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Are Americans a Broken People?

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Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:16 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
chewing over that one about adulthood consisting of fighting over and over the same battles that you lost as a child. Hmm. Ouch. Rings waaaay too true. And I can see it in almost every one of us..

Indeed, although I guess one can say I had the advantage of perhaps picking the right ones...

Cause they are more relevant now than they ever were.

-F

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Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:17 PM

JAMERON4EVA


Glad to see River love didn't run you off the site Signy.

But no, i don't think Americans are a broken people. America has survived more stuff than waht we are now, and i'm happy that we've at least got some foresight not to repeat the past. But as far as politicians go, their so shady that i doubt that they'd even answer your question truthfully.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:56 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


That's capitalism for you. It doesn't really matter whether you step over people all the way up your street, as long as you GDP is healthy enough, you're doing okay as a nation.

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Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Sig, that's one that makes us think, isn't it? It tears my heart up to see what childhood abuse has done to some people and how they spend their lives trapped in it. It pisses me off doubly because it's bad enough they were abused, but then to have the rest of their entire lives run by it is just...well, there aren't words.

I've been privvy numerous times to watching people fight past their abuse and regain their ability to be themselves, and it's always left me in awe. But those who never look past what they "think" at the moment, yet what they think is actually something they internalized as a child which was totally false, those are the ones for whom I grieve the most.

I've always loved the line by Keanu Reeve's character in "Parenthood"...something to the effect that you have to get a license to drive or get married or even have a dog, but "any asswipe can have a kid". Obviously licenses aren't the answer, but I wish there were one...I think virtually all children end up carrying stuff and it affects our lives one way or another. It's a sore subject with me, what's done to innocent children!

I'm of the conviction that if you looked closely at all those people we've mentioned, the "dynastic" ones, etc., and most famous people (maybe especially politicians), you'd find that they are the way they are and are driven to do what they do at least in part because of internal messages. Dumbya and daddy, for example...?

And yes, Frem, you found the PERFECT forum for that battle, but you're missing one thing. Fighting the battle the way you do isn't what I think of as what Byte said, it's more the UNCONSCIOUS stuff we carry around that affects our relationships with others, and I've seen none of that with you. I do see your focus on many subjects turning to the treatment of children, but I've seen no indication in what you write that you carry around "stuff" that affects you that other way. Maybe being able to fight the battle physically has allowed you to avoid some of the more subtle "messages" which the rest of us fall victim to...in which case, we should ALL be so lucky! If you carry around the subconscious stuff, I've never seen indication of it.

But yeah, you ARE a whippersnapper ; I've got twenty years on you, which is why I remember those things from personal experience, as well as MLK's death and the one that affected me the most personally: Bobby's assassination. JFK was America's delusion; Camelot and all that, so his assassination affected the whole country, made him a martyr, and many say was the death of our innocence, but for me losing Bobby was harder.

Personally, I've done a lot of work to become as self-aware as I can and get past what mom did to me, and gotten rid of a lot of it (you should have met me twenty years ago!!!). Even tho' I'm aware that my perception that someone is lying about or mischaracterizing me to others is a hangover from mom, somehow that one I haven't managed to overcome, it sneaks up on me still.




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Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:18 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh I have my issues, I am not unaware of them - my first reaction to anything that even LOOKS like some attempt to impose unwanted "authority" or manipulation on me draws a reflexive backlash, and I do have to fight through a lot of mental static when dealing with multiple issues coming at different angles - as I recall Signym called me up short on that, accurately and with cause, during that huge FLDS brouha.

But the thing is, years of discipline and KNOWING how the powers in this world bait and play off knee jerk reactions gives me an edge to that, as I developed the counter-reflex to choke down the knee-jerk and examine it, at which point I see the blatant manipulation and start taking it to pieces in retaliation - which means whenever one of those subconscious "issues" rears it's head up it gets choked down by the same counter-reflex, which is a damned good thing cause my preferred and instinctive reaction to those triggers is appallingly violent...
And I have indeed been known to let the leash slip on purpose when in direct confrontation with folk involved in abusive treatment of children, not for any particular notion of justice or retribution, but that my hatred of them runs so deep that I take particular sadistic enjoyment in dishing out pain unto them - and that frightens me a little, to know that a mirror image of the same beast loose in their head is loose in mine, and that they recieve the same satisfaction in abusing their victims, as I do pounding on THEM.
Which of course, drives me into a berserk frenzy if I don't keep a real tight leash on it, and is a large part of the reason I passed the torch to Justin when a lighter touch became the more effective approach.
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I've been privvy numerous times to watching people fight past their abuse and regain their ability to be themselves, and it's always left me in awe.

