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Not capable of surviving

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Saturday, May 7, 2016 8:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Our culture, our economy, and our people. Still thinking. More later.

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Saturday, May 7, 2016 9:41 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Our culture, our economy, and our people. Still thinking. More later.

Before you answer, read
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-tr
ump.html

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And it is when a democracy has ripened as fully as this, Plato argues, that a would-be tyrant will often seize his moment.

He is usually of the elite but has a nature in tune with the time — given over to random pleasures and whims, feasting on plenty of food and sex, and reveling in the nonjudgment that is democracy’s civil religion. He makes his move by “taking over a particularly obedient mob” and attacking his wealthy peers as corrupt. If not stopped quickly, his appetite for attacking the rich on behalf of the people swells further. He is a traitor to his class — and soon, his elite enemies, shorn of popular legitimacy, find a way to appease him or are forced to flee. Eventually, he stands alone, promising to cut through the paralysis of democratic incoherence. It’s as if he were offering the addled, distracted, and self-indulgent citizens a kind of relief from democracy’s endless choices and insecurities. He rides a backlash to excess—“too much freedom seems to change into nothing but too much slavery” — and offers himself as the personified answer to the internal conflicts of the democratic mess. He pledges, above all, to take on the increasingly despised elites. And as the people thrill to him as a kind of solution, a democracy willingly, even impetuously, repeals itself.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, May 7, 2016 1:15 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by G:

The bloated, wavy haired specter keeping you up at night? I predict many "Trump = End of Times" articles from here to Nov. And they will sell many digital ads.

G, what you wrote elsewhere is not correct. If there is a terrorist attack in the USA, Trump could easily win. He wins if the economy does poorly. He wins if Hillary is indicted for perjury in the investigation of her mail server. Hillary is not home free.

G wrote: “It's fun and exciting to do the "what if Trump wins" thing, but unless Hillary really steps in it, she's home free. Even then, if Trump were to win it would have to be rigged.

Just to repeat: I actually think he could do better with the chauvinistic, old boys' club leaders of the world than Hillary, but he'd be a 'uge disaster at home.” – www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60523&mid=1010585#
1010585

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_pre
sidential_nomination-3823.html

For the moment, Hillary is slightly ahead of Trump. But if Trump behaves like a gentleman toward Hillary, his approval ratings will rise up to Hillary's level. Trump doesn't have to act out being a thug any longer because he has the nomination. All the Republicans will vote for him in the general election even if he does behave politely because they know he is still a thug at heart.
www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_tr
ump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Unlike Hillary, the only uncontrollable event for Trump is being indicted for tax fraud. Nixon's V.P. Spiro Agnew was indicted for tax fraud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew#Resignation

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Saturday, May 7, 2016 2:41 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by second:
G, what you wrote elsewhere is not correct. If there is a terrorist attack in the USA, Trump could easily win.

Disagree. Hillary is being widely reported as a Hawk, so that event could favor her.

There is no way Hillary can be more hawkish than Trump. If Hillary felt the need for only 100,000 troops because she is reasonable, Trump would simply pledge to drop 1000 H-bombs. Whatever she bids, he will raise it because she is thinking about what really needs to be done and he is just spewing words without thinking. The biggest liar and nincompoop always wins in a contest to be the most hawkish.

That is why that belligerent clown Bush had super-high approval ratings after 9-11. Bush's approval ratings dropped only when it became clear that the Pentagon couldn't cash the checks that Bush's big mouth was writing.

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Saturday, May 7, 2016 5:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"There is no way Hillary can be more hawkish than Trump. If Hillary felt the need for only 100,000 troops because she is reasonable, Trump would simply pledge to drop 1000 H-bombs. Whatever she bids, he will raise it because she is thinking about what really needs to be done and he is just spewing words without thinking. The biggest liar and nincompoop always wins in a contest to be the most hawkish."

Then you haven't been listening to Trump. Not only has he not been talking war, he's been talking détente and negotiation and trade.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Saturday, May 7, 2016 8:05 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Then you haven't been listening to Trump. Not only has he not been talking war, he's been talking détente and negotiation and trade.

Are you still selling Bernie for President and Hillary for worse than Hitler?

Another 9-11 between now and November 2016 will bring out Trump's usual crazy talk. Trump's campaign could pledge to bring back good old Donald Rumsfeld for Secretary of Defense, since that Donald kept this Donald safe way back in 2001. Yes, I can see the two Donalds on the stage telling America that they can keep it safe, but only if Hillary-worse-than-Hitler is defeated in November.

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Saturday, May 7, 2016 11:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Where is Donald talking war, especially with Russia?

Bomb oilfields to starve ISIS? Not a bad idea. A BETTER idea might be to destroy the oil transport routes through Syria and into Turkey (which Russia substantially did), an even better idea than that would be to remove military and political support from Erdogan (which the neo-cons will NEVER do). But Donald's idea of depriving ISIS of revenue by cutting off the oil is better than Hillary's notions of supporting ISIS, and Turkey, and Israel, and Saudi Arabia, and picking a fight with Russia.

