XMEN 3 and Ghost Rider by FutureMrsFIllion

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XMEN 3 and Ghost Rider

POSTED BY: FUTUREMRSFILLION
UPDATED: Thursday, June 1, 2006 18:22
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Friday, May 26, 2006 7:56 PM

Xmen 3 was pretty good. I am not an XMen fan, but this was the best of them all.

The Ghost Rider looks interesting. I will admit to never having heard of it before. But Nicholas Cage rarely goes wrong.

And can someone please tell me WHY we need a new Omen? The first one was plenty creepy enough!

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Friday, May 26, 2006 9:31 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY

We need a new Omen to mark Forsaken day on June 6th (6/6/6).

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Friday, May 26, 2006 9:40 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Yeah, they remade it just to release it on that day. It's actually pretty good marketing.

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Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

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Monday, May 29, 2006 10:03 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Xmen 3 was pretty good. I am not an XMen fan, but this was the best of them all.

The Ghost Rider looks interesting. I will admit to never having heard of it before. But Nicholas Cage rarely goes wrong.

And can someone please tell me WHY we need a new Omen? The first one was plenty creepy enough!

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Because Hollywood can't come up with an original idea anymore?

Btw, I heard Ghost Rider didn't look all that good from the trailer which is a shame, loved those comics.... But Nick Cage? God, it's the Shadow all over again.

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:44 AM

RIVER6213

I saw X-men 3 yesterday. I also saw the coming attractions to GhostRider. It looked pretty interesting, but I have one small irk...I never really liked Nichols Cage's acting. He never comes off as convincing too me, but the movie itself looks like its gonna be good.

I ate too much popcorn BTW. X3's an interesting movie...go see it.

River

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:26 AM

STORYMARK

I thought X3 was pretty good, better than I expected. But it wasn't nearly as good as X2, IMO, and I'd probably put it on par with the first. It was a lot of fun, but the plot holes, poor dialog, and almost zero characterization kept it from being a total slam-dunk for me.

As for Ghost Rider... I'm going to hold judgement till I see it. I thought the FX looked a bit video-gamey, and I think Cage is a bit miscast. But, Cage has been trying to get a comic book movie for years, so I'm guessing he'll give it his all. The director's previosus superhero outing, Daredevil, is a film I'm a bit split on. Didn't like the theatrical cut, but really enjoyed the Director's Cut, so we'll see how this one goes...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:18 AM

JMB9039

I didn't care for X3 all that much. Visually great, but there seemed to be half a script. Questions, characters, and philisophical threads left dangling. Ratner treated it more like a Rush Hour movie than an XMen movie, in my opinion.

Ghost Rider looks like it might suffer from similar problems. Even some of the effects looked a little over the top.

Here's hoping though...

JMB9039
You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world! -- The Tick

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:07 AM

STORYMARK

Ya know, I was a big Ratner basher when he was announced as the director. But having seen the movie, I think I was giving him a bad rap. Sure, the movie had lots of problems, but I think he made the best of a bad situation.

First of all, you have a script that was reportedly written in only 7 days (the writers bragged about it in an interview about the time production started). You have a studio chief (Tom Rothman) who has expressed a personal dislike for the franchise from the start, and then insisted the movie be rushed out the door to beat Superman into theatres because he was pissed that Singer moved to a different movie. The original director, Matthew Vaughn, bailed out 2 months before shooting started because the studio wouldn't give him the time he thought he needed to shoot it properly. Ratner had to come in and take the reins on a script he had no input on, with no hand in the casting, and very little prep time (most directors get at least 6 months prep). On top of that, he was faced with some very high expectations from fans of the comics and first 2 movies.

So, as a Ratner basher who liked, but didn't love the movie, I think he did the best he could have under tough conditions.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:15 AM

THIEFJEHAT

I'm sorry but I thought X3 was not anywhere as good as the 1st 2 films. This one was far to predictible. I went to it expecting a much better story than what I got.

