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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I think they are both nonsense. I’m certainly inclined towards neither.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
LIHOP. The PNAC people had no interest in stopping a terrorist attack on the USA. But IMHO Bush was out of the loop on this one.

The FAA air traffic control records and tapes of air traffic controller interviews were shredded almost immediately. Bush had to be shamed by the victims' families into an investigation, and wouldn't testify under oath (and Cheney had to hold his hand). In fact the second part of the 9-11 Commission can't be completed thanks to the Bush administration witholding key witnesses. It smells like a coverup to me.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The FAA air traffic control records and tapes of air traffic controller interviews were shredded almost immediately. Bush had to be shamed by the victims' families into an investigation, and wouldn't testify under oath (and Cheney had to hold his hand). In fact the second part of the 9-11 Commission can't be completed thanks to the Bush administration witholding key witnesses. It smells like a coverup to me.

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Information provided to the commission investigating the U.S. government's response to terrorist threats prior to September 11, 2001, names an FAA quality manager in the destruction of an audiotape made in the aftermath of the 9/11 hijackings. Each of at least six air traffic controllers and some ten other employees who were on the job at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) in Ronkonkoma, N.Y., during the World Trade Center attacks gathered several hours after to recall their version of events. But that tape, which could have helped determine how the agency responded to clues that four planes had been hijacked, was destroyed before it was ever heard. In fact, officials at the ARTCC were never even told of the tape's existence. According to the report given to the 9/11 Commission by Department of Transportation Inspector General Kenneth Mead, the audiotape was crushed in the hand of the unnamed FAA employee, then cut into small pieces and tossed into different trash cans around the ARTCC building. Despite the fact that the quality assurance officer had been told to retain all records pertaining to 9/11, he told inspector general investigators he destroyed the tape because he felt making it was contrary to FAA policy, which calls for written statements. He is also quoted to have said the controllers "were not in the correct frame of mind to have properly consented to the taping" because of the stress of the day, and told investigators that faced with a similar situation, he would repeat his actions.

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The LIHOP side is the more plausible of the two theories. But that would mean that GWB, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Director of Central Intelligence, the chief of the CIA's Directorate of Intelligence, the Chief of the Directorate of Operations, would all have to be in on the secret. At least all of these people would know. In addition, the team tracking UBL for the CIA would probably all know, in addition to the case officer who collected the information...It's no surprise there's been tension between the administration and the CIA;

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I have a hard time swallowing the notion that all them folk could be in on a secret that would cost all those lives, and then not tell anyone after the fact.

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Another down side to the LIHOP theory is the extremely precise intel you'd have to have....the idea that the administration had this perfect intel and sat on it is absurd, to say the least.

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I'm not saying the neo-cons didn't eagerly jump on it as a vehicle for their foreign policy designs, but, conspiracy? Without some pretty convincing evidence, I gotta leave this one to the nutjobs. Chrisisall?

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I'm not saying the neo-cons didn't eagerly jump on it as a vehicle for their foreign policy designs, but, conspiracy? Without some pretty convincing evidence, I gotta leave this one to the nutjobs. Chrisisall?

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It WAS a conspiracy!!! Those guys taking over the planes were our own CIA guys in make-up! And the whole plan was designed by Ronal Regan in '88!!!!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I bow to you, Hero, your comedic talents are growing faster than your lightsabre skills, that was gorram funny.

Still wiping away the tears Chrisisall

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Originally posted by lynchaj:
Please explain your position.

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Originally posted by Hero:
"How to Invade Iraq to Finish What We Wont Finish in the Upcoming Gulf War and Have Nobody Find Out Except Radical Liberal Internet Sites and an Independant Film Maker.'

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