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US-Russia talks Jan 10 in Geneva

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Saturday, January 8, 2022 5:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Something of a placeholder thread for an important event.

Also, an intro






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Monday, January 10, 2022 4:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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We do not trust the other side, so to speak,” Ryabkov said. “It’s over, enough is enough.”-Chief negotiation Ryabkov.


Well, I wouldn't trust us either. We have a longstanding history of breaking almost every promise we ever made.

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Americans ‘underestimate gravity of situation,’ Russia warns after European security talks
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov © Sputnik / Alexey Vitvitsky

Following discussions on Monday in Switzerland over the future of European security, Russia's chief negotiator has warned that his American counterparts “underestimate the gravity of the situation.”

While the US delegation came to Geneva for “serious” discussions on Moscow’s European security proposals, they failed to show an understanding of how key issues need to be resolved, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov claimed.

Russia laid all of its cards on the table in proposals made public last month, Ryabkov insisted, and those represent “demands that we cannot retreat from.”

The diplomat described the Geneva talks as useful because they discussed matters previously considered off the table, and said he did not think the situation was hopeless. The greatest difference of views between the US and Russia was on the further expansion of Washington's NATO military bloc.
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“For us, it’s absolutely mandatory to make sure that Ukraine never ever becomes a member of NATO,” Ryabkov said, and Moscow is insisting that the institution amend its policies to reflect this reality.

“We are fed up with loose talk, half-promises, misinterpretations of what happened in different negotiations behind closed doors,” he said, referring to the State Department’s claims in recent days that NATO and the US never promised Moscow that NATO would not expand to the east.

“We do not trust the other side, so to speak,” Ryabkov said. “It’s over, enough is enough.”

Following Monday’s talks in Geneva, Ryabkov will meet with NATO representatives on Wednesday, and with the OSCE on January 13, after which Moscow will make a decision whether to continue the negotiations further.



https://www.rt.com/russia/545616-ryabkov-geneva-talks-nato/


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Monday, January 10, 2022 8:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



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Icy Start To Russia-NATO Talks As US Calls Moscow's Central Demand "A Non-Starter"

Monday, Jan 10, 2022 - 06:10 PM

As expected, after eight ours of talks between the US-NATO side and Russia in Geneva on Monday, there were no breakthroughs; instead, the opposite with the American delegation reportedly deeming Moscow's request of no further eastward NATO expansion as a "nonstarter".

The Associated Press cited the US side as "firmly rejecting the demands as a nonstarter" which led to each side digging into their positions. Later, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov confirmed "no progress" was made but still asserted that "We have no intention to invade Ukraine."

Leading the US representatives was Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman, who on a positive note said that it involved a "frank and forthright discussion" which led to "a better understanding of each other and each other's priorities and concerns."
Source: EPA/EFE

Yet she further described it didn't progress much past hearing the other side's position laid out. "It was not what you would call a negotiation," she told reporters. "We’re not to a point where we’re ready to set down texts and begin to go back and forth."

But her words signaled to Moscow that the door is essentially shut on gaining legal guarantees that NATO will not pursue any further eastward expansion, with Ukraine and Georgia being central to the Russian demands (as the Russians also want prior verbal pledges regarding the two countries' path to NATO membership rescinded).

Apparently Washington is in a position where it's willing to come to the table with Russia, but doesn't want to be seen as having NATO policy direction dictated by Moscow. Here's what Sherman said on this:

"We were firm, however, on pushing back on security proposals that are simply nonstarters for the United States," Sherman said, adding "we will not allow anyone" to shut NATO’s "open-door policy" that extends to countries seeking entry in the alliance.

She said Washington "will not forgo bilateral cooperation with sovereign states that wish to work with the United States. And, we will not make decisions about Ukraine without Ukraine, about Europe without Europe or about NATO without NATO."

Additionally Sherman said, "If Russia stays at the table and takes concrete steps to deescalate tensions, we believe we can achieve progress." She also reaffirmed the "costs" of any potential Russian offensive into Ukraine: "Those costs will include financial sanctions, and it's been reported those sanctions will include key financial institutions, export controls that target industries; enhancements of NATO force posture on ally territory; and increased security assistance to Ukraine."

Russia has warned that some form of military response to the US stationing advanced weapons in Europe could be possible in the future.

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— Bryan MacDonald (@27khv) January 10, 2022

Despite the Russians still vowing there won't be the "expected" Ukraine invasion that Western press and officials have been greatly hyping over the last two months, the scenario is sill very dangerous, given the potential for an arms race and proliferation of missiles in Eastern Europe.

