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Friday, August 29, 2025 7:14 PM

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Appeals court finds Trump's tariffs illegally used emergency power.

Trump shrugged and continues to collect tariffs. If you don't like it, appeal to the Supreme Court, where the Republican justices don't care what the law says.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/appeals-court-finds-trump-sweeping
-214716061.html

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Friday, August 29, 2025 7:59 PM

THG

Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:39 PM _ I posted, "I am an independent myself."


Now there's a kick in the teeth. Yup, I feel the winds shifting. I posted this and just saw your post above SECOND. Still, very good news.

T

BREAKING: Trump tariffs found ILLEGAL by U.S. appeals court



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Friday, August 29, 2025 8:38 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Now there's a kick in the teeth. Yup, I feel the winds shifting. I posted this and just saw your post above SECOND. Still, very good news.
The Appeals Court told Trump in the nicest possible way to eat shit and die. From page 30 of the decision:

Taken together, these other statutes indicate that whenever Congress intends to delegate to the President the authority to impose tariffs, it does so explicitly, either by using unequivocal terms like tariff and duty, or via an overall structure which makes clear that Congress is referring to tariffs. This is no surprise, as the core Congressional power to impose taxes such as tariffs is vested exclusively in the legislative branch by the Constitution; when Congress delegates this power in the first instance, it does so clearly and unambiguously.

To be clear, we cite legislative history as additional support for the conclusion we reach based on the statutory text alone. Even without this legislative history, we would reach the same conclusion. [which is that Trump is a goddamn asshole]

(“Taxation is a legislative function, and Congress . . . is the sole organ for levying taxes . . . . It would be . . . a sharp break with our traditions to conclude that Congress had bestowed on [the executive branch] the taxing power.”).

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cafc.23105/gov.us
courts.cafc.23105.159.0_1.pdf

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, August 29, 2025 9:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Now there's a kick in the teeth. Yup, I feel the winds shifting. I posted this and just saw your post above SECOND. Still, very good news.
The Appeals Court told Trump in the nicest possible way to eat shit and die.


Cool. We'll bring it to SCOTUS where it will be the law of the land going forward.

Keep playing flag football and celebrating your meaningless wins and doing our work for us, you simple minded fools.

Eventually you'll learn....

Maybe.



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Friday, August 29, 2025 9:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Appointing Tulsi Gabbard as head of ODNI is probably one of Trump's better moves.

GO GET 'EM, TULSI!

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TULSI GABBARD vs CIA CAGE MATCH

If there is one key takeaway from what you are about to read, it would be this. DNI Tulsi Gabbard needs our support. DNI Gabbard is working deep within a massive silo system that manufacturers the illusion of isolation as a strategy to protect itself.

“There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things.” Tulsi Gabbard and her team need to hear, see and feel our support.

Yesterday, the CIA Directorate of Analysis purposefully framed a hit against the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) by leaking a manufactured story that DNI Tulsi Gabbard had exposed an “undercover” agent when she removed the security clearances of 37 former and current intelligence embeds.
The problem, not really undercover.

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In reality, the CIA attempted to block Tulsi Gabbard from exposing how the CIA manipulated the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment claiming Russian interference in the 2016 election. Ms. Julia Gurganus was the CIA analyst who organized the ICA.

As Tulsi Gabbard began to drill down onto the issue, and as the current CIA analysts within the former National Intelligence Council (NIC) and CIA Directorate of Analysis began to notice she was going to reveal the fraud, the CIA embeds changed the status of Julia Gurganus in June in an effort to protect her.

The CIA changed the status of Julia Gurganus in June, reclassifying her as ‘covert’ specifically because the ODNI’s public statements of intent to reveal the fraud within the 2016 Russia election investigation. This, they schemed, would stop DNI Gabbard from exposing Gurganus and taking action.

The CIA scheme didn’t work. DNI Gabbard declassified and released the CIA work product, and then later removed Gurganus security clearance. The CIA embeds at the directorate of analysis were furious and leaked the false story to the Wall Street Journal using the familiar ploy that has worked for them in the past.

By calling Julia Gurganus an active and covert CIA operative, the scheme team within the directorate knew Gabbard would be unable to defend herself publicly. Discussing the identity of an active/covert CIA operative is against the law. The CIA weaponized the law within their attack against the ODNI; leaking a false story they knew Tulsi couldn’t defend against.

However, we the people are not stupid. It did not take long to figure out the identity of the asset from the curriculum vitae used in the Wall Street Journal story, and from that point it was clear Julia Gurganus was NOT previously a covert CIA operative. Gurganus was public in her position within the CIA; public, until the CIA changed her status in June.

This is ultimately an example of the weaponized intelligence system DNI Gabbard is fighting against.

The current actions by the directorate of analysis inside the CIA is also an example of why DNI Gabbard removed the National Intelligence Council from the agency, fired Chairman Mike Collins (friend of Mike Morrell) and Deputy Chair Maria Langan-Riekhof, and also took control over the Presidential Daily Briefing material the fraudsters were in control of.

Remember, by design the CIA is a one-way information system. Information (intelligence) goes into the agency, the black hole where things can be linguistically modified and shaped to fit a particular viewpoint, yet there is no substantive mechanism for the CIA head to challenge the outflow of information if it is fraudulent.

The intel bureaucrats run the machinery, and if the boss does something they don’t like they leak to the media.

Silos exist, like the NIC or directorate of analysis, within the larger silo of the CIA. DNI Tulsi Gabbard is taking the lid off these sub-silos and exposing the activity that takes place within them. Cochroaches cower and run from sunlight.

The awesome thing about what they tried yesterday was a factual reveal to the American public that CIA operations are also domestic in nature. Most people believe the Schoolhouse Rock construct of government where the CIA is not allowed to operate domestically. The story surrounding Julia Gurganus active and covert status completely eviscerates that perspective.

If covert CIA operatives are not permitted to engage in domestic governance, then why was covert CIA agent Julia Gurganus operating in government? The shield the CIA attempted to deploy becomes a weapon for us to expose their fraud.

As this battle continues, and make no mistake this battle will continue, we will closely support the efforts of DNI Tulsi Gabbard to bring the weaponized IC to heel. Gabbard is the truth warrior we need and the Deep State is not happy about it.



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Friday, August 29, 2025 9:43 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Now there's a kick in the teeth. Yup, I feel the winds shifting. I posted this and just saw your post above SECOND. Still, very good news.
The Appeals Court told Trump in the nicest possible way to eat shit and die.


Cool. We'll bring it to SCOTUS where it will be the law of the land going forward.

Keep playing flag football and celebrating your meaningless wins and doing our work for us, you simple minded fools.

Eventually you'll learn....

Maybe.
From page 36 of the Appeal Court's decision: If the Trumptards on the Supreme Court declare that taxes (including tariffs) are no longer set by Congress, but by the President, there will be the first assassinations of Supreme Court justices. 6ixStringJack, even you can understand that the invocation of IEEPA to impose tariffs on nearly every country in the world is undoubtedly a significant departure from these previous invocations. This ‘lack of historical precedent,’ coupled with the breadth of authority that the Government now claims may be a ‘telling indication’ that the Government’s reading of a statute is incorrect.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cafc.23105/gov.us
courts.cafc.23105.159.0_1.pdf

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, August 29, 2025 9:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Now there's a kick in the teeth. Yup, I feel the winds shifting. I posted this and just saw your post above SECOND. Still, very good news.
The Appeals Court told Trump in the nicest possible way to eat shit and die.


Cool. We'll bring it to SCOTUS where it will be the law of the land going forward.

Keep playing flag football and celebrating your meaningless wins and doing our work for us, you simple minded fools.

Eventually you'll learn....

Maybe.
From page 36 of the Appeal Court's decision: If the Trumptards on the Supreme Court declare that taxes (including tariffs) are no longer set by Congress, but by the President, there will be the first assassinations of Supreme Court justices. 6ixStringJack, even you can understand that the invocation of IEEPA to impose tariffs on nearly every country in the world is undoubtedly a significant departure from these previous invocations. This ‘lack of historical precedent,’ coupled with the breadth of authority that the Government now claims may be a ‘telling indication’ that the Government’s reading of a statute is incorrect.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cafc.23105/gov.us
courts.cafc.23105.159.0_1.pdf

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two




Shut up, you dumb cunt. I already shut this down in the court thread. Neither of you two headline reading dipshits bothered to actually read any of the articles.


From the Court thread here: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63349&mid=12266
52#1226652

Haha!

Been busy all day so I didn't have time to check the news or deal with you two fags...


You didn't win ANYTHING here, idiots.

CNN: Appeals Court Strikes Down Tariffs as Illegal But Leaves Them in Place

https://archive.ph/8XQhP

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A federal appeals court Friday struck down many of President Donald Trump’s historic tariffs, saying he unlawfully leaned on emergency powers to impose the import taxes.

The International Emergency Economic Powers Act does not authorize tariffs like the ones Trump used the law for earlier this year, the Federal Circuit said in an unsigned opinion upholding a lower-court ruling against Trump’s tariffs.

The judges noted that Trump’s unprecedented tariffs are an overstep of his power because the ability to impose taxes, including tariffs, is “a core Congressional power” that the Constitution grants to the legislative branch.

