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"The President's gone insane," says 9/11 dad

by Jimmy Vielkind
New York Daily News
February 20, 2006

Peter Gadiel just doesn't get it.

How, asks Gadiel, whose son James died in the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center, can a company owned by a terror-linked country get control of our nation's ports?

"I'm a lifelong Republican and I think the President's gone insane," said Gadiel, 58, who heads 9/11 Families for a Secure America.

Two of the 19 9/11 hijackers were citizens of Dubai, the Arab emirate whose bid to run ports in New York, New Jersey and four other cities was okayed by the White House even though investigators have found signs that money used to finance terrorism flowed through Dubai banks.

"How the hell could this happen?" fumed Bill Doyle, 58, a retired Staten Island stockbroker whose son Joseph also died when the Trade Center fell.

"We're not securing our country in any way by selling our ports to foreigners," he said.

Gadiel and Doyle stood with Sen. Chuck Schumer (D- .Y.) yesterday at the harbor to express their outrage.

Bruse DeCell, 55, whose son-in-law died in the attacks, said that homeland security should be the highest concern when approving the activities of foreign business interests.

"This administration is putting the selling of our country on a fast track," he said. "There are a lot of loose ends that caused 9/11 to happen. I'm trying to close them."

Only 5% of the cargo containers entering U.S. ports are inspected, said Schumer, who has called for upgrades in port security for years.

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W aides' biz ties to Arab firm

New York Daily News
February 21, 2006
BY MICHAEL McAULIFF

WASHINGTON - The Dubai firm that won Bush administration backing to run six U.S. ports has at least two ties to the White House.

One is Treasury Secretary John Snow, whose agency heads the federal panel that signed off on the $6.8 billion sale of an English company to government-owned Dubai Ports World - giving it control of Manhattan's cruise ship terminal and Newark's container port.

Snow was chairman of the CSX rail firm that sold its own international port operations to DP World for $1.15 billion in 2004, the year after Snow left for President Bush's cabinet.

The other connection is David Sanborn, who runs DP World's European and Latin American operations and was tapped by Bush last month to head the U.S. Maritime Administration.

The ties raised more concerns about the decision to give port control to a company owned by a nation linked to the 9/11 hijackers.

"The more you look at this deal, the more the deal is called into question," said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who said the deal was rubber-stamped in advance - even before DP World formally agreed to buy London's P&O port company.

Besides operations in New York and Jersey, Dubai would also run port facilities in Philadelphia, New Orleans, Baltimore and Miami.

The political fallout over the deal only grows.

"It's particularly troubling that the United States would turn over its port security not only to a foreign company, but a state-owned one," said western New York's Rep. Tom Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Campaign Committee. Reynolds is responsible for helping Republicans keep their majority in the House.

Snow's Treasury Department runs the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S., which includes 11 other agencies.

"It always raises flags" when administration officials have ties to a firm, Rep. Vito Fossella (R-S.I.) said, but insisted that stopping the deal was more important.

The Daily News has learned that lawmakers also want to know if a detailed 45-day probe should have been conducted instead of one that lasted no more than 25 days.

According to a 1993 congressional measure, the longer review is mandated when the company is owned by a foreign government and the purchase "could result in control of a person engaged in interstate commerce in the U.S. that could affect the national security of the U.S."

Congressional sources said the President has until March 2 to trigger that harder look.

"The most important thing is for someone to explain how this is consistent with our national security," Fossella said.

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.It's all part of the Master Plan of the NWO to overthrow USA, just like NAFTA SHAFTA, just like giving US highways to King of Spain and Australia for GPS taxation-by-the-mile to turn your car into a TAXicab

Commie China owns US ports & Panama Canal; British Empire annexes USA; Mafia sank NY ship then hired to protect docks in WW2; Bush Gang sued under RICO Act for perping 9/11 terror massacres:

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.What do you expect when Sir George Bush Sr Treasonous Knight of the British Empire is business partners with the Saudi royal family, the British royal family, and the Bin Laden family

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
They are buying the company that already manages the port. That company is not responsable for port security, that job is the Coast Guard's

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It's just a disconnect. It's like saying that if somebody else buys your building that you have more chance of being mugged in the street. P&O are not currently running port security, the new company wont be either, it's like saying your new landlord isn't as good at solving streetcrime as your old one. Unless you sublet from Eliot Ness I don't think the facts are connected.