I think the only film I can look forward to this year is going to be Pirates of the Carribean II, Dead Man's Chest. I'm counting the days until that one!

Do not fear me. Ours is a peaceful race, and we must live in harmony.

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:06 PM

CHRISMOORHEAD

I could honestly have come close to describing the X-Men movie franchise as "epic" up until this third one. You take the opening scene from the first, showing Magneto as a young boy watching his parents lead away in an extermination camp to be executed, and the subsequent debate of the morality in liscensing people to live who had no choice in how they were born, the magnitude of this debate and how it effects someone of Magneto's past... this is some very mature and real life stuff.

Even X-2, the deeper look into Wolverine's past, who he really was and might have been, the continuing but at the very least progressing fight of mutants to be accepted as equals. Like any good fiction, it takes things from our history as human beings and things everyone has experienced at least once in their lives and makes it the core of the movie.

X3? Garbage. Maybe if it had been the first one, I could have accepted it as, "Yeah, it's a comic book movie", but not after the first two. This one tried to fit too many one liners, action sequences, and VERY campy introduction scenes (and what can you do? Zip-zip, oh, she's fast!) into a poorly written and ultimately un-thoughtful script. Like every fucking thing else in America these days, it was synthesized cool capitlizing on an already succesful franchise and hoping that no one noticed that it lost every bit of originality and goodness that it once had.

And, just because I know someone's going to disagree, I didn't think the WHOLE movie sucked. Kelsey Grammer's beast was an enjoyable and well played character, Hugh Jackman did the best he could with what he was given, and a couple other things were done well. But for the record, Halley Barry... I can't even find the words to describe how much I hate this woman. More specifically, how much I hate anyone who see's her movies. The more retards go to see movies for tits and ass, the more Hollywood is going to produce that bullshit, and the LESS good movies will be made. You want T&A? RENT A FUCKING PORNO! Please, stop funding the undermining of American entertainment!

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 5:33 AM

DEEPGIRL187

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Ya know, I was a big Ratner basher when he was announced as the director. But having seen the movie, I think I was giving him a bad rap. Sure, the movie had lots of problems, but I think he made the best of a bad situation.

First of all, you have a script that was reportedly written in only 7 days (the writers bragged about it in an interview about the time production started). You have a studio chief (Tom Rothman) who has expressed a personal dislike for the franchise from the start, and then insisted the movie be rushed out the door to beat Superman into theatres because he was pissed that Singer moved to a different movie. The original director, Matthew Vaughn, bailed out 2 months before shooting started because the studio wouldn't give him the time he thought he needed to shoot it properly. Ratner had to come in and take the reins on a script he had no input on, with no hand in the casting, and very little prep time (most directors get at least 6 months prep). On top of that, he was faced with some very high expectations from fans of the comics and first 2 movies.

So, as a Ratner basher who liked, but didn't love the movie, I think he did the best he could have under tough conditions.

In regards to Ghost Rider: Yipeee! Yay! Woo hoo!

As for X3: I've already posted about this here: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=8&t=20999, but I did want to speculate on what on what you said in your post.

Is this all Ratner had to work with? A script written in seven days? This is the type of tripe they're pushing in Hollywood now? God, we could have wound up in Captain America or Flash Gordon territory (we all remeber how crappy those were, right?). We should all thank our lucky stars it turned out as well as it did. Life could be much worse.

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

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Thursday, June 1, 2006 6:22 PM

THIEFJEHAT

Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:

X3? Garbage. Maybe if it had been the first one, I could have accepted it as, "Yeah, it's a comic book movie", but not after the first two. This one tried to fit too many one liners, action sequences, and VERY campy introduction scenes (and what can you do? Zip-zip, oh, she's fast!) into a poorly written and ultimately un-thoughtful script. Like every fucking thing else in America these days, it was synthesized cool capitlizing on an already succesful franchise and hoping that no one noticed that it lost every bit of originality and goodness that it once had.

Agreed. Chris got it all correct.

Do not fear me. Ours is a peaceful race, and we must live in harmony.

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