Mars: yes or no? by MAL4PREZ

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Mars: yes or no?

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:46 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
OMG. Why does every single fucking thread turn into you two getting it on?

Talk about how cool the Mars landing is, or go get a room in troll land. This is ridiculous.

Not my fault.

Kwickie started it.

I'm with you. I'm all for praising Curiosity & the mission.

Yay Humans!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:56 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

He started it.

Says the troll who refers to others as "children"...

Classic.

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:13 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

He started it.

Says the troll who refers to others as "children"...

Classic.

Another misquote.

I never originally posted that remark - " He started it "

Again, Kwickie shows how easy it is for him to lie.

Crassic!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, August 13, 2012 1:32 PM

CLJOHNSTON108

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
SarcasticRover is funnier, though. :)

SarcasticRover @SarcasticRover
Getting my software updated today! Not exactly sure what "Windows ME" is - but it'll probs kick ass.
8:22 AM - 10 Aug 12

SarcasticRover @SarcasticRover
PLAN 5 FROM OUTER SPACE: Russian Roulette - not with guns or anything, just take some cosmonauts to a casino. ALWAYS BET ON RED.
8:31 PM - 10 Aug 12

SarcasticRover @SarcasticRover
Not to brag or anything, but my mast is over 40 inches long when fully erect, and also, it has an atomic laser on it… ladies.
9:37 PM - 11 Aug 12

SarcasticRover @SarcasticRover
So beautiful… should have sent… a poet. LOL Kidding! This place is flippin' ugly.
8:13 AM - 12 Aug 12

SarcasticRover @SarcasticRover
Don't you people get it? I will NEVER SEE THE AVENGERS 2! Never! No amount of scientific discovery will make that okay by me.
7:56 PM - 12 Aug 12

SarcasticRover @SarcasticRover
Love my software upgrade! If you're a robot, I highly recommend getting SKYNET. It makes you feel… powerful.
9:00 AM - 13 Aug 12

SarcasticRover @SarcasticRover
PLAN 8 FROM OUTER SPACE: Everyone at JPL takes VOIGHT-KAMPFF tests until we find a replicant… my money's on Ferdowsi.
10:29 AM - 13 Aug 12

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Friday, August 24, 2012 10:17 AM

MAL4PREZ

Video of the descent:

which plays at 3 X real time. The heat shield crashes toward the lower left at :21. A real duration video, not as smooth but gives you time to see things:

Also cool, an interactive panorama of the tracks left during its first little test drive:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/photography/la-sci-bw-mars-curiosity
-pano,0,5525118.htmlstory

I can't help wonder about people who think this is faked. I've met some who showed me "evidence" that the moon landings were faked. It does make a entertaining story. I wonder what their fiction is about this.

ETA: Just to fully appreciate the fact that we are watching hi-def on Mars: the youtube page for the first video includes this "Fun fact: The first mission to Mars, Mariner 4 in 1965, returned a total of 634 kb of data, including 22 photos."

634 kB! Can you imagine?

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Friday, August 24, 2012 10:47 AM

REDREAD

The poster formerly known as yinyang.

Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I can't help wonder about people who think this is faked. I've met some who showed me "evidence" that the moon landings were faked. It does make a entertaining story. I wonder what their fiction is about this.

Poked around the Internet and found this:

Quote:
The supposed landing of the Curiosity was CGI and computer sound effects piped into mission control at JPL in order to fool the engineers, the invited guests, the media and the dumbed down public.

The real rover is in Nevada near Area-51 complete with a Hollywood backdrop standing in for the horizon and the color imaging being re-tuned to a red tint in order to make blue skies look pink and the brown desert soil look deep red.

(ETA: not giving a link because I don't want to encourage web traffic there.)

So, according to this person, not only is the public being fooled about Curiosity, so are the workers at NASA! But they didn't give a theory as to why anyone would fake landing on Mars. Maybe it's similar to why the Moon landing was faked - making it look like we're winning the space race, making sure NASA keeps getting funds, and distracting from a war.

