Poll: How many Muslims want to destroy the USA? by canttakesky

Why? You want to see how many people support your genocidal appetite?

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Friday, June 30, 2006 7:11 PM

CAUSAL

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Why? You want to see how many people support your genocidal appetite?

Of all the dumbass things to say--the man is trying to figure out what people think of the assertion that Muslims want to destroy America. He's not advocating extermination, knucklehead! Sensitive much?

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Friday, June 30, 2006 7:15 PM

You too must also share in his nutcase zeal for extermination dumbass.

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Friday, June 30, 2006 7:20 PM

CAUSAL

OK, so here are the steps in this thread:

1) Hey who here actually believes that Muslims want to destroy the USA? [Note: no assertion of belief; question only]

2) You racist!

3) That wasn't racist, that was a question.

4) Yeah, well, you're a racist, too!

How about we ease back on the sensitivity Mr. Fly, and actually look at the original request, which sought information. The post stated that some people believe that there are at least some Muslims who want to destroy the US (which is true--some people do believe that). That was a statement about the beliefs of people, and the original poster wanted to know what people thought about that belief. Note that he didn't come down on one side or another of that belief, and neither did I. Discussing race-related issues does not make one a racist. I, for one, think an honest discussion about American attitudes toward Islam would be a healthy thing. You, on the other hand, seem to think that makes us racists.

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Friday, June 30, 2006 7:35 PM

There's nothing you can tell me boy. Questions like these always leads to the same place. No one mentioned anything about racism, therefore you just tipped your hand. Just as I figured. How typical. Like-mindedness of the thread creator. You must be extermination crazy yourself.

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Friday, June 30, 2006 9:34 PM

HKCAVALIER

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
...exterminate their brown asses...

Uh...Shady? That's racism.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, June 30, 2006 9:45 PM

Read in between the lines of the original question gives you all the information you need to know about the goal of the query poll. Racism was not on my mind, nor what I read within the original question, but the automatic assumption of it by another poster placed cards on the table. I don't think the original poster was suggesting racism at all, but it is something that gets brought into the mix of this topic, and has a bad habit of bringing out the extermination, mentality; us or them groups.

It really achieves nothing but hate in the end, plus it has a nasty habit of breeding paranoia, suspicion, and the common human bigotry that affects us all consciously or unconsciously.

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Friday, June 30, 2006 10:04 PM

HKCAVALIER

Um...er...I know CantTakeSky is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, but it's pretty clear from context that CTS does not endorse the extermination of Islamic people. He states that he "hears this a lot" and then asks if there's anyone on this board that "actually believes" it. The obvious inference is that CTS believes that such thinking--much like your assertion that CTS harbors a "nutcase zeal for extermination" based on his post--is not grounded in reality.

I think this question gets to the heart of the paranoid fantasy that is the so-called GWOT. We've destroyed two countries to get a handful of extremists, and failed miserably. And now Bush contemplates throwing another country on the fire. It's disgustingly absurd. One thing's for sure, none of "the terrorists" have died in Iraq.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, June 30, 2006 10:13 PM

I was wasn’t speaking for him junior.
Not grounded in reality? There are nutcases all over the place with the them or us mentality. It's their reality, not mine. We will never really know how many people are against our nation, but our media and government seems to say that most people non-christian are against us. Is this truth? How do we know its truth? And with all the Islamic types out there, there are a large portion that are white skinned. So should we kill their white asses along with all the brown skinned people?

Sounds to me that the original poster is looking for some like minded people to agree with his genocidal outlook.

BTW what is GWOT?

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 12:35 AM

Missed the concept of quotation marks much do we?

Yes there is a certain poster here showing their sub-concious bias, unfortunatly for you it's not CTS... You and PirateNews, spend alot of time walking around in bedsheets do you?

ShadowFly doesn't want this topic discussed, much easier for people like him to spread their racist agenda 'under the table' so to speak.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 3:46 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Just one, little note, in the midst of the insanity, ok ?

The effective combat range of an Ak-47 is about 300 yards.

Seems to me, last I checked, the Atlantic Ocean was a bit wider than that.

Just a thought.

