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Moscow Burns / Coup In Progress

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Friday, June 23, 2023 7:55 PM

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Friday, June 23, 2023 8:15 PM

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Comrade signym. Here it is, proof positive, like you keep saying, Russia must be winning the war.

Too funny

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Friday, June 23, 2023 8:23 PM

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Friday, June 23, 2023 8:26 PM

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They are going to do a CHAZ or Capitol Hill Organized Protest





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Friday, June 23, 2023 9:55 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


An arrest warrant has been issued for Prigozhin. I posted before, I think the guy lost his marbles. He might whip up some of his Wagner forces, but he apparently doesn't have widespread support.

Oh, BTW, Moscow is not "burning".

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Friday, June 23, 2023 11:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


This is the most comprehensive article I've found so far:

Quote:

The owner of the Wagner private military group has accused Russia of bombing his camps in Ukraine — and is facing arrest on mutiny charges after urging an armed rebellion to oust the country’s defense minister in retaliation.

Yevgeny Prigozhin posted a series of video and audio recordings online in which he claimed Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu launched a rocket strike against his camp, killing “a huge number” of soldiers who were fighting on Russia’s behalf in its war against Ukraine.

Earlier on Friday, he accused Shoigu of leading Russia into war under false pretenses, the Wall Street Journal reported, as the months-long war of words between the two edges on open conflict.

Prigozhin said his mercenaries would now punish Shoigu in an armed rebellion and urged the army not to offer resistance.

“The evil that the military leadership of the country brings forward must be stopped. They have forgotten the word ‘justice,’ and we will return it,” Prigozhin said in an audio recording posted on Wagner’s social media Friday, according to the Journal.

“Anyone attempting resistance will be considered a threat and immediately destroyed. This includes all the checkpoints on our path and any aircraft above our heads.”

The Ministry of Defense in Moscow has denied his claims about the attack. The National Anti-Terrorism Committee, which is part of the Federal Security Services, or FSB, has opened a criminal investigation into Prigozhin on charges of inciting an armed rebellion, state media reported.

Russian generals accused the outspoken Prigozhin of attempting to mount an armed coup against President Vladimir Putin, according to the New York Times.

Russia deployed armored vehicles into the streets of Moscow and the southern city of Rostov-on-Don, near the Ukrainian front lines in the area where Prigozhin’s troops were deployed in response, the Times reported. There have been no reports of any fighting in the streets.

This was supposed to be a march of Wagner forces on ...Moscow?... thru Rostov on Don, if I understand correctly. Not any sort of spontaneous uprising.

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“This is not a military coup, but a march of justice,” Prigozhin declared.

The state news agency Tass said Putin is aware of the situation.

The FSB urged Wagner’s soldiers to arrest Prigozhin on mutiny charges and refuse to follow his “criminal and treacherous orders.” It called his statements a “stab in the back to Russian troops” and said they amounted to fomenting an armed conflict in Russia.

Russia’s chief prosecutor said the criminal investigation was justified and that an armed rebellion charge carries a penalty of up to 20 years in prison.

Since Russia launched its war in Ukraine 16 months ago, Wagner’s forces have been among the most successful even as Russia’s invasion has largely been stalled by Ukraine’s defense forces, backed by Western allies.

Wagner troops successfully took the city of Bakhmut, where some of the most grueling and bloodiest fighting of the war took place. It was the only advance made by Russia last year.

Prigozhin has been critical of Russia’s military brass since it was hired to fight, accusing leaders of incompetence and of starving his troops of weapons and ammunition. His feud with Shoigu dates back years.

His words on Friday, however, were a more direct challenge.

The Russian Defense Ministry required all military contractors to sign contracts with it before July 1, but Prigozhin refused to comply.

Prigozhin said in a statement Friday he was willing to find a compromise with the Defense Ministry, but “they have treacherously cheated us.”

“Today they carried out a rocket strike on our rear camps, and a huge number of our comrades got killed,” he said.

Prigozhin claimed that Shoigu went to the Russian military headquarters in the southern city of Rostov-on-Don personally to direct the strike on Wagner and then “cowardly” fled.

