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Rescue Mission Has Ended at Condo Collapse Site

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Thursday, July 8, 2021 9:25 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Rescue Mission Has Ended at Condo Collapse Site

Crews in Surfside, Fla., turned their efforts toward recovery. At least 54 people were killed in the collapse. Here’s the latest.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/08/us/miami-condo-collapse-victim
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Tears, prayer mark end to search for Florida condo survivors
By TERRY SPENCER and ADRIANA GOMEZ LICONan hour ago
SURFSIDE, Fla. (AP) — A somber moment of silence marked the end of the two-week search for survivors of a Florida condominium collapse, as rescue workers stood at solemn attention and clergy members hugged a line of local officials while many of them sobbed.
https://apnews.com/article/miami-surfside-building-collapse-e1873e009c
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It seems a bit late to finally say the rescue effort is over. But it now officially is.

I read an interesting article about the foibles of steel-reinforced concrete: to wit, concrete is porous and transmits moisture, and rebar rusts, and when it rusts, it expands. So, in general, steel-reinforced concrete has a shelf-life beyond which it needs to be torn down and rebuilt.




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Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:44 AM

JONGSSTRAW


My grandparents used to live at Mayfair Towers, just 3 blocks away from the collapsed building. Fa-reeeeeeky! Scary stuff now for 10's of thousands of condo owners on Collins Ave. whose million dollar condos are currently unsellable and worthless.

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Thursday, July 8, 2021 12:06 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Trump's daughter lives in a nearly identical looking condo just a few buildings away.

These weren't section 8 housing units.

Imagine the problems lingering in all of those around the country.


Hell... I noticed in the assisted living place my brother lives in that there was a huge crack at one point in the staircase leading up to his floor that was filled in with a gallon of jizz.

The stairs sure seem solid when you're walking up or down them, but I bet anybody in Mayfair would have said the same thing too.


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Thursday, July 8, 2021 1:26 PM

BRENDA


They crews have found one of the four missing Canadians from the site.

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Thursday, July 8, 2021 1:59 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I read an interesting article about the foibles of steel-reinforced concrete: to wit, concrete is porous and transmits moisture, and rebar rusts, and when it rusts, it expands. So, in general, steel-reinforced concrete has a shelf-life beyond which it needs to be torn down and rebuilt.

Spoiler Alert! Hot dipped galvanized reinforcing steel won't rust.




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, July 8, 2021 2:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Of course rebar and cable deterioration depend on conditions, so a structure near the ocean in Florida (hot, wet, lots of environmental salt) will age differently than a structure in Las Vegas. But all modern concrete/ rebar/ cable structures eventually age.


The problem with rebar-reinforced concrete or cable-in-concrete is that you can slow down the corrosion - like with zinc coatings (which are sacrificial and eventually are eaten away and stop protecting the rebar), but you can't stop it.

I saw an interesting show about failure of a bridge suspended by steel cables in concrete.
https://www.enr.com/articles/45001-death-toll-approaches-40-in-collaps
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Death Toll Approaches 40 in Collapse of Cable-Stayed Bridge in Italy



The show went on to detail an exquisite set of sensors and test-points in a London Bridge to monitor cable and deck-rebar deterioration.


Modern technology has not come up with answers except high-tech, expensive, and diligent monitoring. And all that does is hopefully prevent unexpected failure - so that at least you might see it coming.

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Thursday, July 8, 2021 3:17 PM

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If you go to Google Maps and type in 8777 Collins Ave Surfside Florida you can see what the place looked like from street level.

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Thursday, July 8, 2021 5:04 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Death Toll Approaches 40 in Collapse of Cable-Stayed Bridge in Italy

Modern technology has not come up with answers except high-tech, expensive, and diligent monitoring. And all that does is hopefully prevent unexpected failure - so that at least you might see it coming.

According to the Corriere della Sera, this was the 11th bridge collapse in Italy since 2013. At the time of the collapse, the bridge was managed by Atlantia S.p.A. (formerly Autostrade S.p.A.), a holding company operating toll motorways, which would never willingly pay to replace that bridge. Instead, the bridge was constantly being repaired, including the day it collapsed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponte_Morandi

Two years and 202 million euros later, the bridge has a replacement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoa-Saint_George_Bridge

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, July 8, 2021 10:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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As of the collapse of the bridge, only pillar 11 had been internally inspected in the 1990s, showing severed and oxidized strands. About 30% of the tendons had corroded away.
On pillar 9 (the site of the collapse) they could identify only four global modes (of vibration), and the deformations of two of these identified modes were not fully compliant. Modal frequencies were more than 10% different, specifically on the southern stays. As little as a 2% shift could represent severe damage.
It has been reported that the southern stays (the bridge suspensions that run diagonally from the towers to the road bed) gave way explosively due to corrosion and damage.
In July 2019, a video showing the fall of the bridge was made public. It originated from the nearby Ferrometal company cameras, showing that both southern stays and locally attached road sections at pillar no. 9 started dropping virtually simultaneously. From the movement of the top cross-beam, it appears the tension cables of the south-eastern stay gave way.




The problem is that there is no effective way to repair the stays, beyond external supports and patches.

