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TRUMP AND HIS SUPPORTERS ARE NAZI PEDOPHILES

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Tuesday, February 18, 2025 5:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Prediction: 3 Reasons Donald Trump Can Expect a Big Move in Inflation in 2025

A faster-than-expected inflation rate for January spooked the stock market on Wednesday, with rising costs for food, shelter, and energy all combining to push inflation up to 3% for the year. Core inflation, which doesn't count two of those three factors, is actually running even hotter at 3.3% presently.

And things could be about to get even worse. Maybe much worse.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/prediction-3-reason
s-donald-trump-can-expect-a-big-move-in-inflation-in-2025/ar-AA1zhoUn?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDBBAN&cvid=7050f66ea8e642f0bd091421b285ee85&ei=160




No maybe about it.

T




Eggs are so expensive, NYC bodegas have started selling loose eggs to customers

Fernando Rodriguez is selling a trio of eggs for $2.99 at his shop off of Boston Road. But an entire carton of eggs, those are still available in the back of the bodega for at least $12.

"If they are spending $12 on one dozen eggs, how are they going to get the other stuff, like bread, milk, butter," Rodriguez said, explaining his store's reaction to rising prices.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/egg-prices-nyc-sticker-shock/615
2412
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We saw 40% inflation under your guy and I never heard you once complain about the price of anything.

Because you're a cultist.


So you're going to start whining now because your Masters told you to?

You are pathetic.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2025 5:22 PM

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Anti-Donald Trump podcast knocks Joe Rogan off top spot in charts



Wow. A bunch of Chinese bots watching a podcast only a few thousand people actually watch by three dudes that nobody has ever heard of.

Good way to spend the rest of that USAID money before it dries up. Or maybe they're using some of that missing $1.4 BILLION that Kamala Harris wasted on her doomed to fail campaign?


Let's revisit those numbers a month from now, shall we?

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Wednesday, February 19, 2025 12:54 PM

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Jeffrey Epstein (pedophile) said Trump was his best friend. Now you know what Putin has on Trump. He sexually abused children and Putin must have it on film.

Putin showed on Russian TV two or so weeks ago, pictures of Trumps wife naked. People said it was to humiliate Trump. Nope, he was warning Trump his pictures were next.


T


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Wednesday, February 19, 2025 1:24 PM

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Jeffrey Epstein (pedophile) said Trump was his best friend. Now you know what Putin has on Trump. He sexually abused children and Putin must have it on film.

Putin showed on Russian TV two or so weeks ago, pictures of Trumps wife naked. People said it was to humiliate Trump. Nope, he was warning Trump his pictures were next.



Shut up idiot.

Epstein never once said that. The best you guys could do was find some photos of them smiling together at some rich people party where those photos were just a few among thousands of rich people smiling together for the camera.

And if Putin is jerking off to naked pics of Melania, they're deepfakes. I could put a picture of any celebrity I want to in one of these things and it will spit out an immediate picture of them naked. I can even put a futa cock on them if I wanted to, so Putin could go right ahead and release naked pics of Melania with a big ole donkey dick on her if he wanted to.

You are an easily propagandized half-wit.

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Wednesday, February 19, 2025 1:32 PM

THG


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Originally posted by THG:

Jeffrey Epstein (pedophile) said Trump was his best friend. Now you know what Putin has on Trump. He sexually abused children and Putin must have it on film.

Putin showed on Russian TV two or so weeks ago, pictures of Trumps wife naked. People said it was to humiliate Trump. Nope, he was warning Trump his pictures were next.

T




The Guardian

Jeffrey Epstein details close relationship with Trump in newly released tapes

Recordings from 2017 reveal Epstein talking for some ‘100 hours’ about the ex-president, journalist Michael Wolff says

A New York author and journalist has released audio tapes that appear to detail how Donald Trump had a close social relationship with the late sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein that he has long denied.

The tapes, released as part of the Fire and Fury podcast series by Michael Wolff, author of three books about Trump’s first term and 2020 bid for a second, and James Truman, former NME journalist and Condé Nast editorial director, include Epstein’s thoughts about the inner workings of the former US president’s inner circle.

Trump once praised Epstein in conversation with New York magazine in 2002, calling him “a terrific guy” and hinted at his interest in women “on the young side”. But he claimed the pair had fallen out 15 years before Epstein was convicted on a prostitution solicitation charge in Florida in 2008.