I've gotten to see it as well, with similar reaction, all the more so because of just how badly broken most of these folk were when I first saw them, I have far more experience than I have ever wanted dealing with malnutrition, catatonia, pyschic shock muteness, and other problems our psych "experts" tend to handle with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer and all too predictable results - "make fixed NOW" is not an option for these kids, no matter how much folks wish it were so, and trying results in iatrogenic reactions where involving clinical personnel will cause it to get WORSE, like poking at a painful wound.


If there's any issue that really clings though, it's not ever really having a childhood, since I was forced by necessity into the role of an adult while still in single digit age, and for well over a decade not given a single bloody ounce of acknowledgement or respect whatever simply because I was short of the "magic number", despite carrying out adult responsibilities, witnessing and coping with the death of my mother, the avarice and exploitation by various relatives, and finally forcing a legal emancipation while technically a wanted fugitive.

And it wasn't till a year AFTER that, that society even considered me anything but someone elses property, a sub-human unperson, just because I was under eighteen.

That ain't NEVER gonna go away, but even that turns to advantage when I understand their plight well enough to relate so effectively.

Was doin some research earlier and came across a quote that fits this discussion so well it must be shared.

“As long as the child will be trained not by love, but by fear, so long will humanity live not by justice, but by force. As long as the child will be ruled by the educator’s threat and by the father’s rod, so long will mankind be dominated by the policeman’s club, by fear of jail, and by panic of invasion by armies and navies.”
Boris Sidis, from “A lecture on the abuse of the fear instinct in early education” in Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 1919.

That's what it all boils down to, really, shocking that at least SOME people knew, even then, even long BEFORE then (I have a couple clips from as far back as 1648 indicating awareness of this problem) and yet it's taken this long to drag it out into the sunlight and examine it.

-F

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Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:43 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Great quote: I would say many things have been "known" much earlier in history; knowing and doing are two different things for humans, however!

Okay, I agree, you have issues. However, being able to SEE them is half the battle--admittedly the other half is much tougher, but you make the effort to recognize AND get past them; those are biggies. And you communicate rationally, which is another biggie.

The beast is within us all...we have a saying among the bipolar: "ALL feelings are valid; it's what you do with them that counts". There I think you come out ahead of many, many people!

And there's another thing to remember. How much we've internalized subconsciously and which runs our lives makes functioning within our social sphere more or less difficult. Within what I see here as your social sphere, you function just fine, thank you. What we do to our out-and-out enemies is one thing; how we deal with those we want to surround ourselves with is kind of the real issue. Am I making any sense? It's hard to put into words.

Like the difference between a guy who is an asshole in the office, abuses his underlings, beats his wife, goes through multiple divorces, etc.; he doesn't function well in society. Someone self-aware makes the effort to respect those around him and doesn't indulge in abuse; ergo, they feel better about themselves and have a higher quality of life. Maybe I'm still not getting it right, but hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say.

What I saw cannot compare to what you observed, of that I have NO doubts! What I saw was wonderful enough, but it was only adults who'd been lead to believe they weren't "worthy" who began to recognize their own worth and stand up for themselves. Like women who'd been in abusive relationships, with kids and no job, who thought they deserved the abuse and there was no way out.

Merely by being in a group of other bipolars, or even on a website, where we could meet them as the person they really ARE, without any history baggage, and respect them and care about them, I watched them get stronger and took much glee in seeing some of them stand up, get divorced, go back to school or get a job, raise their kids, and discover just what they were capable of. AND see their abusers for what they really were. It was like watching miracles, and it took so LITTLE!

