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Today's launch of Space Shuttle Discovery has been postponed for 24 hours because of weather. The preferred launch time for tomorrow is 3:26 p.m. from Kennedy Space Center.
www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/main/index.html

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Styrofoam Shuttle Columbia melted during reentry
www.joecarr.ca/astro/shuttle/Default.htm

"The cost of each launch has turned out to be 100 times greater than originally planned. Two of the first 113 flights ended in catastrophe. The shuttle has a 1-in-56 chance of not making it back. The FAA noted that if airlines had the same accident rate as the shuttle, we would lose 40 airplanes every day."
-Chicago Tribune, "Disturbing Shuttle Discoveries"
www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-0507310397jul31,1,7203153.c
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Black Box transcript
Challenger Space Shuttle


VIDEO: www.fas.org/spp/civil/sts/launch2.mpg

The following transcript begins two seconds after NASA's official version ends, with pilot Michael Smith saying, "Uh-oh!"

Times from the moment of takeoff are shown in minutes and seconds and are approximate.

The sex of the speaker is indicated by M or F.

T+1:15 (M)
What happened? What happened? Oh God, no - no!

T+1:17 (F)
Oh dear God.

T+1:18 (M)
Turn on your air pack! Turn on your air...

T+1:20 (M)
Can't breathe... choking...

T+1:21 (M)
Lift up your visor!

T+1:22 (M/F)
(Screams.) It's hot. (Sobs.) I can't. Don't tell me...God! Do it...now...

T+1:24 (M)
I told them... I told them... Dammit! Resnik don't...

T+1:27 (M)
Take it easy! Move (unintelligible)...

T+1:28 (F)
Don't let me die like this. Not now. Not here...

T+1:31 (M)
Your arm... no... I (extended garble, static)

T+1:36 (F)
I'm... passing... out...

T+1:37 (M)
We're not dead yet.

T+1:40 (M)
If you ever wanted (unintelligible) me a miracle... (unintelligible)... (screams)

T+1:41 (M)
She's... she's... (garble) ... damn!

T+1:50 (M)
Can't breathe...

T+1:51 (M/F)
(screams) Jesus Christ! No!

T+1:54 (M)
She's out.

T+1:55 (M)
Lucky... (unintelligible).

T+1:56 (M)
God. The water... we're dead! (screams)

T+2:00 (F)
Goodbye (sobs)... I love you, I love you...

T+2:03 (M)
Loosen up... loosen up...

T+2:07 (M)
It'll just be like a ditch landing...

T+2:09 (M)
That's right, think positive.

T+2:11 (M)
Ditch procedure...

T+2:14 (M)
No way!

T+2:17 (M)
Give me your hand...

T+2:19 (M)
You awake in there? I... I...

T+2:29 (M)
Our Father... (unintelligible)...

T+2:42 (M)
hallowed be Thy name... (unintelligible).

T+2:58 (M)
The Lord is my shepherd, I shall...not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures... though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil... I will dwell in the house...

T+3:15 to end
None. Static, silence.

(crash, sink to bottom of ocean)

transcript published in CIA mind-kontrol tabloid, Weekly World News, February 1991

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Challenger Transcript
Snopes.com
Urban Legend Myths

Seventy-three seconds into the January 1986 flight of the space shuttle Challenger, the craft exploded, killing the seven astronauts aboard. (Videotapes released by NASA showed that a few seconds before the explosion, an unusual plume of fire and smoke could be seen spewing from the lower section of the shuttle's right solid-fuel rocket.) It was generally assumed -- and NASA did little to disturb this opinion -- that all aboard died the moment the external tank blew up.

NASA later conceded it was likely that at least three of the crewmen aboard remained conscious for a few moments after the explosion, and perhaps even longer. The agency was highly secretive about matters relating to the Challenger tragedy, actively fighting in the courts media requests to be allowed access to photos of the wreckage, the details of the settlements made with the crews' families, or the autopsy reports, and this reticience to share information likely convinced some that there was more to the story than was being told.