“I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you,” the president said after Epstein was arrested on federal sex-trafficking charges in 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/trump-jeffrey-epstein-
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Wednesday, February 19, 2025 1:45 PM

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Originally posted by THG:

Jeffrey Epstein (pedophile) said Trump was his best friend. Now you know what Putin has on Trump. He sexually abused children and Putin must have it on film.

Putin showed on Russian TV two or so weeks ago, pictures of Trumps wife naked. People said it was to humiliate Trump. Nope, he was warning Trump his pictures were next.

T




The Guardian

Jeffrey Epstein details close relationship with Trump in newly released tapes
Recordings from 2017 reveal Epstein talking for some ‘100 hours’ about the ex-president, journalist Michael Wolff says

A New York author and journalist has released audio tapes that appear to detail how Donald Trump had a close social relationship with the late sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein that he has long denied.

The tapes, released as part of the Fire and Fury podcast series by Michael Wolff, author of three books about Trump’s first term and 2020 bid for a second, and James Truman, former NME journalist and Condé Nast editorial director, include Epstein’s thoughts about the inner workings of the former US president’s inner circle.

Trump once praised Epstein in conversation with New York magazine in 2002, calling him “a terrific guy” and hinted at his interest in women “on the young side”. But he claimed the pair had fallen out 15 years before Epstein was convicted on a prostitution solicitation charge in Florida in 2008.

“I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you,” the president said after Epstein was arrested on federal sex-trafficking charges in 2019.



Yeah. Anybody in the world that believes that Epstein had 100 hours to sit around and talk to some Leftwing dipshit, and he was just going to spill the beans to the world about information that would have been 10,000 times more valuable to him if he didn't tell anyone, is not even worth having a debate with.

Imagine it, Ted... If Epstein and Trump were truly best buds and Epstein were still alive today and had that alleged information on Trump.

Why the fuck would Epstein have talked to some goon at the Atlantic and tell him 100 hours worth of shit that he could have been using to strong-arm Trump today?

Nobody cares what The Guardian and their USAID funded propagandists have to say about anything, Ted.

And the fact that you don't even bother using your brain to figure out when somebody is selling you bullshit is just another reason why you've made a good choice not engaging with me.

I destroy idiots.


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Wednesday, February 19, 2025 2:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

Jeffrey Epstein (pedophile) said Trump was his best friend. Now you know what Putin has on Trump. He sexually abused children and Putin must have it on film.

Putin showed on Russian TV two or so weeks ago, pictures of Trumps wife naked. People said it was to humiliate Trump. Nope, he was warning Trump his pictures were next.

T




The Guardian

Jeffrey Epstein details close relationship with Trump in newly released tapes

Recordings from 2017 reveal Epstein talking for some ‘100 hours’ about the ex-president, journalist Michael Wolff says

A New York author and journalist has released audio tapes that appear to detail how Donald Trump had a close social relationship with the late sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein that he has long denied.

The tapes, released as part of the Fire and Fury podcast series by Michael Wolff, author of three books about Trump’s first term and 2020 bid for a second, and James Truman, former NME journalist and Condé Nast editorial director, include Epstein’s thoughts about the inner workings of the former US president’s inner circle.

Trump once praised Epstein in conversation with New York magazine in 2002, calling him “a terrific guy” and hinted at his interest in women “on the young side”. But he claimed the pair had fallen out 15 years before Epstein was convicted on a prostitution solicitation charge in Florida in 2008.

“I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you,” the president said after Epstein was arrested on federal sex-trafficking charges in 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/trump-jeffrey-epstein-
tapes





Trump gave 18 digital-tape recorded interviews to Woodward in the Oval Office and at night on the telephone, lasting nine hours in total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Tapes#:~:text=White%20House%20
press%20secretary%20Kayleigh,lasting%20nine%20hours%20in%20total
.



Wow, that many hours while he was president. Where did he find the time?

T


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Wednesday, February 19, 2025 2:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
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Originally posted by THG:

Jeffrey Epstein (pedophile) said Trump was his best friend. Now you know what Putin has on Trump. He sexually abused children and Putin must have it on film.

Putin showed on Russian TV two or so weeks ago, pictures of Trumps wife naked. People said it was to humiliate Trump. Nope, he was warning Trump his pictures were next.

