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Originally posted by rue:
Yes, she's one of those Democratic demons that attack other countries without cause, bomb two into the stone age, and ... oh wait, wrong party.

That she's not Bush & Halliburton is a strong recommendation. But it's all she's got.

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I think she's better than Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice (I don't she's an active sociopath) but probably worse than McCain.

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Yes, she's one of those Democratic demons that attack other countries without cause, bomb two into the stone age, and ... oh wait, wrong party.

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That she's not Bush & Halliburton is a strong recommendation. But it's all she's got.

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2004 was my first election (I know, I'm an infant), and I was reduced to choosing the lesser of two evils.

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Would interns be safe w/ her in the White House?

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And I truly don't believe Vince Foster was murdered.

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Hillary killed Foster to prevent him from destroying the power base which they had. It was one of those classic stories, three people make a pact to take over, and two people later decide to kick the third person out because, well, he wasn't evil enough. So

Hillary decided that Vince was going to testify against her, and the whole empire would come crumbling down. I don't know if she was sleeping with him at the time, but she had been, while Bill had been out and about making the prostitution rounds. I posted

something to the forum about this and someone said 'oh, he committed suicide.' In case you believe that, here are some pieces of info about the case:

1. Vince Foster was found in the forest where he had been descibed as having no major physcial trauma, such as a gunshot wound to the head, that he was supposed to have died of, or any powder burns.
2. The crew that found the body noted that there were no cameras available, recorded this fact in the report, yet later, pictures appeared.
3. The pictures showed A man, face not visible, and identified in writing as Foster, lying in the leaves with a gun in his hand.
4. In the pictures, leaves are in the wrong season, and the man holds the gun in his right hand, in spite of the fact that he had just shot himself, and would have dropped the gun by muscle reflex.
5. Vince Foster was left-handed.

Strangely, Bill and Hillary Clinton called the corner's office and the death was immediately ruled a suicide before an autopsy could be performed, and they then blocked an investigation into Foster's death. Odd behavior for life-long friends. The sort of this you might do if you had actually killed the man. I really racked my brain, and I can't come up with any other circumastance to explain the series of events that took place which wouldn't be really flakey and unrealistic. Also, my brother, a lawyer and a really smart guy, had reviewed the case files, and he's a democrat, voted for Clinton, and is vehemently opposed to conspiracy theories in general, and he was convinced that she had killed him.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
1. Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster, her longterm friend, partner in crime, and extra-marital lover, murdered in cold blood to protect her ambition. I am as certain of this as I am of anything.

2. From the character perspective, this tells you everything you need to know. This is a woman whose ambition knows no bounds, and hears no voice of reason. She is completely devoid of a moral compass.

3. It might interest people to know that it was Hillary who hired Monica, and that according to Bill Clinton's own driver, and backed up independently by a member of his own security detail, Clinton had over a hundred women, hookers and sex-subjects. Initially they tried to keep this from Hillary, but it became clear that she didn't care. While this may seem like not that big a deal, it does tell you something curious about her, and it also lets you know that she knew that this was going to happen when she hired Monica, which may indicate that she hired Monica to keep Bill busy.

4. I want to add a detail of speculative theory here. Since Hillary did not care how many women Bill slept with, but she did hire Monica, most likely to keep him busy, that she had a vested interest in Bill not behaving like Bill while president of the united states. If this is true, it would of course be ambition that would drive her, she did not want him to screw it up for her.

5. If it increases her personal power, even once president of the United States, Hillary would do absolutely anything.

6. Also, Hillary is part of "Team Evil" and always has been. Though some people give me flack for this, it does mean something, regardless of how evil these people are or how much power they hold, everyone on the team will always follow the team agenda.

This means:

a. Hillary will invade Iran, regardless of what transpires in between now and then.

b. Hillary will spend large amounts of the people's money making her friends rich.

c. Never listen to the voice of the actual people.

7. Joss ***HATES*** her. He really really does. I've never seen anyone in a TV show that was a demon that was so obviously an actual person as an intentional attack as the whole Bruckner thing.

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I think she's better than Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice (I don't she's an active sociopath) but probably worse than McCain.

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For my part, I think she is worse than Dick Cheney, who, afterall, ownly shot someone inadventently.

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Yes, she's one of those Democratic demons that attack other countries without cause, bomb two into the stone age, and ... oh wait, wrong party.

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Rue, Rue, Rue, Rue, Rue...

Okay, how do I break this sad news.

1. It *is* the democrats, historically, who bomb countries into oblivion. Need I remind you about Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq (Clinton), Serbia, Haiti. We (Republicans) are the party that bombs *Iraq* into the ground, specifically, no one else ;)

But seriously, a historical check will show you that pre-W, the democrats are, and have always been, far more warlike that the GOP. The only GOP military actions tend to be light and quick. The longest being the Civil War (the major exception) and Nixon's continuation of Vietnam, but even that was much less combative, much lower casualties. I firmly believe that Nixon, if elected in 1960, (wasn't he?) would never have gone into war in Vietnam. I can't blame him for not knowing how to handle a quagmire that he inherited. I don't envy the person who inherits our mess in Iraq.

