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Originally posted by STDOUBT:
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

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You who support the current regime are the sickness that will eventually destroy this nation. You who are too cowardly to accept that our government has been overthrown from within by corporate interest and power-sick greed. You who support 'sneak and peek' law 'cuz it won't happen to you right? You who support 'extraordinary rendition' -I'd cut your throats. You who think
Guantanimo is just what we "have to do now" -fsck you and may you rot in hell.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
(although I don't have such strong feelings about the whole thing, I just tend to ignore ueber-patriots since there's no way of arguing with them).

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:


Standing up to be counted is great but if you stand up one at a time you will just be arrested under terrorism laws and never heard of again.

Everyone must know that when they stand up to be counted, there will be others standing beside them.

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Originally posted by citizen:
What's your name, Chamberlain?

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Originally posted by STDOUBT:
I'm talking about you people who think it's OK to kill women and children for continued access to OIL. You who claim to "defend freedom" when you're really just being USED by corporate interest in a war that wasn't even declared by CONGRESS. You who spit on the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA every time you follow an order.

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Originally posted by Haze:
There is a question I want to ask American board users right now and it relates to my previous post. How is the fact that China will soon supersede America in world power being handled in the American media and in America in general? I have heard it said in the media over here that America is in a state of denial about the situation. Is it considered unpatriotic to admit it?

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3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

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You mean like this?
STDOUBT You who support the current regime are the sickness that will eventually destroy this nation. You who are too cowardly to accept that our government has been overthrown from within by corporate interest and power-sick greed. You who support 'sneak and peek' law 'cuz it won't happen to you right? You who support 'extraordinary rendition' -I'd cut your throats. You who think
Guantanimo is just what we "have to do now" -fsck you and may you rot in hell.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Fletch and Citizen, I agree with both of you, but I think there's a difference in semantics (for lack of a better word). Probably Hitler could have been stopped if other countries threatened him with retaliation if he started being naughty, but threatening and ranting aren't the same. Had they tried to argue with him (or even rant), I still think he wouldn't have cared as long as they didn't seem like they were in a position of power.

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Originally posted by Haze:
There is a question I want to ask American board users right now and it relates to my previous post. How is the fact that China will soon supersede America in world power being handled in the American media and in America in general? I have heard it said in the media over here that America is in a state of denial about the situation. Is it considered unpatriotic to admit it?

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Originally posted by rue:
Slick, look up the definition of scapegoat.

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Originally posted by Geezer:

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Originally posted by Haze:
There is a question I want to ask American board users right now and it relates to my previous post. How is the fact that China will soon supersede America in world power being handled in the American media and in America in general? I have heard it said in the media over here that America is in a state of denial about the situation. Is it considered unpatriotic to admit it?

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I'm handling it the same as I did in the '80s when it was a fact that Japan was going to supercede us as a world power, and in the '90s when it was South Korea. Maintaining a skeptical wait and see attitude.

This isn't to say China won't cause trouble, especially in Africa. They will do this by sending the kind of aid most governments there really like, not food and medicine, but guns and money to help them maintain their power.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by Geezer:
This isn't to say China won't cause trouble, especially in Africa. They will do this by sending the kind of aid most governments there really like, not food and medicine, but guns and money to help them maintain their power.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by STDOUBT:

You people here who support the current US administration make me sick. You claim to be patriots but you're COWARDS. Too afraid to take the blinders off and see what's in front of you.
I'm not talking about Conservative/Liberal or Democrat/Republican. Those are just words used to divide The People.
I'm talking about you people who think it's OK to kill women and children for continued access to OIL. You who claim to "defend freedom" when you're really just being USED by corporate interest in a war that wasn't even declared by CONGRESS. You who spit on the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA every time you follow an order. The American Way does not depend on OIL!!!! Fat Cats paydays do!! Wake the fsck up!! Our "lifestyle" is not worth killing for!! And Israel is not worth World War III!!!

You who support the current regime are the sickness that will eventually destroy this nation. You who are too cowardly to accept that our government has been overthrown from within by corporate interest and power-sick greed. You who support 'sneak and peek' law 'cuz it won't happen to you right? You who support 'extraordinary rendition' -I'd cut your throats. You who think
Guantanimo is just what we "have to do now" -fsck you and may you rot in hell.

Some of us aren't that scared. Some of us know we have a better chance of getting hit by a bus than dying in a terrorist strike. Some of us would rather NOT attack a sovreign nation and get to keep our trillions in taxes. Some of us KNOW that going to a foreign land and killing women and children is EVIL NO MATTER F$CKING WHAT. Yes, even if you call it "collateral damage" -fsck you. Another 6 billion this month.. feel safer yet dumbass? Know where that money comes from? China debt -now we're Chinas bitch -thanks fsckwads!
Some of us know that true strength is gentle. Those "power of pride" bumper stickers? That's what scares me. Pride is a deadly sin. And it goeth before a fall. Fscking idiots. At least I hope it's simple stupidity, because if you really know what you're doing, God help us all.

President Bush was born in Connecticut.
His Texas drawl is as fake as his Christianity.
He's a blasphemer and a war criminal and a traitor.
He's blue blood through to the bone.
Say 'Hi' to Usama for me George. While you rape a state where he wasn't even welcome.

