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[B]@AURaptor
Man, you're right. I see the light now. Praise the
Lord and pass the ammunition, brother.
FWIW, you really gotta drop the whole "Clinton
was bad too" thing. WE KNOW. He's a globalist just
like your daddy Bush. Kerry too. It's called the
New World Order, and you're voting for it.
But what the hell do I know? It works in Star Trek...

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Globalist as in our Border Patrol telling the Mexican Gov't where the Minutemen patrols are going to be ? You're right. But I wish the folks who got ticked off at Bush over stuff like that also wouldn't give Clinton a pass at the stuff he did. That's all I'm sayin'.

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Abu Ghraib ( A few bad apples, which were uncovered not by ABC news, but by the US Military )

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…the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq…( kicked the hell out of Saddam in 3 weeks, didn't we ? )

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… the pathetic response to Katrina..( the least amount of blame goes to Bush, while you ignore state, local Gov'ts for their complete and utter collapse of duty )

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… a civil rights division dedicated to undermining civil rights… ( huh? that makes no sense what so ever )

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Globalist as in our Border Patrol telling the Mexican Gov't where the Minutemen patrols are going to be ? You're right. But I wish the folks who got ticked off at Bush over stuff like that also wouldn't give Clinton a pass at the stuff he did. That's all I'm sayin'.

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We can argue Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative,
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country is getting shitcanned by the people in
power. It ain't about the PARTIES. That's
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Your level of self-delusion is astounding. That's one of the dumbest damned things I've ever heard.

Edit: Damn. My brother used my computer and didn't log out. So, the above was posted by Storymark.

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The president is seizing far more power than he is given by the Constitution, he has been basically saying that he can do whatever he wants because he is the law, which is false.

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Um, did you miss that thing where Bush himself said that the wiretaps weren't illegal because he could do whatever he wanted? WHERE BUSH SAID THAT THERE WERE WIRETAPS? Also, if he doesn't get a warrant from FISA within 72 hours it is illegal.

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Falsified maybe not. Exaggerated beyond reality? Most definitely

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I imagine that he was talking about the pushing of "Intelligent Design" instead of science in schools. You may be right though. He may be talking about the embryos that are going in the trash instead of towards medical research because a few people are too worried that babies will be concieved just to be sold to researchers, which is ludicrous considering how many embryos are thrown away anyways.

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Bush has put out more than 4 times the signing statements of Clinton, and Bush even has control of Congress so he shouldn't have to. This is just one example of Bush wanting to be above the law "I don't like that law so I'm going to re-write it in my own image

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Colin Powell quit because he didn't like Bush's policies, Roberts and Alito are qualified but there are doubtless much more qualified people for the positions, Condi doesn't seem to be anything special either.

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Um no I believe that he was talking about the Bush Administration outing mrs. Plame. Which according to their own guy was ordered by Bush.

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Actually they are probably about equal...except that the corporations will benefit more by ruthlessly screwing us.

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Piratenews - It's amazing how you cut/ paste all those funny, cute photos and reams of text from other sites, and yet you continue to say absolutely NOTHING!! That truly is a skill of morons unparalleled anywhere on this site. Congrats!

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Convicted felons promoted to president
www.geocities.com/skull_and_bones_nazis
www.piratenews.org

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Bush Sued by RICO Act - 9/11 victims sue Bush Gang under RICO Act for perping domestic terrorism and mass murder on 9/11/2001. Stanley Hilton vs traitorous media whores Shaun Hannity and Alan Colmes for Jewish Australian porno king pimp daddy Rupert Murdock on Faux News.
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/10/7209.php

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Operation Northwoods - James Banford from ABC News reported on Pentagon's Operation Northwoods plot to perp domestic terrorism in USA to blame a foreign nation and "justify" invasion, declassified in 2000
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/10/7209.php
http://BodyOfSecrets.com

United Airlines Flight 93 Giant Boxcutter Memorial Tombstone
WTC victims buried in Fresh Kills Landfill
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/piratenewsrss/message/240

"Towers that fell 'like a controlled demolition'. Planes that vanished then mysteriously reappeared, and crucial evidence that has been lost for ever. In the Pentagon, a top secret team drew up a plan to simultaneously send up two airliners painted and numbered exactly the same, one from a civil airport in America, the other from a secret military airbase nearby. The one from the airport would have military personnel on board who had checked in as ordinary passengers under false names. The one from the airbase would be an empty drone, a remote-controlled unmanned aircraft. Somewhere along their joint flight paths, the passenger-carrying plane would drop below radar height, and disappear, landing back at the airbase and unloading its occupants in secret. Meanwhile, the drone would have taken up the other plane's designated course. High over the island of Cuba, it would be exploded in mid-air after broadcasting an international distress call that it was under attack from enemy fighters. The world would be told that a plane load of blameless American holidaymakers had been deliberately shot down by Fidel Castro's Communists - and that the US had no choice but to declare war and topple his regime. This Top Secret 'agent provocateur' plan - code named Operation Northwoods and revealed in official archives - dates from 1962 when the Cold War was at its height and was declassified in 2000."
-Tony Rennell, London Daily Mail, "9/11 ON TRIAL -Towers that fell 'like a controlled demolition'. Planes that vanished then mysteriously reappeared, And crucial evidence that has been lost for ever. A new book raises bizarre yet deeply unsettling questions about the world's worst terror atrocity…" August 6, 2005
http://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/911_mainstream_media.htm

"Operation NORTHWOODS may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. Operation Northwoods had called for nothing less than the launch of a secret campaign of terrorism within the United States in order to blame Castro and provoke a war with Cuba."
—James Bamford, ABC News, "Friendly Fire - U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba," May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
http://bodyofsecrets.com

