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Free Speech...unless you attack Democrats

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UPDATED: Sunday, September 10, 2006 06:20
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Saturday, September 9, 2006 4:07 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
"...it's the Dems who are trying to intimidate ABC w/ the force of Gov't to do their bidding..."

Come on, man. The Democrats have NO power. They can't even get their bills to the floor for a vote, much less force Disney to their bidding. Democrats can yell into microphones and shake their fists at the sky, but that's pretty much it...

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Saturday, September 9, 2006 6:28 AM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

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... Democrats can yell into microphones and shake their fists at the sky, but that's pretty much it...

and if the Committe Chairman feels like it he delcares the session over, shuts the microphones off, and leaves the chamber.

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Saturday, September 9, 2006 7:58 AM

RIGHTEOUS9

Razza, Feel free to disagree, but i'd challenge you to consider the issue more strenuously.

There are a number of liberal blogs, true. Whether they are being entirely honest or partisan doesn't really matter though, because they are small operations compared to CNN MSNBC the New York Times, etc. and as small operations, cannot garner the kind of credibility or the same audience that mainstream outlets can. Is there plenty of liberal news out there if you know where to look? Yes. Do most people know where to find it? Do they even know that when they turn on CNN they aren't watching liberal news? No.

Without making this too long,(I won't go media by media to point out the imbalance, unless I have to), I'll just ask you to consider all of the elements involved in the skewing of our news in a conservative light.

First, big companies really do benefit from deregulation, corporate welfare, tax cuts, pollution credit, killing of class action lawsuits, erosion of unions...etc - a lot of pet GOP projects.

Second, these same news producers get their money from sources that have money. They have no interest in offending companies that could pull their advertising, any more than they have any interest at honestly reporting on their own parent companies.

Third, They have no interest in having to bolster against threats of lawsuits, or in spending the extra resources to have to vet stories so that they are bulletproof. journalism is expensive, and it is much easier to take administration press briefings at face value than to research them. This by the way, has been done over and over again.

This isn't a vast conspiracy of ideals. It's a simple matter of money, the only thing that CEO's of companies can legally care about when acting as their Corporation's compass. That same compass allows the occasional liberal onto the air-waves, because faced with no competition he really does bring in ratings, but he constantly walks a line that cannot be crossed without great consequence.

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Saturday, September 9, 2006 8:29 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Come on, man. The Democrats have NO power.

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Saturday, September 9, 2006 8:31 AM

RAZZA

Righteous:

I can see I'm beating my head against a wall here. As I said before, conservatives would have the complete opposite view of the media's so called bias as you. In fact, I've heard these same arguements in direct contrast to your views from conservatives for years about the liberal bias in the media. I chuckle at your comments concerning the New York Times and CNN because they almost parrot those I've heard from conservatives who say they are obviously liberal.

These grand conspiracay theories about media bias are very entertaining whichever side of the political spectrum is espousing them, but they don't hold much water in my view. There are politically liberal media outlets as well as politically conservative media outlets. A smart citizen pays attention to both and forms their own opinion.

As for those who don't know the difference, I wouldn't worry too much because these same people probably don't have the time to vote anyway. Besides, both sides of the political debate have unquestioning masses who vote their way every two years regardless of facts and news stories.

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"History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon."

---Napoleon Bonaparte

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Saturday, September 9, 2006 10:55 AM

ANTIMASON

there is NOTHING more rediculous to me then the notion of a "left" or "right" -wing media bias conspiracy to promote a partisan agenda; its just outright ignorant.. and ive had enough of it. for example..i believe entirely that 9/11 was orchestrated by American interests; so who do i blame? everyone who shares this globalist utopian agenda of the NWO elites. maybe FOX news is a conservative mouthpiece...maybe CNN is a liberal mouthpiece... or just maybe... both idealogies are false, and each side is feeding you full of shit. both parties are using 9/11 for political gain..therefore both parties are complicit

does either party protect Americans against free trade? last i checked, Clinton and Bush both promoted this globalist agenda which has systematicall robbed us of our security and prosperity. what about border security? instead of doing what 80% of the public demands, rather, they are ensuring the slave labor status quo remains..meanwhile furthering new legistlation, such as the NAFTA superhighway. was it just the republicans envolved each time? no.. it was both parties

actually last i checked, neither party has solved any detrimental issue without leaving us in a worse position then we were before. terrorists hate our freedom.... so lets enact the bi-partisan Patriot act, to take for ourselves those alleged freedoms soo hated by "terrorists"

does it still matter to any of you what these people claim to believe in?

you take an issue vital to American prosperity, pervert and twist it, expose bigotries and biases, confuse the obvious solution, with propositions which neither solve nor benefit Americans; and then you give each party an opposing view, and let the brainwashed masses cheerlead over "their team" as the savior to every and all crisis...

wake up people! Jesus says "any nation divided against itself WILL NOT STAND!... to enter a strong mans house, you must first tie up the strong man". this is precisely what is happening!

its sickening... cant you see that politics has become a sport to corral the collective mentalities of citizens into one corner or another? is Bill Clinton merely a Democrat and Bush a Republican? they both elite globalists, from the same walk of life with the same worldview, indistinguishable from the other fasco Nazis of politics

what is so ironic to me is that we the conspiracy theorists- because we believe individuals beyond the illusion of party labels, collude to fullfill an eventual agenda; we're perceived as the crazies.

which is more rediculous?

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Saturday, September 9, 2006 11:03 AM

CAUSAL

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Originally posted by antimason:
Hero- i wish you would take the time to consider that both parties are in fact controlled by the same money interests, who use the opposing philosophies to play good cop/bad cop with the American public. for example...border security; neither party is stating the obvious(minus a few republicans) that national security is IMPOSSIBLE without border security, and America + millions of immigrants = third world economy; so why are our best interests constantly being defied? its not that hard to do the right thing.... only its because OUR interests are not the objective; PERIOD. im tired of listening to people get duped by this phony partisan rhetoric and influence... because they are both corrupt and diceptive idealogies devised to give false choices, rather then to offer solutions

as DT stated, when you look into the political reality of the New World Order agenda, suddenly the letter in front of a candidates name becomes trivial and irrelevant; the same CFR, multinational elitist agenda is forwarded regardless, because the central Banks finance everyone and anyone to complete each phase of their fascist global monetary plot

HEAR, HEAR!

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Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:20 AM

RIGHTEOUS9

Razza,

maybe I should make it clearer, and I'll respond to antimason at the same time.

Antimason, liberals from time to time find themselves on a democratic ticket. Democrat does not equal liberal however, and more often than not, you are correct, the democratic party is just the other half of the corporatist status quo. You'll get no argument here from me. CNN, FOx news, same thing you say? That's what I'm saying.

Razza, while I agree with you that the right says the media is liberally biased, my question would be "how in the fuck would it serve big media extensions to be liberal?" Jesus, just ask yourself that. I gave you ways in which these companies would be served by voting republican, and your counter argument was not to refute their viability, but just to try to lump me in with media talking points of the right that calls itself left leaning?

I already told you I"m not saying this is some vast conspiracy. As the CEO of viacom said, he simply votes and backs republicans because it makes sense to do so for the company. Are you going to tell me it doesn't make sense for a company then, to favor some stories over others? Are you going to tell me that news stations haven't recently been cited for actually doing commercials for their parent companies products on their news shows as if they were unbiased 'newsworthy' topics and then not even disclosing that they were affiliated with the products?

News has become an extention of the marketing department. It serves no public service any more, and in terms of marketing, truths can be inconvenient.

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