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Sunday, January 8, 2006 1:56 PM
DREAMTROVE
Sunday, January 8, 2006 3:09 PM
SEVENPERCENT
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: That quote is not available, nor was it ever, on the site you posted, newscorp.org. You should know I have a reputation as a skeet shooter here, and there's some clay pigeons waiting to be taking down, begging for it. The info you posted is available on 19 sites, all of which are neonazi sites, and the first match was stormfront.org.
Sunday, January 8, 2006 10:14 PM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Quote:So you read Stormfront.org? Never heard of it. This cracked me up. PN, you're not a moron, don't pretend to be one, it just comes off as a lie. No, I don't post there, not being a white supremacist, but I'm beginning to suspect you do. "I am unarmed (BAM!)... I am of course wearing full body armor - I am not a moron!" -The Operative
Quote:So you read Stormfront.org? Never heard of it. This cracked me up. PN, you're not a moron, don't pretend to be one, it just comes off as a lie. No, I don't post there, not being a white supremacist, but I'm beginning to suspect you do. "I am unarmed (BAM!)... I am of course wearing full body armor - I am not a moron!" -The Operative
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Quote: So the elitist "Jews" HATED real Judaism and murdered "Jesus" the Jew and his Jewish followers. This is just patently false. Jesus was executed by the Romans for the crime of treason of which he was guilty.
Quote:"Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus." -John 18:10
Quote:It is undeniable that God Himself, in Revelation 11:8, declares that in the last days just prior to Christ’s return, one of the most wicked places on earth will be Jerusalem and Israel. In the book of Revelation God calls Jerusalem "Sodom and Egypt." I believe it is because of the apostate Jewish religion, a religion diametrically opposed to the Old Testament faith of Moses, Isaac, Jacob, and the prophets. From the days of the Jews’ captivity in Babylon to today, the religion of the Jews has increasingly grown more dark and more wicked. Jesus openly castigated the Jewish religionists. He called them 'blind guides,' 'fools, hypocrites.' He said, 'Ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayer... Ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.' (Matthew 23:14-15) Children of hell, that’s what Jesus called the Jewish religious teachers." -Pastor Texe Marrs, www.PowerOfProphesy.com, "The Occult Magic of the Jewish Cabala", Jan 2006 "Cabalism is pure Illuminism because it teaches the twisted and perverted secret doctrine that, ultimately, the higher level adept embraces: That the Holy Serpent is the true God; that all the evil that a person does, through alchemy, is magically transformed into righteousness; and that, yes, Lucifer is Lord. Satan is the true and only god. That is the essential doctrine of Cabalism. That, dear friends, is the horror and the shame of the Jewish Cabala. Sorcery is common-place in the depraved religious rituals of cabalistic Judaism. Here a rabbi is seen carrying a chicken off to be sacrificed in a voodoo/ Santeria-type ritual during the Jewish festival of Yom Kippur." -Pastor Texe Marrs, www.PowerOfProphesy.com, "Demons, Magic and Mysticism in the Cabala", Jan 2006 (Photo: Israel, A Photobiography, by Micha Bar-Am, New York: Simon & Schuster, 1998)
Quote:The NIV perverts Jesus Christ into Lucifer! Isaiah 14:14 reveals Satan's grandest desire, "I will be like the most High." And with a little subtil perversion - the NIV in Isaiah 14:12 grants Satan's wish! ISAIAH 14:12: The KJB reads, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER, son of the morning!. . ." The NIV PERversion reads, "How you have fallen from heaven, O MORNING STAR, son of the dawn. . ." The NIV change "Lucifer" to "MORNING STAR". BUT WAIT. . . I thought the Lord Jesus Christ was the MORNING STAR? www.av1611.org/niv.html "The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the 19th Degree, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!" -General Albert Pike, Soverign Grand Commander "Jewish" "pope" of Masonic Mafia, "Morals and Dogma - Scottish Rite of Freemasonry" Masonic bible, page 321
Quote:"All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas, whether called onam, onas, or by any other name, which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next, we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect; they shall not bind us nor have power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths. And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel." - www.JewishEncyclopedia.com, "Kol Nidre Prayer"
Quote:Iraq also has millions of Christians and Jews. This is an exaggeration. Iraq has upwards of one million christians and very few jews.
Quote:WTF? Anything that has a jew touch it at any point is infected by jew cooties?