"Strange little species, we are", as I often say. We can do so MUCH damage, we can be so awfully miserable, but given half a chance, we're so resilient...it's horrible and wonderful at the same time. I'll bet you feel the same...



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Wednesday, October 27, 2021 6:29 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


I honestly thought Americans would never be broke but now with the big globalist spying banker wrong think political machine ... I'm not so sure


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Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:44 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Rising Prices, Once Seen as Temporary, Threaten Biden's Agenda
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3433846.html

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NYPD makes arrest in connection with 2-day crime spree across Manhattan

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Thursday, October 28, 2021 1:19 PM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Rising Prices, Once Seen as Temporary, Threaten Biden's Agenda
https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/rising-prices-once-seen-temporary-12
3433846.html

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/man-wanted-for-series-of-manhattan-armed-r
obberies
NYPD makes arrest in connection with 2-day crime spree across Manhattan
Are prices rising all over the world? Yes.
https://www.google.com/search?q=are+prices+rising+all+over+the+world%3
F

Do Americans understand why? They think prices rise only in America and only because the President did it. The people who are raising the prices all over the world are very pleased that Americans don't understand who is actually in charge of economies. Hint: it is NOT the governments, except in China and North Korea.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I honestly thought Americans would never be broke but now with the big globalist spying banker wrong think political machine ... I'm not so sure
Americans have been bamboozled by big business and the government via the m$m (and its commercials) for so long they don't know which end is up.

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Thursday, October 28, 2021 4:52 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Having re-read the OP the answer is still "yes"

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


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Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Americans have one irreducible power, and that's the vote. But they need to understand that voting isn't a one-time effort, or a 2-party fight. You need to vote - AND KEEP ON VOTING - for whoever represents your interests. If the democrats aren't doing the job, stop voting for them. If the republicans aren't doing the job, stop voting for them too. Give every new person a term to run them though their paces. After that, if they're not up to the task, vote for someone else.

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Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:27 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Americans have one irreducible power, and that's the vote.
That is not actually a power. This is what power looks like: In the thirty-seven industrialized countries that make up the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), on average, the top decile has about as much wealth as the bottom nine deciles put together. In the United States, the top decile has about four times as much wealth as the bottom nine. Owning four times more is what real power is about. Makes it easy to go for five times more, and six times more.

https://lithub.com/who-are-the-9-9-percent-a-closer-look-at-the-math-o
f-american-inequality/

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Thursday, October 28, 2021 9:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



The countries that have better ratios got there by voting.

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Thursday, October 28, 2021 9:32 PM

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The countries that have better ratios got there by voting.
No. The people of those countries picked a side then stayed on that side decade after decade: either the side that shouted it wanted to make the rich less rich or the side that didn't (which would be everywhere but U.K. and U.S.A.)

I will add that the rich in all countries are very capable of finding spokesmen to confuse voters about which political parties want to make the rich less rich.

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Thursday, October 28, 2021 9:48 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


How many times do I have to school you on Zipf's Law?

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Thursday, October 28, 2021 9:56 PM

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How many times do I have to school you on Zipf's Law?
Zipf's law states that given a large sample of words used, the frequency of any word is inversely proportional to its rank in the frequency table. So word number n has a frequency proportional to 1/n. Thus the most frequent word will occur about twice as often as the second most frequent word, three times as often as the third most frequent word, etc. For example, in one sample of words in the English language, the most frequently occurring word, "the", accounts for nearly 7% of all the words (69,971 out of slightly over 1 million). True to Zipf's Law, the second-place word "of" accounts for slightly over 3.5% of words (36,411 occurrences), followed by "and" (28,852). Only about 135 words are needed to account for half the sample of words in a large sample.

Zipf himself proposed that neither speakers nor hearers using a given language want to work any harder than necessary to reach understanding, and the process that results in approximately equal distribution of effort leads to the observed Zipf distribution.

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Thursday, October 28, 2021 9:59 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


And 10% of the people who worked at any place I ever worked did 90% of the work.

That's a constant you're going to find everywhere.


Unfortunately, we live in a society where we seem to think that "above average" intelligence means "smart".