-Frem

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 4:37 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Um...er...I know CantTakeSky is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, but it's pretty clear from context that CTS does not endorse the extermination of Islamic people.

Pay no mind; ShadowFLY is a goof. I know who it is, but I won't blow his/her cover.
(But it isn't PN, as I earlier thought...)

Detective Comics Chrisisall

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 4:45 AM

CTS, it is my impression from newspapers and PBS that the Muslim world as a whole is suspect of us, about half of them hate us with some intensity, and maybe 1000 or so would actually be willing to do the suicide-bomb thing to destroy us.

This is not based on any hard evidence or numbers...
And I'd be interested in our results here, if we can keep to it

.

Chrisisall

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 4:48 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

I don't care who Shadowfly is. He amuses me.

In answer to the original question - if Muslims really beleived all that crap - they would have taken us down long ago. There are enough exiled muslims in this country to do it. They are getting a bad rap. The people that hate America are using their religion as a reason. They are fundamentalist extremists and an extremist in ANY religion is a scary f

g thing.

edit: and I spell good!

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 4:53 AM

Thank you, HKCavalier and Citizen, for adding rationality to this insane hijacking of my thread.

For the record, should someone require to know my own position, I lean towards the belief that "Islamic terrorists" are an artifact created by our own government's hunt for such terrorists. In other words, I believe there used to be a couple dozen low-rent psychos that huddled in someone's backyard. Then we started viciously tearing up other countries, which motivated folks who would have otherwise ignored us to fight us. Our govt is trying to create the very prey it claims to be hunting.

(Who then, some might ask, do I think perpetrated 9/11? Not by said "Islamic terrorists," who did not have the resources at the time to complete such a task. Planting bombs on buses, sure, but hijacking sophisticated jets and targeting narrow targets with only simulator experience--I don't buy it. But that is another thread.)

So, I am curious to know how many folks really believe what they hear on TV about hordes of Islamic terrorists stalking us as we speak. And if you don't believe there are hordes, how many do you think are out there? I haven't met anyone yet who doesn't think there are SOME out there. How many, and what source influenced this viewpoint?

Now, how come not a one o' you's answered my question yet? C'mon guys!

Thanks in advance.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

*who, btw, is a gal.*
Edit: My position is largely based on having lived in Iran and traveled in the Middle East. I also take into account tidbits of facts I read on the internet that don't jive with the official story.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 4:57 AM

Thanks so much, Chrisisall.

That is the kind of answer I was looking for.

You are the salt of our threads. (You preserve them and make them taste good at the same time.

)

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 5:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Um...er...I know CantTakeSky is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, but it's pretty clear from context that CTS does not endorse the extermination of Islamic people.
Pay no mind; ShadowFLY is a goof. I know who it is, but I won't blow his/her cover.
(But it isn't PN, as I earlier thought...)

Detective Comics Chrisisall

It's you isn't it. I thought this had ChrisIsAll fingerprints all over it. Especially when one of the first people ShadowNutty attacked was you...

TransparentIsAll...

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 5:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Of all the dumbass things to say--the man is trying to figure out what people think of the assertion that Muslims want to destroy America. He's not advocating extermination, knucklehead! Sensitive much?

THANK YOU, Causal. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 5:15 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
It's you isn't it. I thought this had ChrisIsAll fingerprints all over it. Especially when one of the first people ShadowNutty attacked was you...

ShadowNutty seems to love us both, and I ain't sly, so....

*BUZZER* wrong! Chrisisall

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 5:28 AM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Not by said "Islamic terrorists," who did not have the resources at the time to complete such a task.

I thought that came from our gas pumps.

I believe there are few Islamic extremists but their numbers increase as do the Christian extremists here. I believe there is a portion in Iraq that are generally happy Saddam is gone. I am sure some of these 'tudes have changed. There are a few others that absolutely love us for our money and like to build artificial islands with it. Some have and still view the US as the land of opportunity. Some just live their lives and don't care. Some prolly do look at us with disgust if they realize our affluence.

...and Didn't SF come into this forum around the time when some other nut job claimed Citizen was a nazi supporter because he happened to know a lot about their American history during WWII. He seems extremely sensitive about race. Wonder if he can tell us why?

