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Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Regardless of what he said, I don't know if I'd ever admit to being on any "side" Hugo Chavez is on. That man's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
And what about that poppy crop in Afghnanistan? I've heard its a big one!

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During Chávez's presidency from 1999 to 2004, per-capita GDP dropped 1–2 %, but with the help of rising oil prices, the end of the oil strike, and strong consumption growth, recent economic activity under Chávez has been robust. GDP growth rates were 18% in 2004, 9% in 2005, and 9.6% in the first half of 2006, with the private sector growing at a 10.3% clip. From 2004 to the first half of 2006, non-petroleum sectors of the economy showed growth rates greater than 10%. Datos reports real income grew by 137% between 2003 and Q1 2006. Official poverty figures dropped by 4.9%.

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That man's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

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Of course no one gets that it's propaganda.

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No, Chavez isn't evil, but he is a jackass. As long as he's going to hate us, we at least get to laugh at him.

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For the record, Chavez is a schmuck. He is essentially a Chinese puppet, and the Venezuelan people are as poor now as when Condi Rice was stealing their oil. If there were a real revolution in which the actual people (not govt.) of Venezuela saw oil profits, I'd reconsider, but there's just been a change of players at the corruption table, not an actual revolution.

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Originally posted by Righteous9:

I like Chavez, at least what I've seen of him. He is heavy on the rhetoric, which is so often way misrepresented in the media, but I don't think he's crazy.

He's managed to stay afloat in an environment that should have crushed him for not selling out his people and his oil for American corpoarations, and it seems to me that his rhetoric is coming at an opportune time...a time when America is losing face and power around the world, and Chavez is throwing the weight he has into a galvanizing opposition to our imperialism, by yes, courting some unpleasant regimes. But when have we ever been above that ourselves?

And I don't think Chavez does hate the American People. He brokered a deal with us for low gas costs for our poor during the raping we were facing at the hands of our own companies.

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Originally posted by Dreamtrove:

You got to stop using this offensive term "idée fixee" - I suspect I'm a great deal more open minded than you and citizen who use it. You're becoming the Auraptors of your side.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I said I had no links because this was pre-me-having-internet. I intend to make a conspiracy site to prove that the Bush amind *is* the clinton admin, and will be the hillary admin, and then maybe the jeb admin, at some point, and it will be full of links. I have 2 tons of work to do at the moment though.

My main point in all the evil democrats in bush is that I want you people over on the left to recognize the enemy within as much as i want auraptor and all on the right to. I think good people will never defeat evil until we are united against it.

As long as the left blames only the long term conservative movement for the evil, it will never get to that point, which would be, to the truth.

Chavez is helping the poor? What planet are you on? Chavez is doing more for the American poor than he's doing for Venezuela. Venezualans would be rich if they had control of their own country. Chavez is just as much of a China pawn (he's giving them free oil) as he is a castro pawn (he's giving him free oil too) more than Caldera was ours.

Chavez's treatment of his native population, his environment, his electoral system, his private sector businesses and his own people are about as loving as any soviet leader. Almost.

I don't think he's the anti-christ, or evil, he's just a blind follower of the religion called socialism. A failed ideology with a lot of noble claims, and no noble results. "Sure, we'll help the needy, as long as you give us all of your money and absolute unchecked authoritarian power." And yet people still fall for it.

Morales as I said, I have more hope for. He talked about upping Bolivian business and the Bolivian economy, standard of living, and I think he was much more angry, and "I'm doing this for my people" and much less "Wow, I'm king now, China made me king." Who he seems most like to me is Hamid Karzai, who had that look visavis Bush. By contrast, Talibani strikes me as genuinely concerned about his people.

I don't think this is a partisan issue, as Morales and Chavez are the same actual party, and Talibani and Karzai are the same defacto party, ie., pro-us.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
They sit in some conference room (or in the Green Zone) and get the latest poop from the Press Scy/ General/ Head Dog Catcher.

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They sit in some conference room (or in the Green Zone) and get the latest poop from the Press Scy/ General/ Head Dog Catcher... SignyM

Hey, don't lump us good folk in Animal Control in with those losers!!!

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What do you mean by control of their own country? You mean like we have? Cuz we're all so bloody rich in america, sporting the highest poverty rate among rich nations.

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Venezuela can do a lot better.

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The question is- "Is Chavez doing better for Venezuela than his immediate predecessors?"

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The question is, did evil reign supreme? No, it didn't. Evil hid in the shadows and tried to get its way, and for the most part, failed.