It doesn't. Average intelligence is fucking dumb. The top 10% of us have to deal with the 90% of the rest of you dumbasses, and it's super annoying.



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Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And 10% of the people who worked at any place I ever worked did 90% of the work.

That's a constant you're going to find everywhere.


Unfortunately, we live in a society where we seem to think that "above average" intelligence means "smart".

It doesn't. Average intelligence is fucking dumb. The top 10% of us have to deal with the 90% of the rest of you dumbasses, and it's super annoying.
That is NOT Zipf's Law, 6ix. You're telling a joke: "Ninety percent of Americans think they are above average."

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Thursday, October 28, 2021 11:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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That is NOT Zipf's Law, 6ix.


Yes it is.

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You're telling a joke: "Ninety percent of Americans think they are above average."


No. I'm saying that 49.99999999999999999999999999999% of all human beings on the planet are above average, and 80% of them are stupid as shit.

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Friday, October 29, 2021 9:12 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
That is NOT Zipf's Law, 6ix.


Yes it is.
The title of this thread is "Are Americans a Broken People?" In other threads, 6ix has claimed he is an American and a proud voter for Trump and Covid-19 has killed nobody. The truth that he actually believes any of those three things cannot be verified, but his claim that he knows Zipf's Law probably can be verified. Doing that might show whether or not if he is one of the "Broken People".

Zipf's Law is here: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipf%27s_law

It is simple to figure out what is the wiki definition of Zipf's Law. Figuring out what 6ix's definition is will be much harder because I believe 6ix's definition is only truly known to 6ix, which might suggest to you that 6ix is one of those "Broken People". To find a vague definition of "Broken People" you'd have to read the first few entries on page 1 of this very thread.

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Friday, October 29, 2021 10:04 AM

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Most Americans think being poor means you're in a shanty with no TV, no phone, only a jar of pickles in the fridge... Because the reality of what poverty looks like might hit too close to home. So many Americans are one paycheck away from disaster. For even more Americans, disaster is only one extended illness away.

Because of Covid-19 restrictions, Australia has been labeled a “police state” by far-right American pundits who live in a country where police murdering people is so common, each month needs its own Wikipedia entry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_off
icers_in_the_United_States

The talking heads, all living in the United States - a country where the incarceration rate is four times higher than Australia’s, and where 1 in every 150 citizens is in jail, the highest rate in the world - have criticised Australia’s approach to managing the COVID-19 pandemic, calling it “tyrannical” without even the slightest hint of irony.

Speaking from a place of assumed knowledge, the critics have stated that they “want to save Australians from its government’s oppressive coronavirus strategies”, suggesting they implement the United States model, which has resulted in a per capita death rate thirty five times higher than Australia’s.

More at https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/10/24/australia-police-state-us/


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Friday, October 29, 2021 10:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Here you go, stupid.



It's a Power Law that applies to many things outside of language.

You wouldn't know that because you went to the University of Wikipedia and MotherJones.



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Friday, October 29, 2021 10:27 AM

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It's a Power Law that applies to many things outside of language.
6ix, what is the connection between Zipf's Law and "Are Americans a Broken People?"

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Friday, October 29, 2021 10:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It's a Power Law that applies to many things outside of language.
6ix, what is the connection between Zipf's Law and "Are Americans a Broken People?"


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Originally posted by second:
That is not actually a power. This is what power looks like: In the thirty-seven industrialized countries that make up the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), on average, the top decile has about as much wealth as the bottom nine deciles put together. In the United States, the top decile has about four times as much wealth as the bottom nine. Owning four times more is what real power is about. Makes it easy to go for five times more, and six times more.