T




The Guardian

Jeffrey Epstein details close relationship with Trump in newly released tapes

Recordings from 2017 reveal Epstein talking for some ‘100 hours’ about the ex-president, journalist Michael Wolff says

A New York author and journalist has released audio tapes that appear to detail how Donald Trump had a close social relationship with the late sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein that he has long denied.

The tapes, released as part of the Fire and Fury podcast series by Michael Wolff, author of three books about Trump’s first term and 2020 bid for a second, and James Truman, former NME journalist and Condé Nast editorial director, include Epstein’s thoughts about the inner workings of the former US president’s inner circle.

Trump once praised Epstein in conversation with New York magazine in 2002, calling him “a terrific guy” and hinted at his interest in women “on the young side”. But he claimed the pair had fallen out 15 years before Epstein was convicted on a prostitution solicitation charge in Florida in 2008.

“I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you,” the president said after Epstein was arrested on federal sex-trafficking charges in 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/trump-jeffrey-epstein-
tapes





Trump gave 18 digital-tape recorded interviews to Woodward in the Oval Office and at night on the telephone, lasting nine hours in total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Tapes#:~:text=White%20House%20
press%20secretary%20Kayleigh,lasting%20nine%20hours%20in%20total
.



Wow, that many hours while he was president. Where did he find the time?

T





What the fuck are you talking about Ted? Trump talks directly to the press and in front of cameras hours every day.

Joe Biden* didn't speak in front of cameras for 9 hours in total over the span of 4 years.

He was too busy sleeping while other people you didn't vote for were running our country into the ground.

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Wednesday, February 19, 2025 3:39 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
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Jeffrey Epstein (pedophile) said Trump was his best friend. Now you know what Putin has on Trump. He sexually abused children and Putin must have it on film.

Putin showed on Russian TV two or so weeks ago, pictures of Trumps wife naked. People said it was to humiliate Trump. Nope, he was warning Trump his pictures were next.

T




The Guardian

Jeffrey Epstein details close relationship with Trump in newly released tapes

Recordings from 2017 reveal Epstein talking for some ‘100 hours’ about the ex-president, journalist Michael Wolff says

A New York author and journalist has released audio tapes that appear to detail how Donald Trump had a close social relationship with the late sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein that he has long denied.

The tapes, released as part of the Fire and Fury podcast series by Michael Wolff, author of three books about Trump’s first term and 2020 bid for a second, and James Truman, former NME journalist and Condé Nast editorial director, include Epstein’s thoughts about the inner workings of the former US president’s inner circle.

Trump once praised Epstein in conversation with New York magazine in 2002, calling him “a terrific guy” and hinted at his interest in women “on the young side”. But he claimed the pair had fallen out 15 years before Epstein was convicted on a prostitution solicitation charge in Florida in 2008.

“I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you,” the president said after Epstein was arrested on federal sex-trafficking charges in 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/trump-jeffrey-epstein-
tapes





Trump gave 18 digital-tape recorded interviews to Woodward in the Oval Office and at night on the telephone, lasting nine hours in total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Tapes#:~:text=White%20House%20
press%20secretary%20Kayleigh,lasting%20nine%20hours%20in%20total
.



Wow, that many hours while he was president. Where did he find the time? I guess we can see how Recordings from 2017 revealing Epstein talking for some ‘100 hours’ about the ex-president are fathomable.

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Wednesday, February 19, 2025 5:45 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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What the fuck are you talking about Ted? Trump talks directly to the press and in front of cameras hours every day.

Joe Biden* didn't speak in front of cameras for 9 hours in total over the span of 4 years.

He was too busy sleeping while other people you didn't vote for were running our country into the ground.

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Trump's endless babbling in front of cameras has consequences. Trump repeatedly told the world that he is untrustworthy:

'I think NATO is over': Retired general declares death of key U.S. alliance

By Sarah K. Burris | February 19, 2025 5:07PM ET

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-nato-2671184645/

For 76 years, NATO has prevented war, but not anymore, so long as Trump is President.

"Unfortunately, my own view is the damage is done," he said of Trump's failures in foreign policy. "It's now irrevocable. There's not a shred of rational argument among European powers to trust the United States' commitment to NATO and Article Five."

