriously doubt, what has he done with that information that's such a serious threat to us?...Find me a couple of examples where Russia has seriously harmed our interests, bc I'm not seeing it.

First and foremost, he put an incompetent idiot megalomaniac into the Oval Offis. If he did nothing after that, it woud hav been bad enuf. Just look at wut Bush jr did in 2 termz and he wuz merely an incompetent idiot and nowhere near az incompetent and idiotic az Trump.

I am not sertain about this, but I think Trump only really ran for Prez bekuz Putin ordered him to. Otherwize he woud hav not run at all or maybe did hiz usual teazer publisity stunts. Crooks do not want too much scrutiny! Running for Prez haz been likened to a 2 year colonoscopy. He really just wanted to copy Glen Beck and start a media empire.

The bad respons to the pandemic in the US iz a direct and undeniable rezult uv having such a person az Prez.

It currently seemz like there woudnt need to be a spesific command from Putin to account for Trump's mishandling uv the pandemic. He started by eliminating Obama'z pandemic respons team, long befor the pandemic began. That coud be credited az part uv hiz vendeta to undo everything Obama did.

BUT it duznt eliminate it az a possibilty. All thingz considered, especially internationally, this mite be the greatest accomplishment Trump delivered.

Example 2. Hollowing out the State Department. Equivelent to putting noize canselling ear muffs and a sack over Uncle Samz hed. Def and blind and muzzled to the world.

more later.

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Thursday, February 18, 2021 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We're all turning into the villain on 12 Monkeys here.

Just woct it.

A greater movie than I remembered.

The C19 pandemic provez the consept - sins our sivilization wuz so eazily bumped off the tracks by a natural virus, a virus enjineered to do az much damaj az possible woud probably be seksesful.

Yeah. It's a great flick. Especially since it was back when Willis gave a shit about his career and wasn't just phoning in the performances.

But it's also because of movies like this that everyone finds it super hard to ever have a real conversation about overpopulation.

Look at Nilbog's post to me in the "Bitch" thread. She somehow thinks that my comments about overpopulation and the fact that not only will a virus out of our control someday really come and knock a large portion of us out is an eventuality, but it is also a necessity for the continuance of the human species and possibly all life on this earth is on the same level as her constant wishing of death on anybody she doesn't like.

Most people are so uncomfortable about the topic that quite a few would be automatically inclined to take somebody like her side on that too.

I don't wish it to happen. It's just inevitable and ultimately essential.

There's a huge difference between hate and pragmatism.

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Friday, February 19, 2021 11:03 AM

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SIGNYM: But even if he had dirt on Trump, which I seriously doubt, what has he done with that information that's such a serious threat to us? ...Find me a couple of examples where Russia has seriously harmed our interests, bc I'm not seeing it.

JO: First and foremost, he put an incompetent idiot megalomaniac into the Oval Offis. If he did nothing after that, it woud hav been bad enuf. Just look at wut Bush jr did in 2 termz and he wuz merely an incompetent idiot and nowhere near az incompetent and idiotic az Trump.

Bush Jr
failed to prevent the biggest terror attack on the USA (IMHO a LIHOP operation),
signed the so-called "Patriot Act",
actively abused the "enemy combatant" designation, and signed off on black torture sites and extrarodinary rendition
started two big MILITARY wars, created a giant power vacuum in the Mideast, promoting the formation of ISIS,
expanded Medicare to drug coverage without the ability to bargain with big pharma,
cut taxes for the wealthy
specifically prohibited the various States Attorney General from prosecuting fradulent lending, robosigning and other illegal "subprime" mortgage lending practices, setting the stage for the 2008 meltdown
presided over and approved China's accession into the WTO
blew the Federal deficit
maintained a close relationship with the Saud family

That's a lot of damage from one President! (Don't worry, I can create a similarlist for both Bill Clinton and Obama.)

Simply calling Trumps names ("incompetent idiot megalomaniac") does NOT answer the question about WHAT HARM RUSSIA DID TO THE USA. Be specific.

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JO: I am not sertain about this, but I think Trump only really ran for Prez bekuz Putin ordered him to. Otherwize he woud hav not run at all or maybe did hiz usual teazer publisity stunts. Crooks do not want too much scrutiny! Running for Prez haz been likened to a 2 year colonoscopy. He really just wanted to copy Glen Beck and start a media empire.

Speculation into motive, doesn't answer the question.

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JO: The bad respons to the pandemic in the US iz a direct and undeniable rezult uv having such a person az Prez.
It currently seemz like there woudnt need to be a spesific command from Putin to account for Trump's mishandling uv the pandemic.

Well, in looking around the world I would say that "bad responses" abounded everywhere. Whether you locked down an economy (California) or not (Sweden) the virus burned its way thru every population. The only thing lockdowns did ... aside from killing an economy ... was to slow the rate of infection somewhat.

So, hindsight being 20/20, what would YOU have done?

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JO: He started by eliminating Obama'z pandemic respons team, long befor the pandemic began. That coud be credited az part uv hiz vendeta to undo everything Obama did.

Remembe that list of GWB's harm to the USA? Well, I COULD write one just as long for Obama. Much of what Obama did deserved to be undone.

The pandemic response was punted to the CDC, which is where it should have been all along. The CDC blew the response, too, because they were too politically-motivated and also seemed to push lockdowns and vaccines as the only possible responses to the pandemic. There is good evidence and several large studies showing that HCQ does, in fact, PREVENT development of Covid-19 symptoms (as a treatment, not so much), but bc Trump said it the entire liberal medical bureaucracy, M$M, and social media decided to censure, and censor, that information.