The tariffs remain in place for now, after the court delayed implementation of its order until October. That gives the Trump administration time to file an appeal with the Supreme Court.


First of all, none of these pussy activist judges even had the balls enough to sign it and put their names on it.

Second, they know it's going right to the Supreme Court where you'll be shut down again, so they didn't even try to stop the tariffs from being implemented.

Just more whining from your dead party and more headline clickbait for you Legacy Media addicted retards.


We don't even have to wait for this one to go to SCOTUS, stupid. You already lost.

If you weren't a stupid fucking headline reader and you actually read your articles, you would have saved yourself the embarrassment of posting another self-own on not one, but three separate threads today.

You are so fucking dumb, it's honestly shocking at this point.






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Friday, August 29, 2025 10:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Oh... and in the business, that's what we call a "Half Measure".

"It's illegal!", but we're not going to stop it...

"It's illegal!", but not a single one of us has the balls to put our signature on it.



All your dying party has left under its sleeves is Half Measures...

Because the Democratic Party has been de-fanged and now it's in the process of being systematically destroyed.

And every single time one of you idiot activists try to do anything about it, all you're doing is helping destroy it just a little bit quicker. Because now ALL of the normies are paying attention. And they don't like anything they see coming from the Left. And those who were too scared to stand up and say anything about it for the last 20 years are all crawling out of the woodwork to finally speak their peace, because there are finally enough people like me who never stood by and shut up out of fear.

All you are now is defeated losers, kneeling in the dirt with shit in your pants.



How does it feel?

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Saturday, August 30, 2025 6:15 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Oh... and in the business, that's what we call a "Half Measure".

"It's illegal!", but we're not going to stop it...

"It's illegal!", but not a single one of us has the balls to put our signature on it.



All your dying party has left under its sleeves is Half Measures...

Because the Democratic Party has been de-fanged and now it's in the process of being systematically destroyed.

And every single time one of you idiot activists try to do anything about it, all you're doing is helping destroy it just a little bit quicker. Because now ALL of the normies are paying attention. And they don't like anything they see coming from the Left. And those who were too scared to stand up and say anything about it for the last 20 years are all crawling out of the woodwork to finally speak their peace, because there are finally enough people like me who never stood by and shut up out of fear.

All you are now is defeated losers, kneeling in the dirt with shit in your pants.
Do you have any decency, 6ix? Your answer has always been "No!"

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, August 30, 2025 6:31 AM

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There was a line that the President's declaration of emergency cannot be reviewed by courts:

Regarding the national emergency, the NEA provides no substantive standards for what may be declared a national emergency, and consistent with that absence of standards, such a declaration itself is likely unreviewable. [That was obviously written by a Trumptard lawyer.]

Page 119 of https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cafc.23105/gov.us
courts.cafc.23105.159.0_1.pdf

The whole decision is fight between "Is it an emergency?" or "Maybe it isn't?"

The entire conflict between Libtards and Trumptards on every subject is about the same two questions, over and over.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, August 30, 2025 10:59 AM

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Trump argued when he unveiled his global tariffs that a trade imbalance was harmful to US national security, and was therefore a national emergency.

What happens next after Trump tariffs ruled illegal?

By Johanna Chisholm | August 30, 2025

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy983g8jr5do

*************

Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Declares National Emergency to Increase our Competitive Edge, Protect our Sovereignty, and Strengthen our National and Economic Security

The White House | April 2, 2025

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-president-do
nald-j-trump-declares-national-emergency-to-increase-our-competitive-edge-protect-our-sovereignty-and-strengthen-our-national-and-economic-security/

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Saturday, August 30, 2025 1:16 PM

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Where did Trump get his ideas about tariffs? The Times of India has been reading White House advisor Peter Navarros' books to learn why tariffs are 50% on India. Navarros also blames India for the Russia-Ukraine War.

More at http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/123596249.cms

Navarros has a new book coming called I Went to Prison So You Won't Have To: A Love and Lawfare Story in Trump Land. The book is scheduled for release on September 16, 2025.

When senior Trump White House advisor Peter Navarro refused to kneel before the Democrats’ rigged J6 witch hunt, they came for him with guns and handcuffs. Ambushed by five armed FBI agents at Reagan airport, shackled in leg irons, and strip-searched, Navarro became the first ever top presidential aide in US history to be put in federal prison for defending the Constitution.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, August 30, 2025 1:30 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Oh... and in the business, that's what we call a "Half Measure".

"It's illegal!", but we're not going to stop it...

"It's illegal!", but not a single one of us has the balls to put our signature on it.



All your dying party has left under its sleeves is Half Measures...

Because the Democratic Party has been de-fanged and now it's in the process of being systematically destroyed.

And every single time one of you idiot activists try to do anything about it, all you're doing is helping destroy it just a little bit quicker. Because now ALL of the normies are paying attention. And they don't like anything they see coming from the Left. And those who were too scared to stand up and say anything about it for the last 20 years are all crawling out of the woodwork to finally speak their peace, because there are finally enough people like me who never stood by and shut up out of fear.

All you are now is defeated losers, kneeling in the dirt with shit in your pants.
Do you have any decency, 6ix? Your answer has always been "No!"

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Ah.... Bargaining.

Looks like you've made it to the 3rd stage of grief.

Not going to work, I'm afraid.

Let me tell you, stage 4 is a bitch.

Good luck making it to Acceptance.

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Saturday, August 30, 2025 2:18 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Ah.... Bargaining.

Looks like you've made it to the 3rd stage of grief.

Not going to work, I'm afraid.

Let me tell you, stage 4 is a bitch.

Good luck making it to Acceptance.
You pasted a video from Breaking Bad. Both those characters die stupid and disgusting deaths because of the way they lived. That is Trump's future and yours.

These two factors — and no others — will lead to Trump's defeat

By Jason Miciak | August 30, 2025

https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/trump-age-2673924798/

Despite the inarguably awful actions this administration has taken during its first eight months in office, Donald Trump remains largely impervious in the polls — low to be sure but hardly politically threatening, right in his zone. This despite taking some of the most unpopular and undemocratic actions in generations.

Yes, for a brief period, during his first week or two in office, he peaked above a 50 percent approval rating. But since then he has gracefully found the glideslope to his comfort zone, anywhere from 42-46 percent aggregate approval, 50-53 percent disapproval.

Even given the number of unpopular decisions that he has made — DOGE cuts to essential services, masked mauraders kidnapping the innocent, hiding the Epstein files, tariffs, health care cuts — the dynamic remains the same. There is almost nothing the man can do to fall into dangerous, sub-38 percent approval.

But there is are two elements on the horizon, one that likely shouldn't play a huge role but does, another that always does.

First: there are exploding questions about his health.

Is there any there "there?" Seems so. Looks matter, especially within cults of personality. Trump's age — 79 now — matters in the polls.

Much of Trump's mystique among MAGA revolves around his seeming indestructibility, whether concerning his wealth, litigation against him (meagre attempts at criminal accountability, throwing out the award in a major New York civil case), or just his simple, unpleasant aggression.

The dynamic can even seep over to political independents, who see Trump as at least "doing something" and doing it well for himself. It must be working, some think. This is his real superpower.

So indications that Trump's health may be teetering pose a major threat to the perception of invincibility. It's important. If he ever loses the "cape," it is all but impossible to get it back.

Both hands now show severe bruising. Fattened ankles have led — finally — to the admission that he does have some cardiovascular disease, whether just venous insufficiency or something more. There is the swinging gait that comes and goes. And there does seem to be a greater propensity to simply meander from topic to topic, on an ever-looser tether to linear thought.

He also just looks old: see pictures from the Oval Office meeting last Friday. Trump may never have looked worse.

The thing about cults is that the leader is absolutely invulnerable, the hold on people impermeable, right up until they are not. Once a leak springs, it is impossible to hold water back.

Yes, it is utterly infuriating that there has been so little pushback against troops in cities, threats to former allies, cutting Medicaid, the racism, the "cruelty as the point," and even the Epstein files, which will now never amount to anything, a "Democratic hoax," unless several victims come forward with direct knowledge of Trump's actions, and they don't seem to be in a hurry.

But it doesn't appear that any of the above can puncture Trump. Anyone in doubt needs to revisit the polls that refuse to move or simply spend a half-hour on X. Nothing has changed, except Trump's acceleration in his push to fascism.

In a post-truth America, where Trump can claim 70 percent approval rating with a straight face, dismiss a mediocre jobs report with a termination and declaration the numbers are fixed, make baseless claims to being the "hottest country in the world," claim crime as a national emergency and only himself as the savior, Trump's opponents are left searching for a leveling truth.

Enter the appearance of diminishing health.

Whatever is going on with his hands, it cannot be hidden. Whatever it is about his ankles, it cannot easily be cured. The doddering goes way back, but it means more now after all the attacks on Joe Biden.

It's a fact that Trump is getting older and appears to be getting worse. The best his followers can do is write it off to simply aging. Precisely. It leaves them uneasy, seeing Trump vulnerable for perhaps the first time — that being time itself.

And then there's the other wild card — the economy.

Inflation is just getting going. But in the same way it is impossible to hide a black spot on the back of a hand or slurred words going nowhere, no makeup can cover a bag of potato chips over $5, beef approaching $20 a pound for a decent cut and getting higher, along with other goods rising and rent to pay — all without any commensurate increase in pay.