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Posted by, well guess:

What do you expect when Sir George Bush Sr Treasonous Knight of the British Empire is business partners with the Saudi royal family, the British royal family, and the Bin Laden family in Carlyle Group/Universal Studios/NBC News... Bush Jr's first business partner was Salem Bin Laden, brother to USAma, in ArBUSTo Oil in Texas. On 9/11/2001. Bush sr was eating breakfast with Shafig Bin Laden, brother to USAma, in Washington DC with Carlyle Group. Marvin Bush was running security at World Trade Center and Boston airport on 9/11/2001...

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
No, I don't see that it's a problem as long as security remains with the US Government.

The UAE and others in that area fly wide bodied passenger jets into NY and Chicago airports several times a week. If they wanted to hurt folks they could 9/11 probably 50 places in one day. If security is an issue I don't see that it's going to be any different.

If this is an economic question, ie American assets sold abroad that already happened P&O is a British company.

I have to ask you Jenny what you think happens to all that money that you pay these people for oil? Do you think it all goes on gold plated bath fixtures? It ends up being used to buy assets abroad even in the US. You say in effect "in exchange for your valuable oil we give you our valuable greenbacks." If later you stop them from using that money to buy things they want then those "very valuable dollars" no longer look to be so valuable. It's like scrip, a kind of fake money that some industrial robber barons used to use to pay workers back in the 1800's. It could only be used in company stores that charged higher prices for the same commodity. In the end it was outlawed. If you pay someone for a service or product you cant do that and then deny them the right to spend their money where they like.

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The issue here is whether or not Bush is a horrid enemy of America, intentionally. Objectively, Bush is hurting America, whether he means to or not, and what does it matter? Isn't rampant incompetence just as bad as actual malicious intent?]...

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I don't think that Bush and his administration are incompetent, I think 99.9% of everything they do is deliberate and planned. Their arrogance, spin, lack of ownership and respossiblity, and outright denial and, or whitewashing of incidents attest to that!

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2. They get all of their information from members of group 1. (above) Sadly, as of late, this includes Hannity and O'Reilly

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But Bush supporters are 100% lockstep spin. It's like something out of a horror flick.

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As for myself, I find it hard to find a president I agree with 100% of the time.

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I think my best matches are TR, JQA, and Coolidge. Eisenhower, Nixon are close, and Bush Sr. is pretty close (75%) Regan is probably 65% or so for me. By contrast, Bush is about 25%, probably no better or little better %wise than Clinton. Carter is probably the dem president I most approve of, maybe 40% of the time. Truman is probably 10% of so. (I agree that the Buck does stop there. And that communism was a threat.)

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You're a wee bit late. P&O have been running those ports since 1999. That's what's going on here.

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Bush has approved A Middle Eastern Company in Dubai to take over U.S Port security

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...lets just stick with Bush has approved a company in Dubai with ties to Al qaeda to take over the security of U.S ports.

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But you can't seriously be taking this position that Al Qaeda and its backers are suddenly to be trusted.

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Here's a small piece of advice: And I apologize for the crudity, but I dont know a better way to say this: Remove your head from Bush's ass. Since the only other supporters of the idea his own staff, who, everyone knows right, have corrupt deals with the buyer, are two democrats Carter and Lieberman?

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The UAE, a country I have great respect for, which is being so nice as to let us use their ports, for which we have rewarded them with this deal, in violation of US law, does not hold the appropriate status to own US ports.

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I really have to suspect the motives of anyone who solidly sides with Bush all of the time.