Btw the WHO blew its response as well, which was (IMHO) excessively concerned about costing the holders of "pandemic bonds" billions (trillions?) of dollars and excessively deferential to China, and which delayed the declaration of a pandemic far after it was obvious to the most brain-dead observer that a pandemic had been raging for months.

Also, as an aside, CUOMO is being investigated for his policy of forcing "recovering" Covid patients into nursing homes. Since 40% of deaths occurred in nursing homes and many of those occurred in NY, who gets the blame for that?

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JO: BUT it duznt eliminate it az a possibilty. All thingz considered, especially internationally, this mite be the greatest accomplishment Trump delivered.

Example 2. Hollowing out the State Department. Equivelent to putting noize canselling ear muffs and a sack over Uncle Samz hed. Def and blind and muzzled to the world.

Much of the State Department is tightly linked to the CIA, the DNC and neocons. They're not objective or neutral observers of world politics, THEY HAVE AN AGENDA. Witness "fuck the EU" Nuland, the entire State Department's pay-to-play operation under Hillary (and her 33,000 deleted emails about Chelsea's wedding and yoga pants) Benghazi (which as a CIA gun-running operation from Libya to Syria), Ukraine being turned into a piggy-bank for the Biden family, Obama's failed "color revolution/support the jihadist" policies, and the "quid pro quo" clusterfuck that was the first impeachment. State Department, like the CIA, while not ENTIRELY corrupt, was certainly rotten at the top levels.

But you haven't actually answered the question: WHAT HARM has Trump caused the USA? Be specific. Events, please.

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JO: more later.

Okie dokie

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No, no it doesn't.

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Friday, February 19, 2021 1:52 PM

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The reason why I provided A LIST of everything GWB did wrong was to give you an example of the kind of response I'm looking for about Trump.

Sure, I could call GWB a "brain dead dry-drunk neocon sock puppet" but that really doesn't advance the discussion.

So, please provide A LIST of how Russia has harmed the United States. Or if you want to lay this all at Trump's feet, A LIST of how Trump has harmed the USA.

Thanks!

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Monday, February 22, 2021 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Simply calling Trumps names ("incompetent idiot megalomaniac") does NOT answer the question about WHAT HARM RUSSIA DID TO THE USA. Be specific.

That in itself iz very spesific. The offis uv The Prez uv The United States uv America, being the most powerful pozition on the planet, shoud be respected by the entire free world and feared by all autocrats.

Unfortunately, not many uv the occupierz uv the pozition hav lived up to it, but Putin'z puppet brot it to a new low.

With a clear purpose to degrade anything and everything that mite be a + mark for America compared to other nationz, Putin showed hiz hand bekuz most uv it wuz beyond Trump's knowlej and mental abilityz.

Trump worked hard to jenerate divisionz with our alliez. He openly cozied up to autocrats. He took every opportunity to drop hiz pants (and America'z by extension) for Putin in public.

Disonr, disgust, derision. Any word you can think uv thats in the catagory oppozit uv the category associated with respect.

He started long before winning the election just by being himself - an embarrassing crude clown. That gi mite bekum prezident?! America! HA!

And then he winz. FOOEEYY on America! Everybody join me in pissing on America now!

But the minit he sat down behind the Rezolut Desk iz wen he really went to work.

Appointing idiots and anti-purpose criminalz to disable federal ajensiez. (remember Ben Carson? Scott Pruit?)

Went with nepotizm like he wuz competing for an international title.

Named Frend uv Russia medalist Rex Tillerson for Secretary uv State.

The world wuz not thinking 'wow! look how great America iz!' at any point during the last 5 yirz.

Its been 4 yirz uv apprehension about wuts going to come out uv The White House next. Another deregulatory attack on the envirement? More give-awayz for the rich andor jiant corporationz? Or will it just be the usual streem uv stoopid obvious liez?

The other day I notist that I hav developed a mental flinch at the mere mention uv 'the Wite House' on the newz. I hav to remind myself that Biden iz Prezident now!

So, you want more spesifics. In addition to the international loss uv respect, herez a few off the top uv my hed:

Haf a million ded frum C19 so far, a quarter uv the world total.

The first attack on The Union sins the Sivil War.

The divisionz in the sitizenry are wider than ever, nearly haf uv us are off the deep end in a fantasy land where Trump iz the greatest Prez ever.

At least 2 major seksesful hacks into the intel ajensiez (and all other ajensyz), the amount uv damaj haz yet to be determined.

Trade warz that gained nothing for anybody exept maybe Russia. (a direct effect on me wuz China halting the resycling biz. I hav about 200 poundz uv aluminum canz backed up here.)

Thats enuff but therez so much more. Keep in mind that I beleev you are Russian, so reazonably suspect that you mite be trying to trik me into doing an assessment for you - a sort uv 'here boss! Look wut we've accomplished az testified by the Americanz themselvez!'

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Monday, February 22, 2021 11:03 AM

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That in itself iz very spesific. The offis uv The Prez uv The United States uv America, being the most powerful pozition on the planet, shoud be respected by the entire free world and feared by all autocrats.

Outside of the USA, there is no free world. We are the only country with Constitutional protections for freedom of speech.

Your party is trying to destroy those now, JO.

I used to have the Democrats backs when the situation was reversed.

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Monday, February 22, 2021 11:08 PM

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So, please provide A LIST of how Russia has harmed the United States. Or if you want to lay this all at Trump's feet, A LIST of how Trump has harmed the USA.

Didja see her ask for a list she will then ignore??

Yeah??