Put the two undeniables together, Trump's health and his sickening economy, and there are two paths to sinking Trump to polling levels that will leave him and the GOP extremely vulnerable in 2026.

The country is largely unmoved by troops invading cities, masked men kidnapping working undocumented migrants (and some Americans) off the streets, stolen legislative seats, threats to the vote.

All of it screams fascism, but all of it has too many people simply yawning.

Anyone doubting that Trump acutely feels the vulnerability need only look at his responses to his major problems: hiding the hand, firing people over numbers, the constant and humiliating talk about the country being "hot.” And yet too many simply don't care. His supporters rely on him for entertainment and have their own lives to worry about. The marauding menace in Washington D.C. does little more than appear on screens as an owning of the libs, which is what he was hired for.

Nothing touches the man … except for indications that he's weaker, going downhill, unable to fight like he once did. That and chips, for $5.50.

It's the little things, things that don't have to make sense.

Trump won't get younger. Energy prices show no sign of going down. Chips and bread seem destined to jump. He promised to reverse such trends but he threw gas on the fire with tariffs. It isn't turning around.

Cults are invulnerable until they're not. The things that make them teeter don't have to make any sense. Watch these developments. They just might work, which might be enough.

Keep an eye out for black and blue hands, puffy eyes and swollen ankles. And prices on chips and sirloin.

Two small pins, sharp enough to pop the balloon. He knows it.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, August 30, 2025 2:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by SECOND:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Ah.... Bargaining.

Looks like you've made it to the 3rd stage of grief.

Not going to work, I'm afraid.

Let me tell you, stage 4 is a bitch.

Good luck making it to Acceptance.
You pasted a video from Breaking Bad. Both those characters die stupid and disgusting deaths because of the way they lived. That is Trump's future and yours.


Another childish response from our resident bully.



I'm not kidding about Stage 4 though. That one is a real bitch.

Hope you've got good healthcare, because I already know that you don't possess either the mental nor the spiritual fortitude to get through it on your own and make it to Stage 5.

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Saturday, August 30, 2025 2:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


And don't bother even reading any articles talking about Trump's approval rating.

Not when Joe Biden*'s looked like this for 4 years.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rat
ing


On August 30th, 2021, Joe Biden fell to -1.9 and never saw a positive approval rating again. This was a precipitous fall from the alleged 19.5+ approval rating he started off with on inauguration day. Light years beyond the 6.2+ approval rating that Trump started off his Inauguration Day with.

For those not keeping score or who don't understand how graphs or basic math works
(i.e.: Democrats), here's the breakdown on that:

Trump started with 6.2+ and is now at -5.0 in the aggregate. That's an 11.2 point drop. 4 years ago, Joe Biden* fell from 19.5+ to -1.9, which is a -21.4 point drop... nearly twice the drop that Trump has seen in the same time-frame.

By October 11th, 2021, Joe Biden fell to -9.5.

December 14th-17th, 2021 was the last time that Joe Biden was doing better than -7 for the rest of his Presidency.

Joe Biden*'s average approval spread for 2022 was -12.9. For 2023 it was -11.7. And for 2024 it was -15.7.

And then, of course, you lost every single swing state, you lost the Popular Vote by over 2.5 Million votes and you got to see Donald Trump become President again, just like I told you for years was going to happen.



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Trumpism and the Exhilaration of Incoherence

Posted on Monday, Sep 7, 2020 1:55AM by Varun Gauri

by Varun Gauri

https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2020/09/trumpism-and-the-exhilar
ation-of-incoherence.html

“The line of ‘Make America great again,’ the phrase, that was mine, I came up with it about a year ago, and I kept using it, and everybody’s using it, they are all loving it. I don’t know, I guess I should copyright it, maybe I have copyrighted it.”

The style and rhetoric of the Trump era appears to be historically unique, the result of the narrow and unexpected electoral victory of a man who honed his skills performing as a reality TV idiot savant. But I believe that the rhetorical style of Trumpism — nonsense, incoherence, giving truth the middle finger — will outlast Trump.

When people say that Trumpism will outlive Trump, they usually refer to the political economy. Typically, they mean that trade shocks and the integration of China into the World Trade Organization caused unemployment and anger in the American heartland that has not yet been adequately addressed, that rising levels of immigration and the coming emergence of America as a majority-minority nation evoke nostalgia and a politics of resentment, or that the political alliance between plutocrats and populists has proven durable. All that may be true. But I think that it is not only the structural forces that are likely to endure, but also the trappings of Trumpism, what we think of as its ephemera — the circus atmosphere, the sensation that up is down, the experience of having fallen through the looking glass.

To understand the appeal of rhetorical Trumpism, first consider a few stylized facts. First, as Ezra Klein has argued, Trump’s poll numbers are amazingly stable. Despite the loss of more than 180,000 Americans to Covid-19, an unemployment rate over 8%, and rising racial tensions, Trump’s approval rating hardly moved, from 41% in late to 2019 to 42% today. His support is only loosely tied to facts on the ground. In retrospect, Trump exhibited a preternatural understanding of his followers when he said that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose one voter.

Second, nor is Trump’s appeal about his policy goals. It’s not as as if the administration has set out a series of appealing policy initiatives, only to be frustrated by checks and balances or federalism. There are barely any policy goals to speak of. Almost nothing to address the major challenges such as climate change, domestic income and wealth inequality, racial justice, and the rise of China as a global power. Apart from appointing conservative Supreme Court Justices skeptical of abortion rights, there are hardly any policies even on the agenda that carried Trump in 2016, including comprehensive immigration reform, the opioid crisis, and urban violence. Instead, what we see is theater for xenophobes — a feckless wall at the southern border, smatterings of federal law enforcement that sometimes show up at largely peaceful demonstrations in cities.

Third, Republican partisans appear to support an idealized version of the man. Despite Trump’s notorious cable TV watching habits and frequent golf trips, 66% of Republicans believe him to be a “harder worker” than any president in history. Despite the barrage of lies and millions in federal tax dollars directed to his own business interests, 72% believe him to be “honest and trustworthy.” Despite not appearing to know how World War 1 ended or who Frederick Douglass was, and advocating bleach and other quack cures for covid, 77% believe he understands “complex issues.”

It’s as if support for Trump is the coat of arms for his coalition. Republican partisans support each other supporting Trump, whatever they think of Trump himself. They recognize each other and constitute a group through their Trump support. They support the idea of Trump. He’s the flag around which they rally.

How does this work? Larry Bartel’s recent survey of Republican partisans is revealing. It finds that anti-democratic attitudes among Republicans (e.g., using force to save a traditional way of life) are strongly correlated with ethnic antagonism; they are much more weakly correlated with political cynicism, partisanship, cultural conservatism, and even affection for Trump himself. In other words, support for the norm busting of Trumpism is less about the man himself and more about the ethnic advancement, and the identity, of the group supportive of norm busting.

Like support for a military coup, the rhetorical style of Trumpism, whose salient aspects are a flaunting disregard for facts and truth, even the exhilaration of incoherence, is a form of norm busting. It is an attack on standard forms of discourse. It is also an implicit attack on the function of key institutions, including the scientific establishment (which identifies facts), the media (which filters facts), and the political parties (which translate facts into policies).

The pleasures of this kind of norm busting, provocative incoherence, are the pleasures of trolling. Incoherent provocation leads supporters of traditional norms to become indignant, and squander energy trying to make sense of contradictory and truth-free statements. It’s delicious to see defenders of key institutions (like me) get their knickers in a twist. It’s fun, a minor form of sadism, to “own the libs.”

Why do proponents of provocative incoherence also tend to be the foot soldiers of ethnic antagonism? I believe the answer lies in the difference between the Democratic and Republican coalitions. Democrats are relatively diverse, consisting of Blacks, Hispanics, college-educated Whites, White women, Asians, and Jews, among others. Given its diversity, the Democratic coalition needs language — principles, arguments, narratives — to help the constitutive groups understand each other and their objectives. There are references to external, historical markers — the New Deal, Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement, the language of multiculturalism.

By contrast, the Republican coalition is more homogenous, consisting mostly of White Christians. Because Republicans recognize each other more easily, the coordinating focal points of the coalition can be looser, more symbolic. They don’t need as much semantic content.

The rhetorical style of Trumpism shows that the coordinating focal points for the Republican coalition can even be devoid of semantic content. Trumpian Republicans recognize each other, and constitute themselves as a group, when they troll the outsiders by flaunting incoherence. Those actions are also a power play — the demonstration that coordination is laughably easy; coherence and language and messaging are superfluous.

It has long been understood that there is a psychic payoff to coordination without discourse; the use of symbolic rituals, as Durkheim described, can create collective effervescence and a sense of group belonging. But what is happening here is not only coordination without discourse but coordination against discourse. Republican partisans are demonstrating that power does not arise from discussion; it arises merely from will and mutual recognition. Political power is that easy for us, the trolls seems to say. We know ourselves, even without words. Try matching that, you gibbering, Tower of Babel multitudes.