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My suspicions of people who support Bush all the time are that they do not think for themselves, but fall into one of the following categories:

1. They are somehow in the direct pay of the administration, or their income relies on the support of the administration's policies.

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3. They are members of a Christian lunatic fringe who believes that Bush is the ruler who overcomes, as mentioned in the beginning of the revelation of Saint John the Divine.

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And I don't mean this as an assault on you Geezer, I'm just saying, because I see it a lot. Just let go. Bush, he ain't the Messiah. He's just a bad pick for a candidate, and once you know how he was picked, you begin to doubt the whole thing, and once you doubt, you see all of the B^\\Sh*+ for what it is.

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Not sure how Dubai Ports World company has anything to do with Al Qaeda except they have both been in the same country. There have been active Al Qaeda cells in Britan, where the P&O, who currently runs the ports in question, is based. Woop.

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I disagree with Bush on a lot of stuff, but since I don't think he's evil incarnate I often get condemned as a heritic by the "everything is Bush's fault" segment here. Talk about reproductive rights, tax policy, the religious right, and see where I stand on these. I happen to agree with the Government's policy about running the ports.

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The UAE, a country I have great respect for, which is being so nice as to let us use their ports, for which we have rewarded them with this deal, in violation of US law, does not hold the appropriate status to own US ports.

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I really have to suspect the motives of anyone who solidly sides with Bush all of the time.

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Nope. Though you're not the first one to accuse me, and anyone else who doesn't hew to the "I hate Bush" dogma, of this.

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I get most of my info from the BBC World Service site, AP, local news, and the Washington Post. I wouldn't know Hannity from O'Reilly if they were standing naked in Macy's window.

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I don't mean this as an assault on you either, DT, but I believe that your stereotyper must be running on overboost with a shot of nitrous. I have no illusions about how government works, and as a Militant Agnostic I don't believe in any type of Messiah. I also don't believe in any type of Bush as Anti-Christ, which is what you and the other True Believers here spout as the Revealed Word. Perhaps you should check your own shoes for dogma doo.

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There's only one thing worth commenting about Piratejenny and this thread, and that is this....

Once again, she has it dead flat wrong. In no way, form or fashion what so ever is port SECURITY going to change hands here in the U.S.A. Only the operations are going to change hands, should this deal go through. The fact of the matter is that a Chinese company also considered taking over the business end of these ports, but decided against it. Why? Because they didn't want to deal w/ union employees. The company from the UAE plans to keep things as is, for the time being. No Arabs in control of Port Security.

Whether this deal is a good one or not, I cannot say. But one thing is utterly and completely certain.

piratejenny has her facts stone cold wrong. The rest is just mindless babble.


People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Auraptor,

This is just not true. Security would be one of the responsibilities of the company. Bush says that that would be 'overseen' by the coast guard, but that's really just in theory. In reality, it's potentially a revolving door.

Also, and this is the big issue for me, we're missing the point. All of us.

This isn't about terrorism. This company let AlQaeda in an out, sure, but the real revolving door is drugs. This whole deal is about drugs. Anyone of the republicans over here surely is aware of the Clinton drug ring, certainly team pirate knows about this, and the republicans might not know it, but Bush is in the coke biz himself, and fine, say your babble, spout your precious leader line, but I know people who went to college with him, and Bush tried to sell him coke then. Anyway, Bush/Clinton/Drugs. Bin Laden/Al Qaeda/Drugs. UAE/America/Columbia, Drugs/Drugs/Drugs. I hope this keeps it simple. Big revolving door of drugs. Whether or not you accept that Bush is in on it, this drug threat is real, and if you do accept it, then this conclusion is obvious.

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Neil Davidson, a container ports analyst at London-based Drewry Shipping Consultants, indicates "the US container port industry would be unworkable without companies controlled by foreign governments. Proposed emergency legislation by senators Hillary Clinton and Robert Menendez would prevent foreign governments from controlling US container port assets."

