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Voter fraud - American election vastly corrupted II
Friday, June 2, 2006 1:39 PM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Friday, June 2, 2006 2:49 PM
Friday, June 2, 2006 6:21 PM
SOUPCATCHER
Friday, June 2, 2006 7:32 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:While investigating for BBC Television, we obtained three dozen of the Republican Party’s confidential “caging lists,” their title for the spreadsheets that list the names and addresses of Ohio voters they intended to block on any pretext. Every address of the thousands on these Republican hit lists was located in black-majority precincts. You might find that nasty and racist.
Friday, June 2, 2006 7:46 PM
FLETCH2
Friday, June 2, 2006 10:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Monolycus: (Sorry, I'm not a genius HTML user and can't hyperlink those stories... google them, though. They're Reuters and Knight-Ridder articles, not standard tinfoil hat fare.)
Monday, June 5, 2006 10:29 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Monday, June 5, 2006 10:41 AM
CHRISTHECYNIC
Monday, June 5, 2006 2:07 PM
HERO
Monday, June 5, 2006 2:49 PM
SCORPY2
Monday, June 5, 2006 7:08 PM
PIRATEJENNY
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 2:21 AM
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 3:48 AM
CITIZEN
Quote:Originally posted by Scorpy2: Well, maybe he could have been drunk with his prostitute,
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 5:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by piratejenny: about the most refreshing thing in this thread was Zero's honesty about his dispicable and disgusting acts.
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 5:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Not only that, you've got the wrong Kennedy!!
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 5:53 AM
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 9:08 AM
AMITON
Quote: Posted by Rue: The claim seems outrageous: there was a conspiracy by a few well-placed people to throw the election. That's why there is so much analysis, so much testimony, so much hard data and so many references. It's easy to brush off the claim as just another tin foil hat loony bin story. It's not easy to brush off so many specifics. The power of the article lies in the data. You start out skeptical. But as you read on, and on, and on, the case for fraud builds into a solid, respectable, believable one.
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 9:09 AM
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 9:20 AM
Quote:So, if there is such a well researched, almost irrefutable, fact-based and well written report drafted by a man who is both a Kennedy and a lawmaker himself, then why isn't this report being acted on? If this was as solid of a case as it appeared then this would easily be enough to begin a congressional hearing, if nothing else. He has plenty of connections to make something happen with this.
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 9:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Amiton: Quote: Posted by Rue: The claim seems outrageous: there was a conspiracy by a few well-placed people to throw the election. That's why there is so much analysis, so much testimony, so much hard data and so many references. It's easy to brush off the claim as just another tin foil hat loony bin story. It's not easy to brush off so many specifics. The power of the article lies in the data. You start out skeptical. But as you read on, and on, and on, the case for fraud builds into a solid, respectable, believable one. This is actually what gives me more pause than anything else in the entire process. No matter how well these pieces of data check out, we can't be getting the whole story. The Kennedys are not a polital force to be laughed off. The family at large contains some of the most powerful lawmakers in US history. I've heard many jokes referring to the opinion that the closest thing that this country has to royalty is the Kennedys. So, if there is such a well researched, almost irrefutable, fact-based and well written report drafted by a man who is both a Kennedy and a lawmaker himself, then why isn't this report being acted on? If this was as solid of a case as it appeared then this would easily be enough to begin a congressional hearing, if nothing else. He has plenty of connections to make something happen with this. Instead, it shows up as essentially an op-ed piece in a magazine with a subscriber base that is deeply disillusioned with the Bush Administration, the Republican Party, American politics in general. It doesn't make sense as anything more than a tool to sway public opinion as far as I can tell. I will definitely agree that the information in the article is pretty damning and indicates more than a remote possibilty. What's being done to prevent it by the politicians? It doesn't sound like much besides bellyaching from either side. There were numerous reports dealing with voter tampering that indicted both parties in 2004. Some of the things that were being reported were absolutely sick. At the same time, having that ability serves the needs of both parties, and you can't affect the abilities of one group effectively without doing it to the other. I don't think the Democrats really *want* the changes to be made, or at the very least not the same way that the majority of American citizens do. Not to mention, there's a lot of sass being thrown around in a lot of the political threads that the only thing the Republicans as a group do well is widen the class differential and transfer more and more power and wealth to those that already have it. That would include those Democratic national level politicians, too. The party can preach the planks in their platform to help the middle and lower class until the cows come home, but to actually implement those benefits is a detriment to the wellbeing of the politician and his family. Noble and in line with his duty? Yes, but it's a pretty bitter pill to swallow when you have the power to prevent your own suffering, and even moreso when you can do it without anyone finding out. Amiton. (edited for clarity)
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 9:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Do you know how Congress works? The majority party gets to chair of all of the Committees. Since both Senate and House are Republican, exactly which Committee did you have in mind for that Hearing? The Senate Judiciary Committee? (Specter, PA, R) The Select Committee on Ethics? (Voinovich, Ohio, R) The House Committee on Government Reform? (Davis, VA, R) Not only that, but the Majority Leader (both Repubclians) can decide whether or not to provide a room for said hearing, and whether or not to call a Hearing.