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 5:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Why? You want to see how many people support your genocidal appetite?

I want to know how many people support SOMEBODY's genocidal appetite.

For those people who aren't extreme enough to be genocidal, I would like to know how they DO view the threat that our govt tells us we're facing.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 5:57 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Here's an interesting piece on the ideology of Al Qaeda.
http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/al-queda%20evolve.htm

"Following a period of exile in Sudan and Afghanistan in which his radical views sharpened, Bin Laden issued a declaration of jihad against the United States in 1996 that signaled his emergence as an internationally recognizable figure and offered a full account of his main critiques of an enemy he described as the "alliance of Jews, Christians, and their agents."

So I'd guess you could say Al Qaeda wants to destroy the United States.

Al Qaeda strength estimates vary, but several thousand looks like a consensus range.

There's also AQ affiliated organizations, who are almost impossible to size. Don't forget that the Taliban and non-Al Qaeda Iraqi insurgents would probbly also like a crack at the continental US if they could do so.

Then there's the whole bunch of folks who wouldn't take an active role in an attack, but who would be pleased with another 9/11. Note that this group is not limited to Muslims. Probably tens of millions.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 6:17 AM

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Originally posted by pdcharles:
...and Didn't SF come into this forum around the time when some other nut job claimed Citizen was a nazi supporter because he happened to know a lot about their American history during WWII. He seems extremely sensitive about race. Wonder if he can tell us why?

What're you trying to imply :shifty eyes:

I know the names of a couple of Nazi organisations within the US, and that general public sentiment as well as these extremists was the impetus behind the US not joining the war until after Pearl Harbour. Not really a great deal.

As for the race thing, not particularly, in this thread SF was calling CTS a racist genocidal maniac, I turned it around. Most of its down to the current growing attitude to Muslims, I've worked with a few and they aren't all suicidal terrorists, and when certain people on these forums say they are it pisses me off.

It pisses me off because they haven't even met a single Muslim, but feel they know what each one thinks like they're some sort of evil gestalt entity. It pisses me off because the propaganda is eerily similar to the early Nazi propaganda against Jews, as is the reaction of the public at large. It pisses me off because we, as a species, can't seem to learn from our own terrible mistakes even when those mistakes are fresh in our minds and we're still feeling the fallout.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 6:19 AM

HKCAVALIER

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
*who, btw, is a gal.*
Edit: My position is largely based on having lived in Iran and traveled in the Middle East. I also take into account tidbits of facts I read on the internet that don't jive with the official story.

Hey CTS, I'm sorry I forgot, haven't heard from you in a while (or I haven't really been overly diligent about reading these threads for a while).

One important point I keep reminding myself to bring up (thanks for reminding me) is that the architects of the GWOT (for the senior citizens on board, that's "Global War on Terror") want us to equate "hate" with "membership in a terrorist cell." How many peopl hate Bush in this country and yet how many of those people are actually planning Terrorist strikes against him? Some of my best friends hate George Bush and not a one of them has such dreams, let alone the infrastructure to carry out paramilitary strikes against Dubya.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 6:22 AM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
What're you trying to imply :shifty eyes:

Sorry, the "HE" was referring to ShadowFly...

I can only agree with your sentiment.
I currently work with a Muslim, though he seems to become more and more agnostic, he surely is no terrorist.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 6:50 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
the architects of the GWOT (for the senior citizens on board, that's "Global War on Terror") want us to equate "hate" with "membership in a terrorist cell."

Excellent and critical distinction.

And no problem on forgetting my gender. I HAVE been gone for a while. I'm living in Peru now, and just got internet in my home after 6 months, so I'm back. It is always good to hear from you anyway. You are the light of our threads, always with your eloquent insights. (Gorram it, I am starting to sound like a Bible-thumpin' nut.)

Anyway, back on topic, here is another important distinction. Most people in other countries don't equate Americans with the American government. In my travels, I haven't even seen that many folks who hate us. I was in Egypt just last year. Did everyone I meet hate Bush? Hell, yes. Did they hate Americans? Nah. See, they aren't under the delusion that we actually have any say in what our govt does, so how could they blame us, anymore than they can blame themselves for their own govt's actions?