"I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial
of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."
- Thomas Jefferson
I'm not saying Gore would have been better -fsck you with your Liberal vs. Conservative bullshit.
There's no such thing. There is ONE party in the USA and it's not 'of The People'. Fsck -or maybe it is... I guess we get what we pay for.
200 years -it was a nice run-
What will come next is either revolt,
or decay...
But if it means getting to put a cap in you fake fscking "patriots", i'm all about revolt. I'd kill to preserve the Constitution. But I wouldn't kill to keep gas flowing. You who would, I got a lump of lead^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H prayer with your name on it.

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Originally posted by reaverman:

What do you think we do? The U.S. is the world's largtest exporter of weaponry. Most powerful governments say they don't like that kind of "aid", but almost all of them are giving it under the table. How do you think they have stayed powerful and wealthy?

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Originally posted by rue:
OK, Slick,

You left out a really important part of the definition for scapegoat - BEARING BLAME FOR OTHERS. You see, if you are the cause of the problem, being blamed isn't being 'scapegoated.' Got it now?

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And, to answer your question about grading the test - you fail if all of the answers are yes.

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What you are saying is (sadly) very true.
So what suggestions do you have as to what to do about it?

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So are you saying that every current and former military member that served in Iraq or Afghanistan is just wrong? I mean, I agree with a lot of your points, but as one of those former military members, I just want to be clear about what you're saying here.

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Those people aren't horrible Nazi traitors or some such. They are ordinary working class folks that simply dont pay enough attention to the world at large.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Besides, the uber-patriots aren't responsible for the administration's actions, just for voting the administration into power and then defending their actions. I think blaming them for the Iraq war technically is making them a scapegoat.

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Originally posted by STDOUBT:
2 Geezer
I don't know if he's a Dr., a Baker or Candlestick maker. I liked his article.
Here's one that will give you an in-depth idea of who he is FWIW:
http://www.rochester-citynews.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A3136
Also, I may be singling out a 'group' of people as 'the problem', but I'm the lunatic fringe aren't I? I don't think my war machine poses any threat to the status quo. I don't think my propaganda is reaching many ears. So rest easy.

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99.9% of the uber-patriots aren't evil, cowardly fools. They are just ignorant of the real goings-on out in the world.

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Fascism is associated by many scholars with one or more of the following characteristics: a very high degree of nationalism, economic corporatism, a powerful, dictatorial leader who portrays the nation, state or collective as superior to the individuals or groups composing it.

Stanley Payne's Fascism: Comparison and Definition (1980) uses a lengthy itemized list of characteristics to identify fascism, including the creation of an authoritarian state; a regulated, state-integrated economic sector; fascist symbolism; anti-liberalism; anti-communism [3]. A similar strategy was employed by semiotician Umberto Eco in his popular essay Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt[4]. More recently, an emphasis has been placed upon the aspect of populist fascist rhetoric that argues for a "re-birth" of a conflated nation and ethnic people[5].

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh yeah, except for ad hominem argument of dismissing everyone else as being in the "Bush is evil" crowd. Geezer- what happens if Bush really IS evil? I guess that thought is not to be actually discussed. GOOD GOD! ANYTHING BUT THAT!

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Originally posted by STDOUBT:
I think the generals should have told Bush to go fuck himself unless he could get Congress to sign off on his warmongering. Allowing the executive branch to ride roughshod over the Constitution is in my view, a sure sign of impending doom. I'm no expert in military law but I support any soldier who 'deserts' from this illegal war.

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I'm a nurse for hell's sake. I just get worked up seeing my beloved
country going straight down the shitter while people wave the flag and cheer.

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I don't know if the guy in it is qualified to say the things he says, I haven't checked his credentials, I haven't made sure he holds a degree.... but I like his words.

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A ringing endorsement, one he shares with used car salesmen, snake oil peddlers, strippers who claim people rape them, and the Democratic National Committee.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Except Slick, er Geezer, who is smart and knows better. But he uses his intelligence to try and convince himself - and everyone else- to go back to sleep. So Slick- I mean Geezer, apparently really could be a fascist.

In a soothing drone: There is nothing to the definition of fascism. The test is flawed. The writer is unknown. Other nations do the same. It's happened before. Trust the system. It's not that bad.... Sleep.... go back to sleep... sleep...

Did I get all of it in for you, Geezer?
Oh yeah, except for ad hominem argument of dismissing everyone else as being in the "Bush is evil" crowd...

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Geezer- what happens if Bush really IS evil? I guess that thought is not to be actually discussed. GOOD GOD! ANYTHING BUT THAT!

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Originally posted by citizen:
In a democracy the government is working for (at least the majority) of people.

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Therefore if people voted for and continue too support the actions of their government they share responcibillity for those actions. A democrating government can't do something if the people don't let it.

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Unless your saying the American government is not a democracy, there's certainly arguments down that road.

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What happens if Bush is really evil? The same thing as if the Duke Lacrosse team or Timothy McVeigh is accused of being really evil. You develop enough evidence to convince a grand jury to indite, and have a trial. There's also plenty of folks in Congress who aren't beholding to the Republicans and could put forth a bill of impeachment.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
And YOU are evading the discussion by making Geezer its focus.

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(And BTW- I'm sure Geezer is smart enough to speak for himself.)

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