The Republican coalition has long struggled to overcome elements of incoherence in its ideology, though perhaps no more than the average large-scale political coalition — the support for small government sits uneasily with a massive military as well as with the religious regulation of private life. But what we are witnessing now is qualitatively different. Although there may be continuities with the history of anti-scientific positions in the party, current events have the quality of a self-conscious political discovery. That is why I believe the exhilaration of incoherence will remain significant in Republican discourse.

Trumpism has shown that a largely homogenous group in the United States can coordinate, and recognize itself as a political actor, by flaunting incoherence. Trump’s successor may or may not be performer, a reality TV personality more interested in showmanship than policy. But because this approach is relatively inexpensive (a leader doesn’t need to invest in learning policy or persuading people about their positions), democratic (anyone can troll), and pleasurable for supporters, the next Republican leader will be tempted to use the rhetorical style of Trumpism, or face challengers who do. Flaunting incoherence is fun, fast, and cheap, and its mechanism intuitive — it’s the white identity, stupid.

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Last year, the IRS launched Direct File, a popular government tool that would let Americans file their taxes for free. IRS data from the 2025 filing season found that “94% of taxpayers rated their experience with the tool as ‘excellent’ or ‘above average.’ ”

NOW, Trump’s IRS has announced that it’s ending this efficient and popular program.

https://actionnetwork.org/letters/tell-congress-save-taxpayers-billion
s-codify-direct-file

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Shut up, faggot.

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Shut up, faggot.

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From the TAGLOG on the front page http://fireflyfans.net/main.aspx?i=0

6ixStringJack: I suppose that is how it would look to a simple mind who only thinks in political cartoons and headlines.

6ixStringJack: Remind me how much your party loves Jews again, by the way. Don't bring Jews into this argument Ted. That's a huge loser for your party right now.

6ixStringJack: Yes. You do. Look at any college campus and how much they hate Jews. They're all yours.

6ixStringJack: And at the end of the day, we only have one minority still here in the RWED today, and she knows that you're a piece of shit, especially after you attacked her not once, but twice for not abiding your ultimatum. How dare she not take the side of the mindless, virtue signalling, pathetic white boy who has no personality of his own and nothing interesting to talk about?

6ixStringJack: What you don't understand is that she has at least 20 IQ points on you, if not 50 or more. You're a drone on autopilot, and your brain has atrophied for so long it's useless.

6ixStringJack: And stop pretending to be Independent. You are far too stupid to be Independent and everyone knows it. You are the person who goes into the voting booth and hits the button for Straight Democrat without even knowing who you're voting for on any level under President. I bet you've never voted in a Primary in your life too. It's also extremely unlikely you've ever voted even in a Midterm General election.

6ixStringJack is a distillation of everything wrong with Trumptards, but put into words. I can see why he is angry at the country. It is because of the way his mind works.

My next door neighbor, a Trumptard, needed to replace his Cadillac Escalade Fuel Pump Control Module but he didn't understand how to trouble shoot problems. Wasting weeks of his time, he replaced everything (battery, fuses, the pump in fuel tank) EXCEPT the module, and yet the engine still won't run. And he won't listen. I bought the module, plugged it into the wiring harness, the engine starts. He then expected me to remove the 3 bolts holding the old module and insert the new module. He got mad that I left part of the job for him. Trumptards struggle in America because their minds are defective. He was absolutely convinced that all the other parts he replaced were also defective. That if he hadn't replaced those parts, the engine won't have started. Trumptards' minds are unsound. The Trumptard had further reason to be angry because I bought the part on line, paying one seventh of the Cadillac dealer price. The Trumptard wanted all new parts on his Cadillac, which makes me the villain for not going to the dealership. Trumptards are such pains in the ass.

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6IXSTRINGJACK


Shut up, faggot.

Worry about your dead party.


Meanwhile, I'll revel in the fact that I've had a prediction rate in the high 90's for the last year and everything you say is going to happen never happens.

I don't hate the country. Americans hate Democrats. You should all be deported to CeCot.



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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Shut up, faggot.

Worry about your dead party.


Meanwhile, I'll revel in the fact that I've had a prediction rate in the high 90's for the last year and everything you say is going to happen never happens.

I don't hate the country. Americans hate Democrats. You should all be deported to CeCot.



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6ix, what else have you been doing this morning, other than congratulating yourself for your brilliant predictions?

You posted the usual hateful and stupid comment over here http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?rbid=18&tid=64887&mid=1226
711#1226711 : "Fuck Ukraine. Nobody cares."

That is not much accomplishment. I fixed the next door Trumptard's Cadillac, but not up to his lofty standards. See the above story. Trumptards, in my experience, are hateful and stupid, which makes it obvious why they struggle in America. But not obvious enough for them to understand, no more than they understand their Cadillac's malfunction.

I should mention that the Trumptard next door didn't want to pay as much as $3,000 to get his Cadillac towed and diagnosed at the dealership, so in his excess confidence, he would fix it himself. He has many cars, much money, but he makes that money by cheating people.

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


This demonstrates Dem boneheadedness

Quote:
To understand the appeal of rhetorical Trumpism, first consider a few stylized facts. First, as Ezra Klein has argued, Trump’s poll numbers are amazingly stable. Despite the loss of more than 180,000 Americans to Covid-19, an unemployment rate over 8%, and rising racial tensions, Trump’s approval rating hardly moved, from 41% in late to 2019 to 42% today. His support is only loosely tied to facts on the ground. In retrospect, Trump exhibited a preternatural understanding of his followers when he said that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose one voter.
Yes, "Why is that?" you should be asking yourselves. The answer is in the following paragraph ....

Quote:
Second, nor is Trump’s appeal about his policy goals. It’s not as as if the administration has set out a series of appealing policy initiatives, only to be frustrated by checks and balances or federalism. There are barely any policy goals to speak of. Almost nothing to address the major challenges such as climate change, domestic income and wealth inequality, racial justice, and the rise of China as a global power. Apart from appointing conservative Supreme Court Justices skeptical of abortion rights, there are hardly any policies even on the agenda that carried Trump in 2016, including comprehensive immigration reform, the opioid crisis, and urban violence. Instead, what we see is theater for xenophobes — a feckless wall at the southern border, smatterings of federal law enforcement that sometimes show up at largely peaceful demonstrations in cities.


This reminds me of those utterly stupid Dem push polls, which I faithfully fill out every election cycle, where I'm asked to rank my priorities out of a dozen or so choices.

NOT A SINGLE DEM PRIORITY RANKS IN MY TOP THREE.

SECOND, what the DNC wants me to want, and what I REALLY want, are totally disconnected. I have to make liberal use of the space for "other", and squeeze my thoughts in teeny tiny letters year after year bc the DNC INSISTS that I never think outside of their tiny "liberal" box, year after year.

And that utter inflated sense of superiority that they -and you- demonstrate, will absolutely insure Dem political death.

Your inability... disability, really, a sign of stuck brain ... to find a SINGLE POST without either "Trump" or "Russia" in it, means that you are incapable of a single positive thought and incapable of fronting a winning, positive candidate.

Trump will not be a problem 3 years from now. So where does all that anti-Trump messaging go? What did all that anti-Trump energy get you? The only thing the DNC will be able to do is pivot to a new "enemy", spew more hysterical froth and bullshit, engineer another "crisis", turn off more people.

Are you really incapable of thinking even 3 years ahead?

It seems so.



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Why did Trump set tariffs to 50% for India? Peter Navarro is why.

Who is Peter Navarro? Meet the Trump advisor who blames New Delhi for Russia-Ukraine war

By Nirmalya Dutta TIMESOFINDIA.COM / Updated:Aug 30, 2025, 16:53 IST

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/who-is-peter-navarro-meet
-the-trump-advisor-who-blames-new-delhi-for-russia-ukraine-war/articleshow/123596249.cms

Like most members of the current Trump administration, the key to understanding Navarro is through a book. Kash Patel has his legal-thriller-style memoir. Navarro’s is more melodrama. I Went to Prison So You Won’t Have To: A Love and Lawfare Story in Trump Land, set for release in September 2025, co-written with his fiancée Bonnie “Pixie” Brenner and featuring a foreword by Steve Bannon, is pitched as part prison diary, part love story, and part political tract.

Peter is a principal character in the Judeo-Christian ethos of the Western world and the accompanying mass media. Peter was chosen by Jesus to spread the gospel. Peter Pan is the symbol of everlasting youth. Peter Parker, at least in modern imagination, is the harbinger of great responsibility with great power. Peter Griffin, the protagonist of Family Guy is the perfect example of confused American socio-politics.

And now we have a new Peter in the mix: Peter Navarro, Donald Trump’s advisor who has been going hammer-and-tongs after New Delhi, labelling India an “oil money laundromat for the Kremlin” with all the hallmarks of Trumpian diplomacy: Twitter threads, AI-generated images, casual racism, and specious arguments that would antagonise economists and geopolitical pundits.

In his recent gusto, Navarro has gone so far as to claim that the Russia-Ukraine war is “Modi’s war” and that the “road to peace, at least partially, runs through New Delhi,” which will surely make some commentators to channel their inner Peter Dinklage (the actor who played Tyrion Lannister) to think internally: “I wish I was the monster you think I am.”

While Navarro’s remarks have drawn criticism both from US policy circles and international analysts, and even contradict the findings of the US Congressional Research Service, the gusto fits a familiar pattern: a career built on combative rhetoric, populist nationalism, and relentless positioning as Trump’s most zealous defender against perceived enemies at home and abroad.