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Sunday, May 8, 2016 12:15 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Our culture, our economy, and our people. Still thinking. More later.- SIGNY

Before you answer, read
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-tr
ump.html And it is when a democracy has ripened as fully as this, Plato argues, that a would-be tyrant will often seize his moment.

He is usually of the elite but has a nature in tune with the time — given over to random pleasures and whims, feasting on plenty of food and sex, and reveling in the nonjudgment that is democracy’s civil religion. He makes his move by “taking over a particularly obedient mob” and attacking his wealthy peers as corrupt. If not stopped quickly, his appetite for attacking the rich on behalf of the people swells further. He is a traitor to his class — and soon, his elite enemies, shorn of popular legitimacy, find a way to appease him or are forced to flee. Eventually, he stands alone, promising to cut through the paralysis of democratic incoherence. It’s as if he were offering the addled, distracted, and self-indulgent citizens a kind of relief from democracy’s endless choices and insecurities. He rides a backlash to excess—“too much freedom seems to change into nothing but too much slavery” — and offers himself as the personified answer to the internal conflicts of the democratic mess. He pledges, above all, to take on the increasingly despised elites. And as the people thrill to him as a kind of solution, a democracy willingly, even impetuously, repeals itself. - SECOND

There's a "but" to that comparison. In Plato's day, Athens had plenty of slaves. In fact most men, and all women, couldn't vote. The "addled, distracted, and self-indulgent CITIZENS" were already of the upper class, so it's not a one-to-one comparison.

That description could have equally described Hitler's rise to power, which was precipitated by the terrible economic conditions of the Weimar Republic, which itself was fueled by the reparations that Germany was forced to pay after WWI.

Another rise to power (although not framed as a democracy) was the French Revolution. There too, conditions were terrible: taxes were unpayable, small businesses were suffering, and peasants were starving. However, the French nobility were indeed pleasure-seeking and corrupt.

There was a partial turnover of power during FDR's terms of office, precipitated by the Great Depression.

The cause of most turnovers of power seems to be related to economics, not an excess of freedom. And since economies seem to implode whenever there is a huge imbalance of wealth, it's not due to "too much freedom" or even "unwise populism", although it's understandable that a huge imbalance of wealth would cause both corruption (at the top) and populism (at the bottom).

However, that does bring me back to my original point.

The 2008 financial collapse rang the world economies like a bell, and it's STILL ringing. China suddenly realized that their whole economic plan depended utterly on western- specifically American- markets. Xi Jingping came to power then, and that whole "it is glorious to be wealthy" crowd - exemplified by Den Xiaoping and his appointees and successors - that had dominated Chinese politics for 30 years started to be squeezed out. China is seeking to wean itself from the dollar, and (in concert with Russia) is working to "de-dollarize" Asia.

Western banksters were suddenly staring down into a yawning chasm that had opened up under their feet. They had made money plundering the entire world with unpayable loans. The ECB decided it needed to plunder its own population instead, hence the squeeze by German, Dutch and Finnish banks on southern Europe. It also explains Britain's plunge into depression for the people, while HSBC hoovers up billions out of the British budget and peddles properties to wealthy elites seeking to stash their ill-gotten gains.

The USA, it seems, has gone on raiding parties across the globe - a tactic it alone can do, because of its massive globe-straddling military and ability to foment "color revolutions" in any number of nations thanks to long-implanted US AID, National Endowment for Democracy (NED), the Albert Einstein Institute (AEI), and other NGOs which are anything but what their titles suggest. An environment of commodities deflation - commodities exports on which many emerging nations depend - will cause economic stagnation. That, plus destabilizing forces, can collapse any government. This might have been the plan for Russia (among other nations). Once a nation is destabilized, banks can offer loans and then swoop in an pick up assets at fire-sale prices.

In addition, the USA seems bent on encircling Russia, moving NATO and attendant nuclear missiles right up to Russia's border. There is also the military "Asia Pivot" and the trade deals and sanctions which seek to exclude Russia and China from the world economy.

Even the Saudis seem to be seeking a re-alignment; I suspect they're vying for the Chinese market and may be willing to accept something other than dollars for their oil.

About China and Russia, specifically. I was given a very persuasive article to read, written by someone who calls himself the Saker. (Saker is a large falcon.) Sometimes he's way off, but many times his analyses are spot-on. The article was titled

Is Putin preparing a governmental purge?
http://thesaker.is/is-putin-preparing-a-governmental-purge/

As I said, it was very persuasive. Russia is turning itself into Fortress Russia, doing everything it can to make itself independent of western production, western monetary exchange platforms, western capital. Putin has tied together many security forces, significantly beefed up the armed forces, developed a National Guard from the various fragmented border security, immigration, and anti-organized crime units, which answerable to him. Personally. In addition to his official political party (United Russia) he has also organized a kind of Jacobian citizens' anti-corruption movement, with the force of the the Russian FBI behind it. Western integrationists are painted as the cause of Russia's problems. All of this seems destined to bring the population and the military to a point. A smart leader doesn't bring the population to a point without immediate purpose, because otherwise the cause goes stale.