TRAAAP!

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Monday, February 22, 2021 11:10 PM

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Your party is trying to destroy compulsive liars and disinformation peddlers now, JO.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Your party is trying to destroy compulsive liars and disinformation peddlers now, JO.

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Sorry Nilly. Democrats are trying to shred the Constitution and install censorship at every level in the 2020s.

I used to back them when I thought we were fighting the Republicans against that.

It doesn't mean I side with the Republicans though. I know they both want it.

You're just to fucking dumb to see that.

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Tuesday, February 23, 2021 9:21 AM

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Simply calling Trumps names ("incompetent idiot megalomaniac") does NOT answer the question about WHAT HARM RUSSIA DID TO THE USA. Be specific.

JO: That in itself iz very spesific. The offis uv The Prez uv The United States uv America, being the most powerful pozition on the planet, shoud be respected by the entire free world and feared by all autocrats.

WHY should our President be "feared by all autocrats?

Are you assuming that it is on OUR INTEREST ... that it benefits YOU AND ME in some real way ... for that USA to be "world cop" and to threaten or destroy every "autocratic" rule across the world? What good does that do for US? BE SPECIFIC. PROVIDE EXAMPLES (That's what you get for never answering the question "What are AMERICA'S interests?)

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Unfortunately, not many uv the occupierz uv the pozition hav lived up to it, but Putin'z puppet brot it to a new low.

HOW? WHAT DID TRUMP DO TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN?

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With a clear purpose to degrade anything and everything that mite be a + mark for America compared to other nationz, Putin showed hiz hand bekuz most uv it wuz beyond Trump's knowlej and mental abilityz.

WHAT are those items or characteristics that constitute an A+ mark for America, how has Trump "degraded" them, and what harm has it done to you and me? BE SPECIFIC. PROVIDE EXAMPLES.

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Trump worked hard to jenerate divisionz with our alliez. He openly cozied up to autocrats. He took every opportunity to drop hiz pants (and America'z by extension) for Putin in public.

Which allies? How has he sown division among them, along what lines? What harm has it done you and me? Are alliances ... and allies ... a good thing, especially when they've been free riding on America's military for decades?

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Disonr, disgust, derision. Any word you can think uv thats in the catagory oppozit uv the category associated with respect.

Again, WHO is disgusted with America, and why? Does it hurt our interests, or not?

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He started long before winning the election just by being himself - an embarrassing crude clown. That gi mite bekum prezident?! America! HA!

I'm tired of asking the same question over and over, and so I'm going to make a comment: You are FAR too sensitive to what (you think) the elite globalists think about trump. Boris Johnson is considered an "embarrassment" among the globalists, and yet he got Brexit done, and the British vaccine rollout is many month ahead of the von der Leyen's and EU'S and he seems to be doing a good job for Britain. So, aside from the "embarrassment"- which is simply your opinion of the globalist elite's opinion of Trump (and let's be frank: you're probably wrong about that)- what has Trump DONE to hurt America's interests. I have a list, and it's not all wrapped around Trump being an "embarrassment" ... which seems to be the sum total of your complaints about him.

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And then he winz. FOOEEYY on America! Everybody join me in pissing on America now!

What does that say about America?

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But the minit he sat down behind the Rezolut Desk iz wen he really went to work.

Appointing idiots and anti-purpose criminalz to disable federal ajensiez. (remember Ben Carson? Scott Pruit?)

So, what did THEY do? Because, frankly, I don't recall them at all.

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Went with nepotizm like he wuz competing for an international title.

Like? Jared Kushner? One person is not exactly world-class nepotism.

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Named Frend uv Russia medalist Rex Tillerson for Secretary uv State.

And then fired him not long into his Presidency. And,what did Rex Tillerson DO that was so terrible?

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The world wuz not thinking 'wow! look how great America iz!' at any point during the last 5 yirz.

"World" opinion seems to matter a great deal to you, but I don't think you really know "world opinion", you only know what the NYT and CNN etc tell you what "world opinion" is, which is "the elite talking about the elite".

Besides, why should we care about "world opinion"? Every time there is a MAJOR shift in policy, someone's ox is going to get gored and they will, of course, fight back. I'm thinking the EU bureaucracy specifically.

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Its been 4 yirz uv apprehension about wuts going to come out uv The White House next. Another deregulatory attack on the envirement? More give-awayz for the rich andor jiant corporationz? Or will it just be the usual streem uv stoopid obvious liez?

Well, as it turns out, Trump's tax policies were actually PROGRESSIVE, that means that more money was extracted from the wealthy than before. If you're going to criticize someone, at least get it right.

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The other day I notist that I hav developed a mental flinch at the mere mention uv 'the Wite House' on the newz. I hav to remind myself that Biden iz Prezident now!

I've developed that flinch with every President since GWB and Obama. So what?

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So, you want more spesifics. In addition to the international loss uv respect,

Which you have been harping on for many many paragraphs by now, which tbh seems to be your major complaint

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herez a few off the top uv my hed:

Haf a million ded frum C19 so far, a quarter uv the world total.

On a per-million people, how does that stack up to other nations? What should Trump have done otherwise?

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The first attack on The Union sins the Sivil War.

I have no idea what you're referring to. The first MAJOR attack on the USA was 9-11. What do you mean??

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The divisionz in the sitizenry are wider than ever, nearly haf uv us are off the deep end in a fantasy land where Trump iz the greatest Prez ever.

I blame this on the media which has gone FAR out of its way to endlessly smear Trump over nonexistent events. There are indeed people in la-la land about Trump, and you're one of them. There are other people who are in la-la land about Trump in the other direction, and I'm NOT one of them.

