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Quickest updates seem to be at ZeroHedge

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-15/martial-law-declared-turkey-h
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Latest coverage is that Erdogan has requested civilians who support him go out on the street. IF true that is the last gasp of a dying government.

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Update 21: it appears that the coup is almost over. Moments ago anadolu reported that Turkish state TV resumes normal broadcast; The army member soldiers attempting TRT seizure taken into custody

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Erdogan says that he's restoring control.

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Or is he going full-bore Islamist, with the support of his peeps?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Judges are being rounded up like cattle at the beginning of a cattle-drive. That'll teach them to worry about the rule of law!

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Turkey Suspends All US Operations Against ISIS At Incirlik Airbase, Which Vaults B61 Nuclear Bombs
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-16/turkey-suspends-all-us-operat
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Does Erdogan suspect the USA is behind the attempted coup? Or is he going full-bore Islamist, with the support of his peeps?

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Why do you criticize real sources of news yet continually post links to cites like Zero Hedge. The writers there conceal who they are and claim to be experts on varying topics. They are probably not.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
What I like about Zero Hedge is that their articles are a Swiss cheese of links. So if you want to go back to the original source, chances are you'll find it. That's commendable. They act like they've got nothing to hide. Unlike a lot of other supposedly 'reputable sources' that bury their news slant behind selective quoting, cherry-picked facts, anonymous sources, official pronouncements, and all the usual propaganda tools.

Yeah, I'm looking at YOU, New York Times.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Boy has this thread gone to shit, lies and false reporting.

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Boy has this thread gone to shit, lies and false reporting. -THUGR

Are there any SPECIFIC items that you take issue with? - SIGNY

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It's possible to have international relations on a real concurrence of interests.

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Exactly! That was this part: "I think you may begin to understand how we can appear to be in bed with some people that we don't really trust or like."

International Relations are always self interest first. What kind of leader would go to his people and say, "This is going to hurt us and we'll never reap any rewards, but I think we should do this thing for another country." There's always a reward in mind, even if it's delayed.

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It's possible to have international relations on a real concurrence of interests.

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Exactly! That was this part: "I think you may begin to understand how we can appear to be in bed with some people that we don't really trust or like."

International Relations are always self interest first. What kind of leader would go to his people and say, "This is going to hurt us and we'll never reap any rewards, but I think we should do this thing for another country." There's always a reward in mind, even if it's delayed.

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One of our (and I mean USA foreign policy "our") problems with international relations is that we insufficiently define what "our" interests are, fail to respond in a timely way to changes in the interests of partner nations, and fail to project in the medium and long-term the results of our policies.

So what, exactly, does Turkey do for us that makes it worth our while to support a very active supporter of ISIL?

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Originally posted by G:
Cleaning house with a blow torch.

http://wapo.st/29IINc5

Turkey suspends more than 15,000 education workers in widening purge

ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey suspended more than 15,000 Education Ministry workers on Tuesday and demanded resignations from all university deans as authorities widened their far-reaching crackdowns in the wake of a failed coup attempt.

The 15,200 personnel were being investigated for links to the power grab launched last week, the ministry said in a statement. In addition, 1,577 university deans from Turkey's public and private universities were asked to hand in their notice. A further 492 staff were removed from duty at the country's top Islamic authority.

It marked an escalation in a purge of state institutions after a mutinous faction of Turkey’s military staged an attempted overthrow on Friday night, hijacking fighter jets and helicopters to strike key installations and security forces.

Tens of thousands of military officials, police, judges, governors and civil servants have been fired, detained or put under scrutiny — accused of having links to Fethullah Gulen, a cleric living in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania, who Turkey accuses of being behind the plot.

Gulen — whose backers operate schools in Turkey, the United States and elsewhere — has denied the claims. Critics of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan have warned that he is using it as an opportunity to stamp out any opposition to his government.

Meanwhile, the United States and Europe have urged NATO-ally Turkey to follow the rule of law and maintain democratic principles amid the sweeping fallout from the coup attempt.

But Turkish leaders showed no signs of easing up. Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said Tuesday that Turkey aims to remove Gulen’s movement "by its roots." Gulen was once a close ally of Erdogan, but the men are now rivals.

Yildirim said that Turkey had formally requested Gulen’s extradition, saying his role in the events of last week was “clear.”

“However, we will provide them with a pile of evidence,” he added, according to the state-run Anadolu agency.

Secretary of State John F. Kerry has said previously that the United States would be open to such a request, but that Turkey must provide evidence that meets U.S. legal standards. The State Department had no further comment Tuesday despite repeated requests from journalists.

About 35,000 bureaucrats and others have been fired, detained or suspended. The total includes nearly 9,000 Interior Ministry personnel suspended Monday. Annual leave for more than 3 million civil servants has been canceled.

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Earlier Tuesday, the Turkish military said it had received intelligence that a rogue element was embarking on a coup hours before hijacked tanks were deployed to the streets and rebel-piloted F-16s bombed key buildings in the capital. The timetable raised questions about why quicker action was not taken to interrupt the plot.

The military said in a statement that it was given information on the coup plot by the National Intelligence Organization at 4 p.m. local time and informed relevant authorities. That was several hours before bridges in Istanbul were cut in one of the first public signs that a power grab was underway.

In an interview with CNN, Erdogan said he was with his family in the coastal resort of Marmaris when the fast-moving events began on Friday. Two of his bodyguards were killed in an operation against him, he said, adding that “if I had stayed 10 or 15 additional minutes there, I would have been killed or I would have been taken.”

It will be interesting to see how the US handles the extradition. They almost have to give him up. With Erdogan in such a paranoid state it would be dangerous for any future relations to seem contrary. And if they do give him up I'm not sure I see him going willingly - shootout at the compound in PA in other words.

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Saudi Araba has oil. In order for that oil to pass from the Saudis to America, we need to allow for it to pass through the membrane (which in this case is human rights violations).

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Same thing with allies like Turkey. They do not support DASH

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but because they are Assad’s biggest rivals, weakening DASH to the point of curtailing their assault on Assad did not seem prudent. Their logic was, after DASH did away with Assad, Turkey would then crush DASH.

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This may not have been the best way forward for Turkey, but it is nonetheless why they have proceeded the way they have.

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So just what are witnessing here. Is it a failed coup of a few, or a leader destroying the rule of law, ending democracy in his country and becoming a dictator?

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