6ix, in other words, Trump's mouth says seriously stupid things. Also, if you believe Biden was "running our country into the ground" you have been living very stupidly. Everyone except the stupid/mentally-ill/Trumptards have prospered for the last 4 years. Half the people in Texas are stupid/mentally-ill/Trumptards living right next door to Anti-Trumptards. The Anti-Trumptards prospered and Trumptards did not in Texas. That's why the Trumptards are angry, bitter and estranged.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, February 19, 2025 6:49 PM

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tick tock

T


NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!’: TERRIFIED Elon Musk DISOWNS DOGE






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Wednesday, February 19, 2025 8:16 PM

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What the fuck are you talking about Ted? Trump talks directly to the press and in front of cameras hours every day.

Joe Biden* didn't speak in front of cameras for 9 hours in total over the span of 4 years.

He was too busy sleeping while other people you didn't vote for were running our country into the ground.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

Trump's endless babbling in front of cameras has consequences. Trump repeatedly told the world that he is untrustworthy:

'I think NATO is over': Retired general declares death of key U.S. alliance

By Sarah K. Burris | February 19, 2025 5:07PM ET

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-nato-2671184645/

For 76 years, NATO has prevented war, but not anymore, so long as Trump is President.

"Unfortunately, my own view is the damage is done," he said of Trump's failures in foreign policy. "It's now irrevocable. There's not a shred of rational argument among European powers to trust the United States' commitment to NATO and Article Five."

6ix, in other words, Trump's mouth says seriously stupid things. Also, if you believe Biden was "running our country into the ground" you have been living very stupidly. Everyone except the stupid/mentally-ill/Trumptards have prospered for the last 4 years. Half the people in Texas are stupid/mentally-ill/Trumptards living right next door to Anti-Trumptards. The Anti-Trumptards prospered and Trumptards did not in Texas. That's why the Trumptards are angry, bitter and estranged.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



Fuck NATO.

And fuck you.

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Wednesday, February 19, 2025 8:18 PM

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NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!’: TERRIFIED Elon Musk DISOWNS DOGE



Nope. A current google search only comes up with this video as a result.

Nobody but your clickbait is running with this now, which means it's not happening since MSNBC would have a hit for sure if it were.


Either that, or you've already lost MSNBC now too.


Tick Tock, Ted. Tick Tock.



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Thursday, February 20, 2025 5:26 PM

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If you're not working, you better start.

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Can Tariffs Replace Income Taxes?





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Thursday, February 20, 2025 5:37 PM

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What the fuck would Peter know about it?

He's wrong about everything and you keep watching him.

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Thursday, February 20, 2025 9:43 PM

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Thursday, February 20, 2025 10:15 PM

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Don't click on that.

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Friday, February 21, 2025 10:22 AM

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Another Republican delivers "salute"






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Friday, February 21, 2025 12:06 PM

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Shut up, faggot.

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Saturday, February 22, 2025 2:06 PM

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It was obvious to many it would not take long for Trump to lose much of his support. Why, because he is sick in the head.

tick tock

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Republicans get RUDE AWAKENING from FED UP Americans







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Trump Stunt BACKFIRES IN HIS FACE as Past RESURFACES






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Saturday, February 22, 2025 2:26 PM

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Trump has been compromised. Trump is a pedophile and Putin has the goods on him.

T


Trump's allegiances to Putin sound espionage alarms | Christopher Steele






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Carville destroys Hannity

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Hannity debates Ragin’ Cajun James Carville on Trump’s return to office




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Saturday, February 22, 2025 4:36 PM

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Fuck Hannity and Carville.

They both work for your guys.

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Saturday, February 22, 2025 4:37 PM

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Trump has been compromised. Trump is a pedophile and Putin has the goods on him.



I guess we'll see when the Epstein list comes out.

Your party murdered Epstein and did whatever they could to bury that list.

Tick Tock

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World leaders UNITE AGAINST Trump with POWERFUL STAND






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Saturday, February 22, 2025 7:00 PM

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Poor Ted.

He can't come to terms with the new world he's living in.



Love that thumbnail, buddy. Cuck Justin ain't even a factor anymore, and he collapsed immediately.

Child Rapist Zelensky owes us $500 Billion and doesn't have shit to offer us.



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Saturday, February 22, 2025 7:03 PM

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She said here Trump would roll over for Putin, and boy was she right. She was dead on correct as she laid it all out.

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Harris to Trump: Putin would ‘eat you for lunch’






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Saturday, February 22, 2025 7:07 PM

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Harris to Trump: Putin would ‘eat you for lunch’



They must have filmed her before 10AM if she wasn't drunk as shit while saying anything.

Have you seen this broad after the election, Ted?

Half the time she talks she slurs her words so badly Google gives up and can't even put closed captioning up.