Quote:"It's been a while -- a long damn while -- since anybody but me took ahold of my plow." -Mal, Our Mrs Reynolds wanker. Chiefly British Vulgar Slang. 1. A person who masturbates. 2. A detestable person. —Dictionary.com masturbation. free safe sex with the person you love most. —Dictionary.com
Sunday, January 8, 2006 11:04 PM
FLETCH2
Monday, January 9, 2006 1:42 AM
Monday, January 9, 2006 1:56 AM
Monday, January 9, 2006 4:28 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Monday, January 9, 2006 10:31 AM
LIMINALOSITY
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: He's creating such a paranoid hash that nobody will ever credit ANY conspiracy theory EVER.
Monday, January 9, 2006 6:55 PM
Monday, January 9, 2006 7:14 PM
Monday, January 9, 2006 8:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by citizen: Yeah, I’ve never signed on to the dole myself, but I’m curious as to how that is a contract of slavery? By those criteria surely doing anything other than living in the wilderness and trapping your own food could be considered slavery. If I work for a company that pays me cashy money for turning up between the hours of 9 and 5 am I then a slave? How is the government pension scheme any different to a private pension, accept it could be cheaper because it’s not run for profit? "Town hall bureaucrats are to be given sweeping new powers to investigate homes for identity card evasion and to impose heavy fines on occupants found without one. It will stiffen resolve at Westminster to oppose the Identity Cards Bill, which is due before the House of Lords again next week." -London Telegraph, "No identity card? You could be fined £2,500," January 6, 2006
Quote:I assume you don’t mean nuked, and I’m fairly sure the IRA weren’t MI6. Even if the IRA and the 7/7 bombings were a government plot I’d of thought it would have been perpetrated by MI5.
Quote:As for taxes we pay between 25% and 40% depending on earnings (tax bracket). Because the British public accept slightly higher taxes in return for many more services, you know like health care for all instead of letting those that can’t pay die in a gutter, doesn’t mean we’re docile.
Quote:How many Americans marched on Washington to protest the Iraq war? How many sometimes violent mass demonstrations are there against any law passed by Congress, because we have them over here?
Quote:"Prime Minister Tony Blair should be 'impeached' over the war in Iraq, a former top British soldier has said." -BBC News, "Impeach Blair over Iraq, says general," January 8, 2005
Quote:The Queen isn’t officially the richest woman in the world
Quote:Plus the queen and the royal family do pay tax.
Quote:As for Diana, fk the self serving media whore bitch. I care even less about her than I do about the rest of the royal family. Now there’s a fair few unanswered questions about her death, but there’s no really evidence that the royal family or the queen ordered her death. Also there would be no reason to murder her to prevent Dodi al Faed to become king.
Quote:"My husband is planning 'an accident' in my car, brake failure and serious head injury... to make the path clear for him to marry." —Diana Spencer, DAILY MIRROR, "DIANA LETTER SENSATION: 'THEY WILL TRY TO KILL ME'" Oct 20 2003 http://geocities.com/princess_diana_not_dwi "In the event that I am reincarnated I would like to return as a deadly virus in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation." —His Royal Highness Prince Philip, husband Queen Elizabeth of Britain, father-in-law of Princess Diana, from autobiography, Down to Earth: Speeches and Writings of His Royal Highness Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, on the Relationship of Man With His Environment, in chapter titled, "His Royal Virus"
Quote:Yep, I don’t like the cameras myself. The toll roads are the congestion charge which was an attempt to reduce private vehicles in extremely congested central London. But GPS doesn’t track all vehicles on the Roads. There is a proposed plan by the minister of transport to bring such a scheme in, but it’s not been well received and I really doubt it’ll get in. But then isn’t all car ownership under those criteria slavery, I’m sure even Americans pay tax on fuel..) "Government control of Communications and Transportation." -Communist Manifesto, 6th Plank, written by "Jew" Karl Marx in London, England "From 2006 Britain will be the first country where every journey by every car will be monitored. Britain is to become the first country in the world where the movements of all vehicles on the roads are recorded. A new national surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years. Using a network of cameras that can automatically read every passing number plate, the plan is to build a huge database of vehicle movements so that the police and security services can analyse any journey a driver has made over several years. The network will incorporate thousands of existing CCTV cameras which are being converted to read number plates automatically night and day to provide 24/7 coverage of all motorways and main roads, as well as towns, cities, ports and petrol-station forecourts. By next March a central database installed alongside the Police National Computer in Hendon, north London, will store the details of 35 million number-plate "reads" per day. These will include time, date and precise location, with camera sites monitored by global positioning satellites. Already there are plans to extend the database by increasing the storage period to five years and by linking thousands of additional cameras so that details of up to 100 million number plates can be fed each day into the central databank. The scheme is being orchestrated by the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) and has the full backing of ministers who have sanctioned the spending of £24m this year on equipment." -Steve Connor, London Independent, "Britain will be first country to monitor every car journey," 22 December 2005 The idea that TVs are watching you while you watch it, we are not very far off from..." -Joss W, STM DVD
Quote:Not all the guns. Weapons whose only purpose is to shoot people have been made illegal
Quote:Tony Bliar, barrister at law (MI6) Is everything to do with Britain really MI6?