Much more at https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/who-is-peter-navarro-meet
-the-trump-advisor-who-blames-new-delhi-for-russia-ukraine-war/articleshow/123596249.cms

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Trump will not be a problem 3 years from now. So where does all that anti-Trump messaging go? What did all that anti-Trump energy get you? The only thing the DNC will be able to do is pivot to a new "enemy", spew more hysterical froth and bullshit, engineer another "crisis", turn off more people.

Are you really incapable of thinking even 3 years ahead?

It seems so.
I will probably never make it clear enough, but I am opposed to "Trumptards" as a group. Trump got elected because his life and words appeal to the Trumptards among us. Once Trump is dead, the Trumptards will quickly find somebody as diseased, but less obnoxious and stupid, to be their new leader.

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Sunday, August 31, 2025 2:10 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Trump will not be a problem 3 years from now. So where does all that anti-Trump messaging go? What did all that anti-Trump energy get you? The only thing the DNC will be able to do is pivot to a new "enemy", spew more hysterical froth and bullshit, engineer another "crisis", turn off more people.

Are you really incapable of thinking even 3 years ahead?

It seems so.
I will probably never make it clear enough, but I am opposed to "Trumptards" as a group. Trump got elected because his life and words appeal to the Trumptards among us. Once Trump is dead, the Trumptards will quickly find somebody as diseased, but less obnoxious and stupid, to be their new leader.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



The cult will always find an enemy.

The cult no longer matters though.

The cult is dead.

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Sunday, August 31, 2025 2:12 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Shut up, faggot.

Worry about your dead party.


Meanwhile, I'll revel in the fact that I've had a prediction rate in the high 90's for the last year and everything you say is going to happen never happens.

I don't hate the country. Americans hate Democrats. You should all be deported to CeCot.



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6ix, what else have you been doing this morning, other than congratulating yourself for your brilliant predictions?


That's more than enough before my first cup of coffee.

You're so pathetic. This is all you have left, scrub.

You've been neutered bitch. How does it feel?



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Sunday, August 31, 2025 2:16 PM

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Oh, right...

You forgot that I outed this Leftist cunt for more of his clickbait:

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=67034


Where is David Pakman going to get that $8k per month from to keep lying? The reminants of USAid? In some billions that the Joe Biden* administration hid away for things like this that DOGE didn't find? George Soros' kid? Russia even, perhaps?

I hope he saves that money and he can get his hypotelorism surgically fixed.

I've heard of a unibrow before, but dude is one step away from being Cyclops.



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SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Trump will not be a problem 3 years from now. So where does all that anti-Trump messaging go? What did all that anti-Trump energy get you? The only thing the DNC will be able to do is pivot to a new "enemy", spew more hysterical froth and bullshit, engineer another "crisis", turn off more people.
Are you really incapable of thinking even 3 years ahead?
It seems so.

SECOND
I will probably never make it clear enough, but I am opposed to "Trumptards" as a group. Trump got elected because his life and words appeal to the Trumptards among us. Once Trump is dead, the Trumptards will quickly find somebody as diseased, but less obnoxious and stupid, to be their new leader.


There's no such thing as "Trumptards". People who often make stupid life decisions can be found in the barrios and ghettos as often as in wealthy suburbs. The corrupt and evil vote Dem too, in boardrooms and politics more than any place else.

If you were honest with yourself... an impossibility, I know ... you'd understand what we all do: That you're just looking for an excuse to exercise your sociopathy.

That's why you went to war: so you could graduate your killing from small pets to people, and not go to jail for it. You STILL want to kill people .

I'm sure your parents did their best, but you were born evil.

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Sunday, August 31, 2025 2:50 PM

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His parents were drug addicts and Second was born a broken boy.

His brain doesn't work right, and that's why he is the way he is today.

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Sunday, August 31, 2025 2:58 PM

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To add to what Sigs said, EVERYBODY makes bad decisions. Most of them are likely made in their youth.

Some never learn and do it all their lives and earn themselves an early death on top of a miserable life.

Most will make poor decisions more than a handful of times in adulthood even with the best of intentions because, SPOILER ALERT: Pretty much everyone is dumb, no matter what their age is.

Then there's just plain ole' Bad Luck too.


It's all in this song...

Everybody's Free (To Wear Sunscreen)



Lyrics:

Ladies and gentlemen of the class of '99
Wear sunscreen

If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be it
A long-term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by scientists
Whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable
Than my own meandering experience, I will dispense this advice now

Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth, oh, never mind
You will not understand the power and beauty of your youth
Until they've faded, but trust me, in 20 years, you'll look back
At photos of yourself and recall in a way you can't grasp now
How much possibility lay before you and how fabulous you really looked
You are not as fat as you imagine

Don't worry about the future
Or worry, but know that worrying
Is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing Bubble gum
The real troubles in your life
Are apt to be things that never crossed your worried mind
The kind that blindsides you at 4 p.m. on some idle Tuesday
Do one thing every day that scares you

Don't be reckless with other people's hearts
Don't put up with people who are reckless with yours

Floss

Don't waste your time on jealousy
Sometimes you're ahead, sometimes you're behind
The race is long and in the end, it's only with yourself
Remember compliments you receive, forget the insults
If you succeed in doing this, tell me how
Keep your old love letters, throw away your old bank statements

Stretch

Don't feel guilty if you don't know what you want to do with your life
The most interesting people I know
Didn't know at 22 what they wanted to do with their lives
Some of the most interesting 40-year-olds I know still don't
Get plenty of calcium
Be kind to your knees
You'll miss them when they're gone

Maybe you'll marry, maybe you won't
Maybe you'll have children, maybe you won't
Maybe you'll divorce at 40, maybe you'll dance the 'Funky Chicken'
On your 75th wedding anniversary
Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much
Or berate yourself either
Your choices are half chance, so are everybody else's

Enjoy your body, use it every way you can
Don't be afraid of it or what other people think of it
It's the greatest instrument you'll ever own
Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your own living room
Read the directions even if you don't follow them
Do not read beauty magazines, they will only make you feel ugly

Get to know your parents, you never know when they'll be gone for good
Be nice to your siblings, they're your best link to your past
And the people most likely to stick with you in the future

Understand that friends come and go
But a precious few, who should hold on

Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography and lifestyle
For as the older you get
The more you need the people you knew when you were young
Live in New York City once but leave before it makes you hard
Live in northern California once but leave before it makes you soft

Travel

Accept certain inalienable truths
Prices will rise, politicians will philander, you too, will get old
And when you do, you'll fantasize that when you were young
Prices were reasonable, politicians were noble
And children respected their elders

Respect your elders

Don't expect anyone else to support you
Maybe you have a trust fund, maybe you'll have a wealthy spouse
But you never know when either one might run out

Don't mess too much with your hair
Or by the time you're 40 it will look 85

Be careful whose advice you buy but be patient with those who supply it
Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past
From the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts
And recycling it for more than it's worth

But trust me on the sunscreen

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Sunday, August 31, 2025 8:07 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Trump will not be a problem 3 years from now. So where does all that anti-Trump messaging go? What did all that anti-Trump energy get you? The only thing the DNC will be able to do is pivot to a new "enemy", spew more hysterical froth and bullshit, engineer another "crisis", turn off more people.
Are you really incapable of thinking even 3 years ahead?
It seems so.

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I will probably never make it clear enough, but I am opposed to "Trumptards" as a group. Trump got elected because his life and words appeal to the Trumptards among us. Once Trump is dead, the Trumptards will quickly find somebody as diseased, but less obnoxious and stupid, to be their new leader.


There's no such thing as "Trumptards". People who often make stupid life decisions can be found in the barrios and ghettos as often as in wealthy suburbs. The corrupt and evil vote Dem too, in boardrooms and politics more than any place else.

If you were honest with yourself... an impossibility, I know ... you'd understand what we all do: That you're just looking for an excuse to exercise your sociopathy.

That's why you went to war: so you could graduate your killing from small pets to people, and not go to jail for it. You STILL want to kill people .

I'm sure your parents did their best, but you were born evil.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger
The essence of being a Trumptard is a conviction that your fears are rational and a certainty of your superior knowledge. The Trumptard whose Cadillac I fixed today was convinced he knows cars. One of the two songs he is always playing in his head is titled "I Am Superior, Reasonable, And Good." (Signym, for the record, I NEVER play that song in my head.) The flip side of that vinyl record is the other Trumptard theme song: "My Enemies Know Nothing and Are Evil". (Signym, for the record, Trumptards' life stories prove they are what they accuse their enemies to be. I have videoed them at their worst. When I played back to them what they said and did, they claimed the video was fake and words had been changed. Too bad I don't have video of all Trumptards. They would deny the reality of their sad lives. )

This particular Trumptard who works in the White House plays both songs constantly:

Blocking tariffs would be "end of the United States," top Trump adviser says

By Ben Berkowitz | August 31, 2025

https://www.axios.com/2025/08/31/trump-tariffs-supreme-court

It would be "the end of the United States" if President Trump's sweeping global tariffs are ultimately struck down by the Supreme Court, White House trade adviser Peter Navarro said Sunday.

