Browncoats that think the West is on track with world politics. by chrisisall

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Chris, are you still beating your significant other?

No, in point of actual fact, she broke my leg in Aikido class some time back; I couldn't actually 'beat' her, even if I wanted to, she'd hurt me.
She's like Zoe that way.

What does that have to do with this thread; I'm missing something funny...?

Chrisisall

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Monday, April 17, 2006 12:13 PM

Wow, this is loaded thread.

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important then his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertion of better men then himself.” -- John Stuart Mill

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, April 17, 2006 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Wow, this is loaded thread.

Yeah, ain't it cool?

Travolta-like Chrisisall

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Monday, April 17, 2006 12:35 PM

Of course it's the left thats the problem. They're all a bunch of anti-war peacenik wishy washy cowardly warmongering psychopaths who are responcible for all conflicts ever who wouldn't raise a finger to defend themselves if their lives depended on it.

Capiche.

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No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

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Monday, April 17, 2006 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
anti-war peacenik wishy washy cowardly warmongering psychopaths who are responcible for all conflicts ever who wouldn't raise a finger to defend themselves if their lives depended on it.

ILLOGICAL! ILLOGICAL! PLEASE EXPLAIN. ONLY HUMANS CAN EXPLAIN THE BEHAVIOUR OF....NORMAN, CO-ORDINATE!!!

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Monday, April 17, 2006 12:56 PM

REAVERMAN

My God... PN is nowhere to be found! You'd think he'd have already jumped in and bombarded us with tales and images of atrocities the British-Commie-Nazi-Alien-Jew NWO has committed. Wow, this is nice. It's a clean thread! Almost devoid of nonsense and craziness

.

Wow, let me just take in this moment...

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Monday, April 17, 2006 1:45 PM

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Originally posted by reaverman:
It's a clean thread! Almost devoid of nonsense and craziness .

I resent that.
I put a lot of work into my nonsense.

Chrisisall

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Monday, April 17, 2006 1:47 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
ILLOGICAL! ILLOGICAL! PLEASE EXPLAIN. ONLY HUMANS CAN EXPLAIN THE BEHAVIOUR OF....NORMAN, CO-ORDINATE!!!

They also hate puppies and freedom.

Everything I say is a Lie.
Harry MuddIsAll...

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Monday, April 17, 2006 2:00 PM

DARKJESTER

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ILLOGICAL! ILLOGICAL! PLEASE EXPLAIN. ONLY HUMANS CAN EXPLAIN THE BEHAVIOUR OF....NORMAN, CO-ORDINATE!!!

Logic is a pretty flower that smells BAD!

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Monday, April 17, 2006 2:10 PM

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Originally posted by DarkJester:

Logic is a pretty flower that smells BAD!

Uhhhhh..
*deactivates, with like, fumes and such*

Irritantisall

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Monday, April 17, 2006 3:12 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Of course it's the left thats the problem. They're all a bunch of anti-war peacenik wishy washy cowardly warmongering psychopaths who are responcible for all conflicts ever who wouldn't raise a finger to defend themselves if their lives depended on it.

Alrighty, if you say so; I won't argue.

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Monday, April 17, 2006 3:58 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

no

no

yes

no

yes, including 911

no, it is going to happen

never accept any of them at their word... get the facts and make up your own mind

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

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Monday, April 17, 2006 4:16 PM

REAVERMAN

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by reaverman:
It's a clean thread! Almost devoid of nonsense and craziness .

I resent that.
I put a lot of work into my nonsense.

Chrisisall

I said almost devoid of nonsense and craziness.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Monday, April 17, 2006 5:37 PM

SASSALICIOUS

no

no

no

possibly; i'm not an economist

absolutely, though much could be avoided

it could happen. look at china.

Now to add something else, but substitute "America" for "West" in your statement: What do the following countries all have in common?