Quote:Rwanda isn’t part of the British Empire. I believe the US actually has more control over the UN than anyone else. I’d like to see your evidence as to the UN troops committing this genocide.
Quote:"Many of the mass murderers were employees of the international relief agencies." -Peter Hammond of Frontline Fellowship, in "Holocaust in Rwanda"
Quote:"The Commonwealth is a voluntary association of 53 states." www.thecommonwealth.org "The Commonwealth of Nations, usually known as The Commonwealth, is an association of independent sovereign states, almost all of which are former territories of the British Empire. It was once known as the British Commonwealth of Nations or British Commonwealth. Queen Elizabeth II, who is the Head of State of 16 Commonwealth Realms, is the Head of the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth encompasses a population of approximately 1.8 billion people, making up about 30% of the world's total. The land area of the Commonwealth nations equals about a quarter of the world's land area, with Australia, Canada (the world's second-largest nation by area), and India each having more than 3.2 million square kilometers (1.2 million square miles). Since 1965 there has been a London-based Secretariat. The current (2005) Commonwealth Secretary-General is Don McKinnon, a former Foreign Minister of New Zealand." www.wikipedia.org "Mr. Speaker, now I think I've just about seen and heard everything: Kofi Annan and the United Nations being announced as joint recipients of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. I'm not saying there wasn't a time in the UN's history when it wasn't deserved. What I'm saying is I don't believe it's deserved right now. Instead, I believe that to award the UN and Kofi Annan now amounts to an insult to the millions that have died at the hands of the United Nations in recent years." -Congresswoman Cynthia McKinny, November 16, 2001 "We now know that the United States government was fully aware of the events unfolding in Rwanda. We also know that late night video-conversations were held, within Washington, DC and between New York and Washington, DC. We know that some participants in those conversations were begging and pleading, even crying that something be done to stop the carnage in Rwanda. We know that the United Nations Department of Peacekeeping Operations was fully apprised of the events as they unfolded, but more importantly, knew in advance that the genocide was being planned." -Congresswoman Cynthia McKinny, Washington, 25/03/2000
Monday, January 9, 2006 11:38 PM
CITIZEN
Quote:Originally posted by Pirate'Loonytoons'News: How many Brits still have their "Victory Gardens" to feed themselves?
Quote:I guarantee you, if Britian were invaded, OR, if British Govt nuked a British City, like it did in 7/7 London Bombings and "IRA" (MI5) bombings, then you would face a draft, for both military and civilian "service" (slavery), just like WW1 and WW2, etc.
Quote:Yes, MI5. I do mean NUKED. Pentagon has nuked USA over 1,050 times already... Israel has 400 nukes, including suitaces nukes, and has threatened to nuke Europe. NWO/MI5/MI6 could use one of Mossad's nukes to bomb England with immunity from prosecution, to blame the Arabs and expand the wars and continue Big Brother's Police State in UK.
Quote:As for British "healthcare", there are many horror stories. Remember "Jewish" Dr Shipman in Hyde ("the world's worst serial killer"), convicted of murdering his healthy patients with injections of morphine, then forging their wills. He genocided 600 patients, without other British doctors blinking an eye.
Quote:The stuff about demonstrations riots.
Quote:USA should invade City of London and liberate the British people from the tyranny of the German Queen and Tony BLiar, just like we did in Afghanistan, Iraq and Panama. We shoud put the queen and Bliar on trial just like Noreiga and Saddam, find them guilty, then execute them, as allowed by current law.