Why it matters: The administration is putting maximum pressure on the high court — and the court of public opinion — in an attempt to frame the future of Trump's trade regime in existential terms.

Catch up quick: Late Friday night, a federal appellate court upheld a lower-court ruling that Trump's sweeping global tariffs under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) were illegal.

Trump quickly warned the ruling could "literally destroy the United States" and suggested a Supreme Court appeal was coming.

The decision allows the IEEPA tariffs to remain in place through at least Oct. 14. It does not affect so-called Section 232 tariffs (like steel and aluminum) or Section 301 national tariffs (like the levies imposed on China in Trump's first term).

What they're saying: "This was weaponized partisan injustice at its worst. Politicians in black robes," Navarro said on Fox's "Sunday Morning Futures" of the court's 7-4 decision.

"If we lose the case, President Trump is right — it will be the end of the United States," he said.

Navarro insisted that both fentanyl flows from overseas and trade deficits were emergencies that had to be addressed by tariffs, and that the duties could end quickly if the drugs stopped coming and trade balanced out.

By the numbers: Tariffs have quickly become a massive source of federal revenue — around $31 billion in August alone, representing just over 8% of all cash deposits to the U.S. Treasury for the month.

The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimated that the ruling, if it stands, would wipe out 71% of the revenue impact of Trump's tariff policy, reducing receipts by $2 trillion through fiscal 2034.

Between the lines: Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.), a member of the Senate Finance Committee, told NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday that the ongoing tariff drama was disruptive to businesses and needed to be resolved, one way or another.

"More than anything else, from all the companies that I talk to, is they just want it to be set. They just want to know what the rules of the road are," Lankford said.

"Every time there's a new court hearing, every time there's a new change, it's destabilizing for every one of our businesses. So let's get all these things resolved as quickly as we possibly can."

His comments echo those of trade groups, from the top of American industry to the smallest of businesses, who've said the lingering uncertainty is disrupting their ability to operate.

What to watch: How quickly the Trump administration moves to bring the case to the Supreme Court, whose next term is likely to face multiple fundamental questions about presidential authority over the economy.

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Sunday, August 31, 2025 9:43 PM

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The essence of being a Trumptard


Shut the fuck up, drone.

Nobody is interested in your bullshit anymore.

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Sunday, August 31, 2025 10:56 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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The essence of being a Trumptard SECOND is a conviction that your fears are rational and a certainty of your superior knowledge.


A self-own with every post?? Where does YOUR certainty come from?


And, of course, you NEVER think you're superior, reasonable, or good!


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Monday, September 1, 2025 8:47 AM

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Quote:
The essence of being a Trumptard SECOND is a conviction that your fears are rational and a certainty of your superior knowledge.


A self-own with every post?? Where does YOUR certainty come from?


And, of course, you NEVER think you're superior, reasonable, or good!


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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger
When I pay attention to the Trumptards around me, it is one damn stupid thing after another with them. The example from yesterday was the Trumptard next door who couldn't understand why his Cadillac won't start, even after weeks of effort and the purchasing of many replacement parts. That Trumptard tried one thing after another and failed. His failures do not give me feelings of superiority and I was not feeling pity for that fool. By the way, the fix was easy. That moron had convinced himself that the failed fuel pump relay was not at fault. I can only speculate how he tricked himself into believing a falsehood. Here is an example of a semi-human doing a lousy impersonation of a President:

Just before he logged off for the night, Trump found time to return to his beloved tariffs, claiming they would bring “more than 15 trillion dollars” into the U.S.

What Trump claims to be true isn't happening, but that won't stop him from saying it will. If you think failure would cause his followers to chastise him, you'd be mistaken because they aren't aware.

Trump, 79, Calls it an Early Night After Exhausting Truth Social Rant
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-79-calls-it-an-early-nig
ht-after-exhausting-truth-social-rant/ar-AA1LCIWh


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Monday, September 1, 2025 10:10 AM

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The US Disaster With India Has Reached The Grovelling Stage by US State Department

And It Has NOTHING To Do With Helping Ukraine

Phillips P. OBrien | Sep 01, 2025

https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/the-us-disaster-with-india-has-
reached

The Trump Administration imposed punitive tariffs on India, expecting the Indians to come grovelling to Trump and ask what they needed to do to make things better.

And guess what? It is the US which is grovelling as the Indians treat the move by the Trump Administration with the disdain that it deserves.

The US decision to decimate the US-Indian relationship never made sense in any rational universe where states act with their self-interest at heart.

Singling out India for punitive tariffs was not just self-destructive, it was also profoundly illogical. The publicly stated idea that the move was because India was buying lots of Russian oil was, ipso facto, ridiculous. China buys even more Russian oil than India and Turkey buys almost as much—and Trump is desperately trying to keep both of these states onboard. Instead, India got closer to Russia.

So, if the move had nothing to do with helping Ukraine, it might be asked why it happened? Well, what has emerged in the last few days is that the reason for the blow-up was even more venal than most people could have predicted.

Trump was destroying one of the most important strategic relationships the US has because the Indians refused to lie on his behalf and feed his monstrous ego. Trump wanted the Indians to state that he was responsible for bringing peace between India and Pakistan (a laughable claim). And the Indian government, representing a proud state with a history of not bowing to western pressure, not surprisingly refused.

Mr. Trump had been saying — repeatedly, publicly, exuberantly — that he had “solved” the military conflict between India and Pakistan, a dispute that dates back more than 75 years and is far deeper and more complicated than Mr. Trump was making it out to be.

During a phone call on June 17, Mr. Trump brought it up again, saying how proud he was of ending the military escalation. He mentioned that Pakistan was going to nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize, an honor for which he had been openly campaigning. The not-so-subtle implication, according to people familiar with the call, was that Mr. Modi should do the same.

The Indian leader bristled. He told Mr. Trump that U.S. involvement had nothing to do with the recent cease-fire. It had been settled directly between India and Pakistan.

Its remarkable how the entire position of the United States is being perverted by the personal interest and delusions of the president. Where is the bureaucracy that is supposed to check these things? Where are the “sensible” Republicans?

This move has been so catastrophic that its hard to underestimate the damage that has been done. India was in many ways the great linchpin to any attempt to balance China with powers from the global south itself. India and the US had no areas of insurmountable difference and many areas of shared interest—and things had been steadily improving between the two states for decades.

Maybe, through grovelling, the US can try and repair some of the foolishness and destructiveness it has brought to its international position. However, even then, it has set back the US-Indian relationship for years, if not decades.

Cleaning up the damage that Trump is doing to US relations with allies and friends is going to be one of the greatest challenge the US has ever faced internationally. If, of course, it even wants to try.

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What chaos at the US Centers for Disease Control could mean for the rest of the world

Published: September 1, 2025

https://theconversation.com/what-chaos-at-the-us-cdc-could-mean-for-th
e-rest-of-the-world-264188

Ever since Robert F Kennedy (RFK) Jr was appointed United States Secretary of Health and Human Services, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been under pressure to abandon its traditional evidence-based approach to public health in America and across the world.

That pressure came to a head last week with the sacking of recently appointed CDC director Susan Monarez. According to her lawyers, the longtime government scientist, who had been in the role less than a month, was targeted after she refused to “rubber-stamp unscientific, reckless directives”.

Monarez will be replaced by Jim O'Neill, deputy director of the Department of Health and Human Services. Critics note he has no medical or scientific training.

RFK Jr’s department has dismissed and replaced the 17 expert members of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices with eight new people – a number of whom have reportedly expressed anti-vaccination views.

During RFK Jr’s tenure so far, his department has:

reduced access to COVID vaccines for children and pregnant women

cancelled contracts to develop new mRNA vaccines worth US$500 million

revived the search for a long disproved link between childhood vaccines and autism.

RFK Jr is arguably the most important figure overseeing health in the US. It’s difficult to underestimate the harm his actions will do to vaccine confidence and uptake in America and around the world.

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Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:39 PM _ I posted, "I am an independent myself."


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Appointing Tulsi Gabbard as head of ODNI is probably one of Trump's better moves.

GO GET 'EM, TULSI!

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TULSI GABBARD vs CIA CAGE MATCH





What you chose to post is simmered in your support for dictators. My point is you keep your posts in a state of incipient development towards that goal never exposing honestly what you do here.

Of course you will deny it, but it’s represented front and center in the pattern of your posts. Who you like, support and defend globally you keep in that state of incipient, i.e, beginning development.


You mask your personal truth by presenting your posts in a way where you think you can hide your deeper beliefs. You'd never say you support dictators but despite your precautions it's obvious.

Your intention is to come off as pragmatic, but you are anything but comrade signym.

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Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:39 PM _ I posted, "I am an independent myself."


What happened to Jack, i.e. Gilligan? Did he stop posting?

T

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What happened to Jack, i.e. Gilligan? Did he stop posting?

T
He is being his usual self: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64887&mid=12267
49#1226749

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Fuck Ukraine. Nobody cares.

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I've always seen Trumptards opposing good and gravitating toward evil, in this case, Russia. 6ix and Signym do the expected. 6ix vents and Signym propagandizes.

Signym spreading Russian disinformation: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64887&mid=12261
41#1226141

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Monday, September 1, 2025 12:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
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What happened to Jack, i.e. Gilligan? Did he stop posting?