"Among key companies that could be barred from operating US container terminals are China Shipping, the state-owned Chinese line, which has a terminal at the Port of Los Angeles, and APL, a line based in Oakland, California, and owned by Singapore's state-owned NOL," and "There are a number of major state-owned shipping lines that have terminals in the US," Davidson notes.

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And once again, Bush is not my guy. I just happen to support the government's position on the sale of port operations to Ports World. I think that the Republicans in Congress who oppose it are playing to the xenophobia of their constituents in the run-up to the mid-term elections.

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Where's the outrage about those Godless Commies and Uber-Capitalists running our ports?

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..but the UAE's banks and shipping companies are government owned (something we apparently can't manage) and are directly responsible for supporting terrorists.

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Right here Geezer. In fact, I and a bunch of other Angelinos prevented Chinese from taking over a historic site in San Pedro in order to double their terminal size.

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Congress had something to do with it because people at my level raised a fuss. That's democracy in action I suppose. I probably would have been mildly against demolishing the old facility - but probably not enough to take action- if it had been a US shipping company. But knowing the history of COSCO and it's involvement in the Hong Kong government made the whole deal "extra crispy" and actually propelled me to "do something", even if it was only to send money to Huell Howser and write to my Congressional reps.

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And for the umptyumpth(+1) time, someone give me a link or a site showing any evidence that World Ports is supporting terrorists. Everyone here says it like it's common knowledge, but when I check the Washington Post, BBC, AP, etc., no one has anything but good to say about them.

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I think it's just gone out of their control. They (Cheney, PNAC et al) thought they were geniuses, but in reality they're just B students.

Here's just a few things off the top of my head that I think haven't gone as planned: ...

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I can’t help but suspect that this port issue is a way for Republicans to oppose Bush on a popular issue in order to gain popularity before the ’06 elections. They need to do some serious PR to keep Democrats from taking their momentum, and this is as good a start as any.

I also can’t help but suspect that there are more sinister motives at work here. More sinister than just money, or a little power. Rigorous Intuition ( http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/) has a decent recent post about it.

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Dreamy, it seems to me your basic flaw in reasoning here is assuming that their stated/commonly assumed interests coincide with their true interests, or at least the interests of those that are more influential. I've taken a more holistic approach to things like this. While it may look bad for them, if you look at the big picture (the BIG picture) you will find ways in which very important, powerful, influential, rich people will benefit. I can't accept on faith that they are the ones with the ultimate power just because they're the ones who are supposed to be. I believe that Bush has been set up for a fall. He's a scapegoat and doesn't even realize. Soon nearly everyone will "hate Bush" and we'll move on to our next scapegoat. Bush doctrine and actions looks like insanity, but it is even more disturbing when one realize it’s actually a doctrine of cold, often murderous self-interest.

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Mark Montgomery, who oversees P&O operations at the Baltimore port, said little would change after the purchase. The New Jersey native and his staff of 65 administrative employees who run the docks would remain in place, he said, same as the last time their corporate parentage changed, in 1999. He reports to bosses in New Jersey; they report to London; and after the deal, the Londoners will report to Dubai.

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Homeland Security officials, especially in Customs and Border Protection, had high regard for the company, which is owned by the government of Dubai and operates terminals in 19 ports in Asia, Europe and South America. It was the first in the Middle East to participate in a post-Sept. 11 program in which Customs agents are posted overseas to screen containers before they are loaded onto U.S.-bound ships. U.S. intelligence agencies -- who were asked on Nov. 2 for any information they had on the company -- produced nothing "derogatory" about it, Baker said.

Even so, the department had enough qualms to insist on a number of legally binding conditions for approving the deal -- a frequent CFIUS practice. The company pledged to maintain its participation in the Customs program, "and they agreed to open their books, and give us access to records, without any formal legal process," Baker said.

