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'Your ilk': on this thread, specifically Auraptor, Finn, Geezer, Barnstormer, and you (the usual gang) whose message has been - No place for data ! No time for proof !! To hell with due process !!! Whip up a mob - get Ward Churchill NOW by innuendo, by agitation, by pressure !

Is that not a virtual lynching?

Personally, I'm willing to WAIT and see what the academics find as fact. They have access to so much more real data than you, your buds, I, or anyone else on this board. And at that time Professor Churchill will have the opportunity to address any claims against him.

I've read enough about him that I can't imagine selecting him as a friend. And yet I will still defend him against your extra-legal trial.

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Originally posted by rue:
Gosh, I really hate to bump this up, but this was my position:

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'Your ilk': on this thread, specifically Auraptor, Finn, Geezer, Barnstormer, and you (the usual gang) whose message has been - No place for data ! No time for proof !! To hell with due process !!! Whip up a mob - get Ward Churchill NOW by innuendo, by agitation, by pressure !

Is that not a virtual lynching?

Personally, I'm willing to WAIT and see what the academics find as fact. They have access to so much more real data than you, your buds, I, or anyone else on this board. And at that time Professor Churchill will have the opportunity to address any claims against him.

I've read enough about him that I can't imagine selecting him as a friend. And yet I will still defend him against your extra-legal trial.

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And that dear friend is the difference between you and me. I was willing to wait for due process, I was not defending Churchill. You said there were many unsavory FACTS about Churchill - his un-pedigreed blood lines, a predilection to violence and threatening, plagiarism of artwork - all in pretext to 'get' him due to his 'infamous' essay (resurrected two years later). None of those have yet proved true. But that didn't stop you then, did it?



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RUE "You can see anything, if you use the right filters ..."
Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 20:16
Quote: Back on topic. Mr. Rove should be suspended until his specific role has been determined.

I'd think that'd be at least the minimum policy. Any bets as to whether even that happens?

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Bush: "If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action." (September 30, 2003)

McClellan: I think I made that very clear last week. The topic came up, and I said that if anyone in this administration was responsible for the leaking of classified information, they would no longer work in this administration. (October 6, 2003)

Bush: "If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is...If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of." (February 11, 2004)

Bush: "If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration." (July 18, 2005)

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RUE "You can see anything, if you use the right filters ..."
Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 20:16
Quote: Back on topic. Mr. Rove should be suspended until his specific role has been determined.

I'd think that'd be at least the minimum policy. Any bets as to whether even that happens?

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This was as per Bush's original quotes, until he started to flip-flop.

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Bush: "If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action." (September 30, 2003)

McClellan: I think I made that very clear last week. The topic came up, and I said that if anyone in this administration was responsible for the leaking of classified information, they would no longer work in this administration. (October 6, 2003)

Bush: "If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is...If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of." (February 11, 2004)

Bush: "If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration." (July 18, 2005)

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Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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In the first quote above you agreed with someone who stated that "Rove should be suspended until his specific role has been determined". That may as well be in the dictionary under "guilty until proven innocent".

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How come you did'nt (sic) comment about the plagiarism Rue. Just curious mind you.

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PLEASE READ MY POST

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In the first quote above you agreed with someone who stated that "Rove should be suspended until his specific role has been determined". That may as well be in the dictionary under "guilty until proven innocent".

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Because THAT'S WHAT BUSH PROMISED, bimbo.


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Originally posted by rue:
Sophomoric is better than 'can't read'. Perhaps you need a picture book.

Read Bush's original quote and McClellan's revisitation. Go and do a web search. Rove was known to be 'involved' at that time. That is historical fact. It wasn't proven in court, but that was not the standard Bush originally set for taking action. (4 months later the admin changed its original wording to 'violated the law' b/c of calls for Bush to keep promise #1. 19 months later they further changed it to 'committed a crime' b/c of calls for Bush to keep promise #2.)

What I called for is standard administrative procedure when someone is accused of a serious crime - in Rove's case treason - which is suspension from work until cleared. I didn't call for immediate dismissal as some did.


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