Quote:Your bias is showing. Diana was reportedly pregnant with an Arab heir to the throne to compete with William and Harry. Dodi would never have any ancestral claim to the throne.
Quote:She also wanted to ban landmines, which goes against the NWO genocide program.
Quote:She was making the Satanic royals look like human beings instead of gods, which is blasphemy punishable by death.
Quote:British Empire
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:29 AM
Quote:"There is no news, only the truth of the signal. There's the puppet theatre, the parliamentary jesters, the somnolent public... They can't stop the signal! They can never stop the signal!" -Mr Universe, STM, Pirate TV somnolent. Drowsy; sleepy. Inducing or tending to induce sleep; soporific. In a condition of incomplete sleep; semicomatose. -American Heritage Stedman's Medical Dictionary
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:27 AM
Quote: PN Paragraph 1: Yes, it's hard to not get suckered into the slave contracts. How many Brits still have their "Victory Gardens" to feed themselves? Our generation is fat, lazy and stubid, compared to our parents, or so they tell us. How many people know how to own their own business - with the benefit of paying zero taxes (GO MAL!)? How many people know how to cure their own diseases without going to a Death Camp, er, hospital? How many people know how to generate their own electricity or grow their own fuel for vehicles? How many people have ever owned a gun for self defense (GO MAL!)? How many people can argue their own case in court - and win? How many people know how to turn on the TV and drink a beer while sitting on their ass?
Quote:PN, P.2,3,4 "Pension" programs run by Gangsta Govt or private corporations pay you only 10% of the pension you would get if YOU took charge of your own investments. It's just a Ponzi Scheme designed to rob you, since most people will die before they collect a pension check. Many industries are losing all pensions, such as steel mills, automotive manufacturers, airlines, etc. Learn the "Rule of 78s" to calculate how much your pension should be worth, compared to what the govt or private pension actually might pay you. $70-trillion/year is looted from govt CAFR pensions in USA, with Bush Gang looting $4.5-trillion from Pentagon's civilian CAFR pensions since 2001, according to Congressional testimony by neoCon "Jew" Sir Donald Rumsfeld Knight of the British Empire, grilled by Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. VIDEO: Rummy admits $4.5-trillion "missing":
Quote:PN p.5 Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports: Gangsta Govt in towns, counties, utilities, states, universities, and feds keep 2 sets of books, and only tells the sheeple about "expenses", but keeps its Wall Street profits Top Secret, and loots that profit like the Mafia loots a union pension fund as their personal ATM ("Other People's Money" = OPM). European elites do the same thing to its slaves, but presumably use a different name for CAFR:
Quote: Gangsta Govt Ponzi Scheme "Jew" Sir Donald Rumsfeld Knight of the British Empire
Quote:like the Mafia loots a union pension fund
Quote:PN P.6 I guarantee you, if Britian were invaded, OR, if British Govt nuked a British City, like it did in 7/7 London Bombings and "IRA" (MI5) bombings, then you would face a draft, for both military and civilian "service" (slavery), just like WW1 and WW2, etc.
Quote:PN P.7 Yes, MI5. I do mean NUKED. Pentagon has nuked USA over 1,050 times already... Sir Donald Rumsfeld "Jewish" Knight of the British Empire worked hard to sell Iran nuclear bombs (and North Korea), in order to blame them later, no matter who sets off a nuke... Just like Rummy gave WMDs to Saddam. Israel has 400 nukes, including Russian suitcase nukes, and has threatened to nuke Europe. NWO/MI5/MI6 could use one of Mossad's nukes to bomb England with immunity from prosecution, to blame the Arabs and expand the wars and continue Big Brother's Police State in UK. 100s of Israeli Mossad terrorist bombers have been arrested in USA since 9/11/2001, then released without trial by the Israeli citizen who Bush promoted to direct US Dept of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, a "Jew" born in Communist Czechoslovakia.
Quote:Michael Chertoff, a "Jew" born in Communist Czechoslovakia.