The department also wanted to ensure that the personnel at the U.S. terminals to be taken over by the company would remain almost entirely American. So it extracted a pledge that the company intended to keep the current management of U.S. operations in place.

At the Pentagon, meanwhile, officials were well aware of the United Arab Emirates' checkered history in combating terrorism; it was the home of two of the Sept. 11 hijackers and home of the banking system through which some of the hijackers' money flowed. But far overshadowing those concerns were the country's current role as a key U.S. ally in the Persian Gulf region, said Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon R. England, who noted at last week's hearing that more U.S. Navy ships dock at UAE ports than any port outside the United States.

Accordingly, once Dubai Ports World had agreed to the conditions required by Homeland Security, none of the agencies on CFIUS objected to the transaction when the 30-day review was completed on Jan. 17. If even one agency had objected, the matter would have gone to a 45-day investigation -- which would have required a presidential decision at the end. Moreover, a single dissent would have meant bringing the matter before higher-ranking officials in each department.

But instead, the matter stayed with assistant secretary-level officials, who told the company the transaction could go forward. Treasury officials planned to inform congressional leaders at a regularly scheduled quarterly meeting on Feb. 17. By then, however, the Associated Press had already reported a statement from the firm trumpeting its approval.

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Administration OK With UAE Running Six Major U.S. Ports
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184599,00.html

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UAE terminal takeover extends to 21 ports

UPI

A United Arab Emirates government-owned company is poised to take over port terminal operations in 21 American ports, far more than the six widely reported.

The Bush administration has approved the takeover of British-owned Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co. to DP World, a deal set to go forward March 2 unless Congress intervenes.

P&O is the parent company of P&O Ports North America, which leases terminals for the import and export and loading and unloading and security of cargo in 21 ports, 11 on the East Coast, ranging from Portland, Maine to Miami, Florida, and 10 on the Gulf Coast, from Gulfport, Miss., to Corpus Christi, Texas, according to the company's Web site.

President George W. Bush on Tuesday threatened to veto any legislation designed to stall the handover.

www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20060223-051657-4981r

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Chertoff, And Fellow Neocons, Are Behind Arab Port Deal

Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co
A 200 year-old British Company Is Sold to Arabs

The Arab Company Who Bought The British Company
It Manages Ports In Dubai

Dubai Will Control These Ports


Dubai Is A Key Mossad Center In The Mideast

What Is Going On?

A British company, Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co., who runs major commercial operations at shipping ports in New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, Miami, New Orleans and Philadelphia, has been sold to a UAE company.

The UAE Company, Dubai Port World, is state-owned, and now inherits their businesses.

Who Is involved

Lord Sterling of Plaistow, CEO of Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co., consummated the swindle, which will reward his Zionist investors with $7 billion.

Head Of Homeland Security

Michael Chertoff , who is a dual-citizen Israeli/American (born in Communist Czechoslovakia), ok's the deal (while leaving US borders wide-open to 100-million illegal alien terrorists).


Jew Lenin and Jew Chertoff - Separated at Birth?

Bob Dole

Dole, the 85 yr old ex-speaker, was a lobbyist for Dubai in this deal.
www.rawstory.com/news/2005/Former_Senate_chief_Dole_hired_to_0222.html

What Is The Scheme?

The core of the deal is a stock swindle. A group of Zionist stockholders inflated the stock price 300%, then sold it to the citizens of the UAE for $6.8 billion. Basically all the Arabs get are ‘Port Service Contracts’, and some marginal loading equipment

P&O the British company, that has been running six U.S. ports, is now a state-owned business in the United Arab Emirates.

Actual Value

P & O's profit from their port operation was $153 million pounds. PE's run between 5 and 15, so Dubai should have paid $765 million to $2.2 billion.

Why An Arab Country?

Port managers are a dime a dozen. You have 10 in the US, and there are others in Japan, China, Australia, etc.

These are political contracts worth a fortune, and are the reason $60,000 a year politicians have fat Swiss bank accounts.

