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... Wait... There wouldn't be any Firefly either...

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Way I see it, the road the US is going down foreign policy wise... SOMEBODY is going to have nothing to lose and take out a city or two.

But, in the long run... there is a silver lining

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The short sightedness of some folks who post on here is beyond belief.

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The short sightedness of some folks who post on here is beyond belief.

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Way I see it, the road the US is going down foreign policy wise... SOMEBODY is going to have nothing to lose and take out a city or two.

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The road the US is going down? WTF are you talking about ? Have you clued into what the REST of the world is worried about ? It's NOT the US, but a crazed nut case in Iran who has said he wants to obliterate at least 1 country, maybe more.

The short sightedness of some folks who post on here is beyond belief.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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South America is electing anyone who is against the US lately.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4861320.stm

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Spectacular shrub-steppe habitat, a rich cultural history, and the free-flowing Hanford Reach of the Columbia River characterize this remarkable monument located in south-central Washington State.

Originally preserved to help win the second world war, the lands that now comprise the Hanford Reach National Monument have been part of a progression from World War II to the Cold War to preservation as a testiment to both the natural world and the history of the 20th Century.

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it's about Iran getting the nuclear ability to vaporize an entire country - for starters, as it has PLAINLY stated it wants to do.

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Originally posted by rue:
Unraptor,

The list of Islamic terrorism on the rest of the world , not just Israel or the US, is clearly being ignored by you and those like you.

REALLY ! Despite all of the suggestions for real solutions that have been proposed.

Speaking of blind, deaf and ...


Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
You notice when anyone has the audacity to question the motives and actions of the US government, AU has to jump in guns blazing spouting off...

I thank you and agree wholehearted

To adapt a phrase - "fucking moron".




" History is a set of lies agreed upon. "

Napoleon Bonaparte

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Exactly what horrors did Theo Van Gogh or Nick Burg commit toward Islam ? One was an film director, the other was a reporter. Yet they were both unrepentently and brutally murdered, in cold blood. Oh yeah, what of the 4 little girls in the Phillipines, who were beheaded while on their way to school?

Keep making excusese for your death cult buddies, and blame it all on W.

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Scum that did what you listed above deserve to be escorted off this world, but to lump all Muslims together as culpable is nonsense. That's like the whole 'Jews killed Christ' crap. Either we hold INDIVIDUALS and ORGANIZATIONS responsible for their actions, or we just nuke all planetary bi-peds, period.

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I don't know whether it's fear or not, but the rest of Islam is utterly silent.

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When individuals continue to offer up a one sided image for entire organizations by such horrific acts , and the rest of them don't condem those actions, you have to wonder, at least a bit.

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I don't know whether it's fear or not, but the rest of Islam is utterly silent.

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Actually they're quite vocal, at least over here. If your media can't be bothered or doesn't want to give it air time and you don't want to listen then I fail to see how that's their fault.

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When individuals continue to offer up a one sided image for entire organizations by such horrific acts , and the rest of them don't condem those actions, you have to wonder, at least a bit.

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Like how Christians don't condemn the Catholic Churches support for the Nazi's and Nazism? Yeah I've always wondered about that too.

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Quite vocal ? Please, give me a break. How many 100O's showed up en mass to march against the bombings in the UK ?

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I see this thread is going in the "Christianity is bad too" direction.

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If Islam is such a great religion, it should be defendable without people pointing fingers at other religions and saying they're no better.

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If Islam is such a great religion, it should be defendable without people pointing fingers at other religions and saying they're no better.

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And how else do you do it? This is a stupid thing too say. If I were to say, and I'm not I have to qualify that for AURaptors sake, that America is evil its perfectly reasonable to respond by comparing it to other nations.

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This is exactly the same thing, you may not like it since it prevents you from painting Islam and Muslims with a broad brush as all evil terrorists, but there you go.

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How did this happen anyway? The thread started off being about Chernobyl and possible nuclear disasters in the US...

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It's Islam. Many will try to tell you that it's a radical faction, a tiny % of all real Muslims around the world, but their silence over such horrific acts is deafening.

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"That's not true, the circumstances were different, and that was a long time ago."

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I don't agree, I think one should defend something by looking at the merits of that something and not at the negative aspects of other things of that type.

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I haven't attempted to paint Islam and Muslims as terrorists and fuck you for implying I did just by disagreeing with the way you argue your points. I really do resent that.

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No, f*** you for jumping down my throat for replying to AURaptor with a perfectly valid rebuttle to his statments. He brought Christians in, not me, but you jump on me, not him and his arguments. You don't tell him to argue Islam on it's merits not by comparing them to Christians, WHEN HE WAS THE FIRST TO DO IT! Why is that, exactly? I really do resent that.

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Just in future don't automatically assume that if I don't agree with what you say or how you argue something that I'm on your opponent's side.

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I apologise for any misunderstanding.