Not everyone aboard died the exact second the external tank exploded -- that much is known.

www.snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/challenger.asp

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Remembrance of Fallen Heroes

NASA John H. Glenn Research Center
Media Relations Office

January 28, 2004

The seven heroes whose lives ended a year ago aboard the Space Shuttle Columbia will be among those remembered during a ceremony at NASA's Glenn Research Center, Cleveland, on January 29.

Names will be read of the 46 test pilots, astronauts and support personnel who gave their lives to expand frontiers in air and space.

www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/PAO/pressrel/2004/04-008.html

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"When Fox pointed out that eleven Apollo astronauts all had non-space related fatal accidents within a twenty-two month period of one another, he failed to mention that the odds of this happening were 1 in 10,000."
-Bart Sibrel, www.MoonMovie.com

"How are we going to get to the Moon when we can't even talk between two buildings? I can't hear a word you're saying."
—Gus Grissom, atronaut, commander of Apollo 1, famous last words before he and his crew were cooked alive in the Command Module on the launch pad during a "routine" test, FOX TV, "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?" 2000

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Apollo 11 Outtake - Official NASA photo on moonset
"That's one small step for Man, one giant leap for (crash)... Well, I guess you want to do it again?!"
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/10398.php

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
www.murderresearch.com

I can be repetetive too.

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Originally posted by rue:
Hey OldEnglandDry,

How are you?

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Originally posted by citizen:
So I went out to buy my snake some rats the other day, but they didn't have any, they only had mice, but the mice were huge, like bigger than the rats I ussually get, what's up with that?

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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NASA Northwoods aboard Enterprise?

The orginal Northwoods document from 1962, later the blueprint for 9/11, featured a reccomendation by the Jont Chiefs of Staff to sabotage a NASA flight and blame it on imagined enemies as pretext for war.

Capt. Eric May, U.S. Army, ret., outlines the possibility of such a scenario in relation to this weekend's schedule dlaunch of the Space Shuttle Enterprise here:

AUDIO DOWNLOAD:
www.cloakanddagger.de/shows/webcast/Ghost%20Troop/CLOAK-GHOSTJUN26_06.
mp3

www.total411.info/2006/07/nasa-northwoods-aboard-enterprise.html

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Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist

by H. Michael Sweeney
www.MKZine.com
Spring/Summer 2003

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

www.whale.to/m/disin.html
www.911review.org/Wiki/RulesOfDisinformation.shtml
www.whale.to/b/sweeney.html

Examples & response:
www.proparanoid.net/truth.htm

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Originally posted by piratenews:
NASA must have read my post....

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A humpback whale freed by divers from a tangle of crab trap lines near the Farallon Islands nudged its rescuers and flapped around in what marine experts said was a rare and remarkable encounter.

"It felt to me like it was thanking us, knowing that it was free and that we had helped it," James Moskito, one of the rescue divers, said Tuesday. "It stopped about a foot away from me, pushed me around a little bit and had some fun."....

...the rescuers had reached the whale and evaluated the situation. Team members realized the only way to save the endangered leviathan was to dive into the water and cut the ropes. It was a very risky maneuver, Stoudt said, because the mere flip of a humpback's massive tail can kill a man.

"I was the first diver in the water, and my heart sank when I saw all the lines wrapped around it," said Moskito, a 40-year-old Pleasanton resident who works with "Great White Adventures," a cage-diving outfit that contracts with Menigoz. "I really didn't think we were going to be able to save it."

...At least 12 crab traps, weighing 90 pounds each, hung off the whale, the divers said. The combined weight was pulling the whale downward, forcing it to struggle mightily to keep its blow- hole out of the water.

Moskito and three other divers spent about an hour cutting the ropes with a special curved knife. The whale floated passively in the water the whole time, he said, giving off a strange kind of vibration.