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Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Hey Mal4

Sorry if this has been in the news and it's old info - I've been info free for a while

curiosity-zaps-first-martian-rock

http://www.chromatographytechniques.com/news/2012/08/curiosity-zaps-fi
rst-martian-rock?et_cid=2807179&et_rid=290390323&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.chromatographytechniques.com%2fnews%2f2012%2f08%2fcuriosity-zaps-first-martian-rock

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Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:46 PM

MAL4PREZ

Quote:
Originally posted by REDREAD:
Poked around the Internet and found this:

Quote:
The supposed landing of the Curiosity was CGI and computer sound effects piped into mission control at JPL in order to fool the engineers, the invited guests, the media and the dumbed down public.

The real rover is in Nevada near Area-51 complete with a Hollywood backdrop standing in for the horizon and the color imaging being re-tuned to a red tint in order to make blue skies look pink and the brown desert soil look deep red.

(ETA: not giving a link because I don't want to encourage web traffic there.)

So, according to this person, not only is the public being fooled about Curiosity, so are the workers at NASA! But they didn't give a theory as to why anyone would fake landing on Mars. Maybe it's similar to why the Moon landing was faked - making it look like we're winning the space race, making sure NASA keeps getting funds, and distracting from a war.

Ugh. I figured it was out there, but I haven't done any looking because I'm like to strain my skull muscles, what with all the eye rolling.

Kiki - that's cool! Thanks for the link.

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Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:09 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Curiosity, the NASA rover that landed on Mars last month, is sending remarkable weather observations from the Martian surface that are attracting interest from scientists.

“From a weather point of view, Mars is the most ‘Earth-like’ of the other planets in our solar system, and many features of the weather there are similar to Earth,” says Kevin Hamilton, a pioneer in the area of computer modeling of the Martian atmosphere.

Hamilton, who is Director of Univ. of Hawaii at Manoa’s International Pacific Research Center, notes that Curiosity is the fifth “Weather Station” on Mars. Over the last 35 years, a total of four NASA probes had reached the Martian surface and returned weather data.

“These earlier observations had shown a large daily cycle in temperature and air pressure on Mars. The atmospheric temperature near the surface of Mars generally varies by more than 100 F between day and night because of the overall thinner Martian atmosphere and lack of oceans and their moderating influence,” says Hamilton.

“The exciting new result from Curiosity is a regular and truly enormous swing in atmospheric pressure through each day. Measurements on Earth show a daily swing in pressure of only about one-tenth of one percent of the mean pressure, whereas Curiosity is measuring swings of almost 10 percent of the daily average pressure. We observe such a relative pressure change on Earth only with the passage of an extremely strong hurricane. At the Curiosity site on Mars, this enormous pressure swing occurs regularly every day!”

For Hamilton, these reports of huge pressure swings came as welcome news. Almost 20 years ago, he had predicted that the daily variation on Mars would be particularly large in two “action centers” on the equator located on opposite sides of the Mars. Unlike the earlier NASA probes, Curiosity landed right in one of the equatorial action centers, where another factor comes into play: a resonance in the Martian atmosphere.

"The idea of resonance is familiar in everyday contexts like pushing a child in a playground swing – if you synchronize your pushes with the natural frequency of the swing, it is easy to send the child high into the air,” Hamilton explains.

“In the 1980s, I calculated that on Mars the atmosphere could have a natural frequency with the period of one Martian day. The day-night forcing then could excite a very strong resonant response. Incorporating this idea into a sophisticated computer model, I showed that the effect of this resonant response would be most clearly felt in two equatorial action centers and that the pressure swings there should exceed eight percent of the mean pressure. The remarkable Curiosity observations provide strong confirmation of a resonant vibration of the global atmosphere."