Neocons Take An Odd Stance

These are the same Bush Neocon/Zionist Advisors, who bombed Iraq to the stone age because Saddam was evil. They told us, 'They are bad, and we are good', but today the Zionists are 100% behind this port deal.

Who Are These People ?

These are Neo-Cons (new conservatives), and they are all Dual Citizen Israelis. Not a single one served in the US armed forces. They basically are a lobby that pushes for Israeli-oriented bills.
www.propagandamatrix.com/180903neocons.html

All these men are Zionist warmongers, who adore and obey Israel, and who view America chiefly as Israel's financial sugar daddy and mercenary slave. Their aim is global power for the Zionist elite, and profits for Zionist bankers and Illuminati-directed oil barons. They seem to have no problem if stacks of bloody young American fighting men mount up in Iraq, Iran, and Syria. The dead, after all, are valueless.

Their Real Goal

This port deal creates a patsy for the coming nuclear attack on America.

This Is Quite The Scam

Zionists skin the citizens of Dubai for $7 billion, and then set them up as fall-guys for a nuclear attack. Bush tells 300 million Americans: - "We must not discriminate against Arabs".

We just sit here talking about H-3's, ball games, and the value of our 401-k's, while Zionists plan a total economic collapse.

Click link for all photos, graphics and footnotes to this crime:
www.judicial-inc.biz/arab_port_deal.htm

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Port fiasco is a fraud

From: "Peter Herberg" - pherberg@cox.net

The Dubai Ports deal or Portgate as it is now called in the media has captured the attention of the world due to the nature of the buyer. But no one appears to be looking at who the current owner/manager of the ports is ... until now. The evidence is disturbing , if not shocking, but with the current Skull and Bones skeletocracy that rules us it is NOT SURPRISING.

The Evidence:

1. Current Company known as P & O or The Peninsular and Orient Steam Navigation Company ... www.red-duster.co.uk/PANDO.htm.

2. Largest shareholder is - Schroeder Investment Management LTD ... www.uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=PO.L

Who is Schroeder?

3. German ancestry bank with roots in the UK for 200 years ... www.schroderfunds.com/history.asp

4. Bruno Schroder is a billionaire and main man at present.
8th richest man in the UK ... www.news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/316653.stm.

5. Connected to Hitler ... www.cephas-library.com/nwo/federal_reserve_chapter_7.html &

6. Connected with Rockefellers and Prescott Bush in helping Third Reich get its start ... www.thirdworldtraveller.com/Fascism/Trading_Enemy_excerpts.html.

7. Baron Kurt Von Schroder ran a cash-cow ATM for Heinrich Himmler ... www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3203plot_v_fdr.html. There may have been a plot then to assassinate President Roosevelt.

8. The Dulles brothers were lawyers for the Bank. Allen Dulles became head of the CIA ... www.cassiopaea.org/cass/cosmic_cointelpro_1933.htm.

9. Law firm that represented Dubai Ports responsible for saving Schroder family from imprisonment as 'enemy aliens' during WWI ... www.slaughterandmay.com/about_us/history.asp?loneparent=2&grandparentI
d=1

The firm, Slaughter and May, has recently represented Dubai Ports - is it above issues dealing with perceived or possible conflicts of interests?

10 Slaughter and May Dubai Ports World. Google/dogpile .. Slaughter May Dubai Ports. Slaughter and May are part of the "Magic Circle" of UK law firms.

11. www.skallawwag.blogspot.com/2004/11/who-are-magic-circle-firms.html .

12. Schroder loves the banking climate in the Cayman Islands ... www.offshore-resources.com/banks/3066.htm

13. Marvin Bush has been tied into a company that provided
'security' for the WTC on 9/11 and to a company with numerous business addresses in the Cayman Islands ... www.winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?24045

14. Cayman Calling - article says 75% of Hedge fund industry is in the islands ... www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=37546&hotopic=1

15. Many interesting people are involved in Cayman registered companies including a partnership between Pat Robertson and Liberia's al qaeda friendly cannibal dictator Charles Taylor ... www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3944/is_200302/ai_n9191049#contin
ue.