"When I was cutting the line going through the mouth, its eye was there winking at me, watching me," Moskito said. "It was an epic moment of my life."

When the whale realized it was free, it began swimming around in circles, according to the rescuers. Moskito said it swam to each diver, nuzzled him and then swam to the next one.

"It seemed kind of affectionate, like a dog that's happy to see you,'' Moskito said. "I never felt threatened. It was an amazing, unbelievable experience."

"You hate to anthropomorphize too much, but the whale was doing little dives and the guys were rubbing shoulders with it," Menigoz said. "I don't know for sure what it was thinking, but it's something that I will always remember. It was just too cool."

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How's that circle jerk going, Mr Citizen, Mr Hero? Just like at Bohemian Grove... You guys aren't sitting nekked at your computers, are you?

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5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

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Now is it just me or does PN's opening statement directed at myself and Hero actually fit pretty much all the above criteria?

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transcript published in... Weekly World News, February 1991

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Discovery ruled safe for lift-off

BBC News
4 July 2006

The space shuttle Discovery will launch as planned on Tuesday despite the discovery of a defect on its fuel tank, Nasa officials have confirmed.
Engineers in Florida said a crack in the insulation foam lining the tank was not considered to be a serious problem and did not need to be repaired.

A small triangle of material was seen to flake away from the container during a routine check.

The flake fell from a cracked region of foam covering a bracket on the tank which holds a fuel pipe carrying liquid oxygen.

It is a region that is known to expand and contract during launch activities.

Engineers believe ice built up in the area after rainfall on Sunday, and that it crushed the piece of foam when the tank expanded on being drained after the cancelled launch.

Foam-shedding has been a persistent problem for the American shuttle programme, and was responsible for the catastrophic loss of the Columbia vehicle and its crew of seven in 2003.

On that occasion, a suitcase-sized chunk of material punched a hole in the ship's left wing during take-off, opening the orbiter to the destructive superheated gases experienced in a re-entry.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5137462.stm



The Discovery orbiter has blasted away from the Kennedy Space Center - on a hot and sunny US Independence Day.

The shuttle flight is the first of 2006 and only the second since the catastrophic loss of the Columbia orbiter three years ago.

There was some concern among US space agency (Nasa) officials after several pieces of debris appeared to fall off the external fuel tank shortly after lift-off.

"About two minutes and 47 seconds, give or take, we saw three, perhaps four, pieces come off," said Wayne Hale, the shuttle programme manager.

He added that it was unclear whether the objects were insulating foam or "something else", but said it was too high to cause damage to the craft.

Engineers will continue to scrutinise detailed photos of the latest lift-off to check on the structural integrity of Discovery.

And when the vehicle nears the space station on Thursday, it will perform a backflip so that the ISS crew can inspect further the shuttle's heat-resistant surfaces, particularly on its belly.

At least one of the walks will be devoted to testing materials and repair techniques that could be used to fix the shuttle's surface tiles in the event of launch damage.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5146866.stm

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Famous Last Words

"The coolest thing for me is hanging by a window just after sunrise and watch the stars in the big black dome of the sky as the Earth moves underneath. My eyes are really glued to the outside. It is just absolutely amazing, magical, wonderful thing to do that."
-Dr Kawpana Chawla, who was slowly cooked in curry sauce on Columbia Space Shuttle

"You are in the blackest black you could ever imagine. I have reached the statute of limitations on a secret of the space program: How do you... go to the bathroom? Then you hear 'bloop, bloop, bloop, blooooop. I never did find out what that was. Where's my huggy pillow?"
-Captain Ron Evans, US Navy, serial killing Vietnam veteran bomber pilot, Apollo 17, died of "heart attack" in 1990 (aged 57)

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Shuttle crew faces 1-in-100 chance of dying

CNN
June 27, 2006

The seven crew members of the space shuttle Discovery arrived at Kennedy Space Center on Tuesday to begin training for a spaceflight next month in which each will have a 1-in-100 chance of dying.

Those are the official odds that NASA has long given.