T


You're the one who wasn't here at all yesterday.

Glad to see you're still alive.

I'm ignoring your tags because they're bullshit as always. We'll let Brenda read them when she comes back, or if you're afraid of that, you can always just spam your mindless cartoons. I'm not going to further age anything off.

I don't care either way. I'm not ashamed of anything I post.

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Monday, September 1, 2025 1:04 PM

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Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:39 PM _ I posted, "I am an independent myself."


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Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
What happened to Jack, i.e. Gilligan? Did he stop posting?

T
He is being his usual self: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64887&mid=12267
49#1226749

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Fuck Ukraine. Nobody cares.

I've always seen Trumptards opposing good and gravitating toward evil, in this case, Russia. 6ix and Signym do the expected. 6ix vents and Signym propagandizes.

Signym spreading Russian disinformation: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64887&mid=12261
41#1226141

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Ok I see. He’s posting the same one or two lines of trolling bullshit, so it becomes confusing as to when, or what you are looking at, has been posted. He’s not too bright.

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Monday, September 1, 2025 1:18 PM

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I'm the smartest guy in the room.

That's not always the easiest thing to gauge in real life situations, but I've been around you two knuckleheads long enough to know the truth.

Sigs would be the only person left here to give me a run for my money. Jaynez could be a full-blown genius for all I know, but he just doesn't know how to properly express himself all the time. Brenda might be a dark horse and could possibly be smarter than all of us. She certainly is the most Emotionally Intelligent person left on these boards.

Other than those possibilities, I've been the smartest person posting here ever since JO made his last post.

You're the bottom of the barrel here, buddy. I'm sure you're not the stupidest person that ever posted in the RWED, but with the few who remain today you're in far, far last place on the IQ scale.

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I'm the smartest guy in the room.

That's not always the easiest thing to gauge in real life situations, but I've been around you two knuckleheads long enough to know the truth.

Sigs would be the only person left here to give me a run for my money. Jaynez could be a full-blown genius for all I know, but he just doesn't know how to properly express himself all the time. Brenda might be a dark horse and could possibly be smarter than all of us. She certainly is the most Emotionally Intelligent person left on these boards.

Other than those possibilities, I've been the smartest person posting here ever since JO made his last post.

You're the bottom of the barrel here, buddy. I'm sure you're not the stupidest person that ever posted in the RWED, but with the few who remain today you're in far, far last place on the IQ scale.

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Trump will be remembered in the same way James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson are remembered. As the worst Presidents in history.

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Monday, September 1, 2025 1:45 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:


I'm the smartest guy in the room.

That's not always the easiest thing to gauge in real life situations, but I've been around you two knuckleheads long enough to know the truth.

Sigs would be the only person left here to give me a run for my money. Jaynez could be a full-blown genius for all I know, but he just doesn't know how to properly express himself all the time. Brenda might be a dark horse and could possibly be smarter than all of us. She certainly is the most Emotionally Intelligent person left on these boards.

Other than those possibilities, I've been the smartest person posting here ever since JO made his last post.

You're the bottom of the barrel here, buddy. I'm sure you're not the stupidest person that ever posted in the RWED, but with the few who remain today you're in far, far last place on the IQ scale.

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Trump will be remembered in the same way James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson are remembered. As the worst Presidents in history.

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Only by pink haired weirdos with hearts full of hate and septum rings.



But let's be honest. None of them even know who either James Buchanan or Andrew Johnson were.

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Only by pink haired weirdos with hearts full of hate and septum rings.



But let's be honest. None of them even know who either James Buchanan or Andrew Johnson were.

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How Robert F. Kennedy, Jr’s Anti-Vax Agenda Is Infecting America

A vaccine expert warns that the Secretary of Health and Human Services is deliberately sowing confusion in order to drive down immunization uptake.

By Isaac Chotiner | August 31, 2025

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/robert-f-kennedy-jrs-anti-vax-a
genda-is-infecting-our-public-health-system

For months, President Donald Trump’s Administration has launched a full-scale attack, led by his Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., on America’s public-health system. In the past week, however, the efforts escalated: Kennedy, who rose to fame in part owing to his conspiracy theories about vaccinations, pushed to fire Susan Monarez, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which is part of H.H.S. This came after Monarez refused to follow the lead of Kennedy’s advisers, who have tried to restrict vaccine access. (Trump has now named a Kennedy deputy, Jim O’Neill, as her replacement; Monarez’s lawyer claims that her firing was “legally deficient.”) The Trump Administration has already tried to limit access to COVID vaccines; earlier this month, the F.D.A. approved updated COVID vaccines but limited access to them to people sixty-five and older, and those with certain preëxisting conditions that put them at risk of severe illness. In mid-September, a C.D.C. advisory committee will meet and is expected to make a recommendation on who should be able to get the shots.

I spoke about the crisis at the C.D.C. with Paul Offit, the director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, and a professor of pediatrics at the Perelman School of Medicine, at the University of Pennsylvania. During our conversation, which has been edited for length and clarity, we discussed the extent to which the federal government can deter or restrict vaccine access, what Kennedy is really trying to accomplish, and why making it more difficult for pharmacies to inoculate patients may change public health in America.

How important are C.D.C. recommendations to vaccine uptake? How centralized a process is this?

Everyone who is involved in administering vaccines looks to the C.D.C. for their recommendations. So the Food and Drug Administration (F.D.A.) is a licensing body. It says a company can sell their vaccine, but it’s the C.D.C., specifically the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (A.C.I.P.), that gives specific recommendations. They say, O.K., now that it’s licensed, you can administer this vaccine to these people at these time intervals. And they have always been the central source, so they’re critical. They are the group that people look to for advice.

And so, when you say “people,” you’re talking about doctors, pharmacies, insurance companies, everyone, essentially.

Yes. I think parents look to their doctors for advice, but I think the doctors and the pharmacists and others are looking to the A.C.I.P. for advice.

I imagine there will be a lot of doctors, a majority of doctors in the United States, who are going to end up disagreeing with the Trump Administration’s guidance about vaccines. What, then, do doctors have the ability or inability to do, based on what the C.D.C. does?

So, for example, the C.D.C.—prior to Kennedy becoming the Secretary of H.H.S.—had recommended that young children receive a vaccine based on data that were presented in April of this year showing that thousands of children were being hospitalized, that one in five of those children hospitalized were being sent to the intensive-care unit, that a hundred and fifty-two children had died, that virtually none who died were vaccinated, and that half who died were previously healthy. Most of those children were less than four years old, and many were less than six months of age. So therefore there was a clear, firm recommendation by the C.D.C. to vaccinate young children. Then, at the end of May, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., stood and said H.H.S. is no longer recommending the COVID vaccine for healthy young children and for pregnant women, even though children under six months of age could only be protected by vaccinating their mother [during pregnancy].

That threw a wrench into the system, and here’s how it played out. The American Academy of Pediatrics is going to publish a clear recommendation in its journal saying that all children six months and older who have not been vaccinated should be; and that children less than two years of age should clearly be vaccinated because of the data showing that COVID can be a serious and occasionally fatal infection in that age group. Then the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists stood up in the defense of pregnant women and said that pregnant women should receive a vaccine.

The only vaccine available for children less than five is Moderna’s vaccine. And that is licensed only for children in a high-risk category. So now you’re stuck. You’re wondering, Is insurance going to cover this? Is insurance going to cover a young child, a healthy child getting a vaccine? Are physicians going to feel comfortable, in terms of liability, giving that? And, for the most part, physicians are covered by the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, so, more important, are pharmacists going to feel comfortable? And, even though that act does not include COVID vaccines, another act does. I talked to two lawyers and my understanding is that it doesn’t cover pharmacists, so they are being left in the lurch. It’s all confusing, and I think that’s the point. I think Kennedy’s point is to make it confusing.

Why is Moderna the only one making a vaccine for kids, and why did they only recommend it for kids who are not healthy?

Moderna and Pfizer initially had a vaccine approved under an emergency-use authorization (E.U.A.), and then Moderna advanced that from the emergency-use authorization to a licensed product. But that licensure through the F.D.A. unfortunately only included children who were at high risk, because what the Trump F.D.A. did was they basically usurped the role of the C.D.C. The job of the F.D.A. is to say, O.K., if this vaccine is safe and effective, then it’s licensed and the company can sell it. Then it’s up to the C.D.C. to say, O.K., looking at the epidemiological data that we have, it looks like all children older than six months benefit. But the F.D.A. preëmpted that, and basically they took over the role of the C.D.C. Project 2025 wants to eliminate C.D.C. as a recommending body. And one way to do this is what the F.D.A. just did, which is to limit the vaccines to just those children who are at high risk. Pfizer’s vaccine was approved through an emergency-use authorization for children less than five years old, but they just didn’t advance the license quickly enough. And so Kennedy saw an opportunity and basically said, We’re not going to approve anything through E.U.A. anymore. And that eliminated Pfizer’s vaccine for children.

I have read that some countries in Europe have a more relaxed attitude to children’s vaccinations than we did before Trump. Is that accurate? And do you think that there’s anything to be said for that?