-Ireland, New Zealand, Latvia, Finland, The Philippines, Bangladesh, Mozambique, Sao Tome and Principe, Germany, Chile, Liberia, Jamaica, Argentina, Iceland, Malta, Nicaragua, Sri Lanka, Guyana, Switzerland, Panama, Indonesia, India, Israel, Central African Republic, United Kingdom, Dominica, Norway, Yugoslavia, PAKISTAN, Poland, Turkey, and Senegal?

They all currently have/in the past have had female Presidents or Prime Ministers. And the list is even longer if it includes interim heads of state (Bolivia, Haiti, Mongolia, Rwanda, Ukraine, etc) OR presently reigning monarchs/governer generals.

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Monday, April 17, 2006 5:45 PM

FLETCH2

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Originally posted by citizen:
Of course it's the left thats the problem. They're all a bunch of anti-war peacenik wishy washy cowardly warmongering psychopaths who are responcible for all conflicts ever who wouldn't raise a finger to defend themselves if their lives depended on it.

Capiche.

No you're wrong, the left are a bunch of hard core militaristic hard men that have started every war and set up every dodgy government since the Romans (leftist rabble.)

Dreamtrove's cousin's aunt told him, it's not his fault if people and dictionaries don't use words like he and his 2 friends do and besides he's researched it, even if he doesnt have time to explain that now.

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Monday, April 17, 2006 6:16 PM

Also his sister told him.

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Monday, April 17, 2006 6:31 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The reason why PN isn't here is because Geezer is standing in for him....

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Monday, April 17, 2006 8:41 PM

CALBECK

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
*Just curious as to the thinking involved in accepting Bush, or any world leader, at their word, and backing their actions, no matter how ill-concieved they may seem, without much question.

I've never been a fan of Bush. I always thought he was a mediocre candidate for the office, primarily empowered by the in-depth support network created by his daddy and Reagan. I didn't vote for him in 2000. Likewise, I didn't vote for Gore, because if anything he was even more mealy-mouthed and incapable than Bush. I put him just a tiny notch above Dan Quayle, and I'd move to Australia if Quayle ever took the Presidency.

All that said and done, Kerry and Edwards scared the bejeezus out of me in their efforts to out-scream Howard Dean. At first I thought Kerry would stick to what won him the nomination --- his ability to present himself as calm, cool, and collected. You know, "presidential timber". But then he began frothing at the mouth trying to whip the hard-left Dems into ever-higher tantrums. And succeeded.

What tore it for me is when Edwards, during the debate with Cheney, started harping on the death toll in Iraq claiming that US troops had taken 90% of all Coalition casualties. Cheney corrected him, pointing out that Iraq was now also part of the Coalition, and its nascent police and military were THE primary target of the insurrection. In the end, the Iraqis were taking FIFTY percent of the casualties.

Cheney's figures check out even with anti-war sites. Our Iraqi allies ARE the ones doing the majority of the bleeding.

But Edwards just started repeating himself over and over. He would not do the right thing and admit to not having counted Iraqi dead in his figures. And the only reason I could see that he didn't was to pump up the emotional level with false figures.

And the Dems just eat it up. These days no Democrat rally is complete without a "Bush = Hitler" sign. That's just way too extreme for me, and there doesn't seem to be anyone in the Democratic Party willing to stand up and call for cooler heads to prevail. Instead, it's become an entire party of Howard Deans, with Dean himself as the actual real-life Chairman of the party.

I'm no fan of Bush.

But the Democrats scare the HELL out of me.

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Monday, April 17, 2006 8:52 PM

RUXTON

If anyone thinks there's a nickel's worth of difference between Dems and Repubs, you're WAY behind the curve. The two parties are essentially identical, and as long as folks think they're different, we're going to get the same kind of dogpoop we've been getting from Washington, DC.

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Monday, April 17, 2006 9:16 PM

CALBECK

I concur. Unfortunately, every time I run for office as a centrist, no one is willing to get up off their ass and support me with more than "go get 'em tiger" speeches.