“This scum will be stopped,” he said, in reference to Shoigu.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/wagner-group-s-yevgeny-prigozhin-
accused-of-trying-to-stage-coup-after-claiming-russia-bombed-his-camps-in-ukraine/ar-AA1cXBep





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Saturday, June 24, 2023 3:59 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Burning they say like the Great Fire of London or the 1906 San Francisco Earthquake and Fire


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, Moscow is not "burning".





Honk Honk!

You must believe the 'news' of course it is burning, just its even bigger than your Great Fire of London but they are using smokeless carbon neutral burns and Trump-Pissgate is censoring and joining up with Kim Jong Rocketman to take over the world with Alt Reich Christian KKK


and it burns and BLM Antifa and the Anti-Assad jihadi were Peaceful Protests

http://64.media.tumblr.com/5f2528c856ee116bfaab703531ece02c/6b6acae3cd
29a10e-d9/s400x600/ccaa9ddfd4faf0d50cc5ff3d8e42ae653d584c9b.pnj


https://64.media.tumblr.com/31346c792fe20bbe16abcc4edbb052a3/tumblr_pu
ezamDSTb1y19fn8o1_400.pnj



Mostly Peace not acting like Marxist Jihadi - Burning Looting Murder





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As an American this is a shame I have to rely on another country for the truth about the events in my own borders yet it’s refused. Thank you guys


$1–2 billion in insured damages in the United States

https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b0
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Saturday, June 24, 2023 5:51 AM

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Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech.

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Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:24 AM

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Saturday, June 24, 2023 9:44 AM

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German satirical news site 'Der Postillon' is really having a field day (just like Prigozhin)

Russia submits emergency application for NATO membership

Moscow (dpo) - This step comes as a surprise: Russia's President Vladimir Putin has just submitted an emergency application for admission to the NATO military alliance. His country was spontaneously interested in joining as soon as possible.

"I've always found this principle great, that NATO countries help each other if a NATO country is suddenly attacked, for example by a mercenary force gone mad," said Putin when signing the application. "Alliance case. Great thing. We want to be there."
Furthermore, Putin appealed to the NATO countries. "We ask for a quick and unbureaucratic admission within the next twelve hours. FAST, FAST, FAST!!!"
Otherwise it might already be too late.

https://www.der-postillon.com/2023/06/russland-nato.html

https://www-der--postillon-com.translate.goog/2023/06/russland-nato.ht
ml?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp


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Saturday, June 24, 2023 10:29 AM

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BREAKING NEWS: Russian Defense Ministry announces it has killed 150,000 Wagner mercenaries, destroyed 700 Wagner tanks and captured four Yevgeny Prigozhins.

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Saturday, June 24, 2023 10:43 AM

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Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB

Day 485 of my 3 day war. Russia is invading Russia to free Russia from those who invaded Russia to free Russia from those who invaded Russia.

I remain a master strategist.

1:46 AM · Jun 24, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1672496377815875586

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB

The only thing that could make this worse is if Ukraine drops the Kerch Bridge.

8:58 AM · Jun 24, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1672605235137720320

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Saturday, June 24, 2023 2:06 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


It's not an uprising or a civil war or even a coup, since Prigozhin was going after shoigu, not the whole Russian government. it's being called a mutiny.

I've suspected for a while that Prigozhin was off his rocker. the one thing that Russia is being very cagey about is ... how many Wagner fighters are following him? if it's a hudred, no big deal. if it's 20,000 ... well, they're hardened urban warfare specialists.

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Saturday, June 24, 2023 3:10 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Some Western news like BBC says https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142 Belarus helped strike the deal

he turned around and is gone back in the direction of Ukraine


lots of posts and gossip but most say he changed his mind

Wagner Chief Orders Mercenaries To Stop March On Moscow
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/wagner-chief-orders-mercenarie
s-to-stop-march-on-moscow


Prigozhin orders Wagner mercenaries to halt march on Moscow, retreat from Russia
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/prigozhin-orders-wagner-mercenaries
-to-halt-march-on-moscow-retreat-from-russia


Putin Thanks Belarus Leader, Minsk Says, After Wagner Turnaround
https://www.barrons.com/news/putin-thanks-belarus-leader-minsk-says-af
ter-wagner-turnaround-9f455459


Warlord says Wagner mercenaries have ended insurrection
https://www.ft.com/content/eb029083-ff02-4a8a-87ab-7813e5c01f11


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Saturday, June 24, 2023 3:21 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Apparently this was all about a contract that wasn't renewed...