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 9:48 AM
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 9:51 AM
Quote:why is something of this caliber being written for Rolling Stone? Why is this able to be contained so well if all of this information is freely available and already organized? Amiton.
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 9:58 AM
Quote:Yes, I understand Congress. I will say that if you feel that the process is that clearly simple and that a Kennedy, *any* Kennedy is powerless to make enough noise about this to get something done about it, then we really don't have much to talk about. I think the divergence between our viewpoints may be too much to overcome in a simple debate. The main point I was making in my post (man, I'm having to clarify the things I say a lot lately. I think I need to revisit the practice of focusing my writing better) was to ask why is something of this caliber being written for Rolling Stone? Why is this able to be contained so well if all of this information is freely available and already organized? Given the politcally charged nature of American consciousness right now and the deplorable approval rating of Bush, there should be adequate impetus to have something made out of this...given it is the whole story. I can't believe that it's that simple, though, and I suspect that is the reason why this isn't a bigger piece of news.
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 10:09 AM
HKCAVALIER
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 10:30 AM
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 10:41 AM
Quote:Robert F Kenneday, Jr is not in government or politics and never has been. He is an environmental lawyer and college professor.
Quote:It's really amazing how vulnerable the Constitution of the United States is to the one party model. The framers obviously never considered the possibility that one party could control all three branches of government at once. What a dangerous, dangerous oversight. It's almost surprising that this "perminent majority" nastiness didn't happen sooner. Is this gonna break us, do you think? HKCavalier
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 10:49 AM
SIMONWHO
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: in Rehab they don't have much else to do...
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:36 AM
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 12:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SimonWho: I'm actually mildly curious Hero: do you favour electoral reforms or are you happy with the current system?
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 2:22 PM
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 2:38 PM
Quote:Zero, Dude, you're really messed up. Can you tell me what year it is?
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 2:45 PM
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 2:54 PM
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 4:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: or to prevent a person from voting.
Tuesday, June 6, 2006 5:27 PM
Quote: Not all persons should be voting. Some persons are not citizens, some citizens are not competent (age, mental infirmaty, felons, etc.) Some otherwise competent citizens can't be allowed to vote because they already voted or perhaps because they showed up on Wednesday or don't live in the community. There are a number of legitimate reasons why not all persons should be allowed to vote.
Wednesday, June 7, 2006 6:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote: Not all persons should be voting. Some persons are not citizens, some citizens are not competent (age, mental infirmaty, felons, etc.) Some otherwise competent citizens can't be allowed to vote because they already voted or perhaps because they showed up on Wednesday or don't live in the community. There are a number of legitimate reasons why not all persons should be allowed to vote. Ok- "or to prevent a person from registering who is eligible to register, or to prevent a person from voting who is registered and who has not already voted." Good enough for you? --------------------------------- Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.
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