I've been a balloted candidate for Governor of Arizona. I was able to smack around both parties in the televised debates, ending with a literal standing ovation from the TV studio audience. But I only had $1,000 to run on because even my closest supporters wouldn't pop open their wallets.

Arizona currently has the Clean Elections Act in place, which the Repubs have been trying to destroy since its inception. It gives a state grant of over $1,000,000 to any gubernatorial candidate who refuses to take PAC funds...and who also manages to collect 4,000 signatures. The trick is that each signature must come with a $5 donation to the Clean Elections fund, and while plenty of people are willing to sign petitions for office, they aren't willing to part with the price of one damn Happy Meal.

I'd be happy to be part of a tide of new politicos fighting for public service over party loyalties. But it doesn't appear that the electorate is willing to put its money where its mouth is.

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Monday, April 17, 2006 9:48 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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Originally posted by citizen:
Of course it's the left thats the problem. They're all a bunch of anti-war peacenik wishy washy cowardly warmongering psychopaths who are responcible for all conflicts ever who wouldn't raise a finger to defend themselves if their lives depended on it.
Alrighty, if you say so; I won't argue.

Well, if the conservatives are too be believed. Add 'em all together and that's the opinion you get.

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:04 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Add 'em all together and that's the opinion you get.

So Citizen, why exactly do you always end up supporting Blair and Bush, even when you SEE them planting the seeds of The Alliance?

Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:12 AM

I don't. I also don't say Liberals are responcible for all wars one minute and are too cowardly to fight the next if that fits my purposes

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:04 AM

It's all the fault of bi-peds. Stinkin' homosapien trash.
Shoulda stayed in the trees where they belong.

*Appologies to those who believe in Intelligent Design for the evolutionary-like slur above*

*Appologies to those who hold with Evolutionary Theory for the appology above*

*Appologies to bi-peds who didn't vote for Bush or Blair*

Sorry Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:12 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The reason why PN isn't here is because Geezer is standing in for him....

But he didn't even reply to my explaining how I dont beat my SO, that seem right to you?
It seems he's asked that question of quite a few here, what's his fixation w/the idea? Does he have repressed Gitmo fever?

Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:44 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Are Bush and Blair doing their best?

I think Bush is doing not only his best, but he is doing what is best for the country and the world. Blair is an ocean away, so my opinion is tempered by distance. I think Blair is generally "spot on" with his positions supporting the US and Isreal, but not always. For example, he needs a harder line against Iran.

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Is torture at Gitmo just an understandable, if unfortunate, feature of war?

There is no torture at Gitmo. Just a few air conditioned cells, good food, prayer rugs, and every now and then some fellows in nice suits stopping by for a chat.

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Are terrorists being hunted down as best they can be, and is the protest over how the war is going in America just a fad whipped up by the left?

These are two very different questions. Terrorists are being hunted down the best they can be under the current law and political circumstances.

The protest against the war is not a fad whipped up by the left. Its very real, but has never been about the war. The anti-war movement predated 9/11 and began life as the anti-Bush movement that resulted from the fallout from the 2000 election. This movement joined forces with a number of other movements like the anti-world trade movement, CBS Evening News, the enviromentalists, PETA, Iraqi intellegence, the anarchists, MoveOn.org, and the Democratic National Committee...etc and so on. Their goal is to undermine Bush, the war is just the tool they are using.

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Is the world economy just fine, with the tempory deficits to be expected in war time?

The US economy is fine. Growth good, unemployment down. There is much more that could be done. Interest rates need to fall a bit, wages need to rise, we need reform in key sectors like health care. But compared to the failed antiquated systems in Europe, the semi-socialist slavery of China, or the corruption of Russia, we are doing great. The world economy is suffering, but mostly from local ignorance.

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Is death and destruction a natural part of on-going Human History, and nothing to be so shocked over?

Yes, more issues have been settled by death and destruction then any other method. I suggest you consult the City fathers of Carthage or the King of France for further notes on the subject (Heinlein could teach you a bit too). But yes, you should be shocked and appalled by it. War, death, violence are terrible things. Yet here we are, still flyin as a race.