Quote:

As Was Expected...

... the dawning of reality is in progress for the criminal and his group of accomplices that the game is up.

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko announced on Saturday that he had arranged a deal whereby Wagner Group leader Evgeny Prigozhin will abandon his mutiny in exchange for “security guarantees” for his fighters. “Evgeny Prigozhin accepted the proposal of President Alexander Lukashenko to stop the movement of armed men of Wagner in Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tension,” read a statement from Lukashenko's office. According to the statement, Lukashenko and Prigozhin held talks for the “whole day,” and “came to an agreement on the inadmissibility of unleashing a bloodbath on the territory of Russia.”

Wagner returns to its camps near Bakhmut and Soledar and the procedures of disarming and dismantling start from there. Naturally, all camps will be blocked by military. After that FSB and Investigative Committee will start work. Prigozhin, most likely, will try to escape to 404 [Ukraine] where his contacts, both GUR and MI6, are but I doubt anyone will let him. Now, what was the last straw for Prigozhin? Simple--MoD refused to extend contract with Wagner. And as I stated not for once--the real history of Bakhmut is not what you read in shitty TG channels and most media.



https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/06/as-was-expected.html


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Saturday, June 24, 2023 3:59 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


'Burns'?



Ra-Ra-RasPUTIN, lover of the Russian Queen. There was a cat that really was gone
Ra-Ra-Rasputin, Russia's greatest love machine. It was a shame how he carried on


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Saturday, June 24, 2023 5:35 PM

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Moskau Kazotsky Peasant Soviet Kicks


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Sunday, June 25, 2023 6:54 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Apparently this was all about a contract that wasn't renewed...

https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/06/as-was-expected.html

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
To show there are no hard feelings, I have asked Lukashenka to give Prigozhin an office with a view and a large window.
5:05 AM · Jun 25, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1672908792315486211

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
Shoigu has asked that if he is to commit suicide, would I please tell him first.
5:16 AM · Jun 25, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1672911525881823232

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Sunday, June 25, 2023 6:56 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Rasputin defeats Moscow become new Emperor, Burns down Russia and Steals all Nukes...

...but remember which your prediction turns out BS

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Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech.

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the News media will be your new guide, a faith healer







Modern news will not lie like...

The Mystic man Grigori Rasputin

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Sunday, June 25, 2023 9:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech.



So was Peaceful Protests a Medifor too?

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Sunday, June 25, 2023 1:27 PM

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Yevgeny Prigozhin left the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don late Saturday to a rapturous reception that resembled the departure of a rockstar, with crowds of men gathering around his car.

The extraordinary scenes underlined some of the broader support Prigozhin appears to enjoy among sections of the Russian population, despite Vladimir Putin calling him a traitor whom he vowed to “liquidate”.

One video showed residents in the city cheering as Prigozhin’s car stopped when one person approached. The smiling warlord, flanked by a convoy of armoured vehicles, then proceeded to shake the man’s hand.

In an abrupt about-face, Prigozhin said on Saturday evening that he had called off his troops’ march on Moscow and ordered them to move out of Rostov after reaching a deal with the Kremlin.

Earlier in the day, Prigozhin’s troops had occupied key buildings in Rostov without meeting any tangible resistance. Some residents told the Guardian that they welcomed the warlord’s arrival.

“Finally, we can welcome them home,” said Evgeny, 36, a supporter of the war who has been among those crowdfunding and ferrying goods into occupied Ukraine. “I hope he wins.”

In stark contrast, hours after Wagner troops left the city, some locals appeared to be angrily greeting the police force that took their place, shouting “traitors” and “shame!” at them.

“Putin is afraid of Prigozhin, ordinary people are clearly not,” said Andrei Kolesnikov, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center, based in Moscow. Kolesnikov said the events in Rostov indicated that Prigozhin’s populist, anti-elite persona who speaks truth to power had clearly resonated with many Russians unhappy with the foundering invasion. “There is a real interest in Prigozhin and his fighters,” he said.