And Rue,

I hope you're still reading...

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That she's not Bush & Halliburton is a strong recommendation. But it's all she's got.

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But she IS!

Cheney was, and still is, a personal friend of the Clintons. This is why we are in this mess. The Govt.-Mil-Haliburton merger was not put together by George W. Bush, it was put together by Bill Clinton. Clinton is Bush, and Bush is Clinton, because they are all Cheney, with the possible option that they are all Hillary-Cheney (There's a scary slash.)

Hillary is Bush.

I think that Joss' attack on Hillary Clinton did not begin with Bruckner. I think that Hillary was Glory, or Glory was Hillary, and that was the point of Ben is Glory. I know this because I have laid the groundwork for people in real life many times of how Bush is Clinton, and they get it, and say 'Oh, I get it' and then later, it's like it never happened. I think I told my mom several times about it, and she'd get it, and then she'd revert later to 'If only we could get a democrat in.' A few weeks ago I was talking to her and she said "Oh, I was just reading something online, and I came to a realization: Bush is Clinton." I felt like I was in a Spike/Xander moment.

Anyway, to what degree this is true, you must decide for yourself, but I'm telling you right now, keep an eye out for this one:

Ben is Glory, Glory is Ben. Bush is Clinton, Clinton is Bush.

There's not one Bush policy I cna think of that Clinton didn't try to put into effect, that I have any reason to suspect that Hillary wouldn't continue.

Plus, there are Democrat flaws you have to consider. Bush basically has a failing, or that is to say, Cheney who is Cheney, has a flaw. Okay, he has many, but one that really matters:

He's a coward.

This is the real story of the hunting. Cheney lost it because he thought he was in 'Nam. I mean, he went on a hunt where the hunters *drive* to the prey which has had it's wings clipped and was pen-raised. This is a man who is afraid of life. This is a man to whom a sporting event of bird torture which is completely rigged in his favor causes him to panick and shoot his friend.

Because Cheney is a coward, he under-attacked Iraq. For this, the whole world should be thankful. If Cheney had been Kerry, he would have killed millions of Iraqis instead of 30,000 (Iraq Body Count's number.) He would have done this by going into it whole hog, instead of just 1.2 a hog, or a 1/4 hog, or maybe just a squiggly tail.

Hillary is not a coward. She intends to invade Iran with gusto. She's going to out-man the man. She'll have a million men on the ground, nuclear weapons, the whole 9-yards.

She'll win, sure. That's what democrats do, they win. They win wars. They do whatever they have to to win a war. If Johnson had stayed president we would have won in Vietnam.

But winning a war is a really bad idea. The Tao perspective I posted earlier is essentially that if you win a war, that's a sign you have lost yourself. You continued, when compromise was possible, when you should have stopped.

If you look at the wars we've won, the casualty cost has been absurd. My guess is that Johnson would have won in Vietnam with a 1/4 million Americans dead, and millions more Vietnamese. Truman might have won in Korea by dropping a couple of nuclear bombs on it, as he did with Japan.

Republicans, for our part, don't win wars. I guess we are more like the French than we like to admit :) I can think of two off-hand, the Civil War, an example of going too far, and Kuwait. But if Bush Sr. had been a democrat he would have pushed into Iraq. Anyway, we lost the Russian Civil War, Korea, Vietnam. Oh, we own the Spanish-American War, but again, like Kuwait, this was a small war.

Hillary will go into Iran and kill millions of people. This is probably the best reason to oppose her.

Sorry for the long rant, but you touched a nerve which is this one, which for some reason the left seems to have this notion that somehow the Democratic party is the party of peace, and republican party is the party of war. The democrats, historically, have the lion's share of war, historically, and well over 90% of the total human casualties, including the only use of nuclear weapons.

Finally, before someone comes in and says "oh republicans get the most American casualties for the Civil War" remember this: Lincoln was only president of half of the United States, and it was not he who started this war. Jefferson Davis was a democrat, and president of the other half of the United States, and he did start the war. I think we get to share this one. But certainly, for the entirety of the 20th century, the democrats far far outpaced republicans in the rush to war. Usually, a republican victory has heralded the end to the present military conflict, and of the dozen major military conflicts in the 20th century which were undertaken by the US, only one was initiated by a republican, and 9 were ended by republicans.

Bush aside. And I do take Bush aside, because I think he's really Clinton. He's Hillary Clinton to be specific.

Point of fact: Hillary Clinton, who recently said "Bush is the worst president this country has ever had." Lest you think that was anything but political posturing: Hillary herself has voted for, in favor of, almost every key policy of this administration. A curious move for someone who think's it's the worst ever policy. Not only did she vote for a war in Iraq, one in Afghanistan and the Patriot Act, but she even voted for the little piddling things like No Child Left Behind. Not only did she vote for all these policies, she actively campaigned for some of them. This is hardly surprising since they were her policies, because she's Bush.

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