America is the key you know. We invented the world's most destructive weapon, used it to end decisively history's most destructive conflict. Ever since then our mission has been to make war as rare as possible and to limit war's death and destruction as much as possible. Now when we bomb a building, the City, often the surrounding neighborhood, is sparred destruction. Battles are fought with hundreds or thousands, not tens or hundreds of thousands. Countries fall with the death of thousands, not millions. And no conquering nation has ever spent so much of its own wealth rebuilding its former enemies and hoping to turn them into friends and allies...in fact, up until the last hald century...a conquered nation was looted of the spoils of war.

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Is 'The Alliance' of Firefly just a tool for drama, and something our world could never really sink to?

You watch too much TV. Everybody knows that Kevin Costner will rule the world to come by delivering mail on his little boat to a world covered in water and populated by swimming buffalo and he'll do it because he truly loves baseball.

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*Just curious as to the thinking involved in accepting Bush, or any world leader, at their word, and backing their actions, no matter how ill-concieved they may seem, without much question.

The problem comes from the premise. Their actions are not ill-concieved and they have been very successful.

Perhaps we could add to you narrow questions, is the Democratic Party actively seeking failure in the war on terror in order to further its own political agenda? What about France, same question? Should the US use military force against Iran before or after they use nuclear weapons against Isreal or the United States? There are many questions beyond your limited imagination.

H

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:50 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Well, if the conservatives are too be believed. Add 'em all together and that's the opinion you get.

Some Conservatives, maybe. But not everyone on the Right of an argument is Ann Coulter and Dreamtrove. Although there are definitely those on the Left that do fit your description.

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:56 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
You watch too much TV. Everybody knows that Kevin Costner will rule the world to come by delivering mail on his little boat to a world covered in water and populated by swimming buffalo and he'll do it because he truly loves baseball.

Also he’ll actively enforce income redistribution with the help of various merry men.

Wow! Its 1000 on a Teusday and I'm not even dressed. I feel like Jeanine garofalo.

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:16 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:

The problem comes from the premise. Their actions are not ill-concieved and they have been very successful.

Perhaps we could add to you narrow questions, is the Democratic Party actively seeking failure in the war on terror in order to further its own political agenda? What about France, same question? Should the US use military force against Iran before or after they use nuclear weapons against Isreal or the United States? There are many questions beyond your limited imagination.

I don't see that their actions have been that sucessfull. Bin-Laden is alive. The Saudis remain our friends, even though they funded and/or facilitated (probably) 911.
Yes, the Democrats are probably eager to see the war on terror fail so they can use it, they are as miserably corrupt as Neo-Cons.
The Iranians won't use Nuclear weapons on us or Israel; we would literally vaporize them, and they know it.
That said...

I thank you, sir, for a genuinely illuminating post; I see that our differences lie mainly in perception, I see some of yours as faulty, and vica versa. I will continue to re-examine my belief system to make corrections as necessary, with assistance from other views such as yours. I feel that both our imaginations can be limited at times.

*But I still see Bush as an unintellegent, directionless lackey of the Military Industrial Complex (subject to change w/out notice).

Momentarily ad-hominem-less Chrisisall (unless 'lackey' qualifies)

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:19 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Also he’ll actively enforce income redistribution with the help of various merry men.

You are never serious, Finn

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The always-serious, never in jest Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:30 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
The Iranians won't use Nuclear weapons on us or Israel; we would literally vaporize them, and they know it.

The Iranians would never use nuclear weapons against us. But if some Muhammad al-anyfruitcakeymuslim happened to come upon a nuclear device, by accident,

and then accidentally went off in Tel Aviv, who could blame the Iranians?