Quote:Extrapolate that conspiracy to the London train bombings on 7/7/2005, with bombs planted UNDER trains
Quote:[rant]
Quote:When I lived in England in USAF, I was poisoned by US Gangsta Govt and denied medical cure by USAF "socialized medicine", as were British Gulf War soldiers. Now I'm disabled without medical insurance, my govt med insurance was cancelled, and I'm "uninsurable" for all future medical insurance. LUCKY ME! Now I don't have to pay to go to medical Death Camps to get iatrogenocided to death. I just buy my antibiotics from Mexico, since no US soldiers or veterans, nor US citizens, are allowed the antibiotic cure for so-called "Gulf War" maycoplasma infection (doxycycline), which is also the standard cure for arthritis, cancer and all viral infections (all viruses have a mycoplasma coating). Europe is in the same boat.
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:32 AM
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:45 AM
Quote:Just bend over for your vaccine and be a good slave.
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:54 AM
FARAMOND
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SergeantX: Fruity Oaty Bars - Don't do it! SergeantX "Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:38 AM
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:49 AM
Quote:(October 26, 1999) The House passed the Global Internet Tax Freedom Act by a vote of 423 to 1 on October 26. The resolution calls for a permanent moratorium on global Internet e-commerce tariffs, a ban on multiple, discriminatory, and special Internet taxes, and a condemnation of the U.N. proposal that nations impose a bit tax. Related Pages Cox-Wyden Resolution. Summary of Bills Pertaining to Internet Taxation in the 106th Congress. House Concurrent Resolution 190, which is known informally as the Global Internet Tax Freedom Act, was introduced in the House on September 30 by Rep. Chris Cox (R-CA).
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by piratenews: Quote:Originally posted by rue: Quote:All Bush needs is to wave the flag, say 'America!' and people goose-step right behind. Waving "US" flags manufactured in Commie China...
Quote:Originally posted by rue: Quote:All Bush needs is to wave the flag, say 'America!' and people goose-step right behind.
Quote:All Bush needs is to wave the flag, say 'America!' and people goose-step right behind.
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:14 AM
Quote:(October 26, 1999) The House passed the Global Internet Tax Freedom Act by a vote of 423 to 1 on October 26. The resolution calls for a permanent moratorium on global Internet e-commerce tariffs, a ban on multiple, discriminatory, and special Internet taxes, and a condemnation of the U.N. proposal that nations impose a bit tax. ....etc., etc. You are very well spoken. Thanks for your civility. I'm sorry if I woke a nightmare; this is my first day on the site, and I was catching up. As for the USA comments, I am an American, 'tis true, and I don't like what the past, oh, eight administrations have been doing, 'tis also true, and I think we may be saying the same things from two ends of the spectrum. Oppression is the way of those in power. My belief, and I believe History backs me up on this, is that there is no one evil empire...more or less everybody's a big jerk; every civilization has stuck it to some other civilization, 'cept maybe the Eskimos, 'cause it's too goran cold up there to oppress, but they do kill whales, I guess.... I'm too rutting tired [I'm adding these cute little fireflyisms in here, isn't that precious?]of defending my gender or culture, because I think those issues are downstream issues and don't really get at the core of things. I'd "defend" my race, except I don't believe there are different races, just the human race doing all the stinky and cool things that humans have always done, regardless of earlobe size or melanin content. And, regarding the tax: nothing ever dies, it just gets run through again. The proverb says, "A dog returns to his vomit." also, "Beaurocracy is like a septic tank; the really big chunks float to the top." Anyway, I agree with y "Veritas vel ad nex."
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Lim, It's more like a computer virus that jams the signal at those coordinates. Of course this means it's very easy to see where it is, just not what's going on there. This lends credence to PN's homo-child sacrafice molochfest theory. I just want to update this tally (China aquisitions)
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Faramond: You look at the increasing need of our governments to monitor everything about our lives, to control everything, and this is why we see truth in Serenity. What did the teacher say to the young River about "...teach[ing] them how [to think]"? They want to "program" us to become sheep because sheep don't ever think long enough to question why they're on the block. For more on the subject, read the book "For Reasons of National Security" by Cathy O'Brien I believe Firefly/Serenity to be not just top-knotch fiction, but important and timely. Our times, our situations, are more than a little similar. Unfortunately. God help us all in our own valley. "Your failure to be informed doesn't make me a wacko"
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:11 PM
Quote:Derren Brown was born in Croyden in 1971. It was a difficult birth: his mother was in Devon at the time.