Nobody gives one single shit about your opinions.

You refuse to learn any lessons and you refuse to tell people you are sorry and that you were wrong.

So be it.

We will burn your fucking party to the ground and piss on the ashes.

Enjoy the rest of your short life in darkness and irrelevance.

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Sunday, February 23, 2025 6:15 AM

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ANOTHER Republican town hall descends into CHAOS





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Sunday, February 23, 2025 6:49 AM

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Trump GOLFS as His World FALLS APART





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Sunday, February 23, 2025 4:28 PM

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Oh noez! CHAOS! Trump's world is FALLING APART!


Dude looks pretty chill to me, Ted.

He talks for hours every day in front of cameras. Why don't you listen to what he's saying instead of filling your head with your bullshit MTN clickbait and the other Lefty brainwashed jagoffs you listen to that are going to disappear once the rest of their USAID grants run out?

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Monday, February 24, 2025 12:32 PM

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Here's more click bait. Republicans starting to hide.

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Trump GETS SMOTHERED by Town Hall BACKLASH





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Monday, February 24, 2025 12:53 PM

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Just remember, Ted, that you are the one choosing to drive yourself insane with all this fan-fic every day.

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Tuesday, February 25, 2025 10:01 AM

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Resposted

Patrimonialism is a form of governance in which all power flows directly from the ruler. There is no distinction between the public and private domains. These regimes are autocratic and exclude the lower, middle and upper classes from power.

They “exclude the lower, middle and upper classes from power.” Already we can see some begin to realize this. Republican town halls are beginning to erupt in anger. Those who have always wanted to exclude others from enjoying the fruits America offers, are now finding out they voted for someone who plans on denying them the fruits America offers. There're learning that their stature in this country is now less than before.

They already hate Musk. Trump less so, because believing Trump could care less about them is hard to swallow. They first must come to terms with how badly they’ve been duped. Many will not be able to. Evangelicals must come to terms with the fact that Trump never was religious, but instead is a predator. That he preyed upon them. But swallow it they will because if they continue to embrace it, the country will hit a point of no return.

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Tuesday, February 25, 2025 1:22 PM

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Yup...

T


"Enough with the lying!"





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Tuesday, February 25, 2025 1:45 PM

THG


I'm glad I am one of the good guys, because republicans like this guy suck. "The term "indefensible" refers to something that is incapable of being maintained as right or valid; it is often used to describe actions or arguments that cannot be justified or excused." How can anyone defend cutting SNAP while planning on giving the top 1% a tax cut up to 2 trillion dollars.

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Republican gets TOUGH LESSON to his face






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Tuesday, February 25, 2025 6:52 PM

THG


tick tock

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WHOA: Republicans CAUGHT screwing over their own voters






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Tuesday, February 25, 2025 7:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK




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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

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Tuesday, February 25, 2025 8:07 PM

THG


Laughing here; Trump can't stop losing.

T


21 former USDS employees resign in refusal to work for DOGE








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Tuesday, February 25, 2025 9:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Sounds like more winning to me.

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Wednesday, February 26, 2025 4:44 PM

THG


Apples 500 billion commitment. A proper look. "For context, not long after Biden’s presidency began in 2021 — notice the timing — Apple committed $430 billion in U.S. spending across five years, so 2025 is presumably included in both pledges." Thanks Joe

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Accounting For The $500 Billion

How much incremental new spending does the $500 billion represent? For context, not long after Biden’s presidency began in 2021 — notice the timing — Apple committed $430 billion in U.S. spending across five years, so 2025 is presumably included in both pledges. That makes math fuzzier. We should not forget, either, that inflation since April 2021 has totaled 18.8%, so that annualized number is a lot lower than it looks, especially with the 2025 overlap.

How much of the $430 billion pledge announced in 2021 was actually spent? It would be great to see a breakdown of that spending, but as far as I know there isn’t one available for public consumption. The same applies to Apple’s January 2018 pledge to invest $350 billion in the U.S. spread across five years. I think you see the trend.

Hiring And Payroll Questions

How many new jobs will today’s pledge create? Apple’s announcement said that the company will hire “around 20,000 people” in the next four years. But at the close of its most recent fiscal year in September 2024, Apple employed 164,000 FTEs worldwide. So bringing on 5,000 people per year for the next four years to hit that 20,000 number would imply hiring a whopping 3% new employees per year — and it’s not even clear if all of those would be net-new hires.