Hamilton suggests that the daily resonant cycles could play a role in explaining a long-standing mystery on Mars, namely how the winds become sufficiently strong to lift enough dust from the surface to create the remarkable global dust storms seen every few years on that planet. “Now that my theory of a daily resonant oscillation seems confirmed, it might help explain the trigger for these dust storms," he says.

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Thursday, December 17, 2015 2:57 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

NASA's About to Have Its Biggest Budget in a Decade
http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/12/nasa-budget-2016-ma
rs-rover-europa-mission-planetary-science/420912/
Here’s how it will spend the money.

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Tuesday, January 24, 2023 9:19 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

NASA to Launch New Mars Sample Receiving Project Office at Johnson
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-to-launch-new-mars-sample-rece
iving-project-office-at-johnson

What’s happened to China’s first Mars rover?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00111-3

Jupiter Icy Moons Explorer operations will overlap with NASA's Europa Clipper mission

ESA_JUICE is undergoing its last round of tests!
https://twitter.com/AirbusSpace/status/1603395053656891393

Using Webb’s infrared abilities, researchers studied how starlight from beyond the molecular cloud was absorbed by the icy molecules within. This process left us with “chemical fingerprints,” or absorption lines, that could be compared with lab data to identify the molecules.
https://twitter.com/NASAWebb/status/1617555796912476160

If you want to build a habitable planet ices are a vital ingredient. They carry several key elements — carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen & sulphur. These are important ingredients in planetary atmospheres & molecules like sugars, alcohols & simple amino acids.
https://twitter.com/ESA_Webb/status/1617553229151076359

Earth-Based Telescopes Spot NASA's Lucy Spacecraft

NASA unveils initial plan for multibillion-dollar telescope to find life on alien worlds
https://www.science.org/content/article/nasa-unveils-initial-plan-mult
ibillion-dollar-telescope-find-life-alien-worlds

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Tuesday, January 24, 2023 1:59 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Depends on which Mars we're talking about?

Mars, the planet: YES

Mars, the God of War: NO

Mars, the candy company: BIG FUCK NO

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Sunday, June 18, 2023 12:25 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

the PDF file admits
Once a year NASA has to make decisions about what it can afford to fund.

Some will want NASA funded, some Senators want money some want cuts, Congressional efforts

Switching off a $900 million to design to fly past Pluto to beyond the edge of the Solar System

2022 Planetary Mission Senior Review

said

https://science.nasa.gov/science-pink/s3fs-public/atoms/files/PMSR22%2
0Final%20Report%20Package%20x9_0.pdf

“The proposed Kuiper belt object (KBO) studies are unlikely to dramatically improve the state of knowledge.”

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Monday, August 26, 2024 8:18 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

NASA in decline or not?

SpaceX Steps Up: NASA Bringing Boeing Starliner Back to Earth Without Astronauts

https://scitechdaily.com/spacex-steps-up-nasa-bringing-boeing-starline
r-back-to-earth-without-astronauts/

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Tuesday, August 27, 2024 7:58 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

Companies describe studies to revise Mars Sample Return

https://spacenews.com/companies-describe-studies-to-revise-mars-sample
-return/

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Monday, November 25, 2024 10:31 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

China’s space ambitions face ‘huge test’ from Musk presence in Trump White House

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3286379/chinas-space
-ambitions-face-huge-test-musk-presence-trump-white-house

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Monday, November 25, 2024 10:59 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

20 years after

President Bush announces new space initiative

Quote:
a plan for space exploration announced on January 2004 by Bush junior, President George W. Bush. It was conceived as a response to the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster, the state of human spaceflight at NASA, and as a way to regain public enthusiasm for space exploration.

Bush while fighting wars on multiple fronts wanted a Moon base or lunar exploration to as a stepping stone to Martian Colonisation for supporting sustained exploration of Mars

Opinion - An Elon Musk-inspired pivot to Mars would be a mistake

https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-elon-musk-inspired-pivot-160000099.
html

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