One of the major criticisms that came out of the 9/ll commission is that the lack of a more active hard-line position against Afghanistan was one of possible root causes for 9/ll. I don’t know what to do about Iran either, personally, but when I see people making statements that downplay or ignore the Iranian threat based on nothing more then the assumption of what the US might do in response, I see us making the same mistakes in thinking that may have led, in part, to 9/ll.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
You are never serious, Finn.

Is this better?

Damnit, now its 1030 and I'm still not dressed. I think my XO might be pissed.

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:40 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The Iranians would never use nuclear weapons against us. But if some Muhammad al-anyfruitcakeymuslim happened to come upon a nuclear device, by accident, and then accidentally went off in Tel Aviv, who could blame the Iranians?

Again, thanks for that view, it is perfectly valid, and one I was not taking into account in my desire to be right. I need to make another correction.

Chrisisall, feeling a distinct lack of snark today

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Are Bush and Blair doing their best? - Clearly, more could be done. But more also could be done in reporting the success which have been achieved

Is torture at Gitmo just an understandable, if unfortunate, feature of war? - That's a bogus question, as the premise if bogus. There is no torture in Gitmo, only fabricatd accounts of it by a radical Left wing media. In fact, most of those serving time down there have never had it so good. I know this view rubs against what EVERYBODY has been told, but its true.

Are terrorists being hunted down as best they can be, and is the protest over how the war is going in America just a fad whipped up by the left? 0 Well, you already asked the 1st part of the question. And as for the protest against the war, much of it IS organized and whipped up by anti American/anti Capitalist groups.

Is the world economy just fine, with the tempory deficits to be expected in war time? -
Most of the US defecit isn't a result of the war, but of massive hand outs and entitlement spending. Shame on W for that. But the US economy is doing quite well.

Is death and destruction a natural part of on-going Human History, and nothing to be so shocked over? - Sadly, yes. But also, no. Yes, it's part of the human condition, and no, we should be shocked. But in regards to the war in Iraq, US led forces have done FAR more to keep innocents out of harms way than any other time in history.

Is 'The Alliance' of Firefly just a tool for drama, and something our world could never really sink to? It makes for great drama. No such Gov't form could ever rule the planet. Or planets

*Just curious as to the thinking involved in accepting Bush, or any world leader, at their word, and backing their actions, no matter how ill-concieved they may seem, without much question.
Bush is only a here for a short time. His 2 terms will be up and then he'll be out of office. Should be interesting to see what happens next. Like it was after Clinton.

Chrisisall

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:12 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Calbeck,

Dude, if you can't get 4,000 people to cough up $5 each in the internet era, there is something wrong with your message. Look at the guy who managed to trade a red paperclip for a house in ten moves.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:16 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Zero

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Is torture at Gitmo just an understandable, if unfortunate, feature of war?

There is no torture at Gitmo. Just a few air conditioned cells, good food, prayer rugs, and every now and then some fellows in nice suits stopping by for a chat.

The problem with Zero is that I can never tell if he's being funny on purpose or if he's just making a fool of himself by accident. It leaves me in a quandary. I don't know if I should laugh with him, or at him.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:18 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Are Bush and Blair doing their best (at world politics)?

Best at what? Gaining the cooperation of allies? Supporting international justice? Creating a solid majority around the world that by sheer numbers and satisfaction would reduce extremists to a small, isolated, unpopular minority? Hardly.

Is torture at Gitmo just an understandable, if unfortunate, feature of war?

Why restrict yourself to Gitmo? What about Bagram, abu Ghraib, and exported torture? But to address Gitmo - yes, there is torture there as determined by both the Red Cross and the UN. Is it understandable? If the idea is to get information, then no, torture is not understandable, as information gained by it is unreliable. Is it unfortunate? It's worse. It's counterproductive, creating more enemies than it eliminates.

a) Are terrorists being hunted down as best they can be

No. A lot of resources and freedoms are lost 'hunting down' Quakers and other ordinary Americans. Meanwhile real terrorists have been running free for years. The ICC could have had bin Laden if the US had agreed with Afghanistan to have him turned over to that court.

b)and is the protest over how the war (in Iraq?) is going in America just a fad whipped up by the left?