Many, many ordinary folks in the Arab world directly or indirectly depend on the US economy for their livelihoods. They know if we fall, they fall. Our destruction means no more oil money, no more tourist dollars, no more foreign aid. Would they be happy to see our arrogance brought down a notch? You bet. Would they be happy to see us dead, or even be instrumental in killing us? They are normal people who get sickened by carnage, just like everybody else. That is what our govt is trying to get us to forget.

Citizen is right. All this propaganda smacks of the demonization of Jews during Nazi Germany.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 7:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by pdcharles:
Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
What're you trying to imply :shifty eyes:

Sorry, the "HE" was referring to ShadowFly...

I can only agree with your sentiment.
I currently work with a Muslim, though he seems to become more and more agnostic, he surely is no terrorist.

That's right, bow down and kiss his arse to be included.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 7:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
That's right, bow down and kiss his arse to be included.

Yes, as we all know in order to be an individual you have to act and think in the way rubber stamped by ShadowFly6914

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 7:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Why? You want to see how many people support your genocidal appetite?
I want to know how many people support SOMEBODY's genocidal appetite.

For those people who aren't extreme enough to be genocidal, I would like to know how they DO view the threat that our govt tells us we're facing.

You're scrambling to find people who support your facist outlook. It's fine by me if you want to sit in your garage, cleaning your guns and hoping for the next, great crusade. Starting a "Stand up and be Counted" thread just to quell your insecurities. You're not foolin' anyone boy.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 7:33 AM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Quote:
Originally posted by pdcharles:
Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
What're you trying to imply :shifty eyes:

Sorry, the "HE" was referring to ShadowFly...

I can only agree with your sentiment.
I currently work with a Muslim, though he seems to become more and more agnostic, he surely is no terrorist.

That's right, bow down and kiss his arse to be included.

Listen... Don't include me in YOUR fantasies. Just asking questions and making things clear. Both of which u seem to have trouble with.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 7:45 AM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Thanks so much, Chrisisall.

That is the kind of answer I was looking for.

You are the salt of our threads. (You preserve them and make them taste good at the same time. )

Looks to me like you found some of the blind to stand up and support your position, and voice their bigotry and genocidal tendencies, with sad attempts at rationalizations. All of you must attend the same fascist meetings.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 12:38 PM

ZISKER

Good question.

Probably a few tens of thousands the world over would take a great amount of glee at America going down, but I chalk this up to political/social/economic conditions and the fact that they're Muslim is incidental.

I haven't met a single Muslim in the US who wants to see the country destroyed - that said, the ones I knew from countries like Egypt and Lebanon said they had family members who "wouldn't mind seeing it, but wouldn't contribute either". I've also heard that when they say they "hate America" they mean "hate the American government".

Those people are the sources that have influenced me the most, and it makes me think that most Muslims who "hate" America "hate" it in the same way that I "hate" France . . .it's just who you "hate".

I'll go around the live-long day saying how much I hate France and want to see those frogs belly-up and that we should send a boy scout troop over there to invade and see how fast they surrended - but do I really display any prejudice against the French I meet? No. Do I really want France to go down? Of course not.

I think it's probably the same with most anyone who "hates" America.

If you can't do something smart, do something right.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 1:12 PM

Our government and the media made more out of a few thousand fanatics. Add 9-11 plus our actions after that into the mix and to the average American it looks like the whole Muslim world is out to get us, which is the image that the current US administration wanted in the first place to further their own agenda. The average Joe in the Muslim world and the USA on the whole, hates the other country, but doesn’t have a problem with the individual people.

Funny you should mention France. Do you know that there were more freedom fighters after the war than during the war?

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 1:25 PM

COPTERDOC

Not all muslims are terrorists,

But,

So far all the terrorists have been muslims.

"I do, but I like to hear you say it"

"They ain't all cute and cuddly like me"

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 1:27 PM

SOUPCATCHER

I read that around 10,000 had gone through training in al Qaeda camps. Haven't been able to find the book I read it in so I can't verify the actual number or the time span covered. I would estimate some smaller sub-set of that number would be hard-core.