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:14 PM
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by citizen: Lim: Sub-conscious manipulation can't push you to do things that you consider wrong. ACTUALLY... the "Frankfort School" came up with "cognitive dissonance" specifically to screw up your conscience, to get you to practice violationg your sense of right and wrong. So the end result is that they manipulate you into doing whatever it is they want you to do without that whole "morality" thing getting in the way. That's why the Operative is so concerned with Malcolm Reynolds; he has an axe to grind, and, though he is a criminal, he's got a case history of trying to right wrongs, much like, say, Batman. Or Sir Thomas More. These types of people muck it all up for those who wish to perpetrate their....shenanigans. And they go to extreme lengths. "....also, I can kill you with my brain."
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:32 PM
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:49 PM
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:58 PM
Quote:Thanks DT, computer virus obscuring Cheney's house is an interesting thought, which leads to thoughts of the possibility of other vectors for the poisoning of the masses (which I had considered and discarded as being just too paranoid). I like plenty of proof to avoid jumping to contusions, so I'll tuck those thoughts away in the 'yuck file' for now. I'm not on board with the child sacrifice fest, though maybe that party is at Rummy's house.
Quote:Nice full-on China rant.
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:08 PM
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by citizen: Sub-conscious manipulation can't push you to do things that you consider wrong.
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:59 PM
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Faramond: The official Frankfort School term for this, according to the modern Hegelian dialectic is "cognitive dissonance." It's also why the US press covers so much about hurricanes, avian flu and "global warming"; it's designed to make the populous fearful and panicky, and a panicky herd is easily manipulated.
Quote:"Ask your doctor about Darnitol" --hey, you know, I'm not even sick, so why am I asking my doctor about anything.
Quote:I also heard an "expert" talking about the flashing lights on television inducing hypnotic effects. I'm not sure I agree with him, but at the same time, TV, like movies, for me is almost a physical addiction that I get.
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by liminalosity: I do know that I'm not inclined to rob a bank with this sort of a push, unless I'm already inclined to rob banks. That would be a pretty big leap for most people, but things can change when there is heavy exposure to an idea, and multiple forms of conditioning.
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: It wasn't a random guess about Cheney. I read that in some news item about how it was done, written from a computer curiosity perspective. So I'm not guessing.
Quote:"Team Evil" which includes Bush, Cheney, et al. (minus Condi, Powell, and those firees like O'Neill, Whitman etc.) and on the democrat side contains Joementum, the Benator, DiFi, Hillary (and possibly Kerry, Reid, and some others) But Lieberman, Nelson, Feinstein and Clinton comprise the gang of four, like the horsemen of the apocalypse or something.
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:18 PM
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by piratenews: My own wife was Oding on diet sodas at work in a restaurant, and ended up in an ambulance on several occasions. One sip of diet soda was all it took to trigger a heart attack. The cardiologist said he would amputate her pacemaker cells, "as he does for young women all the time", but I got her to just give up diet sodas. Now she's cured.
Quote:Moral of the story, don't drink diet sodas while watch flashing lights on TV.
Quote:Aspartame also contains formaldehyde and methyl alcohol
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:07 PM
Quote: Create an e-annoyance, go to jail Declan McCullagh CNet January 10 2006 Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime. It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity. In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small favors, I guess. This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet, is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison. "The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else." Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy." To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan: to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure. The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16. There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House approved in September had radically different wording. It was reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm." That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely annoying someone be illegal? There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are. Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to send e-mail describing corruption in local government without worrying about reprisals. In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed. That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't file charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial discretion is hardly reassuring.) Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site, says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane postcards through e-mail could be imperiled. "Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein said. He added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States Post Office, do you have to reveal your identity?" Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But the courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so Annoy.com didn't have to worry. "I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday. "I would fight it on First Amendment grounds." He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple point, but the First Amendment protects our right to write something that annoys someone else. It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a 1995 case involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing anonymous political pamphlets. If President Bush truly believed in the principle of limited government (it is in his official bio), he'd realize that the law he signed cannot be squared with the Constitution he swore to uphold. And then he'd repeat what President Clinton did a decade ago when he felt compelled to sign a massive telecommunications law. Clinton realized that the section of the law punishing abortion-related material on the Internet was unconstitutional, and he directed the Justice Department not to enforce it. Bush has the chance to show his respect for what he calls Americans' personal freedoms. Now we'll see if the president rises to the occasion. Fair Use per 17 USC 107 http://news.com.com/Create%2Ban%2Be-annoyance%2C%2Bgo%2Bto%2Bjail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html www.whitehouse.gov/news/ January 5, 2006 President Meets with Current & Former Secretaries of State and Defense Video In Focus: Renewal in Iraq President's Remarks at U.S. University Presidents Summit on International Education Video In Focus: Education President Signs H.R. 3402, the "Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act of 2005" Read legislation full text: www.thomas.loc.gov H.R.3402 Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act of 2005 (Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate) http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109g2JDt0:: SEC. 113. PREVENTING CYBERSTALKING. (a) In General- Paragraph (1) of section 223(h) of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 223(h)(1)) is amended-- `(C) in the case of subparagraph (C) of subsection (a)(1), includes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet (as such term is defined in section 1104 of the Internet Tax Freedom Act (47 U.S.C. 151 note)).'. SEC. 114. CRIMINAL PROVISION RELATING TO STALKING. (a) Interstate Stalking- Section 2261A of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows: `Sec. 2261A. Stalking `Whoever-- `(1) travels in interstate or foreign commerce or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or enters or leaves Indian country, with the intent to kill, injure, harass, or place under surveillance with intent to kill, injure, harass, or intimidate another person, and in the course of, or as a result of, such travel places that person in reasonable fear of the death of, or serious bodily injury to, or causes substantial emotional distress to that person, a member of the immediate family (as defined in section 115) of that person, or the spouse or intimate partner of that person; or `(2) with the intent-- `(A) to kill, injure, harass, or place under surveillance with intent to kill, injure, harass, or intimidate, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person in another State or tribal jurisdiction or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States; or `(B) to place a person in another State or tribal jurisdiction, or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, in reasonable fear of the death of, or serious bodily injury to-- `(i) that person; `(ii) a member of the immediate family (as defined in section 115 of that person; or `(iii) a spouse or intimate partner of that person; uses the mail, any interactive computer service, or any facility of interstate or foreign commerce to engage in a course of conduct that causes substantial emotional distress to that person or places that person in reasonable fear of the death of, or serious bodily injury to, any of the persons described in clauses (i) through (iii) of subparagraph (B); shall be punished as provided in section 2261(b) of this title.'.
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:32 PM
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Hmm, but how will they know who I am if I don't post who I am?
Quote:Fortunately for us, we don't live in a socialist state, a theocracy or a monarchy, but a constitutional state which has a judicial branch. This means that any law which is unjust can be contested, and this looks like a law which would definitely not stand up under scrutiny.
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:12 PM
Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Faramond: The whole situation with River Tam is an obvious call to the CIA's MK Ultra mind control project involving a combination of torture, rape and psychotropic drugs in order to fragment the mind, started in the 50's and continued on beyond the eighties. The end result, oddly enough, is almost dead-on River Tam, a 75 pound little girl with a photographic memory able to kill people with her bare hands, except that River is fiction, and this stuff actually happened. For more on the subject, read the book "For Reasons of National Security" by Cathy O'Brien "Your failure to be informed doesn't make me a wacko"
Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:50 AM
Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by citizen: Saints and ministers of grace defend us from schitzophrenic Americans who think it's worth filling lawsuits for everything. A birds just shat on your car, PN, better go sue it.
Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:09 AM
Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fletch2: We covered Iran/Contra, but only from the POV of Reagan's culpability. As far as I'm aware nobody ever suggested that Bush was involved.
Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fletch2: So trying to translate back into normal people language. 1) You had a car repossessed?
Quote:2) You live in a country with weak insurance regulation and then wonder why they refuse your claims?
Quote:3) You were stopped driving without a licence, and sentenced to 30 days, which you feel is unfair because you have a God given right to drive?
Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Pirate'Misses the point completely'News: Quote:Originally posted by citizen: Saints and ministers of grace defend us from schitzophrenic Americans who think it's worth filling lawsuits for everything. A birds just shat on your car, PN, better go sue it. Spoken like a true slave.
Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by citizen: But while we're on the subject I'm at a loss to explain how you think drawing a court case that will either be thrown out of court as frivolous, lost, or very unlikely won, but either way no one will hear about, makes you less of a slave than someone who takes part in a massive public demonstration that appears in national news?
Quote:What I also don't understand is the attitude that driving is a right, not a privilge, but access to health care is a privilige, not a right?
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