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At least 2 major seksesful hacks into the intel ajensiez (and all other ajensyz), the amount uv damaj haz yet to be determined.

The Solar Wind attack?

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Trade warz that gained nothing for anybody exept maybe Russia. (a direct effect on me wuz China halting the resycling biz. I hav about 200 poundz uv aluminum canz backed up here.)

DOOD, they're still taking aluminum recycling! Turn in those cans!

But let's discuss the trade war in detail, OK?

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Thats enuff

Well, of we collapse your many many paras about "embarrassment" into the one para that it prolly deserves, that's not a whole lot, and it doesn't hit anything on MY list.

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but therez so much more. Keep in mind that I beleev you are Russian,

Then you're stupid and brainwashed

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so reazonably suspect that you mite be trying to trik me into doing an assessment for you - a sort uv 'here boss! Look wut we've accomplished az testified by the Americanz themselvez!'

Jeezus, WTH would THAT gain me? I already know that you're off the deep end on Russia so what would that gain anyone who is Russian? (Which, to be very clear, I'm not. I'm a retired chemist born in WNYS living in the LA area who used to work for an environmental regulatory agency for many decades.)

If you want my list, why don't you answer my questions and I'll flesh out for you MY opinion of where Trump failed?

Yanno, I tried discussing this many times, once under "Trump: Good, bad and ugly" and many more times under "What are America's interests"? Because you can't know where Trump has failed until you have a clear AND SPECIFIC idea of what he should have done.

But maybe if you come up with some specific examples of Trump's failures, we can combine our lists. I ask for examples because the way my brain works, I can't understand your points if your statements are very general.

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Tuesday, February 23, 2021 5:29 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:WHY should our President be "feared by all autocrats?

Worth ansering, even tho it shoud be obvious.

Bad gize want to be able to do anything they want. Having a hier power abuv them iz hard to tolerate. Bad gize hoo hav rizen to the near ultimate pozition uv autocrat are naturally the worst, most ruthless and evil.

Its thanks to America and the international alliansez it created that theze toxic turdz hav sum fear uv retribution if they start trying to take over nayboring countriez or commit larj scale atrosityz on their own sitizenz.

Sum fear. Not alot. Thanks to endless examplz uv inaction by us and our alliez after atrositiez came to lite, the limits to wut they can get away with are very hi.

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Are you assuming that it is on OUR INTEREST ... that it benefits YOU AND ME in some real way ... for that USA to be "world cop" and to threaten or destroy every "autocratic" rule across the world?

Yes. Agen, it shoud be obvious.

If my free time holdz up for a few more weeks, I want to add an international polisy paje to the website. Part uv it will cover this subject.

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Tuesday, February 23, 2021 6:38 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

JO, you seem incapable of discussing FACTS. And I will not be reading anything else on your website either. I've really had enough of your arm-waving declarations with no FACTS to back them up.

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Tuesday, February 23, 2021 6:55 PM

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Sorry Nilly. Democrats are trying to shred the Constitution and install censorship at every level in the 2020s.

Not every level, just the dregs levels you live on

Find a brain and some work ethic and maybe someone will care what you think one day.

6ix REALLY believes it's ok to wish pandemic deaths on the world but that HE is special and should be exempt from it

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Tuesday, February 23, 2021 7:22 PM

lol

The Nilbot appears to be programmed to believe that actual humans care about its synthetic opinions.

How cute.

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Tuesday, February 23, 2021 7:34 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

When I was a newbie here in SoCal and was in the first year or 2 of my job (so many decades ago the exact time escapes me) I was sent to an AWMA - Air and Waste Management Association - conference.

And kind of by happenstance, but not really, I ended up seated at the same as table as - and right next to - a guy. What I didn't notice was that people were really avoiding that table, and in particular those chairs. And in a weird secret game of musical chairs, I ended up next to him. He was apparently well-known in those circles, but I was a completely naive participant, which is how I got the last seat in that spot.

Anyway, from my perspective the conference started great. But as it wore on, the guy next to me would mutter occasional inaudible comments to himself. Gradually those comments got longer, and louder, and more frequent. And then he started looking at me and directing them to me.

By the time the presentations were about 3/4 through, he was talking to me ... and telling me he had an invention where IC (internal combustion) engines could run on water. Now that sounded really unlikely to me, but I was interested. Like the claimed cold-fusion later on, it would be revolutionary. So during the break I took time to chat with him, and eventually asked him to give me a rough idea of how it worked. Sadly, that was the death-knell of anything he was willing to say, because, as he claimed, the government and oil industry were after him and would kill him if he revealed the secret. Or something. It was kind for hard to figure out what that point was. It seemed to me he was safest spreading the word far and wide with his name attached to it as well as the names of his 'enemies'.

But I got interested in the mental phenomenon - white male of above average intelligence gets delusionally paranoid around middle age. And it turns out it's very common.

Of all the paranoid types, there are 2 that are the most prevalent.

There's the paranoid schizophrenic, with hallucinations and disorganized thinking and all the accoutrements of schizophrenia, with paranoid delusions. And like other schizophrenics, the paranoid schizophrenic's unmistakably schizophrenia-associated symptoms start early, generally in their late teens to mid 20's (ie, seeing things, hearing voices, disorganized thinking, delusions of being targeted).