To the extent that I follow Chinese internal politics, Xi Jingping is following the same model, although in a different order: When Xi was first named as Gnl Secretary of the Communist Party and President of PRC, he created a militarized internal security force and named himself head. He is NOW the literal Commander in Chief of the PRC's armed forces. And the PRC's military forces are undergoing a significant upgrade in weaponry. Xi doesn't have quite the support that Putin does- China's experience with the downsides of capitalism was mild and short, whereas many Russians still remember the lash of Chicago Schools' shock treatment reforms and the massive corruption and plunge in living standards and lifespan that went along with privatization.

OK there IS a point here, I promise!

Given the fact that both Russia and China are primed to respond militarily, and Russia specifically has said that if threatened it will use nuclear weapons, the folly is for international bankers and the various clandestine forces which enable them, and their political supporters (looking at YOU, Hillary!) to go on with "business as usual". That script will be broken, and attempting to play it one more time with feeling may break the world. Putin has said that Russia will not back down. This is not Yeltsin's Russia, and I believe Putin.

The point: We should be focusing on survival. Instead people are still thinking about the latest iPhone app, the latest Netflix offering, and the political games going on. Our politicians in general seem not to have noticed that the world has changed under their feet. McCain is trying to stir up trouble everywhere, politicians are playing the game of "who can be the most aggressive", central banks have extended money ad infinitum to their member banks. This can't last.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Monday, May 9, 2016 12:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

As an aside, if you want to see the results of this global economic bell-ringing, look at the rise of "right wing" (i.e. nationalist/ populist) movements in Scotland, England (Brexit), Europe AND THE USA, the teetering governments of Venezuela and Brazil (being destabilized from the inside as well as by commodity implosion), the roiling of the Saudi Royal family, and -as previously mentioned- the hardening of Russia and China against the west. The international banks are behind much of the economic mayhem, and consciously or unconsciously nations are turning away from international bonds and becoming isolationist.

THIS IS NOT A BAD THING. Groups under stress- Inuit during winter, birds during reproductive season - will break apart and isolate themselves. It's a survival instinct.

This is not yesterday's world, and "business as usual" isn't going to cut it.

TPTB want people and politicians fat, lazy, and stupid, and the people and their politicians have obliged them.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Saturday, October 11, 2025 5:24 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

millions killed during the ColdWar...so the proxy wars start once again?

Russia's Putin wants some of that Virgin Galactic Branson, Musk and Bezos money

...didnt they already do this with 'Pepsi'

Putin OKs plan to turn Russian spacecraft into flying billboards | Putin approved changes to federal laws governing advertising and space activities to "allow for the placement of advertising on spacecraft"
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/putin-oks-plan-to-turn-russian-s
pacecraft-into-flying-billboards/

'They've destroyed everything': Palestinians return to devastation in Gaza City
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czew72350ngo

Venezuela asks U.N. for emergency meeting over U.S. military actions, saying it expects "armed attack" soon
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/venezuela-un-emergency-session-us-militar
y-actions-armed-attack/

When Backing War Is the Only Sane Position, Leave the Asylum
https://davidswanson.org/when-backing-war-is-the-only-sane-position-le
ave-the-asylum/

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Tuesday, May 12, 2026 7:32 PM

THG

Keep it real please, and use a VPN

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki: Saturday, May 7, 2016 5:46 PM

"There is no way Hillary can be more hawkish than Trump. If Hillary felt the need for only 100,000 troops because she is reasonable, Trump would simply pledge to drop 1000 H-bombs. Whatever she bids, he will raise it because she is thinking about what really needs to be done and he is just spewing words without thinking. The biggest liar and nincompoop always wins in a contest to be the most hawkish."

Then you haven't been listening to Trump. Not only has he not been talking war, he's been talking détente and negotiation and trade.

Wrong kiki, so so wrong.

T

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Tuesday, May 12, 2026 7:34 PM

THG

Keep it real please, and use a VPN

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki: Saturday, May 7, 2016 5:46 PM

[quote second]
"There is no way Hillary can be more hawkish than Trump. If Hillary felt the need for only 100,000 troops because she is reasonable, Trump would simply pledge to drop 1000 H-bombs. Whatever she bids, he will raise it because she is thinking about what really needs to be done and he is just spewing words without thinking. The biggest liar and nincompoop always wins in a contest to be the most hawkish."

[qoute kiki]
Then you haven't been listening to Trump. Not only has he not been talking war, he's been talking détente and negotiation and trade.

Wrong kiki, so so wrong.

T

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Tuesday, May 12, 2026 7:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

You've stated no less than 3 times in as many days that you're convinced Kiki is dead.

And yet, here you are, doing probably the most pathetic thing I've ever seen a man do.

Argue with the dead...

Shut up, faggot.

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