It was remarkable that some residents in Rostov-on-Don were openly showing their sympathies for Prigozhin in a political climate where even the slightest forms of dissent can lead to long prison sentences, he said. “The nation longs for a change. To some, Prigozhin is a valuable alternative to Putin.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20230625133426/https://www.theguardian.com
/world/2023/jun/25/yevgeny-prigozhin-wagner-rockstar-exit-from-rostov-shows-public-support-for-traitor


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Sunday, June 25, 2023 1:33 PM

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Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB

Russian intelligence has spent so long believing unarmed civilians protesting against a corrupt government are attempting a coup that we missed 25,000 armed men led by a man who spent weeks saying he would actually attempt a coup.

11:40 AM · Jun 25, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1673008381190078466

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Sunday, June 25, 2023 6:01 PM

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tick tock

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Sunday, June 25, 2023 6:30 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL

The coup isn't even really happening, you dumb shit.

Putin's putting on a show for dummies like you.

You've been psy-oped, bitch.



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Sunday, June 25, 2023 6:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Also...

Damn, I was really looking forward to all the "peace-loving" NeoLib social muppets replacing their Ukraine flags with Wagner logos.

Make my dream come true, Ted. Just go full war machine and change your fff.net logo to the Wagner Group logo.

Here you go:

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Sunday, June 25, 2023 11:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Another news item that THUGR is so very wrong about...



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Monday, June 26, 2023 2:23 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Another news item that THUGR is so very wrong about...



To be fair to Ted, they made this "coup" a lot more believable than the January 6th production.



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Monday, June 26, 2023 3:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Another news item that THUGR is so very wrong about...



To be fair to Ted, they made this "coup" a lot more believable than the January 6th production.



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Indeed

The "Russia" thing? Now THAT was an insurrection!


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Monday, June 26, 2023 11:41 AM

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Russian forces are in the process of creating a nuclear meltdown according to Ukrainian intelligence, with the plan currently underway. The effects of the Nuclear powerplant going into a meltdown would be catastrophic, Ukraine is already preparing for the subsequent fallout from the decision being made. Ukrainian forces are also continuing to push forward and reclaim their territory across all areas.






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Monday, June 26, 2023 11:55 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I bet Ted's stress levels are through the roof today!

Better start digging that bunker, buddy.



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Monday, June 26, 2023 1:43 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Russian forces are in the process of creating a nuclear meltdown according to Ukrainian intelligence


At that point, your skepticism should have kicked in. Apparently you haven't been keeping track of Kiev's record on honesty, either. It makes a much sense as Russia bombing its own pipelines when they could have simply shut off the tap and Russia destroying its own dam when they could have simply opened the floodgates.

Kiev, CIA, NATO, and our bipartisan Senate warhawks are priming you for a false flag.

BE AFRAID! BE VERY AFRAID! RUN AROUND WITH YOUR HAIR ON FIRE!


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Nuclear Falseflag on Zaporozhye NPP Heats Up + Major Wagner Updates and More

A completely coordinated campaign over the last few days has affirmed this. Not only was Budanov’s maiden speech after reappearing from his Kalibrated cranial trepanation centered on Russia’s alleged ‘mining of the ZNPP’ basement, but now several new instances of highly coordinated messaging have been released by Ukraine and its Western controllers.

In fact, since that video from days ago, he’s released a new, even more urgently threatening message...

“The 4th and 6th power units of the Zaporozhye NPP were mined by Russia,” – Kyrylo Budanov "The situation has never been as serious as it is now.
The plan of the terrorist attack at the ZNPP has been fully developed and approved. To accelerate the catastrophe, they can use technical means," Budanov stated


Now, Zelensky has made two separate videos where he plainly states that Russia is preparing a massive terrorist attack at the ZNPP plant “just like they did at the Kakhovka dam”. He goes on to sternly warn the world and charge them with the responsibility to act with utmost severity in response to this upcoming Russian attack. He specifically invokes the threat of radiation crossing the borders into other NATO countries for obvious effect.

And a day later, in coordinated fashion, Lindsay Graham threatened Russia with massive NATO retaliation should Russia use any type of “nuclear” aggravation


MORE WITH LINKS TO ORIGINAL SOURCE MATERIAL AT https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/nuclear-falseflag-on-zaporozhye-np
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Tuesday, June 27, 2023 8:52 AM

THG


Comrade, you've spewed years of bullshit about Russia's prowess in these threads. So now it is fun watching you continue to try and convince yourself and others, how powerful Russia was and still is as it falls apart.