And then there are the people who start out reasonably OK. They're not seeing things or hearing voices. But apparently they start out with a feeling that they are awesomely specially important ... and their paranoia grows from that. They're convinced that not only are their grandiose ideas real, but because they have 'the secret', they're in fact SO important that 'people' are either out to get them, or that they're leading undisclosed groups of followers. In any case, the basis for their pathology is simply the feeling that they're more special and with better ideas than everyone else on the entire planet.

John Nash (A Beautiful Mind), btw, was both a genius and schizophrenic, who spent years dragging his family across Europe in midnight traverses across borders (that they crossed sans visas and passports just because Nash was such a pita), who explained he thought he was god's left baby-toe "walking across the face of the earth".

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Tuesday, February 23, 2021 9:11 PM

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SIGNYM:WHY should our President be "feared by all autocrats?

JO: Worth ansering, even tho it shoud be obvious.

Bad gize want to be able to do anything they want. Having a hier power abuv them iz hard to tolerate. Bad gize hoo hav rizen to the near ultimate pozition uv autocrat are naturally the worst, most ruthless and evil.

Its thanks to America and the international alliansez it created that theze toxic turdz hav sum fear uv retribution if they start trying to take over nayboring countriez or commit larj scale atrosityz on their own sitizenz.

Well, to be completely hard-nosed about this: SO WHAT?

What makes you think that we have the responsibility, moral authority, or even the military strength to go around trying to "fix" the world and make it conform to our expectations? I can actually understand trying to grab someone's oil, or tin, or whatever, and I can DEFINITELY see defending our borders, but it seems to me that we do THE MOST HARM (Nicaragua, Brazil, Cuba, El Salvador, Lebanon etc or, more recently Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Libya and Syria) when we've deluded ourselves into believing that were on some sort of humanitarian bombing mission.

And think about Rwanda, or Eritrea, or Mali, or Yemen, or South Africa or any number of blighted nations suffering under corrupt leadership and economic distress .... what are you going to do about THOSE? Why do you think we should, or even can, solve their problems when we haven't even fixed Baltimore or Detroit or Camden?

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Sum fear. Not alot. Thanks to endless examplz uv inaction by us and our alliez after atrositiez came to lite, the limits to wut they can get away with are very hi.

I think the BEST way to improve the world... if you believe that you have a mission from on high to do so... is first of all, not commit atrocities that are as bad or worse than the ones you're supposedly trying to fix. Then you need to find out why these atrocities occurred and solve the problem. You seem to think that is all because of one "bad guy", but quite often you'll find a lot of threads tangled together ... also often involving the support of western elites... when you try to unknot the problems.

IMHO if you cna figure out WHY we haven't yet fixed Baltimore, Detroit, or Camden or any of the other three hundred cities that are dysfunctional across the USA, then you'll prolly have the answer to what's gone wrong elsewhere. And our military is unlikely to fix any of that, either here or there.

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Are you assuming that it is on OUR INTEREST ... that it benefits YOU AND ME in some real way ... for that USA to be "world cop" and to threaten or destroy every "autocratic" rule across the world?

JO: Yes. Agen, it shoud be obvious.

Well, not to me.

Name three nations since 1960 that turned out more prosperous, freer, more developed, after we "intervened", and explain how that "helped us".

I can't even think of one.

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Wednesday, February 24, 2021 1:36 PM

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Oh, I take it back ... I can think of one. Out of the couple of dozen (or more) "interventions" that the USA undertook since 1960, including "boots on the ground" military "interventions", bombing campaigns, CIA/State Department destabilization campaigns/color revolutions, junta installations, "secret drone strike wars", arming jihadists, and sanctions, I can think of ONE nation that came out better. Let's see if you can think of it, while I go and get a better count and list of ALL of our "intervnetions" since 1960.I had actually counted them up and posted a brief description of each, but that was since 1900, and IIRC there were almost 100.

when I undertook that project, I learned a lot. It made me, and thereaders, heartsick to know how much harm we had done, and some people begged me to stop posting, but I was dermined to finish the list.

That post was lost in fff.net disk crash, but maybe I should do it again.

Yanno, mix some reality into people's ideals.

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Thursday, February 25, 2021 2:13 AM

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WISHY: 6ix REALLY believes it's ok to wish pandemic deaths on the world but that HE is special and should be exempt from it

Well, I see I miised THIS little gem from our local sociopath/narcissist!

1) In this thread, in any case, killing people off via a pandemic seems to be JO's hooby-horse, and
2) This, from the person who wouldn't mind genociding the entire world "down to the last hundred" to meet it's vision of a "better world".

At least a viral pandemic is somewhat passive. WISHY, OTOH, would actively kill billions of people!

Sheesh. And it still has no idea how illogical that is.

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Thursday, February 25, 2021 6:31 AM

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WISHY: 6ix REALLY believes it's ok to wish pandemic deaths on the world but that HE is special and should be exempt from it

Well, I see I miised THIS little gem from our local sociopath/narcissist!

1) In this thread, in any case, killing people off via a pandemic seems to be JO's hooby-horse, and
2) This, from the person who wouldn't mind genociding the entire world "down to the last hundred" to meet it's vision of a "better world".

At least a viral pandemic is somewhat passive. WISHY, OTOH, would actively kill billions of people!

Sheesh. And it still has no idea how illogical that is.

That's actually the Nilbot's new signature. It is obsessed with me.

I think I made myself pretty clear about the pragmatic nature behind my idea that the only way for the human race to continue to exist for any meaningful amount of time is through population control.

I think I was also clear that this could be done over the next generation or two through several means that don't require anybody already alive to actually die for that cause. Not only that, but properly incentivized it could be done willingly.

I made no mention of anything based off of race. And I certainly didn't ever say that these people or those people should die while I am spared from that fate.