Start the video at 12:40 and watch until 14:33



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Friday, October 29, 2021 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Start the video at 12:40 and watch until 14:33
Done. The question has NOT changed: 6ix, what is the connection between Zipf's Law and "Are Americans a Broken People?" And don't give me this crap that the bearded lunatic in your video claims Zipf's Law says that rich Americans get richer and the poor Americans get poorer. That is NOT Zipf's Law. That's all the Republican Senators (and two Democrats) passing the laws that cause the rich Americans to get richer. At this very second, every Republican Senator (and two Democrats) are opposed to raising taxes on people with more than a $billion. That would be a law that STOPS the rich from growing richer and, instead, pays for the poor to grow richer.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/578703-manchin-raises-concern-over
-billionaire-tax

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Friday, October 29, 2021 10:54 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Start the video at 12:40 and watch until 14:33
Done. The question has NOT changed:


That's your problem. Figure it out.

I'm not paid to teach stupid people how the world works.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's your problem. Figure it out.

I'm not paid to teach stupid people how the world works.
Your video claims (at 14:25) Zipf's Law says that rich Americans get richer and the poor Americans get poorer. That is NOT Zipf's Law. That's all the Republican Senators (and two Democrats) passing the laws that cause the rich Americans to get richer. At this very second, every Republican Senator (and two Democrats) are opposed to raising taxes on people with more than a $billion. That would be a law that STOPS the rich from growing richer and, instead, pays for the poor to grow richer.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/578703-manchin-raises-concern-over
-billionaire-tax

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Friday, October 29, 2021 11:15 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's your problem. Figure it out.

I'm not paid to teach stupid people how the world works.
Your video claims (at 14:25) Zipf's Law says that rich Americans get richer and the poor Americans get poorer. That is NOT Zipf's Law.


Yes. It is.

Quote:
That's all the Republican Senators (and two Democrats) passing the laws that cause the rich Americans to get richer. At this very second, every Republican Senator (and two Democrats) are opposed to raising taxes on people with more than a $billion. That would be a law that STOPS the rich from growing richer and, instead, pays for the poor to grow richer.


That's your biased interpretation of what's going on right now. But if you haven't noticed the major multi-national corporations have gone all in backing Democrats in the last decade. You ignore that because you're a hypocrite.

In any case, preferential attachments, in whatever flavor they come in, end up with the consolidation of power and resources in the hands of the few. This has happened in every single society in history, and will continue as long as humans are at the top of the food chain.

America is not unique in that respect at all.




So in answer to the OP thread title. Americans are not a broken people. At least not any more broken than any other people that ever have or ever will be.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's your biased interpretation of what's going on right now. But if you haven't noticed the major multi-national corporations have gone all in backing Democrats in the last decade. You ignore that because you're a hypocrite.
Zipf's law says that the people with all the money should be paying all the taxes, but that's not how the sum of federal, state, local, sales, property and payroll tax burden is distributed in America. 6ix cannot see that because 6ix doesn't pay taxes, and neither does Trump, but 6ix's reason for not paying is not the same as Trump's reason. That makes neither of them hypocrites, but rather liars or cheaters or impoverished fools. In other words: Broken People.

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Friday, October 29, 2021 1:59 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, I should add that somewhere between 35-55 pct of Americans see what a scam the Dems are. And somewhere between 35-55 pct of Americans see what a scam the GOP is.

We will become restored when we can see what scams BOTH parties are.

Think about TPTB in DC, CIA/DOJ/FBI/Pentagon/FDA/CDC etc. I've tried to imagine if there are ANY uncorrupted people in the top three echelons of power, no matter what part ... and I can prolly count them on the fingers of two hands.

Used to be I could point to Marcy Kaptur, Dennis Kucinich, and Feingold on the Dem side, and Ron Paul on the GOP side. Now only Ron Paul and (maybe) Tulsi Gabbard.

Governorships not much better.

Any nominations to the "less corrupted" list?

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Well, I should add that somewhere between 35-55 pct of Americans see what a scam the Dems are. And somewhere between 35-55 pct of Americans see what a scam the GOP is.

We will become restored when we can see what scams BOTH parties are.

Think about TPTB in DC, CIA/DOJ/FBI/Pentagon/FDA/CDC etc. I've tried to imagine if there are ANY uncorrupted people in the top three echelons of power, no matter what part ... and I can prolly count them on the fingers of two hands.

Used to be I could point to Marcy Kaptur, Dennis Kucinich, and Feingold on the Dem side, and Ron Paul on the GOP side. Now only Ron Paul and (maybe) Tulsi Gabbard.