On this point, the Russian side stated the following:

"If now NATO proceeds towards deployment of capabilities that are being developed very rapidly in the US, and will possibly be introduced somewhere in Europe, it would require a military response on the Russian part, that is a decision to counter this threat through means at our discretion," Ryabkov, speaking in English. "That will inevitably, unavoidably damage security of the U.S. and its European allies."

Ryabkov was further quoted after Monday's meeting in Russian media as saying the Americans are "playing with fire" - and that "We are calling on the US to demonstrate a maximum of responsibility at this moment. Risks related to a possible increase of confrontation shouldn’t be underestimated."



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/icy-start-russia-nato-talks-us-
calls-moscows-central-demand-non-starter



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Monday, January 10, 2022 8:52 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Said before, will say it again: Russia is just dotting is and crossing ts, so they have a legal justification for whatever countermeasures they've already decided on



I really don't think they expected DC policy-makers to take the offramp being shown them

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Friday, January 14, 2022 4:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



And we're being softened up by un-evidenced non-stop propaganda in the m$m.

From CNN's current suite of headlines (nothing removed):

Russia plotting 'false-flag' operation to justify invasion
Russia's President Vladimir Putin meets with local Russian officials in the Kremlin in Moscow, on December 30, 2021.
first on cnn
US has intel that Russia has pre-positioned operatives in Ukraine to create pretext for invasion
'Massive' cyber attack hits Ukraine government websites
Opinion: Putin's big miscalculation
Ukraine is Putin's 'last stand', says Russia expert



Boy does this remind me of SAAAADDAM!! WMDs!!!

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Friday, January 14, 2022 4:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


CNN loves war.

Without Trump in the news cycle, their viewership has gone down 90%.

They need that ad revenue and would be happy to start a war to get it.

They should all be in prison.

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Friday, January 14, 2022 8:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


USA keeps hyperfocusing on Ukraine. Unless we turn it into a self-fulfiling prophecy by supplying offensive weapons, I don't think that's going to be the Russian response to their security unease.

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Friday, January 14, 2022 10:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Honestly, if I didn't hear about Russia in the RWED, I'm not hearing anything about it.

I wonder how different people get effected by different news. I do find that interesting.

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Thursday, January 27, 2022 2:22 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I have not been keeping tabs on the musical chairs of Ukraine leaders. And the Ukraine thread did not jump out at me.

Sounds like Moscow says NATO shall not progress Eastward, but for Russia to invade westward is not a problem.


We might notice that Russia invaded part of Ukraine around 2014, despite their denials.
During Trump's term, I don't recall any invasions by Russia. If my memory has failed, please remind me.

As soon as Trump was out of office, Russia starts mobilizing vast military forces to the threshold of the Ukraine border.



I'm wondering of the relationship between Russia aggression against Ukraine and the leadership of Ukraine.
Are the Russia aggression signs of an anti-Russia leader of Ukraine, which perturbs Putin? Translation: leader is "good" or anti-enslavement, pro-democracy, pro-freedom, pro-liberty.
Or are the Russian aggressions signs of a pro-Russia leader of Ukraine, so that Ukraine won't make too much noise about the invasion? Translation: leader is "bad" or anti-democracy, anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-liberty.

Or is the cycle, frequency, and schedule of invasions completely unrelated to who is in the White House? Or who the Ukraine leader is?


Lord Darth Obidens minions have announced that international borders between nations are inviolate. Unless it is the invasion across the U.S. border with Mejico.

Asking for a friend.

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Thursday, January 27, 2022 3:10 PM

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Monday, February 14, 2022 11:21 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


After weeks of Obiden urging Russia to assault Ukraine while Ukraine downplayed Intelligence claims, Obiden has spent the past week claiming any hour the invasion will commence, and now Ukraine seems to be entertaining the possibility that they might get assaulted.

Amazing how none of this happened during Trump.

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Monday, February 14, 2022 11:51 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yup. World peace for 4 years under Trump.

3 of those years you didn't even hear the words Jihadist.



Ukraine is considering not joining NATO to avoid World War III. This displeases Biden*'s handlers.

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Friday, February 18, 2022 6:13 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Heard that Russia have been advising captured Ukrainians to relocate to safer parts of Russia, under the threat of Ukraine about to invade Russia.

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Friday, February 18, 2022 6:50 PM

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