I don’t have to debate you about it. It’s in all the daily global news reports.

Proof my years of posting Russia was little more than a gas station with nukes, is born out of those same daily news broadcasts.

tick tock comrade, your pain is almost over. The facts at the end of the day will end your propaganda and lie telling.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Ted is a nasty little mongoloid, isn't he?

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Tuesday, June 27, 2023 1:40 PM

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It’s not clear why Putin “blinked,” making concessions to Prigozhin after vowing revenge on the mercenary leader.

After Belarus’ leader mediated, Putin agreed to allow his former protegee to escape to Belarus.

Commentator and author David Ignatius said that the speed with which Putin backed down suggests that his sense of vulnerability might be higher than most people realized. “Putin might have saved his regime on Saturday, but this day will be remembered as part of the unravelling of Russia as a great power — which will be Putin’s true legacy,” he wrote.

https://www.dailychatter.com/2023/06/27/pugachevshchina/

Could you imagine a US Marine Corp General shooting down at least six US Army helicopters and a plane then Biden allowing the Marine General to escape into Canada? It would be the end of Biden. The equivalent happened with Putin and Russian helicopters and a plane.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2023 2:10 PM

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Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB

Remember when I denied Kremlin had anything to do with Wagner? Good times.

Still admitting I funded a bunch of war criminals is not going to be an issue for International Criminal Court, is it?

11:54 AM · Jun 27, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1673736462313963535

“It’s just a fighting unit that will do anything that Putin says,” he adds.

It is a charge the Kremlin denies. In June, Putin said of military contractors in Syria: “These people risk their lives and by and large this is also a contribution in fighting terrorism … but this is not the Russian state, not the Russian army.”

But analysts say it’s inconceivable that Wagner would exist without Putin’s approval. Indeed, its training camp in Molkino in southern Russia is attached to a Russian special forces base, guarded by regular soldiers who do not welcome visitors.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2019/08/africa/putins-private-army
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Tuesday, June 27, 2023 3:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB

Remember when I denied Kremlin had anything to do with Wagner? Good times.

Still admitting I funded a bunch of war criminals is not going to be an issue for International Criminal Court, is it?

11:54 AM · Jun 27, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1673736462313963535

“It’s just a fighting unit that will do anything that Putin says,” he adds.

It is a charge the Kremlin denies. In June, Putin said of military contractors in Syria: “These people risk their lives and by and large this is also a contribution in fighting terrorism … but this is not the Russian state, not the Russian army.”

But analysts say it’s inconceivable that Wagner would exist without Putin’s approval. Indeed, its training camp in Molkino in southern Russia is attached to a Russian special forces base, guarded by regular soldiers who do not welcome visitors.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2019/08/africa/putins-private-army
-car-intl
/






Oh yeah, I remember. And so does Signym.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2023 3:38 PM

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‘Don’t see why not’: China envoy on backing Ukraine’s ’91 borders

Brussels, Belgium – China’s envoy to the European Union has suggested that Beijing could back Ukraine’s aims of reclaiming its 1991 territorial integrity, which includes Crimea – the peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.

In a recent interview with Al Jazeera and two other media outlets, when Fu Cong was asked about supporting Kyiv’s goals, which includes reclaiming other Ukrainian regions now occupied by Russia, the senior Chinese diplomat said: “I don’t see why not.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-see-why-not-china-envoy-on-
backing-ukraine-s-91-borders/ar-AA1d6iMn?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9ef6218572184fbf926859cbef20a8ef&ei=33




Of course he did. There is little sense behind pretending any longer they have Russia's back. Not after they've seen Putin can't even control his own. The diplomat knows China is going to reclaim Siberia. Hell, they have already said as much. So, backing Putins' annexing another countries land won't fly. They want others to agree Siberia was annexed from them. Giving them full rights to take it back.

Poor Putin. He's about to lose more land and resources than he tried to annex from Ukraine. Signym, this shits just too funny.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2023 7:14 PM

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Why do you care so much, Ted?

All of this has absolutely nothing to do with you. Never did. Never will.