16. Citigroup now has a big piece of Schroders ... www.citigroup.com/citigroup/corporate/history/schroder.htm

17. Largest Shareholder in Citigroup is a Saudi multi billionaire illuminati Prince. The Prince has a lebanese mother and the Baathist regime in Damascus wants him to be Lebanon's puppet president. SYRIA AS YOU KNOW IS ON THE STATE DEPARTMENT LIST OF TERROR SUPPORTING GOVERNMENTS ... www.meib.org/articles/0209_med1.htm

Conclusion: The entire port fiasco is a fraud. We have Dubai Princes own our ports or we have a nazi/saudi/baathist-friendly consortium run our ports.

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can you stick with the topic, and not try to make this about something it isn't , my guess is you've been listening to Oxycotin Limbaugh and Hannity's talking points all day long, lets just stick with Bush has approved a company in Dubai with ties to Al qaeda to take over the security of U.S ports, I know this is the kind of thing you support, ( you probably think this will make the rapture happen or something)

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just wanted to point something out: Dubai is not a country. It's a corporation based out of the United Arab Empirates.

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This is not technically true. I know someone who works for Dubai. The structure of the UAE is different from that of other govts.
In most of the world before the modern era, nations were almost all the size of delaware or new jersey. If you couldn't send men and horses to defend in an instant, it was out of your kingdom. Then large nations were set up usually as colonies by conquering powers. The Vikings, Ghengis Khan, the Roman Empire, etc., set many of these up.

The UAE is different in that it allows its member countries to remain in tact as political entities, it's just basically a defense alliance. So, actually, Dubai is a country, a kingdom, a nation state, just not one recognized by anyone but the UAE, *BUT* the UAE in turn is recognized by everyone else, so the effect is the same. The company Dubai Ports World, is actually a branch of the government of Dubai.

Dubai is not a top ranked national ally, and it's not the United States of America, or any part of it, so that should end the discussion. In fact, that is *ALL* that the discussion should be about.

The ports of the US are the responsibility of the US, actually, they are the responsibility of the States, and there's a major state's rights issue here.

The ports in New York and New Ark were controlled and owned by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the company which also own the World Trade Centers. It shares a similar ambiguous relationship with the govt. of NY, and if it controlled ports on the arabian peninsula, and they complained, I would think that they had a point. I think they have a point when countries complain about US firms shipping oil out of their countries without due compensation. But if the Federal govt of the United states came in and said "Port authority can't run these ports, we're taking over" people would be up in arms and rightfully so. But there would be no security risk, hopefully. If they then said "We're giving it to our top ranked ally Japan" people would be more upset, but they would know that realistically, Japan is at least as trustworthy as their own govt. But if they said "We're giving it to Madagascar" people would say "WTF?" and yet, Madagascar, though it might not be as secure, would not have direct links to Al Qaeda. If they said "We're giving it to Saudi Arabia" they would say "But but but" and you would have to prove the lack of connections to Al Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks. The case here is not even an independent company in Dubai, but the govt. owned company, the same govt. owned company on whose property the specific Al Qaeda terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 operated, with assitstance from people within that organization, knowing assistance including according to our own CIA, that they notified Osama bin Laden that we were looking for him and about to find him and that he should leave and hide. So, on a grand scale, from the point of view of the people of NY, the port authority of NY and NJ owner of the WTC, and the people who actually attacked them, how about a big NO WAY. and I'll throw in a NEVER.

And it's important when the govt. of the US in the executive is attempting to create a victory for terrorism through an act of treason like this.

And, PS. I have nothing against Dubai. But reason man, think. I mean seriously. I have nothing against Russia either, a nation that had nuclear bombs pointed at our heads for decades, but I'm not about to give them control over our nuclear facilities.

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