I would be surprised if the number of people worldwide who geniunely want to destroy the United States, eliminate us as a people and salt the ground topped 60,000 (or one-thousandth of a percent of total population - give or take a few thousand). Of that, the amount that actually have the means to carry out an attack on American soil are probably in the low thousands (if that). Of that, the number who have a legitimate shot at succeeding in their goal are zero.

I don't think I'm going out on a limb by believing that my country cannot be destroyed by terrorists. We can, however, be changed into something that would be anathema to the founders of this country by those seeking to protect us from terrorists.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 1:28 PM

SOUPCATCHER

Quote:
Originally posted by copterdoc:
Not all muslims are terrorists,

But,

So far all the terrorists have been muslims.

I didn't realize Timothy McVeigh was muslim.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 1:35 PM

COPTERDOC

From the orginal post and the spirit of the rest of the thread I took the question to address threats from external sources and not domestic threats.

"I do, but I like to hear you say it"

"They ain't all cute and cuddly like me"

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 1:53 PM

SOUPCATCHER

Quote:
Originally posted by copterdoc:
From the orginal post and the spirit of the rest of the thread I took the question to address threats from external sources and not domestic threats.

My mistake. When I read your, "So far all the terrorists have been muslims." I interpreted that as, "All the terrorists who have carried out attacks against citizens of the United States have been muslims." Which would include homegrown terrorists such as Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh in addition to al Qaeda. I stand corrected.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 2:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Why? You want to see how many people support your genocidal appetite?

There is no question that a portion of the Islamic world wants to see America burn. But not just America, the entire Western culture.

It's no exaggeration, no lie, no anything but absolute hard, cold fact.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 3:04 PM

COPTERDOC

Not trying to correct anybody. Just explaining what I was talking about. This middle east VS. west thing has been brewing for hundreds of years. We could sit around and debate it for days. Their hatered for us comes from seeds that were planted during the crusades and even before. The western world has always flexed its muscles over them, from those days, through the british colonial days, through today. The USA just happens to be the leader of the western world when they were able to strike back somewhat. Not trying to sound un-american, because I am not. I served my country proudly as a marine for a few years. I just don't think most people really understand how deep seated their anger is.

"I do, but I like to hear you say it"

"They ain't all cute and cuddly like me"

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 3:12 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by copterdoc:
Not all muslims are terrorists,

But,

So far all the terrorists have been muslims.

I was unaware Willian Krar was a Muslim, musta make his Klan membership a little on the shaky side, eh ?

But no, it's all A-OK when racist, rightwing extremists wanna use terror weapons, right ?

Truth is, since whoever *was* on the planes on 9-11 used phony identification, and subsequently a couple of the accused have been found elsewhere alive and well... we do not know.

We may NEVER know, who exactly, was on those planes, but it's not like it matters, cause they're dead.

Assholes abound in every belief system, one has naught to do with the other.

-Frem

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 4:41 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
I hear this a lot: "There are hordes of Islamic crazies who hate America and want to see us destroyed. We need to exterminate their brown asses before they exterminate us."

I really, really want to know how many actually believe this, and if not, what do they believe?

a. How many Islamic crazies bent on terrorizing us do YOU think there are? Who do you think they are?

Millions, hundreds of thousands, thousands, hundreds, less than a hundred, a couple dozen....??

b. What source of information do you say most influenced you to believe what you believe?

TV, newspapers, books, internet, the Bible, your political party, personal travels, ...?

Thanks.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

I would say your question needs to be refined a little....

There is how many want to, and how many simply wish it to happen, and for that matter how many non-muslims feel the same way.

The next question is why

The answer depends on where in the world you are from,

The Muslim view holds the west in general to account for actions going way back in history, but for the purpose of this thread I will only go back to WW1. In order to draw allies to fight the turks in the Middle East, the British promised amongst other things self rule, etc. After the war, the discovery of oil caused the Arabs to be screwed...
Borders were drawn without reguard to the local and the " empires " of the day split up the spoils. This led to several revolts against the British and French, and these were put down with little mercy, one revolt had the British ( under orders from Winston Churchill when he was a minister ) to use chemical weapons to take down a Kurdish uprising in Iraq... Funny today the are taking Saddam to trial for the same thing ?

