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Originally posted by SignyM:
I also give generously to Californians Against Waste (CAW) since they have been the driving force behind recycling in CA, to TREE PEOPLE whose sole purpose is to plant trees, and other organizations that bring this issue to the public and our legislators.

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
[B]@Hero:
Pick a fight lately?

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
[B]@Hero:
Pick a fight lately?

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I'm a lover not a fighter.
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
I also enjoy Hero's sarcasm. Or maybe dry wit would be a better way to phrase it.

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I guess my main goal is to live in the world and not just on it. So I try to not take too much. Recycling, composting, walking/biking to campus and the store and things like that.

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The city we live in has it's own utility company that is pretty good at investing in wind farms.

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It's not much but it's a start.

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Originally posted by Hero:

Scientists and greenies need to stop preaching against vehicles that I admit make no sense in the land of eternal sunshine, but are needed in larger numbers here in the snow belted northern tier states.

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Originally posted by Hero:
I merely desire global warming. This morning it was very cold outside. When the thermometer reads 2 degrees at 11am then I say we NEEDS us some global warming.

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Originally posted by JaynezTown:
maybe it exists, but it seems we need more scientific study

New Orleans was hit bad, forest fire in Europe and many homes damaged in Alabama

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Originally posted by Spaghetti:
Global Warming is a FACT.

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Originally posted by Spaghetti:
As for the socialist agendas to which you allude: The problem is a global problem with a global SOCIETY. Yes, a significant portion of the CO2 comes from the 3rd world. A social solution seems in order. Poor dirt farmers cooking over wood/peat/coke stoves, using slash and burn agrarian methods. You could order them to stop, and then watch as they STARVE. What's the alternative? Simply kill them? Or perhaps we could sacrifice some of our overall wealth and prosperity to make change.

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Originally posted by Spaghetti:
One thing PLEASE: Stop listening to Fox News, and start listening to NPR. Recent studies show that listeners to NPR are usually correct (70- 80%), while listeners to Fox and simlar right wing broadcasters are more likey to be WRONG, and they were also be MUCH more likely to be dead on certain they were correct. i learned a new word from that study: "Pseudo-certainty".

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Originally posted by Spaghetti:
However, i really do admire your commitment to the the environment by your actions. i find most "outdoorsmen" share the same values to the environment.

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Originally posted by OurMrReynolds:
Hey guys, have you researched recycling or does it just sound good? I have heard convincing arguments that recycling anything but aluminum causes MORE pollution than using new. We don't have the tech yet to make it earth- friendly. Good idea, but wrong time for it just yet. Also the argument that there are more trees now than before because lumberjacks ain't so stupid they'd chainsaw there way out of a job. Besides, most of our oxygen comes from the ocean (plankton and such). As to global warming, our planet heats and freezes on its own, even without our help. Even if we could control that, is it a good idea? Some of this stuff I believe and some I don't, but I love playing devil's advocate, and can't stay away from a good debate. By the same token, I love seeing Hummers on the road. I hope gas goes up to $546 per gallon. Then humanity, and it's technology will be FORCED to evolve. A hardcore global disaster would give us incentive do do something serious with our floundering space program. A little Darwin-esque I admit, but name 3 times humanity did something right immediately just because it was morally correct. Now name 3 times we achieved something phenominal due to incredible crisis. Which list was easier to make?

I am planning on growing a big black moustache. I'm a traditionalist.

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Originally posted by Hero:
But single working mothers in NE Ohio need 4WDs in the winter to get to work. NEED them. Fuel efficiency, emissions be damned. Look out my window. SNOW. More snow falling. Covered roads. Snowed Sunday.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Question is: how much more will it take before we all agree this planet is changing?

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
See, we'll admit that Bush is a good President the day Hell freezes over, which will never happen.

On the other hand, when the Earth freezes over, you'll have to admit the planet is changing.

Thankfully some of us will be kept warm by burning the bodies of all the lawyers (living or dead, doesn't really matter).

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By the 20th century, scientists had rejected old tales of world catastrophe, and were convinced that global climate could change only gradually over many tens of thousands of years. But in the 1950s, a few scientists found evidence that some changes in the past had taken only a few thousand years. During the 1960s and 1970s other data, supported by new theories and new attitudes about human influences, reduced the time a change might require to hundreds of years. Many doubted that such a rapid shift could have befallen the planet as a whole. The 1980s and 1990s brought proof (chiefly from studies of ancient ice) that the global climate could indeed shift, radically and catastrophically, within a century — perhaps even within a decade.

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Tracking the world's average temperature from the late 19th century, people in the 1930s realized there had been a pronounced warming trend. During the 1960s, scientists found that over the past couple of decades the trend had shifted to cooling. Many scientists predicted a continued and prolonged cooling, perhaps a phase of a long natural cycle or perhaps caused by human activities. Others insisted that humanity's emission of gases would bring warming over the long run. In the late 1970s, this group's views became predominant. By the late 1980s, it was plain that the cooling spell, whose cause remained mysterious, had been a temporary distraction. For whatever reason, unprecedented global warming was underway.

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As we go back in time in search of earlier records, the historical record becomes less reliable. Fortunately, Nature has provided its own recording mechanism. As we will explain in Chapter 4, measurements of oxygen isotopes yield an estimate of ancient temperatures combined with total global ice volume – a combination which is just as interesting as temperature alone, if not more so. Data from a kilometer long core taken from the Greenland glacier, as part of the Greenland Ice Sheet Project "GISP2" , are shown in Figure 1-2. For comparison purposes, the zero of temperature scale for this plot was set to match that of the previous plot. For historical interest, we marked some events from European history.

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Originally posted by needleseye:
Ok, been following the Global Warming thread, but I think I want to hear what one does about it.
Do you recycle, car pool, choose a hybrid car? ....to me that pollution really begins locally, at your house. ...
My bad is, I've gone thru several trees worth of paper plates in the last year because with my schedule, my 1yo., and trying to get dishes done just hasn't worked out for me! ...

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Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
the standard recylcing and carpooling things. There is one other thing Jake and I do that just seems geeky to other poeple, but it's helpful. We read all our books electronically.

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