Governorships not much better.

Any nominations to the "less corrupted" list?
You're trolling, Signym. Ron Paul is not in Congress and is not a Republican, having returned to being a raging mad/foaming-at-the-mouth Libertarian since he left the House of Representatives. Still trust him?

https://twitter.com/RonPaul
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/
https://ballotpedia.org/Ron_Paul

The "Ron Paul Institute" for kooks and nutjobs is across the street from 3rd Coast Flooring: https://www.google.com/maps/place/833+W+Plantation+Dr,+Clute,+TX+77531/

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Friday, October 29, 2021 3:28 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Sorry, I meant RAND Paul.

Noticed that u haven't nominated any Dems...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Sorry, I meant RAND Paul.

Noticed that u haven't nominated any Dems...
Rand Paul is a nutjob about Covid-19: masks, vaccines, China, etc. (Do you still trust him?)



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Friday, October 29, 2021 6:50 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's your biased interpretation of what's going on right now. But if you haven't noticed the major multi-national corporations have gone all in backing Democrats in the last decade. You ignore that because you're a hypocrite.
Zipf's law says that the people with all the money should be paying all the taxes, but that's not how the sum of federal, state, local, sales, property and payroll tax burden is distributed in America. 6ix cannot see that because 6ix doesn't pay taxes, and neither does Trump, but 6ix's reason for not paying is not the same as Trump's reason. That makes neither of them hypocrites, but rather liars or cheaters or impoverished fools. In other words: Broken People.


Coming from the guy who's alternate handle here got one of the only few bans ever given out on fireflyfans.net.

You're the only guy here who can give Wishy a run for most insane person on the website.

Keep your opinions about others to yourself if you're never going to take a look in the mirror buddy. Nobody cares.



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Friday, October 29, 2021 7:19 PM

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Oh... P.S.

I DO pay taxes. I've never once said that I don't pay taxes.

I just don't now, nor do I ever intend to ever make enough money in a year to pay FEDERAL taxes again in my life.

I don't approve of how they spend it, so they're not going to get any from me again.


I don't know what Trump does with his money. Nor do I care.

His accountants and the IRS do. If you've got a problem with how the rich are taxed, take it up with the politicians.

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Friday, October 29, 2021 7:37 PM

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Coming from the guy who's alternate handle here got one of the only few bans ever given out on fireflyfans.net.

You're the only guy here who can give Wishy a run for most insane person on the website.

Keep your opinions about others to yourself if you're never going to take a look in the mirror buddy. Nobody cares.
I have two handles, and never had any others:
1) second -- http://www.fireflyfans.net/profileshow.aspx?u=20832
2) two -- http://www.fireflyfans.net/profileshow.aspx?u=21277 (Since I don't use that verizon email account, because it would cost me money when I dropped verizon, I stopped using the "two" handle, but it still useable.)

6ix, neither handle has been banned. Everytime, 6ix, you state as fact something that is false (including your inane misinterpretation of Zipf's Law) you are reminding me that you are crazy. But that is no big deal since every Trumptard I know is screwed up in the head as you and they have been long before Trump was elected. Suddenly I realize that makes those Americans Broken People, which is the name of this topic.

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Friday, October 29, 2021 8:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


You may disagree with his PRINCIPLES, but at least he has some.
My post was about plain,good ols-fashioned CORRUPTION.


BTW, you still haven't nominated and DEM as being uncorrupted.
Are you having a hard time thinking of any?

How about if we start at the top?
Biden
Harris
Pelosi

Any joy there?



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Friday, October 29, 2021 8:44 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:

6ix, neither handle has been banned.


Your handle Reaverfan was banned.

Quote:
Everytime, 6ix, you state as fact something that is false (including your inane misinterpretation of Zipf's Law) you are reminding me that you are crazy. But that is no big deal since every Trumptard I know is screwed up in the head as you and they have been long before Trump was elected. Suddenly I realize that makes those Americans Broken People, which is the name of this topic.


I'm good dude. Got everything I want and need, despite your President* trying to take everything away from everybody, including their freedom.