The Nilbot is completely delusional. It needs to make up it's own reality as it goes otherwise reality would constantly come into conflict with its hypocritical programming.

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Thursday, February 25, 2021 11:31 PM

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At least a viral pandemic is somewhat passive.

Then I hope wishing all your fascist friends a nice "passive" Covid death makes things easier for you

Not gonna address his hypocrisy at all, eh??
Still trying to suck up to the dumbest bottom feeder on the internets??

BTW 6ix, I hope your death is a pragmatic one for the planet and the internet.
As long as it's "pragmatic".

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Thursday, February 25, 2021 11:51 PM

I wish you a long and happy life.

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JO: Then I hope wishing all your fascist friends a nice "passive" Covid death makes things easier for you
Not gonna address his hypocrisy at all, eh??
Still trying to suck up to the dumbest bottom feeder on the internets??

Are you posting about JO753??

Because, if you haven't notice, THIS THREAD is titled

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"Maybe this is wut we need"

and it's about .... guess what???

PANDEMIC BENEFITS.

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With the ecosystem collapsing under the wate uv our makanikly augmented oil powered assez, the human rase wuz heded for a harsh painful lesson.

It wuz really just a matter uv time befor we got a pandemic going, so maybe this iz it. Like the flu, only with a much hire fatality rate.

So wut if it bekumz another annual dezeez? Or if it just persists yir-round?

If it bumps off 15 million peepl per yir, it mite be enuf to make a real differens.

Well, I'm SURE it would have made a real differnce to those 15 million people and their families.

TWITCHY, you know that I've disagreed with SIX ever since he started posting about the virus. He's got a god-awful grotch against "boomers" because he has mommy issues, just like you have a god-awful grotch against your imaginary hordes of "wrong-thinkers". So insted of treating people as you find them, you treat them as you imagine them to be, by category. That's all kinds of "isms" that you operate on, and you're still not even aware of them!

Maybe some day you'll see your own double-think, but today is not that day.

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Friday, February 26, 2021 11:54 AM

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JO, please scroll up to find my detailed response to your latest post.

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Friday, February 26, 2021 2:36 PM

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and it's about .... guess what???

PANDEMIC BENEFITS.

you have a god-awful grotch against "wrong-thinkers".

I agree his death would be a distinct benefit of a pandemic. I don't know why HE doesn't think so.

Jo is looking for a theoretical benefit for the planet, 6ix is looking for a benefit FOR HIM. That's the difference here. More jobs for white guys, more room for white guys....So maybe he should answer to whether the 250 kids who are dead from Covid are such a great thing?? Lets have more dead Covid kids, right 6ix??

I treat people as the the malignancy that they represent, and fascists are right there with child molesters. Every one removed from this planet is a potential war that wont have to be fought, an ecosystem that won't be wrecked, and innocent bystanders not living in misery.

I have yet to see you acknowledge that FACT. FACT. FACT.
Fascism ALWAYS GOES WRONG AND ALWAYS WILL!

You claim to hate wars, but also think fascists are the fix for that when it would cause 100% the opposite.
It's the most ridiculous example of cognitive disconnect I've ever seen.
It's even worse than 6ix thinking he's got a handle on living by gaming the government for unemployment. He's just a lazy stupid asshole, but YOU...

You are a narcissist of epic proportions. The harm you would cause in the name "helping" would leave this planet in tattered ruins for a millennia.
Your vision of "what could be" is NOT EVER tempered by what IS. You have ZERO understanding of how humans and groups of humans WORK

It's like trying to fly a plane without knowing what any of the rules or buttons are and trying to bring the whole planet with you.

You would have everyone crash and burn for your beliefs. YOU ARE A MONSTER.

EVERY FUCKING FASCIST, EVERY FUCKING TIME

SAVING THE PLANET FROM STUPID

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Friday, February 26, 2021 3:24 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

You seem to think you're on a holy mission imbued with god's all-knowing mind about 'who'.

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Friday, February 26, 2021 3:41 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
and it's about .... guess what???
PANDEMIC BENEFITS.
You have a god-awful grotch against "wrong-thinkers".

TWITCHY: I agree his death would be a distinct benefit of a pandemic. I don't know why HE doesn't think so.

Jo is looking for a theoretical benefit for the planet,

Anyone who cheers on killing people ... or people dying ... for ANY cause is an ideologue who is willing to sacrifice people for an idea. That kind of thinking is how we get pogroms and genocide.

But since you're onboard with that, why do you have a problem with SIX?

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6ix is looking for a benefit FOR HIM. That's the difference here. More jobs for white guys, more room for white guys....

What I get out of his posts is "less drag from old people". You're misrepresenting SIX based on your obsession with race and sex. Just another example of your complete lack of understanding "what people think".

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WISHY So maybe he should answer to whether the 250 kids who are dead from Covid are such a great thing?? Lets have more dead Covid kids, right 6ix??

Your outrage is based on your misunderstanding. If you're going to be outraged, at least get it right.

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WISHY I treat people as the the malignancy that they represent

What does this even mean?? How about treating people as they DESERVE, based on what they've done, not on your fervid and wrong-headed imagination?

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... fascists... fascists...

Sweetcheeks, you still don't know what fascists are. Between your complete lack of knowledge of history and your constant misunderstanding of what people think, I can't imagine you correctly figuring out what someone "represents", let alone being in charge of anything important.

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Friday, February 26, 2021 7:25 PM

Oh goodie.

I've got another post to add to the archive.

Thanks Nilbot.