Exactly what the real odds are is a question that looms larger than normal this time.

That is because two top officials at NASA took the unusual step of dissenting from the space agency's decision to go ahead with the launch without correcting the potentially catastrophic problem of foam falling from the external fuel tank. That was the problem that doomed the Columbia 3 1/2 years ago.

The agency's safety director and chief engineer wanted to wait and repair the problem.

Michael Stamatelatos, who as director of safety and assurance requirements at NASA is the agency's risk guru, said NASA's 1-in-100 odds for the loss a vehicle and its crew should be taken with a grain of salt, because NASA used to say the chances were 1 in 7,000 until Challenger proved that to be overly optimistic.

"Now we know that's not true," Stamatelatos said. "That was based on insufficient information."

He said there are too many uncertainties to say precisely what the odds might be this time.

The more NASA studies what goes on, the more the agency finds that the risks were really far higher than originally thought, because so much more could go wrong than engineers figured, said Paul Fischbeck, a Carnegie Mellon University engineering and decision sciences professor.

Fischbeck, a former military pilot, said he is disturbed by NASA's decision to go ahead and launch. He said the foam hit that caused a fatal hole in the Columbia's heat-protection layer in 2003 took the agency completely by surprise. Engineers thought they had repaired that problem before Discovery's return to flight last summer, only to find another foam problem.

"Both those things should be shaking their engineers to the core," said Fischbeck, who has consulted with NASA on the shuttle heat shield risk. "You're flying with stuff you know is not going to work right."

The uncertainty about the foam worried NASA safety chief Bryan O'Connor. He dissented from the launch decision but did not appeal, because NASA has drawn up plans to send the crew to the international space station to await rescue if the shuttle skin should be damaged.

O'Connor, a former shuttle commander, helped investigate the Challenger accident and was in his safety chief job less than a year when Columbia disintegrated as it soared toward its landing.

www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/06/27/shuttle.risk.ap/index.html

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Crack Found in Foam on Shuttle

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) - Inspectors found a 5-inch-long crack in the foam insulation covering the shuttle Discovery's external fuel tank, and NASA managers were deciding Monday whether to call off the scheduled Fourth of July launch.

The inspectors found the crack, which was 8 inches deep, in the foam on a bracket near the top of the external fuel tank.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060703/D8IKI3N82.html

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VIDEO DOWNLOAD: APOLLO 11 OUTTAKE
Official NASA video marked "LIVE FROM THE SURFACE OF THE MOON". "That's one small step for Man, one giant leap for (crash)... Well, I guess you want to do it again?!" Then a team of Stanley Kubrick's film crew in London picks up the fallen studio lighting and helps Neil Armstrong climb back up the ladder of the LEM.
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/apollo11-outtake.wmv
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/10398.php

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http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/6737.php
www.piratenews.org/hollywood.html
www.ufoetry.com

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FASTEN YOUR SEAT BELTS - THE CAPN HAS TURNED ON THE NO FEAR SIGN


It took 20 years before this picture could be taken, but at last the shuttle is serving one its most fundamental purposes -- ferrying cargo and crews to and from an orbiting space station.


John Shannon, NASA’s deputy shuttle program manager, said that in worst case scenario – in which fuel is leaking and not harmless nitrogen, something that is not yet certain – one of Discovery’s three auxiliary power units (APUs) may be leaking a total of about six drops an hour, or about 100,000 times below the fire hazard limit.

“We’re okay where we are right now,” Shannon said, adding that extra checks of the APU are planned to Sunday. “If it’s hydrazine, at the current leak rate we really don’t have any concerns with using it right now.”

Shuttle APUs provide the power required for hydraulic systems that move an orbiter’s elevons, vertical stabilizer flaps, landing gear and other systems required during landing.

To generate power, the units use hydrazine for fuel and gaseous nitrogen to generate pressure. Either one of those materials may be the source of the leak in APU 1. The leak’s presence is suggested by a minute yet steady drop in tank pressure, but the aft section of Discovery that houses the unit lacks the necessary sensors to know for sure.