This led to a series of dictators bankrolled and supported by outside powers using whatever means to keep power, the US in recent decades has done this all over the world.

Look at Cuba for example, look at what the US has against Castro... but then look at what their man Batista did while in power ? Think about it from the pespective of someone living in Cuba ?

then do the same for Argentina, or Chile, or El Salvador, or Egypt, or Saudi Arabia, or so on and so on.

I could go on, but I hope you see my point...

So

a. How many are bent on terrorizing the US ?

How many has the US terrorized the past fifty years ? Take that number and multiply by three

b. What source of information

TV, News, Internet, personal travel and talking to people who lived through some of what I talked about.

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 5:19 PM

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Our government and the media made more out of a few thousand fanatics. Add 9-11 plus our actions after that into the mix and to the average American it looks like the whole Muslim world is out to get us, which is the image that the current US administration wanted in the first place to further their own agenda.

So speaks the high and mighty.
Wanna run for President now, ShadowBEE?

Chrisisall

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 5:25 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

How many has the US terrorized the past fifty years ?

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"We do not kill, Mr. Brent. We get our enemies to kill each other."

Chrisisall

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 5:38 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

How many has the US terrorized the past fifty years ?
Applicable quote:
"We do not kill, Mr. Brent. We get our enemies to kill each other."

Chrisisall

Here is a few more quotes

History is a set of lies agreed upon.
Napoleon Bonaparte

Do not needlessly endanger your lives until I give you the signal.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.
Adolf Hitler

Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government.
Thomas Jefferson

The executive has no right, in any case, to decide the question, whether there is or is not cause for declaring war.
James Madison

Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose - and you allow him to make war at pleasure.
Abraham Lincoln

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 7:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I don't kid myself into thinking that very few people hate us. LOTS of people all over the world hate us. And I don't mean moderately hate us, I mean really hate us. A teacher who happened to be in China said that what he thought were his Chinese friends and colleagues stood up and cheered when the WTC towers fell. A lot of poor in South and Central America hate us. Ditto Africa. And the Mideast. Right now, with Israel just having invaded the Gaza, I would imagine the overwhelming majority of the Palestinians spit at our name. If there were to be another successful terrorist attack on USA, they would be deliriously happy. But out of those hundred of millions of people who hate us, there are probably several tens of thousands who will actually do something about it.

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

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Saturday, July 1, 2006 8:18 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I don't kid myself into thinking that very few people hate us. LOTS of people all over the world hate us. And I don't mean moderately hate us, I mean really hate us. A teacher who happened to be in China said that what he thought were his Chinese friends and colleagues stood up and cheered when the WTC towers fell. A lot of poor in South and Central America hate us. Ditto Africa. And the Mideast. Right now, with Israel just having invaded the Gaza, I would imagine the overwhelming majority of the Palestinians spit at our name. If there were to be another successful terrorist attack on USA, they would be deliriously happy. But out of those hundred of millions of people who hate us, there are probably several tens of thousands who will actually do something about it.

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

What I have a hard time understanding is the why behind the policys which cause such ill will...

I can see the masses blindly following in a patriotic frenzy... but can someone who rises to lead such a powerful country... and there has been some very intellegent ones... be so short sighted

The end result of 911, Afganistan and Iraq...

out of those hundred of millions you speak of ...
they now have some hope of causing you serious harm

and many of them have your troops close at hand to shoot at....

You lost prestige when you were attacked

Since then your leaders have sold your credibility

Treasure and Lives thrown away on a daily basis

It seems the number who wish you harm grow a little everytime your country try to insert itself globally

And the number who would do something about increases with any direct interaction with these efforts

I'd say Bin Laden has read some Sun Tzu

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

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Sunday, July 2, 2006 12:33 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Do not needlessly endanger your lives until I give you the signal.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

That was funny! It's like a speech given by Zedillo (to paraphrase) - last year Mexico stood on the edge of a precipice, but I am happy to say we've taken a great step forward.

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