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Originally posted by Exodus:
Or I got them from online dictionaries and the definitions are quite contrary to what you thought.

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Right = Conservative views.
Left = Liberal views.

Disagree? Go take it up with your local University.

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I have read enough of your statements to know that you are a liberal. Also, if you read my earlier posts, you would know why I deemed myself a Conservative/Moderate. Since you probably won't go to revisit my post I will just state it again. Ideologically I am a conservative. I am religious, I am quite introverted, I enjoy intellectual studies, and I like watching appropriate movies. I called myself a moderate as well because I am a Socialist for the most part. I believe in the classes, but less separation between them and less of a broad class-system if you know what I mean (tell me in your next post if you do not understand I will further clarify).

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A 91% and a 90% final grades can speak for themselves.

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Libertarian still not Liberal, Left wing still does not mean Liberal, Communism still not Liberal.

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All Liberal views are left wing, but not all left wing views are Liberal.

That's how Fascism can be an extreme right wing ideology without being a Conservative Ideology, understand?

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I got what you were saying the first time around thanks and I've seen enough of your statements to know that you are a Conservative, despite your protestations to the contrary. Also wanting to bring the classes together isn't Socialist, if you wanted to remove the class system then you could say you had some Socialist ideals, bringing the classes closer together is more like Liberalism than Socialism.

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It means you can regurgitate reams of information on command, not necessarily that you understand it or that you are in this circumstance accurately representing it.

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Originally posted by Exodus:
Ok, you're repetitive responses are starting to get under my skin a bit. I want you to prove that Liberterianism and Communism are both not Liberal ideologies considering liberalism is broadness as you saw in the definition I posted.

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A fellow walks down the street proclaiming Anarhcism to his friend. A guy walking past him hears this and then mutters to himself "What a liberal!" Understand now? I think you have a misconception of the actual words conservative and liberal (without their political meaning).

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You clearly did not read properly or you do not understand the definition of Socialism, allow me to clarify.

Socialism: A system based on public ownership of the means of production and distribution of wealth.

Distribution of wealth (ie. bringing the classes closer together by giving more to the poor).

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That is the same excuse I heard from most kids who are failing the course but refuse to say that they are just incompetent and still believe they are "intellectual". If I can regurgitate this information at will, it clearly means I know the information. This means that I have processed it and therefore understand it. Good marks do equal intelligence on the contrary to what most slacking students say.

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Originally posted by Exodus:
I agree as well that the terms have lost their meanings (as I have stated in an earlier post) but they are essential for finding out what kind of person someone is. It is also essential in politics since politics is pretty much about the never-ending struggle between right and left. In the end, liberalism is still broad as it pretty much occupies anyone who is not conservative, regardless of their ideology stance. This is why I believe that the political scale is in need of a major revamp in order to get more accurate results from it (and as we can see in this thread, the political scale is not that accurate anymore).

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My answers are repetitive because yours are repetitive. You are making the claim that Liberalism means everything except Conservatism, so how about you prove it, how about you prove that a liberal is a fascist, that Liberalism means fascism since that is part of the claim you are making. It's fairly easy to prove that a communist isn't a Liberal, here's a clue if a communist was a Liberal they would be called a Liberal, not a communist.

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A five year old could tell the difference between a Monarchist and a Liberal, why do you have so much trouble with it?

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Liberalism is a political ideology that seeks freedom of thought for individuals, a market economy that supports private enterprise and free exchange of ideas.

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Man walks into a bar and says to the barman "I'm a neo-Marxist Anarchist and I don't believe in property, give me a pint" The bar man replies "Bloody Conservatives." Understand now?

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You don't know what a Conservative and a Liberal is, you’re the one who is deluded into think Conservative means Conservative and Liberal means everything else.

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The ultimate goal of the Socialist is a classless society, as laid down by Karl Marx.

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Oh so now I'm a failed student. I'm glad you know so much about my academic record...

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My computer has vast amounts of information that it can recall at will, so that must mean it understands all those different subjects huh.

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My answers are repetitive because yours are repetitive. You are making the claim that Liberalism means everything except Conservatism, so how about you prove it, how about you prove that a liberal is a fascist, that Liberalism means fascism since that is part of the claim you are making. It's fairly easy to prove that a communist isn't a Liberal, here's a clue if a communist was a Liberal they would be called a Liberal, not a communist.