The goal of the vaccine is to keep people out of the hospital, keep them out of the intensive-care unit, keep them out of the morgue. You’re not going to be protected against mild to moderate disease for long after either a natural infection or a vaccination. Four to six months later, your antibody response will fade; you’re still going to be protected against severe disease for a fairly long time, but you’ll still be at risk for mild to moderate disease. So then the question becomes who’s getting hospitalized? Who’s dying? That’s who you’re trying to protect. It really falls into four groups: people who are pregnant, people who are over seventy-five, people who are immunocompromised, and people who have high-risk medical conditions like chronic lung or heart disease. The logical response is to say, O.K., let’s just target those groups. Let’s give the vaccine every year to those groups, the groups most likely to be hospitalized or suffer serious illness.

We didn’t. We just kept saying everybody over six months of age should get a yearly vaccine—and I think that was wrong. Very early on, actually, I started to say that we should target the groups who are being hospitalized. That’s the goal of the vaccine. I was getting a lot of criticism for saying that we should just target the high-risk groups. I suddenly had gotten off the bus, and I think, in the public-health world, you’re either on the bus or off the bus. Someone I talked to in that world said that would be seen as a nuanced recommendation, which is going to be seen as a garbled recommendation. And the best way to get everybody vaccinated who should be vaccinated is to make a universal recommendation. I guess it’s a testable hypothesis, but I don’t agree with that. And so it was always seen as a messaging issue. And the A.C.I.P., in April of this year, started to discuss whether they should just target high-risk groups. But then those people got fired and replaced by this group with members who are science-averse and anti-vaccine.

So then, just to clarify, what exactly is your recommendation regarding kids?

Of course we should vaccinate children who haven’t been vaccinated. I think we should not have that relaxed attitude. If you can prevent something that causes serious, and occasionally fatal, infections safely, then do it. So I disagree with those countries that have a relaxed attitude about childhood vaccines. I think we should continue with what we had, which is to vaccinate young children who haven’t been vaccinated or naturally infected.

This is the difference between a yearly vaccine and a primary vaccine. I think everybody who has never been vaccinated and has never been naturally infected should get a primary vaccine. Most of this country has either been vaccinated or naturally infected or both. So now we’re talking about, for the most part, a yearly vaccine. And I think that should target high-risk groups,

And then the high-risk groups are what you were talking about in terms of getting the yearly shots?

Yes, exactly right.

The New York Times and others have reported that in many states CVS and Walgreens are going to be limiting COVID vaccines to those with prescriptions, or stop offering them completely. Can you discuss why?

This would be disastrous. COVID is going to [go the way of] respiratory diseases, like influenza, that individually cause hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations and tens of thousands of deaths every year. COVID will become flu. We will see it every year. There are four older strains of human coronavirus that circulate in this country that account for maybe ten to fifteen per cent of the hospitalizations at our hospital. They have likely circulated among humans for centuries. The other two were more recent. Assume this virus is going to be with us for decades, if not centuries—so we’re going to be dealing with it, and the question is how best to deal with it.

When the vaccine first came out, in December of 2020, we had a problem. We wanted to try and vaccinate the population. And, although there really wasn’t an infrastructure for mass-vaccinating adults, that’s where pharmacies came in. Most adults get their vaccines from the pharmacist, whether it’s the flu vaccine or the COVID vaccine. I think that, by making it unclear whether pharmacists have liability protection for, say, a healthy thirty-five-year-old who wants to get a vaccine, [that practice will] decrease. And, because of that uncertainty, these pharmacists at CVS and Walgreens who were giving the vaccine are in a conundrum about how to handle all this. And that’s Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.,’s goal—to make things confusing, which will therefore lessen vaccine uptake.

So it seems like there are two separate issues. The first is just liability protection. If something goes wrong with the vaccine, which happens in a tiny, tiny number of cases, then people are worried about getting sued, right?

Yes. The label says you can only give it to a high-risk person. So someone who has a high-risk medical condition or is elderly or whatever falls into one of those categories. A person who is, say, thirty-five, who’s scared of getting long COVID, who works in a nursing home, around a vulnerable population of people, or who has an elderly person at home—all perfectly reasonable reasons to get a vaccine—they may not be able to get a vaccine. The pharmacist may feel, I can’t give this person a vaccine. So it’s pregnant people now who have gone to the pharmacist and tried to get a vaccine, but they haven’t been able to get one, even though they are a high-risk group. This was the way adults get vaccinated. Many adults don’t go to a doctor. When they do go to a doctor, usually they don’t get vaccines. It was the pharmacist who was giving them vaccines.

But it seems like there’s another issue, which is that CVS is now saying they’re not able to offer COVID vaccines in some states, even to people who meet the newly restrictive criteria. It seems like some states have a law that they have to follow guidelines.

Interestingly, the A.C.I.P. really hasn’t weighed in on this yet. The F.D.A. has. It’s a licensed vaccine for people in high-risk groups who are under sixty-five. And the A.C.I.P. typically weighs in much earlier in approving the vaccine. [In years past, the committee’s advisory meeting was held earlier in the summer.] But we still don’t know what they are going to do yet. Maybe that’s what they’re going to be saying in September.

Well, right. I think that’s the issue for these pharmacies. They’re waiting until A.C.I.P. weighs in.

And will they weigh in? This Retsef Levi, who is now the head of the COVID working group [at the C.D.C.], is virulently anti-vaccine, certainly anti-COVID-vaccine. So what will the A.C.I.P. say? We’ll see.

This all makes me think about how public-health groups and states are going to have to think about public health differently, at least for the next three and a half years. How do you think about that question?

I think that’s the most important point, right? Because, historically, they look to the A.C.I.P. for what they can and can’t give. And now we basically don’t have a real A.C.I.P. anymore. We have this group of voting members, many of whom have an anti-vaccine bent—can you trust them? No. I think medical and scientific groups don’t trust the A.C.I.P. anymore. Frankly, they don’t trust the C.D.C. anymore. So now what do you do legislatively? Do you change the laws and say, We’ll go with what the American Academy of Pediatrics says or what American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists says? That’s a matter of changing the law. It’s hard. This is never the way we’ve done it before. We haven’t looked to these professional societies to legally [determine] what to do.

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but what about doctors’ offices giving patients the vaccine themselves? How plausible is that?

For adults, that’s hard. Historically, that’s been hard. Most adults, including me, get their vaccines from the pharmacist because it’s so much easier. You just walk in. It’s much harder in the doctor’s office because you have to make an appointment. Can you get an appointment? Will the doctor have the vaccine in stock?

But nothing would actually stop that.

That is right. But that certainly didn’t work, say, in 2021. The reason we were able to vaccinate seventy per cent of the U.S. adults between December of 2020 and July of 2021 was because of pharmacists.

Is there anything you think pharmacies can or should be doing here that they’re not doing? Every article I read about this says they’re in a tough bind. Are there different steps they could be taking?

I’m not sure what they can do other than try and work with their local legislatures to see whether or not they can pin recommendations to professional societies. But that’s not something that’s going to happen quickly. And COVID is not going anywhere. We’re going to have COVID every year, and every year three and a half to four million children are born, who, by six months of age, will be fully susceptible to this virus. And there are a lot of adults who are having trouble getting this vaccine in their pharmacies. I do think it would be great if this hole could be made up for by the physician, but I just don’t see that.

Everybody who’s at high risk does need to be vaccinated every year to keep them out of the hospital. Last year, according to C.D.C., some forty-seven thousand deaths were attributed to COVID. Hundreds of thousands of people were hospitalized from COVID. This is preventable. Same thing with flu. During the 2024-25 flu season, we had two hundred and sixty-seven children die from flu, which is the biggest number for flu deaths in this country since the 2009-10 flu season, when there was a swine-flu pandemic. It’s because they’re not getting vaccinated. And I think under these now more restrictive and confusing rules, fewer people will get vaccinated and more people will suffer.

You mean vaccinated for all things, or are you talking about COVID?

I mean vaccinated for all things. If you talk to people on the ground regarding measles, for example. If you look on the C.D.C.’s website, you’ll see fourteen hundred cases of measles this year. One person from the Texas Department of State Health Services said to me that this is a vast underestimate for what’s really happening. And so, because the C.D.C. has been shredded under this Administration, because it doesn’t have its surveillance capacity, because it can’t now fund the immunization clinics that it used to, not only are we going to be left unimmunized across the board; we’re also not going to know exactly what’s going on out there.

It seems like what you’re saying, though, in the bigger picture, is that they want to legally restrict who can get the COVID vaccine. And then once they’ve restricted it legally to that smaller group, then they want to make access even for that smaller group harder, even though, ostensibly, they’re arguing that these groups should have access to it?

I agree. What’s happened is that the anti-vaccine activists have been shouting from the sideline for decades. Now they’re making public policy. In summary, we’re screwed.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Only by pink haired weirdos with hearts full of hate and septum rings.



But let's be honest. None of them even know who either James Buchanan or Andrew Johnson were.

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How Robert F. Kennedy, Jr’s Anti-Vax Agenda Is Infecting America


Maybe you shouldn't have pulled Tyranny for 3 years over a cold.

You want to be mad at somebody now, here's your real target...




At least he won't be around to poison your pea brain for much longer.

Too bad the damage is already done... To Americans in general, to your dead brain and to your dead Political Party.

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Got shit to do.

Later, losers.



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