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The "why don't people defend Islam on merit?" can very easily be suggestive within the context of the current discussion.

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No, f*** you for jumping down my throat for replying to AURaptor with a perfectly valid rebuttle to his statments. He brought Christians in, not me, but you jump on me, not him and his arguments. You don't tell him to argue Islam on it's merits not by comparing them to Christians, WHEN HE WAS THE FIRST TO DO IT! Why is that, exactly? I really do resent that.

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I can understand your frustration because I know that it seems like I'm ganging up with AURaptor, but that's not the case, and I wouldn't say I was jumping down your throat, it was a suggestion and you seem to have taken it a bit too personally.

I don't agree with AURaptor but I find it pointless to argue with him. I just think that if one does argue with him, one shouldn't do it on his terms. At the moment it seems like he made the statement "Islam is bad, Christianity is better", and instead of arguing along the lines of "No, Islam isn't all bad, just look at this and that", you're arguing along the lines of "Christianity isn't better, just look at this and that". He isn't Christian, so he doesn't really care about your counterarguments regarding Christianity. At the moment, he made the claim that Islam is made up mostly of terrorists and there hasn't been any decent counterargument to that.

But I didn't want to get dragged into this and I see that I have, so I'll stop now. Just in future don't automatically assume that if I don't agree with what you say or how you argue something that I'm on your opponent's side. I really don't like that and in this case I do resent it (as you saw by my strong reaction to it).

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Firstly I don't give a flying fuck what you are. I expect no one else does either, your the one who judges people based on their religion, not me.

I'm fairly certain the body count from Christians is higher than that of Muslims, now very possibly, historically defiantly. So no, Christians don't get to say "we're better than them" although they do, and it works on people who are incapable of reading and looking things up that happen outside of their home state.

As ussual you clarify something as a moot point, when you don't no what your talking about .

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It's Islam. Many will try to tell you that it's a radical faction, a tiny % of all real Muslims around the world, but their silence over such horrific acts is deafening.


I'm sorry if it upsets you but I remember hearing about these people called Nazis and what they had to say on the subject of Judaism, so I'm not going to sit silently while some ignorant fool spouts more of this sort of crap. They may not be coming for me yet but they might some day.

If you want me to stop shouting down wannabe tools of facsists get them to stop posting their racist crap, don't try and chastise me for it.

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Have you clued into what the REST of the world is worried about ? It's NOT the US, but a crazed nut case in Iran who has said he wants to obliterate at least 1 country, maybe more.

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I used 'Christians' and the Civil Rights movement here as an EXAMPLE, get it ? It wasn't meant so much as a rining endorsement, but to point out the FACT that there isn't ANY where near the wide spread movement found in the WORLD from the Muslims.

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Seems I have to draw some a friggin picture, cause they won't get it any other way.

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It was a KNOCK ON Islam, and you took it as me praising Christians.

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And I'm fairly certain that in the past 10-20 yrs the body count from Muslims killing Christians, Jews and more Muslims is higher than anyone else's combined.

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This doesn't have a fucking thing to do w/ the Nazis, so get that Hitler stick out of your ass and wake the hell up.

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It's funny that you bring up what was said about Judaism, when they did nothing but try to live their own lives, and the Muslims of today

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Just look around the world and see where nutties for Allah are doing all manner of unspeakable things, and you compare THAT to the Jews of the 1920's /30's

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And oh yeah, nice try w/ the protestants and N.I. Completely ignores the point I was talking about Muslims. If they've done any widely publicized marching for peace, you can direct me to the link. If you CAN'T, then stuff a sock in your noise hole and pipe down.

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Originally posted by Phoenixship:
Just jumping in at the last minute...

Auraptor, your posts are so angry and punitive it's hard to take you seriously. Your responses are full of half truths and misrepresentations, but the worst of it is your juvenile name-calling and hostility.

I'd respectfully direct your attention to the following:

While we have an open policy concerning messages, please be civil when responding to others.

If you're right, you shouldn't need to be so hateful? No?

"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
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No, you’re spinning and massaging facts to support your position and where you can't do that you just lie. You are setting up Christians as being better than Muslims, now let’s just realise something shall we. The racial marches weren't a religious issue, they were a race issue. Oh and Muslims were involved in the American racial equality movement, a LOT of Muslims, a fact you gloss over nicely, because it doesn't fit your rhetoric. You brought up Muslims not marching against the bombings in London, and a fair parallel on the Christian side is the fact that Protestants NEVER spoke out against the IRA. I could say Protestant silence is deafening, but I'm not a fascist.

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No I took it as a knock on Islam that you were qualifying by saying "Christians are better". So I replied with Christians are no better or worse. That seems to really piss you off, so either you are a Christian or if anyone refutes the American rightwing media your cognitive dissonance kicks in, which is it?

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I suppose you've not heard of the 'ethnic cleansing' of predominantly Albanians (Muslims) by the Serbs and Croats (Christians)? Happened in a little place called Bosnia, you probably haven't heard of it.