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Wednesday, June 28, 2023 2:20 PM

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Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
In order to show I am not weak after the rebellion, I bombed a pizzeria in Kramatorsk.
3:27 PM · Jun 27, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1673790188558905345

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
It is a lie to say we deliberately targeted that pizza restaurant. We were in fact aiming at a kindergarten.
6:59 AM · Jun 28, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1674024688995975170

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Wednesday, June 28, 2023 4:03 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Been busy so I haven't devoted much time to this, but spent some time puzzling over the source of this mutiny, its resolution, and what it all means for Russia.

I think the ultimate cause was the reliance of the Russian government on PMCs like Wagner. There are a number of constitutional and political restraints on Russia sending troops to fight foreign wars in Africa, the Mideast, and so forth. While the Russian air force was extremely active in Syria, the bulk of Russia's (fairly small) ground forces were PMCs, with a few official trainers, advisors, and intel thrown in.

The other aspect is that Putin has two sources for his support: a normalized economy and a sharp nationalist bent. However, these can be contradictory and they appeal to two that don't overlap much. He is also extremely risk averse.

Altho he's been known to take swift and decisive action (recently in Kazakhstan and earlier in Chechnya) most often he takes a squishy approach. For example, he could without a doubt bomb all American positions in Syria and clip Israel's nose over Syria... but he doesn't. He still does a dance with Erdogan. He started the SMO softly softly, so it's hard to know when he's going to go full-on Grozny on someone and when he's going to just wind things down.

The one thing I can't square is his calling Prigozhin a traitor and the next day just send him into exile. He's had to explain that recently so I think he's taken some criticism for not dealing with Prigozhin harshly. I'm still trying to figure out the about-face.

One more thing: Apparently orders came down from on high not to interfere with Prigozhin. So border guards, police, the military itself were all told to stand down. The only death was an IL-something observational plane that was shot down by Prigozhin's splinter forces with a Pantsir. They weren't supposed to have Pantsirs so Russian internal security is delving into that.

All Russian officials and semi-officials, even ones critical of the Russian military and how the SMO is being conducted (they want a more aggressive approach) were forced to choose and came down on Putin's side.
No doubt FSB is looking into anyone who may have supported the mutiny. The way to keep this from happening again is to eliminate Wagner, which is being incorporated into the Russian military by accepting Wagner forces. Prigozhin himself and his band of Merrie Men could be contracted to fight in Africa.



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Wednesday, June 28, 2023 4:42 PM

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Quote:

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The one thing I can't square is his calling Prigozhin a traitor and the next day just send him into exile. He's had to explain that recently so I think he's taken some criticism for not dealing with Prigozhin harshly. I'm still trying to figure out the about-face.



Because the whole thing was a psyop.

If Prigozhin were really attempting an actual coup, he'd be dead right now.

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Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
General Surovikin has a “window of opportunity” to confess his crimes.
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1674150977513959427

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
Day 491 of my 3 day war. Ukraine has already liberated more territory than I captured all winter & I’ve had to start a purge of rebellious generals.

I remain a master strategist.

4:47 AM · Jun 29, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1674353899526815747

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Thursday, June 29, 2023 6:01 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.




A lot of behind the scenes peeks at Prigozhin

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Thursday, June 29, 2023 7:02 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Since playback isn't working ATM..
Prigozhin,as it turns out, had been in jail for armed robber - choking and beating a woman on the street along with somebody else, and robbing her of everything including her boots.

He was a self-promoting businessman who had lucrative contracts supplying food to schools and the Russian military, as well as being part-owner of Wagner. Apparently his orders were to stay on the outskirts of Bakhmut and engage Ukrainian the periphery. But he decided to take Bakhmut, which meant that many of his fighters were killed and the Russian MoD had to divert troops to protect his flanks, planes, artillery and tanks to keep Wagner from getting slaughtered. As a result of breaking orders his contracts were being eliminated, and that's when he went ballistic.

The bad blood between him a the Russian MoD goes back to Syria, when he and a local Syrian warlord decided to cross the line of contact that Russia and USA had decided on, in order to grab some oilfields. When USA asked Russia "are those your guys?" Russuyof course said "no", so USA bombed them and Wagner lost appx a dozen men.