P.S. I'm not going to dox you, but just wanted to verify for possible future legal purposes that your IP address ends with ".33" or ".43".

I could walk you through the steps to verify this for yourself if you need them.

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 8:12 PM

Didja check yet, Nilbot?

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Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:Well, to be completely hard-nosed about this: SO WHAT?

Thats a dim view uv the world. Exactly the view I'd expect from an autocrat.

Pik the future you want for the world - the human rase a bunch uv violent tribez destined to sap the planets resoursez to conduct their petty squablz, pulverizing the envirement till its ded?

Or we take the ability to do damaj away frum the bad boyz.

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What makes you think that we have the responsibility, moral authority, or even the military strength to go around trying to "fix" the world and make it conform to our expectations?

If not us, hoo?

Shoud Denmark form an international hit squad and start bumping off bad boyz?

I say maybe, but they'd be at much greater risk uv retaliation than any uv the nationz with significant militaryz.

Pik any nation and you can say the same thing to sum degree.

Eksept the US. We are the top dog.

And if we spend 750 billion a yir on our military yet fail to ever stop the bad gize from doing evil, the $$$ are wasted. The top dog hoo ignorez everthing beyond hiz own gain haz no rite to be the top dog. In fact, he stops being the top dog and bekumz a paper tiger.

I'm not a war hawk. Diplomasy, shaming, sanctionz and isolation can do wonderz. But they dont alwayz work.

Iraq wuz a stoopid mistake for the US at the time, but the world iz a better plase without Sadam and hiz gang. And it woud be even better if we depozed more toxic assholez without waiting for extreem provocationz. We shoud hav made an example uv Assad within a week uv hiz 1st bomming.

Make it clear and unambiguous that if Uncle Sam iz frowning at you, you are in danjer.

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I think the BEST way to improve the world... if you believe that you have a mission from on high to do so... is first of all, not commit atrocities that are as bad or worse than the ones you're supposedly trying to fix.

I agree.

America haz earned a big share uv the blame for the inequality and turmoil around the world. Unrestrained capitalizm. Greed. Stoopid polisyz. Most uv it trasing to Republicanz.

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Name three nations since 1960 that turned out more prosperous, freer, more developed, after we "intervened", and explain how that "helped us".

Good Q. I havent studied much history, so cant ansr. (aside from Iraq, but thats debatable)

But youre implyng that intervening cant work. Do you think America shoud hav stayed out uv WW2?

Its a good idea to supress autocrats. That shoud be obvious, even to you. It helps us and the rest uv the world to not be forsed to deal with a bunch uv Hitlerz popping up like mushroomz thriving on decay.

Its an even better idea to eliminate them.

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Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:43 AM

JO says he isn't a warhawk, but then explains why he is a warhawk.

lol

Fuck Democrats. They've completely lost the plot.

P.S. Hey JO. Try not to bury this thread with too much stuff. I want to make sure that the Nilbot got my last message.

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Sunday, February 28, 2021 11:17 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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SIGNY: Well, to be completely hard-nosed about this: SO WHAT?

JO:Thats a dim view uv the world. Exactly the view I'd expect from an autocrat.

No, JO. An autocrat is the one who decides to make war on anyone else and kill a bunch of people bc they don't live or behave the way the autocrat wants. Like WISHY would do: genocide her way to freedom. (NOTE: for her, freedom is only for people that she THINKS share her worldview. everyone else gets the business-end of a gun.)

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JO: Pik the future you want for the world - the human rase a bunch uv violent tribez destined to sap the planets resoursez to conduct their petty squablz, pulverizing the envirement till its ded?

I think we both want the same thing, we just disagree on how to get there.

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JO: Or we take the ability to do damaj away frum the bad boyz.

You seem to think that evil in the world stems from evil individuals, like if Hitler were assassinated WWII would have ended. But if that were the case - if a single individual caused all of that mayhem - then why did it take the combined armies of the USSR, Britain, and the USA to defeat one man? People gain power because a lot of people are willing to follow them. If Germany had not been in extremis (at the point of death) Hitler would have been a nutcase ranting on a soap box to nobody.

Larger forces were at work.

Also, you seem to think that WE'RE NOT ONE OF THE BAD BOYS. But I assure you: over the past 60 years or so, we've killed at least as many people as Stalin, Mao, or Hitler in our "wars of choice". Does that make us a "good guy"?

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SIGNY: What makes you think that we have the responsibility, moral authority, or even the military strength to go around trying to "fix" the world and make it conform to our expectations?

JO: If not us, hoo?

Maybe.... nobody. Or everbody. More about that in a bit.

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JO: Shoud Denmark form an international hit squad and start bumping off bad boyz?

Assassination?

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JO:I say maybe, but they'd be at much greater risk uv retaliation than any uv the nationz with significant militaryz.

If they're good at their job, nobody will know it was them.

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JO: Pik any nation and you can say the same thing to sum degree.
Eksept the US. We are the top dog.

Again, simplistic view of evil in the world.

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JO: And if we spend 750 billion a yir on our military yet fail to ever stop the bad gize from doing evil, the $$$ are wasted. The top dog hoo ignorez everthing beyond hiz own gain haz no rite to be the top dog. In fact, he stops being the top dog and bekumz a paper tiger.

I'm not a war hawk. Diplomasy, shaming, sanctionz and isolation can do wonderz. But they dont alwayz work.

Iraq wuz a stoopid mistake for the US at the time, but the world iz a better plase without Sadam and hiz gang. And it woud be even better if we depozed more toxic assholez without waiting for extreem provocationz. We shoud hav made an example uv Assad within a week uv hiz 1st bomming.