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A five year old could tell the difference between a Monarchist and a Liberal, why do you have so much trouble with it?

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Liberalism is a political ideology that seeks freedom of thought for individuals, a market economy that supports private enterprise and free exchange of ideas.

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Man walks into a bar and says to the barman "I'm a neo-Marxist Anarchist and I don't believe in property, give me a pint" The bar man replies "Bloody Conservatives." Understand now?

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You don't know what a Conservative and a Liberal is, you’re the one who is deluded into think Conservative means Conservative and Liberal means everything else.

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The ultimate goal of the Socialist is a classless society, as laid down by Karl Marx.

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Oh so now I'm a failed student. I'm glad you know so much about my academic record...

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My computer has vast amounts of information that it can recall at will, so that must mean it understands all those different subjects huh.

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And when did Monarchy come into the discussion? This is the first time I am hearing of it.

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Liberalism is not a political system! Liberalism is a word used for classifying people who are generally of the left.

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That example is practically the same thing as mine so how is it so different? And dude, there is no way in Hell that an Anarchist is a Conservative. No offense or anything but that is just about the stupidest thing I have read on the Internet in a long time and I know many people will say the same thing.

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Yes, and according to you an Anarchist is a conservative... very believable.

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A) You just contradicted yourself, you stated above that Communism is a classless society.

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That is no the ultimate goal of a Socialist government. The ultimate goal is the distribution of wealth to create a society of not many classes. If you watch Fritz Lang's Metropolis you will see how it depicts a Socialist society with only two classes... the Thinkers, and the Workers.

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And where did I state that? I merely stated that your excuse sounds very similar to what a failed student would say to me.

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So you are comparing me to a computer now?

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You've been to all Universities, wow that's some feat. If you and your political science professor use a different classification to the rest of the universe, or, indeed if you misunderstood what (s)he tried to teach you, then that's not my problem.

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When you said Liberals are "all other political ideologies besides conservatism".

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Liberalism is the term for Liberals like Conservatism is the term for Conservatives, the clues in the name, funny how you missed it.

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Well the idea of a Conservative being an Anarchist is at about the same region of believability as Liberals are Fascists.

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Erm, no I didn't. If I had said "Communism is not a classless society" that would have been a contradiction, I didn't, so it isn't. Pure Socialism isn't Communism, but they both aim toward creating a Marxist society.

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Now you're contradicting yourself, if you redistribute the wealth the idea is everyone has the same amount, meaning you have just one class, or more appropriately no classes.

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Erm, no I didn't. If I had said "Communism is not a classless society" that would have been a contradiction, I didn't, so it isn't. Pure Socialism isn't Communism, but they both aim toward creating a Marxist society.

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Now you're contradicting yourself, if you redistribute the wealth the idea is everyone has the same amount, meaning you have just one class, or more appropriately no classes.

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Hmm missed the concept of implication did we?

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Well this is quite interesting. You've read and remembered my post and missed about half of the ideas contained within. You've missed the point, much how you seem to have missed the point with your political science course.

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Now are you going to actually attempt to prove how a Liberal is a Fascist, a Monarchist, a Communist, an Anarchist and so on or are you just going to dodge the question again and say the same thing you have for the last what, five posts?

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Originally posted by exodus:
And where did I state that?

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Since you have quoted it, please show me where I said this. If not, I am just going to assume you have been caught red-handed putting words in my mouth.

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In the end, liberalism is still broad as it pretty much occupies anyone who is not conservative

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Did you read anything about the three-classification system? There are only three things you can be, a conservative, a moderate, and a liberal. A conservative is on the right side of the political scale, a moderate is in the middle of the scale, and a liberal is on the left side of the scale. Is that clear?

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And if you read my post above, politically they are moderate since they are socialists and ideologically, they are extreme conservatives.

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No, otherwise they would both be called Communism. Socialism aims to make a society with less classes, not classless.

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Like I said, if it were like that, Socialism would be Communism. Distribution of the wealth means societal welfare (ie. a Socialist government installed in Canada would assure there would be public service programs and welfare for the needy making the classes closer together).

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Read that over again and then tell me it makes sense.

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Just stating a fact. You can decide for yourself whether anything offensive was said.

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Well the fact that I have people educated in post-seocndary level in Political Science saying I'm right does make me inclined to thing I am right.

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I already answered all of those, your best bet is to now reference to a political scale since clearly you are not understanding anything through text.

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