You're an extremely unhappy person and it's evident in every post you make.

You should work on that.



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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You may disagree with his PRINCIPLES, but at least he has some.
My post was about plain,good ols-fashioned CORRUPTION.


BTW, you still haven't nominated and DEM as being uncorrupted.
Are you having a hard time thinking of any?

How about if we start at the top?
Biden
Harris
Pelosi

Any joy there?
None of the Democratic politicians on the National level are corrupt. If you've got proof, show me the articles with the proof. On the other hand, every Trump voter I know is a seriously defective person. It's not as if their values are anathema; it's their entire lives. From my prospective, the Trump voters are down there with the millions of slave-owning Confederates or the tens of millions of Germans who supported Hitler, until it became fashionable to claim that they secretly were opposed to Hitler after he was dead and it was very safe for them to falsely claim they weren't Nazis.

You have to hand it to Sen. Ted Cruz; his timing was impeccable. On the anniversary of the deadliest attack on Jews in US history, Cruz raised his voice in the Senate to defend an American's right to brandish the Nazi salute.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/29/opinions/problem-with-ted-cruzs-defense
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Friday, October 29, 2021 9:14 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
None of the Democratic politicians on the National level are corrupt.


And there you go.

Not that I need to convince anybody else of this, but here's the perfect example of the extreme level of delusion and denial we're dealing with here and why there is zero reason to ever read past the first sentence of any post that Second ever makes.




Just for yucks though Sigs...

Maybe you should ask it what it thinks about Manchin and Sinema.

That level of hypocrisy just might make it's head 'splode.






FOR REFERENCE: From 10:48 just this morning...

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's your problem. Figure it out.

I'm not paid to teach stupid people how the world works.
Your video claims (at 14:25) Zipf's Law says that rich Americans get richer and the poor Americans get poorer. That is NOT Zipf's Law. That's all the Republican Senators (and two Democrats) passing the laws that cause the rich Americans to get richer. At this very second, every Republican Senator (and two Democrats) are opposed to raising taxes on people with more than a $billion. That would be a law that STOPS the rich from growing richer and, instead, pays for the poor to grow richer.




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Saturday, October 30, 2021 3:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
SIGNYM:
You may disagree with his [Rand Paul's] PRINCIPLES, but at least he has some.
My post was about plain,good ols-fashioned CORRUPTION.
BTW, you still haven't nominated and DEM as being uncorrupted.
Are you having a hard time thinking of any?
How about if we start at the top?
Biden
Harris
Pelosi
Any joy there?

SECOND: None of the Democratic politicians on the National level are corrupt.


Well, SECOND is definitely a broken person!

Quote:
If you've got proof, show me the articles with the proof. On the other hand, every Trump voter I know is a seriously defective person.
EVERY Trump voter?
If you've got proof, show me tha articles of proof.
On. every. person.

I gave you three whole sentences of attention, SECOND.
That's more than you rate.

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Joe Biden: used his son to grift money from nations across the world in an influence-peddling scheme. (It's all in Hunter's laptop, which we are not permitted to talk about.)

Kamala Harris: got ahead in politics by having an extramarital affair (diddling) Willie Brown

Nancy Pelosi: insider trading, bludgeoning Sanders out of the race, spreading disninformation and threatening democracy

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
None of the Democratic politicians on the National level are corrupt.


And there you go.

Not that I need to convince anybody else of this, but here's the perfect example of the extreme level of delusion and denial we're dealing with here and why there is zero reason to ever read past the first sentence of any post that Second ever makes.
6ix, if you are accusing Federal level Democrats of being corrupt, give me proof. On the other hand, Federal level Republicans are claiming Jan 6th never happened. 6ix has claimed the same. There is video proof it did happen.

republicans denying jan 6th insurrection
https://www.google.com/search?q=republicans+denying+jan+6th+insurrecti
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Joe Biden: used his son to grift money from nations across the world in an influence-peddling scheme. (It's all in Hunter's laptop, which we are not permitted to talk about.)