Seriously, just 20,000 new hires? To correspond with a $500 billion outlay? I get it that Apple always does lots of work through its suppliers and other ecosystem partners, so not all of the money will translate directly into new headcount at Apple. But a 20,000-person increase doesn’t seem that high for a half-trillion-dollar investment. Also, both the 2018 and 2021 pledges from Apple came with U.S. hiring commitments, in each case for 20,000 workers. So I think we can be forgiven for wondering whether this is just a pro forma number that sounds good to Apple. To put this in context, the BLS says that there are 164.9 million workers in the U.S. today. Apple’s commitment, if it were all enacted this minute, would raise that jobs number by .012%.

What part of the $500 billion is wages, including indirect wages?

This is the last payroll question, I promise. Apple’s announcement today talked up the 2.9 million jobs “currently supported” by Apple in the U.S., which includes personnel at Apple’s suppliers — and even developers for independently produced iOS apps. So are the projected wages of those existing 2.9 million U.S. workers across the Apple ecosystem counted as part of the $500 billion?
Manufacturing Plans

How big a deal is this new server assembly plant? Apple said that in 2026 it will begin producing servers at a 250,000-square-foot facility in Houston. This will replace some amount of offshore manufacturing for these servers, which will support Apple’s Private Cloud Compute initiative and Apple Intelligence. As a longtime Texan who once worked for Compaq in Houston, it’s good to know that this facility will bring thousands of new jobs to the city, and that Apple expects to expand its datacenter capacity in several other states, too. But during Compaq’s heyday, the company had about 6.5 million square feet of manufacturing, labs and office space in Houston. With that in mind, 250,000 square feet of final assembly space strikes me as a midrange build-out. Big factories are in the millions of square feet. For a more immediate comparison, the initial phase of the Stargate project aims to create at least 10 — and possibly up to 20 — AI data centers of 500,000 square feet each.

So it would be nice to see more than this from Apple.

Was the Apple Manufacturing Academy in Detroit bolted on to make the press release look better? Don’t get me wrong, the academy seems like a good initiative to help SMBs implement AI and smart manufacturing, plus a no-cost skills development curriculum for workers. But it feels to me like folks at Apple may have said, “We don’t have enough in here — we should add this.” Re-skilling is very important for the success of American manufacturing workers, but I would have preferred to see hard figures for the overall and incremental spend on the entire academy initiative in every city. That would be impressive.

Geopolitical And Trade Aspects

How much of the $500 billion is earmarked for TSMC? In its announcement, Apple touted the doubling of its U.S. Advanced Manufacturing Fund from $5 billion to $10 billion. A chunk of that money is committed for the production of chips at TSMC’s Fab 21 in Arizona, of which Apple is the largest customer. I’m a veteran of the semiconductor industry, and I genuinely appreciate that Apple is putting its money where its mouth is for “promoting advanced manufacturing and skills development throughout the country.” But also: Can any of its investment — especially for the transistor IP that TSMC develops in Taiwan, not the U.S. — be leveraged in TSMC’s Taiwan operations? More broadly, what exactly does Apple’s TSMC commitment pay for? A really gutsy move would have been a capital investment in Intel’s Columbus firm to manufacture Apple’s “big die” silicon that goes into MacBook Pros, or even these new AI servers in the future. Intel’s 18A node might not be appropriate yet, but 18A-P could be.

Is this announcement timed with the desire to potentially reduce tariffs the new administration has announced but not yet implemented for China and Taiwan? President Trump met with Apple CEO Tim Cook last Thursday and had nice things to say about the Apple investment. Trump seems intent on using tariffs as a significant bargaining chip, as he’s already done with the governments of Canada and Mexico. If I were the CEO of a major U.S. tech company with critical supply lines in China and Taiwan, I would certainly take Trump seriously about tariffs — and work to be on the right side of any case-by-case decisions about tariff waivers coming from the administration.
Sorting The Hype From The Reality

If I sound cynical about what Apple announced today, it’s just that I have long experience with these kinds of showpiece initiatives — many of which don’t live up to their hype. It’s great that Apple is making another even bigger pledge on top of the $350 billion and $430 billion commitments it made in previous years, but we’ve also never seen any accounting that details what actually happened for those pledges.

