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can't phrases such as "has eroded down to just three barren Western states" and "The arid Western trio" be seen as some sort of ad hominem attack?

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Check out where the hard-core dumasses reside...
http://www.sploid.com/news/2006/05/bush_country.php

(Thanks for the link, Dreamtrove, wherever you is...)

But is enough to take back our country next election? No Bush-clones, please Lord!

Tired of the bushit Chrisisall

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But is enough to take back our country next election? No Bush-clones, please Lord!

Tired of the bushit Chrisisall

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But Chrisisall, how can we take back the country and get Bush out next election and this corrupt administration when our whole voting system has been comprimised , and we've already had two stolen elections, I think people are truly kidding themselves if they really think that voting is the answer to this problem, I've known all along that Jeb Bush is going to run for president next election, and he will win just like his brother won, they will cheat, and steal again, and if people think we are going to get a democratic congress they need to think again,(not that the democrates would be much better) its not going to happen, I hope that I'm wrong but I seriously doubt it.

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and even the truly religious can be played,

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...we have politicians who are protecting an open-border policy, and yet we are to believe that its neccessary to wiretap every phone call in the US. the truth is that the constitution stands in the way of their sovereign-less one world fascist serfdom...and "the war on terror" is the perfect, ominous engine to create a permanant climate of fear capable of chipping away at our personal liberties. and notice how the media hypes pandemics and other crisis...all part of the fearmongering propoganda campaign

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I think people are truly kidding themselves if they really think that voting is the answer to this problem, I've known all along that Jeb Bush is going to run for president next election, and he will win just like his brother won, they will cheat, and steal again, and if people think we are going to get a democratic congress they need to think again

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I miss dreamtrove...

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As for Bush, he's turned out to be far less conservative than those who voted for him had hoped.

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McCain/Swann in 2008...vs. maybe a Kerry, Clinton, or a Gore?

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I seriously doubt America would stand for another Bush, but I have been wrong in the past concerning matters like this...from time to time.

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As for Bush, he's turned out to be far less conservative than those who voted for him had hoped.

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Thank you, AURaptor, I know that wasn't easy to say...

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Problem is, there isn't anyone on the Left willing to lead.

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Say what you will about Bush, he was better than Gore and Kerry.

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And no, neither election was 'stolen', as Piratejenny has stated. That's just the epitome of a sore loser trying to explain away getting their ass kicked. ' You cheated! ' Waaahhh!

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an interesting site. http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/

i just ask that you consider the relevency to the Bible......

with the eye of Osiris and the pyramid of knowledge on the back. there is no doubt that there is an enormous ammount of occult symobolism .....

the evidence overwhelmingly points to the contrary..it makes you wonder, if Christianity is baseless,

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a good public discussion about this from all sides, atleast to shed light on the innaccuracies, if nothing else, is vitally needed. i mean, if the Government can prove us wrong, then do it and silence us already! i suspect its not soo easy, which would imply some guilt, right?

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And no, neither election was 'stolen', as Piratejenny has stated. That's just the epitome of a sore loser trying to explain away getting their ass kicked. ' You cheated! ' Waaahhh!

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Auraptor, this is where you really need to pull your head out of your *ss. We judge the fairness of elections all over the world- from Afghanistan to the Ukraine- using exit polls. Our own exit polls have a track record that goes back decades- their error is well-known, as is the error of our vote tabulation. People far brighter than you and I looked at the probability of the exits polls and tabulations being so far off in 2004 and have come to the conclusion that FRAUD is the only possible explanation.

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About 49-50% of the vote went to Bush. Approximately half of those people are now regretting their vote. So although Bush may not be as conservative as SOME people (most likely the religious right) had hoped for, he is more conservative than some of his other votes had anticpiated. You're basically comparing Bush's record to the farthest right of the conservative spectrum. So yeah- he's not Genghis Khan he's Emperor Nero. Whoopee.

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You're making the ASSumption that those doing the exit polling weren't trying to skew the vote themsleves. From Florida 2000 to Ohio 2004, there hasn't been ONE substantiated claim of voter fraud. You say 'fraud', and yet offer no evidence.

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Were there problems in the system? Clearly there was. But pointing that out doesn't mean there was fraud by default. Sorry, but every precinct is responsible for running their own elections. But if you want to talk about known fraud and a stolen election, go back to the 1960 JFK win over Nixon.

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While Gas prices ( which a President has zero control over )

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As for Bush, he's turned out to be far less conservative than those who voted for him had hoped.

Bush has failed us with the expansion of the size of Gov't, increased spending, "

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I think people are truly kidding themselves if they really think that voting is the answer to this problem, I've known all along that Jeb Bush is going to run for president next election, and he will win just like his brother won, they will cheat, and steal again, and if people think we are going to get a democratic congress they need to think again

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Thats the spirit. I hope all the liberals think the same way.

My money is on Jeb Bush not running in 2008, although if the Democrats win in '08 then Jeb could be a good challenger in '12.

I think we are also seeing a shift in the debate. I think that Democrats need to take a close look at the last 6 years. Everytime they've challenged the President on an issue, they've lost. And everytime they have gotten any momentum, they've lost. My money is on them losing again this fall. Imagine, PA and OH both with conservative, African-American Republican Governors, both of whom will speak at the Republican Convention in 2008 and be on the VP shortlist.

McCain/Swann in 2008...vs. maybe a Kerry, Clinton, or a Gore? I suppose they could put up Obama as a counter...but he's a lightweight with one good speech under his belt...that didn't work for them the last time they tried someone like that (William Jennings Bryan).

"Having behind us the producing masses of this nation and the world, supported by the commercial interests, the laboring interests and the toilers everywhere, we will answer their demand for a gold standard by saying to them: You shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns, you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold."- Bryan, 1896.

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