Partly as a result of the corrosion lessons learned in Italy, interestingly, in London they have sound sensors that continuously 'listen' to and analyze the bridge vibrations. If the vibration frequencies shift down, it might mean that there's a loss of stiffness in an element (something broke and the structure's becoming more wobbly like jello instead of ringing like crystal); if frequencies are reduced it might mean a loss of transmission (there's a physical crack between the vibration source and the sensor); or other changes in the sounds could mean other structural damage.

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Friday, July 9, 2021 9:05 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
The problem is that there is no effective way to repair the stays, beyond external supports and patches.



It's not even safe to try to repair them most of the time.



Yup. I'm sure the way we've been doing it sounded great at the time.

But in 2021 how many tens of millions of various structures are built like this and just waiting to collapse?

What are the chances you're going to be driving over one of those bridges that were "repaired" one too many times and it decides that it's time to go?


Or maybe you're walking on one of these...





I'm hoping that half the population didn't just do something similar to themselves by getting an untested vaccine.

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Tuesday, July 13, 2021 10:14 AM

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Fragile steel bars/Tofu-dreg project in China/Shaky building/Collapsing buildings/Poor quality


This is the steel bar used in the construction of a building in China. Its fragility is disturbing. In China, it’s everyone's dream to own their own home. China's real estate industry is arguably the largest in the world. The majority of Chinese people's savings are invested in their homes. But the quality of China's housing construction has always been a concern for buyers and residents alike. The Chinese refer to buildings that are of poor quality or even have serious safety problems as tofu-dreg projects.
These are just some of the tofu-dreg projects in China so far this year. The term "tofu-dreg" was first coined by former Chinese Premier Zhu Rongji. After he inspected the collapse of flood-walls in a southern city in 1998, the Premier angrily criticized it as a "tofu-dreg project" when asked about the cause of the failure. Since then, the term "tofu-dreg construction" has appeared frequently in all major Chinese media and has gradually become well known.

More than two decades later, the collapse of "tofu-dreg" projects in China has not disappeared or decreased. Instead, it has become more frequent. It keeps repeating itself and eventually becomes a characteristic of China that is known by the world.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, July 13, 2021 1:13 PM

BRENDA


A second Canadian has been found in the rubble a day ago.

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Wednesday, July 21, 2021 9:43 AM

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Surfside Collapse Simulation was made based on the presently available data, eyewitness, and video accounts.

The authors are independent researchers and impartial hoping to constructively contribute to the fact-finding. This study demonstrates the collapse mechanism assuming the following plausible hypothesis:

According to the data, the basement deck showed signs of extended soaking for many years. The problem was locally insufficiently patched and not rectified in its entirety. The wetting caused the deck ceiling to be weakened to such an extent that basement pillars punched through the deck where additional load had peaked at the planter area.

The Bullet-Constraints-Builder simulation software is open-source, it was developed within the EU FP7 funded INACHUS framework.

The "BCB" structural simulation software has been developed at the Laurea University of Applied Sciences, Finland. Written within the scope of EU Inachus FP7 Project (607522): Technological and Methodological Solutions for Integrated Wide Area Situation Awareness and Survivor Localisation to Support Search and Rescue (USaR) Teams.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, July 21, 2021 8:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


If ever there was a job you don't want Uncle Bob or some under-the-table Illegal Alien doing, it's this one.

You don't want an apprentice doing that patchwork either. You want the guy who's going to retire in a year.

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

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Thursday, July 22, 2021 9:56 PM

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Mike Bell

The video simulates the sequence of collapse of the Champlain Towers South with a possible explanation for the failure illustrated.

On 24 Jun 2021 the Champlain South Tower collapsed at 1:15am. This is a 12 story condominium building in Miami Florida in the suburb of Surfside. It was built in 1981.

The 3D animation is made from Architectural and Structural drawings made available by the town of Surfside. The events and sequences are based on key photographic evidence and eyewitness accounts.

I have a career in designing and constructing buildings including experience in the USA. I caution that its still too early to know why it collapsed. This video is only a suggestion of the root cause of the failure.

Music by Borrtex

TIMELINE
12:30 am Ground floor resident Sara Nir started hearing 'knocking sounds'. She thought neighbors must be doing 'major construction.'
1:14am She then heard a loud noise like a wall falling down.
1:15 am She saw that part of the pool deck right outside her window had collapsed into the underground parking garage below. She and her two children fled the building.
1:15 am Another witness saw cars next to the pool deck had collapsed with the deck (still to be verified)
1:18 am Adriana Sarmiento filmed a video on TikTok from the hotel across the road looking into the gated garage. This showed concrete rubble on the garage floor in close vicinity to directly below Sara Nir’s apartment and water gushing from a broken sprinkler pipe.
1.24 or 1.25 am The building collapses.



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Friday, July 23, 2021 2:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




Firefighters officially end search in Florida condo collapse

https://apnews.com/article/technology-florida-surfside-building-collap
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(edited)

MIAMI (AP) — Firefighters officially ended their search for bodies in the debris of the collapsed Surfside condo building on Friday, even as police and forensic specialists continue working to identify human remains.

The June 24 collapse killed at least 97 people and at least one more person believed missing in the disaster has yet to be identified.

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Tuesday, July 27, 2021 5:01 PM

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