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VIDEO DOWNLOAD:

"And we must recall in this room that in just a few days there will be another anniversary. Thirty years will have passed from this other horrendous terrorist attack on the Cuban plane, where 73 innocents died, a Cubana de Aviacion airliner. And where is the biggest terrorist of this continent who took the responsibility for blowing up the plane? He spent a few years in jail in Venezuela. Thanks to CIA and then government officials, he was allowed to escape, and he lives here in this country, protected by the government. And he was convicted. He has confessed to his crime. But the U.S. government has double standards. It protects terrorism when it wants to. I accuse the American government of protecting terrorists and of having a completely cynical discourse. And I would just add one thing: Those who perpetrated this crime are free. And that other event where an American citizen also died were American themselves. They were CIA killers, terrorists."
-President Hugo Chavez, United Nations Corporation, Fox News, September 2006
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=634200
12&blogID=170652626

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: ABC Nightline - "The deadliest airline bombing in the Western Hemisphere" - A short film about the downing of Cubana Airlines Flight 455 and the death of all 73 on board, and the necessity to extradite the organizer of that terrorist act, Luis Posada Carriles, from the Unites States to Venezuela to stand trial for his crimes. Genocidal serial killer and convicted mass-murdering warcriminal, Communist KGB employee, homosexual rapist of US soldiers, and George Bush Jr's pick to run his 9/11 Commission coverup, Sir Heinz "Henry" Kissenger Knight of the BRITSH Empire claims he is not guilty of this particular mass murder. ABC News proves Kissenger is a pathological liar
http://infowars.net/articles/September2006/220906Carriles.htm

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AND HIS WAS AN EVIL LAUGH

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, heh heh heh, just so long as I'm the dictator, heh heh heh."
-George Bush Jr, convicted drunk driver and AWOL draft deserter, arrested for theft and cocaine, sued for rape and sued for perping the 9/11 terrorist massacres, who performs mock human sacrifice to worship Satan at Bohemian Grove, who ate off Adolf Hitler's Nazi silverware at Yale Skull & Bones, whose grandfather Prescott Bush was arrested and handcuffed 3 times and paid a $750,000 forfeiture under the Trading With The Enemy Act for arming Nazi Germany DURING World War 2 (but Roosevelt's Trading With The Enemy Act actually LICENSED trading with the enemy, so Prescott didn't get the death penalty and was promoted to US Senate)
VIDEO DOWNLOAD:
www.vestigialconscience.com/bush-dictator.mpeg

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Bush Gang and Bill Clinton-Blythe Rockefeller worshipping Molech/Lucifer/Satan at Bohemian Grove in Monte Rio, California on Summer Solstice. Photo copyright Bohemian Club annual yearbook
http://www.lonelantern.org/bohemian_grove.html

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove
Original full-length version - Infiltration of Jewish Bohemian Grove presidential compound and homosexual nudist colony that performs "mock" human sacrifice to 50-foot-tall idol of Molech - Where Bush Gang and Bill Clinton-Blythe III (Rockefeller) vacation every year to worship Satan and run nekked in the woods with 3,000 homosexual world dictators - Undercover video by Infowars.com
http://www.archive.org/details/DSIBG
http://www.infowars.com/bg1.html

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove and The Order of Death
Two documentaries in one - An employee of Bohemian Grove presidential compound used undercover video to capture the 50-foot-tall idol of Molech and "mock" human sacrifice up close and in broad daylight - Undercover video by Infowars.com
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Boners at Bohemian Grove
Music video by Counter Coup and John Lee
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/6737.php

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Snuff kiddie porn at Bohemian Grove
Alex Jones of Infowars.com interviews Senator John DeCamp author of The Franklin Coverup, music by Counter Coup and Bohemian Club
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/6737.php

Moloch.
an ancient Phoenician and Ammonite god, to whom children were sacrificed by burning.
-Webster's New World Dictionary

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people."
-Leviticus 20:1-5, Christian Bible KJV

"And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon."
-1 Kings 11:6-7, Christian Bible KJV

"Because of all the evil of the children of Israel and of the children of Judah, which they have done to provoke me to anger, they, their kings, their princes, their priests, and their prophets, and the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction. But they set their abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it. And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin."
-Jeremiah 32:32-35, Christian Bible KJV

"And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
-Leviticus 18:21-22, Christian Bible KJV

And the king sent, and they gathered unto him all the elders of Judah and of Jerusalem. And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the LORD all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Bethel. And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove. And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech. And he slew all the priests of the high places that were there upon the altars, and burned men's bones upon them, and returned to Jerusalem. Jehoahaz was twenty and three years old when he began to reign; and he reigned three months in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Hamutal, the daughter of Jeremiah of Libnah. And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD. And Jehoiakim gave the silver and the gold to Pharaoh; but he taxed the land to give the money according to the commandment of Pharaoh: he exacted the silver and the gold of the people of the land, of every one according to his taxation, to give it unto Pharaohnechoh. Jehoiakim was twenty and five years old when he began to reign; And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his fathers had done."
-2 Kings 23:1-37

"But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time - it is the most faggy goddamn thing that you would ever imagine with that San Francisco crowd."
-President Richard "Dick" Nixon, White House audiotape, Nixon Presidential Library, 1971
http://www.prisonplanet.com/032604nixontape.html (audio download)

More photos and news from Bohemian Grove:
http://www.nwowatcher.com/smf/index.php?topic=152
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove


Bush Gang and Bill Clinton-Blythe Rockefeller performing "mock" human sacrifice to 50-foot tall idol of Molech/Lucifer/Satan at Bohemian Grove. Photo copyright Bohemian Club annual yearbook
http://www.43places.com/places/view/379646

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Your position "the left has no part in this mess" doesn't match up with the facts, or even come to the same library as the truth. I think the academic left, in particular the commie circles of academia, are the main architects of this disaster.

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We all voted for at least one loser of this set.

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Okay, You win. I concede. Clinton is the only true son of God. Worship on.

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