“The question is what’s leaking,” said Shannon, who also chairs Discovery’s STS-121 Mission Management Team, during a briefing here at NASA’s Johnson Space Center. “There is some anecdotal evidence, actual even better than anecdotal evidence, that it’s nitrogen and if it is than it’s no issue at all. In my view, it’s a coin flip.”

Based on that uncertainty, NASA managers and engineers are assuming the worst – a hydrazine leak – and have developed a test to determine whether drip is stable or could degrade further. If a Sunday checkout of the system, in which engineers plan to run the power unit briefly to see if its pressure drops more than the current rate, is unfavorable, NASA plans to run the APU until its fuel is used up and take it offline during reentry.

While a shuttle can land on one APU if necessary, all three are preferred for redundancy. APU 1, in particular, is the only unit powering Discovery’s landing gear. If it is taken offline, the shuttle will have to fire a set of pyrotechnic charges to deploy its main and nose landing gears, Shannon said.

Either way, there is no risk of a repeat fire such as that seen during NASA’s STS-9 shuttle flight in 1983, in which a large hydrazine leak sprayed the toxic fuel on a hot surface and ignited two APUs, Shannon said. One other leak early in the shuttle program – during approach and landing tests – actually seeped gallons of the stuff into the vehicle’s aft compartment, but did not ignite, he added.

Discovery’s STS-121 astronaut crew is slated to land at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center on July 17 at 9:14 a.m. EDT (1314 GMT). The spaceflight is NASA’s second shuttle mission since the 2003 Columbia accident.

Problems with the station’s robotic arm delayed a late inspection of Discovery’s port wing by almost an hour Friday. Astronaut Lee Archambault, serving as spacecraft communicator, told Lindsey that flight controllers were willing to pull the port wing scan – which is part of two-day inspection to determine whether tiny meteorites have struck critical heat shield areas during Discovery’s flight – from the STS-121 crew’s scheduled altogether.

www.space.com/missionlaunches/060714_sts121_leakconcerns.html

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Space.com wrote:

“The question is what’s leaking,” said Shannon, who also chairs Discovery’s STS-121 Mission Management Team, during a briefing here at NASA’s Johnson Space Center. In my view, it’s a coin flip.” NASA managers and engineers are assuming the worst – a hydrazine leak.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Oh, hey... if we manage to prove they're aliens, wouldn't they be ILLEGAL aliens, and we could deport them ?
-Frem

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Erhm, PN ?

Part of that is for whatever damnfool design oversight, the shuttle does not have a grounding strap (a device used to ground off static electricity built up during flight) and to connect one would risk a spark when attached, so they have to wait for the charge to dissipate before prior to disembarking.

I'm sure folks with actual experience in aviation can explain that issue better.

Instead of bitchin so damn much, why don't ya go dig up some info on alternatives and present it, make yourself useful, eh?

-Frem

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Although safe, Discovery's hourlong descent from orbit was marked by some unusual events, reminders that spaceflight always involves a multitude of risks big and small:

One of three power units needed to power the hydraulic landing systems was leaking, but operated properly. NASA still does not know whether harmless nitrogen gas or flammable hydrazine was escaping.

The sound of gunshots and blaring car horns heralded Discovery's return; NASA made the racket to keep birds out of the shuttle's path. As it turns out, the shuttle was decorated with bird droppings before liftoff, and the residue made it all the back from orbit, albeit a bit charred.

Griffin noted that NASA faces 16 more shuttle flights to complete the space station and, hopefully, repair the popular Hubble Space Telescope (that can't see any evidence that Apollo landed on the Moon).

NASA is up against a hard 2010 deadline for completing the space station. That's when the three remaining shuttles will be retired to make way for a new spaceship capable of carrying astronauts to the moon and eventually on to Mars (bullshit).

http://news.yahoo.com

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