"In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation NORTHWOODS, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro. America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years. The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military. Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job. Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy. "The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford."
—David Ruppe, ABC News, "Friendly Fire - U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba," May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

"We could blow up a drone (unmannded) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. The presense of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The US could follow with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existant crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation. We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. Use of MIG-type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping, and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type palnes would be useful. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce that fact. Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged. It is possible to create an incident which would demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civilian airliner from the United States. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rondevous. From the rondevous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly to an auxiliary airfield at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. Meanwhile the drone aircraft will continue to fly the filed flight plan. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident. It is possible to create an incident that will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack. On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly Tail-end Charlie. While near the Cuban island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. This pilot would then fly at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who performed the mission under an alias would resume his proper identity. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared. A submarine or small craft would distribute F-101 parts, parachute, etc. The pilots retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft found."
—Jewish Zionist General L.L. Lemnitzer, chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon, Memo to Secretary of War Robert McNamara - Subject: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba - Operation NORTHWOODS, March 13, 1962 (declassifed 2000)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Jewish Fox TV's Lone Gunmen pilot episode - Broadcast in March 2001, re Jewish General LL Limnitzer's Operation Northwoods plot by Pentagon, CIA and Jewish Ike/LBJ White House to hijack a US airliner by remote control and crash it into the Jewish Rockefeller's World Trade Center, declassified in 2000
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/6758.php

"I don't trust government. And neither should our citizens."
—US Senator Larry Craig (Republican), United States Senate, Committee on the Judiciary, "DOJ Oversight: Terrorism and Other Topics", testimony by US Attorney General John Ashcroft re President George Bush Jr.'s Executive Orders to "legalize torture" of US citizens and refusal to release that memo (felony Contempt of Congress), C-SPAN2, June 8, 2004

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be."
—President Thomas Jefferson

"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator. I don't know where Usama is, and I don't care. The Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper!"
-George Bush Jr
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html

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...idiot moron criminal traitor terrorist who deserves to be electroshocked in the orifice until DEAD by natural causes in Commie Gitmo, as legalized by your god Bushes' U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act.

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Your level of self-delusion is astounding. That's one of the dumbest damned things I've ever heard.

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Keep following the rest of the sheep. Baahaaa!

Fact is, there are rivers here that are cleaner now that would catch on fire because they were so dirty back in the 70's. Progress has been made, but some choose not to see it.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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I liked the bit when AURaptor called someone else a sheep, pure pure grade A gold material. The man should be in show biz.

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

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Well, there's no reason you can't accept the tax cuts as being good for everybody. The high tide raises all boats, big and small. That's the benefit of a strong economy, which are the result in large part to tax cuts.

I'd add Justies Roberts and Alito. Both extremely well qualified.

Also, some Fed Appeals Court appointees. I see those as being very good, but understand that time will tell.

Appointing Condoleeza Rice as the first black female Sec. of State. That's very good.

Killing the Kyoto Treaty. I'm very glad he did that, and see it as all good.

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I was asked to give examples, and I gave examples. Getting tax cuts passed does take an act of Congress, literally! ( FYI, the phrase, " it takes an act of congress to get this done " is sometimes used here to refer to something which won't get done unless a tremendous amount of time/effort is put into said task. Essentially, saying that means it won't get done at all, or that if it is, it'll be so screwed up by completion that it truly will have been a waste of time.

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* AURaptor posted: Never any substance w/ you folks, but plenty of vitriol. Bravo!

You should see a psychiatrist; your mind must be a fascinating place, in a barren desert filled with little more than tumbleweed kind of a way...

It’s simply amazing how you so consistently manage to accuse others of being, well you.

Now back to following what you’re told by Fox news while you waste your life away watching TV drinking your liver into Cirrhosis…

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As for whether tax cuts were good, I think they were a monumental mistake. Not only does it clearly favor the rich, it only digs us deeper into our nation's economic grave. With the national debt now over 9 TRILLION DOLLARS, how does reducing government income help pay it off? Plus, while the average Joe might get $500 extra, welthy people end up with enough to buy some more real estate, or invest more, or do whatever the hell it is that rich folks do to make themselves richer.

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Patrick Kenedy or Dick Cheney, it don't make a difference. They do what they want, get away with it, and we watch. We can call them on it, or make excuses for them, as our own comfort demands; these boys are above the law.

Uneasy with the idea that we are 'little people'?
Is that why you must allign yourself with the power?

They care nothing for us.

Watch Serenity Chrisisall

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I was in a pub the other day (in th UK) and someone raised this topic and out of the 20 or so people there there was universal condemnation of the US for their arrogant selfishness on this issue. In fact there got to be such an uncomfortable atmosphere of hatred of America that I had to point out that all the Americans I have personally met are decent and concientious people who disagree with the outrageous politics of their country. One day I hope to see that the most powerful county in the world will actually start to reflect the morals of some of its inhabitants (actually any morals at all would be good!).

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I'd suggest you drink at another pub. Folks there are clearly uninformed. The US isn't in the least bit 'arrogant or selfish' on this issue... The Kyoto treaty wouldn't remotely come close to it's objective. It's primary accomplishment would be to punish the USA economically while turning a blind eye to other nations which pollute w/ out any recourse.

Cheers

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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This is something that I feel quite strongly about, that the good of the dollar seems to have been put above that of the planet. I feel that not just the US but the whole western world seems to be becoming more of a Corporate State. Big business rule and control everything. Hmm, bit like Blue Sun, heh? Joss paints an all too believable picture of the future!

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