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Thursday, June 29, 2023 7:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Since playback isn't working ATM..
Prigozhin,as it turns out, had been in jail for armed robber - choking and beating a woman on the street along with somebody else, and robbing her of everything including her boots.

He was a self-promoting businessman who had lucrative contracts supplying food to schools and the Russian military, as well as being part-owner of Wagner. Apparently his orders were to stay on the outskirts of Bakhmut and engage Ukrainian the periphery. But he decided to take Bakhmut, which meant that many of his fighters were killed and the Russian MoD had to divert troops to protect his flanks, planes, artillery and tanks to keep Wagner from getting slaughtered. As a result of breaking orders his contracts were being eliminated, and that's when he went ballistic.

The bad blood between him a the Russian MoD goes back to Syria, when he and a local Syrian warlord decided to cross the line of contact that Russia and USA had decided on, in order to grab some oilfields. When USA asked Russia "are those your guys?" Russuyof course said "no", so USA bombed them and Wagner lost appx a dozen men.




THAT TIME US FORCES TORE HUNDREDS OF RUSSIAN WAGNER GROUP MERCENARIES TO PIECES IN SYRIA

Against that backdrop, Russia and the US opened up a communications hotline to avoid direct conflict with each other while supporting their proxies on opposite sides. In February 2018, after three years of gingerly avoiding a direct confrontation, the two world powers went toe to toe for the first time since the end of World War I in what came to be known as the Battle of Khasham — a roughly four-hour battle in which the mighty Russian bear (with its Syrian allies) was reduced to a whimpering pup by a much smaller force of American commandos.


As the afternoon sun began to sink over the cradle of civilization on Feb. 7, 2018, a group of US Marines and Army Special Forces soldiers watched surveillance drone feeds in disbelief as a large enemy force amassed 20 miles away near the eastern bank of the Euphrates River. The combined group of Syrian forces and Russian mercenaries from the infamous Kremlin-linked Wagner Group swelled to an estimated 500 troops by early evening. With them were 27 vehicles — including Russian T-72 tanks and armored personnel carriers.

American brass monitoring the situation at the air operations center at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar and the Pentagon were baffled as they watched a massive enemy force positioning itself to attack a nearby outpost where about 30 US Army Rangers and Delta Force commandos from the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) were working alongside Kurdish and Arab forces. American commanders readied aircraft and ground crews, and the members of the JSOC detachment prepared to defend themselves.

The Marines and Green Berets at the mission support site 20 miles away from the JSOC outpost in Deir al-Zour in northwestern Syria prepared a quick-reaction force of about 16 troops, loading four mine-resistant vehicles with anti-tank missiles, thermal optics, food, and water.


At 8:30 p.m., as three Russian tanks moved in closer, it became clear an attack was imminent, and the quick-reaction force prepared to launch.
Fighting from their vehicles, the Green Berets and Marines engaged the rapidly diminishing enemy force. Several Marines ran much-needed ammo to the commandos’ defensive positions while combat controllers guided a second wave of lethal strikes from American aircraft. An hour after the QRF’s arrival, the remnants of the attacking force fled the field. In their wake lay between 200 and 300 dead fighters. Inside the JSOC outpost, one allied Syrian fighter was wounded, and no Americans were harmed.

n the aftermath of the slaughter, Russian state media downplayed the battle. Maria Zakharova, press secretary for the Foreign Ministry of Russia, said only five Russian contractors were killed. Reports of audio recordings purportedly featuring Russians describing the battle tell a much different story.


“To make it short, we’ve had our fucking asses kicked,” one Wagner Group veteran reportedly says in a recording. “Yeah so, one squadron fucking lost 200 people immediately … Another one lost 10 people, and I don’t know about the third squadron, but it got torn up pretty badly too … They tore us to pieces.”

https://coffeeordie.com/wagner-group-syria-khasham




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Friday, June 30, 2023 1:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


russian command told him to stay on his side of the line, and russian air forces/ close ground support wasn't there to protect him.

so, yep, that's what happens when you go off on your own without proper artillery/ missile/ air support like progozhin did: you get slaughtered. just like ukrainians are getting slaughered now.

i'm surprsed they didn't break off their contract with wagner right there.

fwiw, progozhin isn't any kind of military commander. he's had no military training, and putting him in charge of military decisions ...? bad idea.



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