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Your the most Anti-American member of these boards, America is supposed to be about freedom of speech and religion, not freedom to live your life in a way sanctioned by AURaptor and George Bush.

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Nooo, it could never happen here, just like it could never happen in Germany. You could never get a whole group of people being demonised here, how about you wake up you petty minded little wannabe fascist.

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Oh and I'll be in Atlanta Georgia in September, you want to try and shut me up by forcing a sock down my throat your welcome to try then, big man.

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Ignorant, that's funny, considering I'm the one who actually has a passport, which I've used to go too other countries (yes they're are places outside your home state, I'll send you an atlas and some plane tickets to Iraq so you can find out for yourself if you like), I'm the one who’s spoken too Muslims and your the one who just lets other people make up his mind for him.

I'd tell you to put your ignorant fool cap back on, but I doubt you know how to put a hat on. Want me to draw you a diagram?

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You use the Protestants NOT marching over in Ireland as a parallel to Muslims not marching all across the world. While that's a valid issue to discuss, it side steps the main point. Why haven't Muslims risen up and spoken out for peace ? Deal w/ TODAY, please.

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By objective standards, Christianity IS better.

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Every religion is better, because no other religion tolerates so much hatred, murder and degregation of their woman as Muslims do today.

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Islam is living by those outdated standards today, in the 21st CENTURY!

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You're all full of fire in correctly condeming Christians for their misdeeds 100's of yrs ago, yet you ignore what is happening in the world you live in now.

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You speak of Africa, where Muslims still trade in the slave trade TODAY! As for the genocide there, all are w/ out sin.

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The KKK ? ha ha! They're a goofy fringe group that has been cast to the trash heap of history.

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Yeah, it was the big bad evil USA that helped in putting an end to all that 'ethnic cleansing' I seem to recall that the US HELPED the Muslims in that case. How'd that work out for us in the Muslim world , btw ? Oh, lots of graditue, huh?

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And I'm pro American becasue of the freedom of speech AND religion ( or the lack there of )

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Again, for your absurd analogy to have any merrit, Bush would have to be dictator, and the Jews would have had to have a history of blowing up people.

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And whats w/ the name calling ?

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You clearly don't know the meaning of that word, as NOTHING I've said comes remotely close to Fascism.

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Are you asking me out for a date ? Not sure we know each other well enough for that, and I tend to favor the women folk, just so you know.

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But would said sock stuffing increase your intelligence ?

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Yes, becasue passports make one SMART! I get it now.

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Wow, you've spoken to actual Muslims ? How very interesting! Did you ask them why the religion of PEACE hasn't spoken out more ?

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Were they sorry for the deaths of Theo Van Gogh or the slaughter of over 186 school children in Beslan, Russia?

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Readers will note that I did not use one profanity, one vuglar comment, and was calm, sincere and genuinely responsive with my reply. Thank you.

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As I said, wanna come to Atlanta ? C'mon down. Keep in touch.

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I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve, and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet women shall be saved through bearing children, if she continues in faith and love and holiness with modesty.- Timothy

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You can never be equitable in dealing with more than one wife, no matter how hard you try. Therefore, do not be so biased as to leave one of them hanging (neither enjoying marriage, nor left to marry someone else). If you correct this situation and maintain righteousness, GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
You shall give the women their due dowries, equitably. If they willingly forfeit anything, then you may accept it; it is rightfully yours.
The men get a share of what the parents and the relatives leave behind. The women too shall get a share of what the parents and relatives leave behind. Whether it is a small or a large inheritance, (the women must get) a definite share.
A woman witnessed by four people in the act of committing adultery on four different occasions, with four different partners, represents a danger to public health. Such a woman is a depository of germs, and a health quarantine protects the society from her. A good example of an exit that saves a quarantined woman is marriage--someone may wish to marry her, and thus protect her and the society.
If the couple must decide to part, GOD will provide for each of them from His bounties. GOD is Bounteous, Most Wise.

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During the lifetime of the Prophet, many women had been not only the instance for the evolution of many traditions, but had also been their transmitters to their sisters and brethren in faith.3 After the Prophet's death, many women Companions, particularly his wives, were looked upon as vital custodians of knowledge, and were approached for instruction by the other Companions, to whom they readily dispensed the rich store which they had gathered in the Prophet's company. The names of Hafsa, Umm Habiba, Maymuna, Umm Salama, and A'isha, are familiar to every student of hadith as being among its earliest and most distinguished transmitters.4 In particular, A'isha is one of the most important figures in the whole history of hadith literature - not only as one of the earliest reporters of the largest number of hadith, but also as one of their most careful interpreters.

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Children, please!

This is getting to be like the old west, High Noon...

Can't we all just, well, if not get along, at least not threaten eachother?
Chrisisall, who'll kick butts if the threats don't stop

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