What protest? That it's increasingly unpopular is due to the fact the administration made too many statements that didn't come true. Mission accomplished. Hard-line Saddam loyalists will give up and crawl away once he's caught. It's all in Fallujah, we just need to clean up the town. Once they have elections all will be well. Things are getting better and better every day in every way.

a) Is the world economy just fine
In the long-term, it will not be able to go along with business as usual.

b) with the temporary deficits to be expected in war time?
You can't spend your way out of a deficit UNLESS you are investing in infrastructure. The US was running a surplus when Bush took office, EVEN WITH THAT 'HORRIBLE WASTEFUL' SOCIAL SPENDING. That quickly turned around, stunningly quickly, with the deficit due in equal part to tax breaks for the rich, and the war. The bill will come due.

Is death and destruction a natural part of on-going Human History, and nothing to be so shocked over?

Well, death is inevitable for every one of us. War is not. Whole civilizations have gone on for hundreds of years and never fought or made a war. We know that b/c they had no war gods, no heroic monuments, no armaments, no armies - in short, no material evidence of any war capability or history. So war is not inevitable, and we condemn ourselves to fear and misery if we tell ourselves it is.

Is 'The Alliance' of Firefly just a tool for drama, and something our world could never really sink to?

It already has here and there. It doesn't have to be that way, though.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Calbeck,

Dude, if you can't get 4,000 people to cough up $5 each in the internet era, there is something wrong with your message. Look at the guy who managed to trade a red paperclip for a house in ten moves.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

Or the British Uni student who made a million selling pixels on his website:
http://milliondollarhomepage.com/

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Some Conservatives, maybe. But not everyone on the Right of an argument is Ann Coulter and Dreamtrove. Although there are definitely those on the Left that do fit your description.

Oh I agree. But people seem to be making lots of sweeping statements lately, and I felt left out.

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
It's all the fault of bi-peds. Stinkin' homosapien trash.
Shoulda stayed in the trees where they belong.

*Appologies to those who believe in Intelligent Design for the evolutionary-like slur above*

*Appologies to those who hold with Evolutionary Theory for the appology above*

*Appologies to bi-peds who didn't vote for Bush or Blair*

Sorry Chrisisall

I find your backpeddeling insulting you commie.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:49 PM

ERIC

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Are Bush and Blair doing their best?

Doing their best to do what? Take over the world? Sure, I think so. Using the military to control the planet is an explicitly stated goal of the PNAC. Read their manifesto:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Heck, don't even read it all, just read the introductory pages i-v. Everything the neocons have done is to further their goals. What they say is irrelevant. In this context, many of your subsequent questions become meaningless, because they imply a certain amount of honesty and sense of morality on their part.

(BTW, according to the manifesto, they want to create a US Starfleet to conquer the galaxy

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Are terrorists being hunted down as best they can be, and is the protest over how the war is going in America just a fad whipped up by the left?

Terrorists are the neocons' greatest ally.
There is no protest.

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Is the world economy just fine, with the tempory deficits to be expected in war time?

Cheney: "Deficits don't matter."

http://www.issues2000.org/2004/Dick_Cheney_Budget_+_Economy.htm

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Is death and destruction a natural part of on-going Human History, and nothing to be so shocked over?

War is good for business.

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:23 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

You missed Canada : smile:

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:46 PM

SASSALICIOUS

Dammit.

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Friday, April 21, 2006 8:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Is 'The Alliance' of Firefly just a tool for drama, and something our world could never really sink to? It makes for great drama. No such Gov't form could ever rule the planet. Or planets

Dude, I am willing to try and see other perspectives, and I disagree with you about as much as I agree, but this one statement here is what people like Hitler love; the carpet can't be snatched out from under you unless you believe it to be nailed down.
ALWAYS keep a look out, anything is possible.

Vigilant Chrisisall

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Friday, April 21, 2006 2:17 PM