Kamala Harris: got ahead in politics by having an extramarital affair (diddling) Willie Brown

Nancy Pelosi: insider trading, bludgeoning Sanders out of the race, spreading disninformation and threatening democracy
Where is the citations proving it? I've heard lying Republicans say it over and over, but they are lying, so don't use them as your proof. By the way, Hunter Biden is not a Federal level Democrat. He is a zero. The complaint against Joe Biden should be that Joe has not locked up Hunter in an insane asylum for the good of the country. It's Joe's patriotic duty. In the padded cell next to Hunter, Trump should be locked up, also for the good of the country. If Biden won't, then at least Biden should prod the IRS to make Trump pay his back taxes for the last 20 years, since he paid nothing in all that time.

Signym, I have about 21,900,000 citations for trump tax cheat
Trump is fighting to NOT pay his taxes.
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+tax+cheat

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Saturday, October 30, 2021 10:15 AM

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I see that Second is done debating me because I kicked his ass with his own hypocrisy.

Go fuck yourself dude. I'm done wasting my time with you on this topic. You are so beneath me.



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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I see that Second is done debating me because I kicked his ass with his own hypocrisy.

Go fuck yourself dude. I'm done wasting my time with you on this topic. You are so beneath me.
As is Trump, always claiming he is right when he is wrong, 6ix is both conceited and belligerent.

Yale historian Timothy Snyder, who accurately predicted Trump’s insurrection, makes a startling new prediction: “We’re looking almost certainly at a Republican attempt in 2024 to take power without winning the election.” He warns that Republican-controlled state legislatures will suppress Black votes and give the legislatures control over casting electoral votes in 2024 to, even if they lose by 10 million votes, “still appoint the president of their choosing.”

He says that while most coup attempts fail, “a failed coup is practice for a successful coup.”

6ix and Trump will be claiming victory when they lose, for that is the Trumptard way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/15/american-democracy-
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Saturday, October 30, 2021 7:29 PM

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Not even worth discussing this with you anymore, Dopey.

I didn't even bother reading your first sentence this time.

Go find something else to argue with me about because you were thoroughly destroyed here yesterday.



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Saturday, October 30, 2021 11:15 PM

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Quote:
SECOND: Where is the citations proving it?
Where is the proof of all of the "collusion" and "Russian help" and "quid pro quo" and "tax fraud" and "incitement" and other misdeeds that TRUMP supposedly committed?

Oh, nowhere to be found?

Yep, that's as far as I read of your stupid post.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SECOND: Where is the citations proving it?
Where is the proof of all of the "collusion" and "Russian help" and "quid pro quo" and "tax fraud" and "incitement" and other misdeeds that TRUMP supposedly committed?

Oh, nowhere to be found?

Yep, that's as far as I read of your stupid post.
Signym, I remember you claiming all evidence was false, which is an excellent legal strategy for defending criminals on the internet or in the American legal system.

Robert Durst. Rich guy. Was on a killing spree for 30 years. There was evidence all over that he repeatedly committed murder. But Durst's lawyers were able to delay justice until he was a senile old fool arrogantly taking the witness stand. The American legal system cannot get convictions against the guilty when the defendant won't admit guilt and has excellent lawyers who know how to wear down overworked prosecutors who would rather move on to easier cases. Durst proved that the system doesn't work. If Durst hadn't foolishly run his mouth on the witness stand and during TV documentaries on the murders connected to Durst, there would be no conviction and Durst would have fan girls still claiming he is innocent.

Another Broken Person: Judge bars Rep. Fortenberry from being alone with evidence

A federal judge has ordered U.S. Rep. Jeff Fortenberry of Nebraska not to be left alone with any evidence related to charges that he lied to FBI agents about illegal foreign donations to his campaign

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/omaha-fbi-los-angeles-lincoln-repub
lican-b1948133.html

or at https://web.archive.org/web/20211029215024/https://www.independent.co.
uk/news/omaha-fbi-los-angeles-lincoln-republican-b1948133.html

Think about it.....The Judge is effectively saying that there is a high risk that as US Congressional Representative (GOP) will destroy incriminating evidence ......

What sort of people do we elect as representatives if that is the level of trust they inspire ?

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