ASSAD didn't "bomb" anyone, you nitwit! Nor did he "gas his own people"! Just like Qaddafi did not "Massacre his own people". Yanukovich did NOT "order sipers to fire on the Maidan"! Saddam did NOT "have weapons of mass destruction" ... and the ones that had used to have ... were courtesy of, and used against Iran WITH THE AID OF THE USA. Russia DID NOT attack Georgia!

Must of what you think happened is a fairy tale!

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JO: Make it clear and unambiguous that if Uncle Sam iz frowning at you, you are in danjer.

Ignorant, arrogant, righteous.

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SIGNY: I think the BEST way to improve the world... if you believe that you have a mission from on high to do so... is first of all, not commit atrocities that are as bad or worse than the ones you're supposedly trying to fix.

JO: I agree.
America haz earned a big share uv the blame for the inequality and turmoil around the world. Unrestrained capitalizm. Greed. Stoopid polisyz. Most uv it trasing to Republicanz.

You're right: you DON'T know history, not even recent history.

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SIGNY: Name three nations since 1960 that turned out more prosperous, freer, more developed, after we "intervened", and explain how that "helped us".

JO: Good Q. I havent studied much history, so cant ansr. (aside from Iraq, but thats debatable)
But youre implyng that intervening cant work. Do you think America shoud hav stayed out uv WW2?

America was attacked. Remember Pearl Harbor? That was our entry point to WWII.

I placed my timespan outside of WWII because WWII was an anomaly to all of the OTHER wars that we fought, in that it was a defensive war against a direct attack. More importantly, we followed that war with an all-out effort at nation-building in the nations that we thought were the most-powerful and likely to be the severest threat in a future war: Germany and Japan. OK, so you don't know history so maybe you don't know about the "Marshall Plan" but there was a huge effort to rebuild and re-industrialize Germany and Japan to ensure prosperity so that the conditions that created the first world war (unsustainable war reparations imposed on Germany, complete blockade of Japan) would not go on the create WWIII. If we had done those things BEFORE WWII, WWII would prolly have been averted.

BTW, it was our reindustrialization of Germany that led to the collapse of the steel industry in the USA. My dad was a sales tax collector in WNYS, and he got to see the books of the largest steel producer in Buffalo, Bethlehem Steel. And altho I was young, I recall him saying that he got a chance to look at the cost per ton of steel, and apparently Bethlehem steel had comparative costs for their plant versus a newer post WWII German plant (I recall my dad saying "I don't know how they got those figures, but they had them"). Because the German plant had continuous casting, their cost per ton was much lower. Dad predicted, rightly, that Bethlehem steel would fold, which it did. Republic Steel and US Steel (a very small plant) hung on a longer, but eventually they folded too. There went 30,000+ jobs.

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JO: Its a good idea to supress autocrats. That shoud be obvious, even to you. It helps us and the rest uv the world to not be forsed to deal with a bunch uv Hitlerz popping up like mushroomz thriving on decay.

Its an even better idea to eliminate them.

It's an even better idea not to BE ONE in the first place, or SET THEM UP, which we and the EU have been doing for decades.

Since you DON'T know history, I'm going to start that thread with ALL of our "interventions", and you'll see that we not only did we SET UP dictatorships (and we still are setting them up BTW) we often KNOCKED DOWN democratically-elected governments with (in reality) relatively modest reform goals (land reform, education etc) whic would have redistributed wealth to the poorer sectors.

So, "WHO KEEPS ORDER IN THE WORLD"?

You think the world is like a city, where order is kept by cops.
I assure you that POLICE ALONE can't keep order. If everyone decided to become criminally-minded, the police would never be able to keep up. They can't keep up with only 5% of the population behaving criminally. Force alone can never create peace.

A large part of the problem is that the major powers, especially the USA and the EU, have an interest in creating and enforcing tyranny and poverty, because that's the only way to ensure maximum profits. MOST of our military and spook agency efforts have been geared towards propping up dictators and deposing reformers across the globe, because it makes our industries and banks rich, rich, rich.

Once you've learned some history, come back to me with your opinions.

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Sunday, February 28, 2021 11:33 AM

JO still lives in a world where the villians wear all black and the good guys wear all white.

I recommend he watch Demon Knight to cure what ails him.

Did you check your IP address yet, Nilbot?

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Monday, March 1, 2021 4:03 PM

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herez a spesific exampl from today:

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Monday, March 1, 2021 4:22 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

An example of what? Jen Psaki reading from notes?

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Monday, March 1, 2021 4:37 PM

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I recommend he watch Demon Knight to cure what ails him.

That looks pretty good! I'll look for it at the library next time i go!

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Monday, March 1, 2021 7:49 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I recommend he watch Demon Knight to cure what ails him.

That looks pretty good! I'll look for it at the library next time i go!

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Yup. That's the GOOD Tales From the Crypt movie.

Me and my buddies saw it about 5 times at the dollar theater back in high school.

Nothing earth shattering, but definitely worth a watch.

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Saturday, September 18, 2021 1:49 AM

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Updated the invest paje:

http://uvpk.net/INVeST.htm

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Saturday, September 18, 2021 3:02 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Sorry JO, but if you can't get people to wear a simple mask or take a simple vaccinations, its unlikely that people will wamt to wear the gear that you've developed.

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Saturday, September 18, 2021 6:24 AM

THG

JO you are the epitome of what it is to be a Browncoat. A person or thing that is a perfect example of a particular quality or type. Way to go buddy. By the way. I'm currently watching your video and listening to Pink Floyd with you. Too cool...

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