This isn’t specific to Apple, because we could say the same thing for the Stargate project or other investment initiatives for which the numbers are big and impressive in the PR stage, but then (usually) unavailable for public review in the retrospective stage. So while the commitment to domestic U.S. manufacturing (and up-skilling employees and so on) sounds great, in an important sense this sort of announcement is always going to be a PR exercise.

In Apple’s case, that’s especially relevant given that the company will most definitely continue to do most of its manufacturing overseas, regardless of the commitments it has announced. In that context, I’ll note that Tim Cook is a savvy executive who has successfully navigated several presidential administrations, and I can’t help but think that Apple is making this announcement to help it get ahead of potential China and Taiwan tariffs.

In fact, during Trump’s first term, China itself committed to fix its trade imbalance with the U.S.; while that commitment was never fulfilled, Trump lowered tariffs on China based on the promise. I have no inside knowledge about this, but Apple could be running a similar play: Make a nice commitment to U.S.-based manufacturing — maybe including projects you were planning to do anyway — to forestall any tariff trouble, knowing that you might never be required to actually fulfill the promise. Now, pulling that off would be “Apple intelligence.” We’ll see if the new administration buys it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmoorhead/2025/02/24/what-does-appl
es-500-billion-pledge-for-us-production-really-mean
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Thursday, February 27, 2025 6:44 PM

THG


Why, because Trump is a moron.

T


"Anthrax for the economy"






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Thursday, February 27, 2025 8:14 PM

THG


This country is fucked.

T


Trump Takes on Trade






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Thursday, February 27, 2025 8:46 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Keep throwing the word Nazi around in 2025 and see where it gets you, stupid.

It's worked out stunningly well for you so far, hasn't it?

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Friday, February 28, 2025 9:53 AM

THG


What every American should know about US foreign aid

The Vitals

Foreign aid is money, technical assistance, and commodities that the United States provides to other countries in support of a common interest of the U.S. and that country. Opinion polls consistently report that Americans believe foreign aid is about 25% of the federal budget, when it is actually less than 1%. As the world’s wealthiest nation, the U.S. provides more assistance than any other country, but a smaller proportion of its gross national product (GNP) than other wealthy nations. Historically, support for foreign aid has been bipartisan.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/what-every-american-should-know-abo
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Aside from being the humanitarian thing to do, it buys friends. When needed these countries work with us instead of authoritarian countries. Countries that work to undermine America. Trump and his minions keep showing they are clueless.

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Friday, February 28, 2025 9:57 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Keep throwing the word Nazi around in 2025 and see where it gets you, stupid.

It's worked out stunningly well for you so far, hasn't it?

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

Nazis thrive because Libtards have moral qualms about pulling the trigger.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, February 28, 2025 10:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:

quote]Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Keep throwing the word Nazi around in 2025 and see where it gets you, stupid.

It's worked out stunningly well for you so far, hasn't it?



"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon



Nazis thrive because Libtards have moral qualms about pulling the trigger.




"Simon, it goes without saying, does not support Trump"

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-35801184




Jack wants to quote Paul Simon but has to do it dishonestly because Paul Simon doesn't support Trump. While Simon says he isn't a political junkie, he did approve Bernie Sanders playing his music at his rallies. He feels Sanders wants to build something not destroy it. In other words, Paul Simon doesn't find MAGA amusing.

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Friday, February 28, 2025 10:34 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:

quote]Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Keep throwing the word Nazi around in 2025 and see where it gets you, stupid.

It's worked out stunningly well for you so far, hasn't it?



"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon



Nazis thrive because Libtards have moral qualms about pulling the trigger.




"Simon, it goes without saying, does not support Trump"

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-35801184




Jack wants to quote Paul Simon but has to do it dishonestly because Paul Simon doesn't support Trump. While Simon says he isn't a political junkie, he did approve Bernie Sanders playing his music at his rallies. He feels Sanders wants to build something not destroy it. In other words, Paul Simon doesn't find MAGA amusing.

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This feeling that "building" rather than "destroying" is the only path to peace is a bunch of liberal nonsense caused by their fear of appearing to be heartless and evil. The Civil War turned around in favor of the Union Army when Generals who had a reputation for being heartless butchers, Grant and Sherman, took charge of killing slave owners and burning down plantation mansions. WWII was not won with clever maneuvers and precision bombing minimizing enemy casualties. The war was won by massively killing Germans and dropping nukes on civilians. Even in 2025, goodness cannot win over evil without killing Nazis. Expecting gentle words of persuasion to call Nazis back to sanity is a guarantee that Nazis will win.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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