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Originally posted by citizen:
Your argument seems to be, we don't know so lets stick our heads in the sand and carry on poisoning the enviroment...
Surely it would be best to assume it is happening? Cleaning up our act is not going to harm us in any great deal if it isn't happening, but not doing anything if it is...

Zen Buddhist to the Hotdog Vendor:
"Make me one with everything."

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

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You start w/ the premise that global warming is true. I don't

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Man is not the cause for any global warming.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by citizen:
Your argument seems to be, we don't know so lets stick our heads in the sand and carry on poisoning the enviroment...
Surely it would be best to assume it is happening? Cleaning up our act is not going to harm us in any great deal if it isn't happening, but not doing anything if it is...

Zen Buddhist to the Hotdog Vendor:
"Make me one with everything."

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Thanks for putting words in my mouth. If you're suggesting we 'clean up our act', fine... I'm all in favor of that. Cleaner burning fuels, recycling, conserving energy,...heck yeah, I do my part there. But if you mean something on the level of, say, the Kyoto Protocol, then I disagree. Even Tony Blair has come to realize what a fiasco that misguided treaty would be.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Originally posted by SignyM:
No, you are demanding "hundreds" of years of statistics to make the case for global warming,

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Hero, its awfully nice of you to stick up for Auraptor, but your post contributed NOTHING to the discussion. BTw- you "forgot" to add the context of my comment to Auraptor- which was that (s)he is willing to accept only six years of Mars data (of unknown significance) simply because it fits in with his pre-concieved notions but requires "hundreds" of years of data for an idea that he doesn't "believe" in. My point wsa that the data filtration was rather heavy.

Please don't think they give a shit.

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There are more like it if you look for it. It's more research, more possible links to the current warming trend.

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Originally posted by Hero:
Ooops, I was referring to the 20th Century...or maybe the 19th...hmmm, could have been the 18th...nope, definately the 17th, yep...wait, forgot the 16th...no, no definately the 15th...damn those 14th century storms was sumtin fierce they were...and Sygny, remember the mid 13th Century, those were wild times...but nothing compared to the 12th...now the 11th was nothing special...not at all like the 10th, what being the turn of the millenium, now that was the end of the world for you....but then there was...

In Ohio it rained all day today. God help us all.

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IF the global temperature is as high now, as it was during the mideival (sic) warming period

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IF the global temperature is as high now, as it was during the mideival (sic) warming period

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Big if.


Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Call me a skeptic, but I'm still not buying this 'Global warming ' bit as being anything more than the Earth's natural cycle. We might not understand it or how it all works, but there's a history of the Earth that predates man. Virtually all of it,actually. The Mesozoic inland sea which covered the interior of the United States...you think they got lots of water in New Orleans after Katrina!

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Originally posted by Hans:
Yes, there has always been a variation in temperature over time on the earth. But it's always been gradual changes over a period of thousands of years. What we are noticing now is a rapid, noticeable, unprecedented change that's taking place at exactly the same time as a huge increase in industrial output. Look at a graph, and the correlation between the two is undeniable.

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Now climatologists say frenzied hurricane seasons will be a fact of life for the next 10 to 20 years, part of a lengthy cycle of stormy eras followed by calmer ones.

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At a time when some are theorizing that global warming may be the reason for more intense hurricane seasons, climatologists say the AMO is the real culprit.

"The consensus among hurricane researchers and forecasters is that the hurricane landfalls of 2004 resulted from the AMO, a natural cycle of hurricane activity, combined with a lapse in the incredibly good fortune of the previous 35 years," Hugh Willoughby, a hurricane researcher at Miami's Florida International University, wrote in an essay last fall.

"The effect of global warming was at most second order," he wrote, "and probably not present at all."

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1595: Gietroz (Switzerland) glacier advances, dammed Dranse River, and caused flooding of Bagne with 70 deaths.
1600-10: Advances by Chamonix (France) glaciers cause massive floods which destroyed three villages and severely damaged a fourth. One village had stood since the 1200's.
1670-80's: Maximum historical advances by glaciers in eastern Alps. Noticeable decline of human population by this time in areas close to glaciers, whereas population elsewhere in Europe had risen.
1695-1709: Iceland glaciers advance dramatically, destroying farms.
1710-1735: A glacier in Norway was advancing at a rate of 100 m per year for 25 years.
1748-50: Norwegian glaciers achieved their historical maximum LIA positions.

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