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To kind of sum up, I'm happy that Hero actually cited something accurately. This is a step in the right direction, in my opinion. It's a far cry from using Drudge or the latest GOP talking points as a source. So, kudos Hero. Remember, the truth will set you free. I'm sad that the FBI got dragged into all this. They have better ways to spend their time.

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Originally posted by Zero:
The law classifies it as child porn. Pictures of children bound and gagged and in distress meet the legal definition provided by the US Code. Prove me wrong...I dare you.

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but "graphic" means "that a viewer can observe any part of the genitals or pubic area".

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Does this mean that we can't post disturbing (but non graphic) pix of real-life child abuse because somebody like Hero "might" think it's child porn?

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Just out of curiosity, would you mind speculating about whether you would've done the same things if you weren't a lawyer?

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I think that if your going to post those pictures, be prepared for someone to think they are child porn. Its like playing with fire or walking on ice...bad things might happen which is why such things are generally avoided.

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HAMILTON, Ohio (AP) -- A city prosecutor was charged with indecency after a security camera caught him walking around naked in a government building after business hours.

Scott Blauvelt, 35, was arrested Monday and charged with two counts of indecency. He was released from jail to await a hearing in the court where he usually works.

A guard monitoring a security camera spotted a nude man -- whom investigators identified as Blauvelt -- in a building that houses county offices the night of October 5, sheriff's Maj. Anthony Dwyer said. The night before, security video had captured Blauvelt naked in another area of the building, where city offices are located, Dwyer said.

Dwyer said investigators don't know why Blauvelt, who was alone, wasn't wearing clothes. He faces a month in jail and a $250 fine if convicted.

Blauvelt's lawyer, Michael Gmoser, said in a statement Tuesday that his client was seriously injured in a 2005 car accident, suffers from mental illness and is on medication for seizures.

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War has wiped out about 655,000 Iraqis or more than 500 people a day since the U.S.-led invasion, a new study reports.

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THIS is obscene!

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War has wiped out about 655,000 Iraqis or more than 500 people a day since the U.S.-led invasion, a new study reports.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Hey HERO, is this someone you know?

HAMILTON, Ohio (AP) -- A city prosecutor was charged with indecency after a security camera caught him walking around naked in a government building after business hours.

Scott Blauvelt, 35, was arrested Monday and charged with two counts of indecency. He was released from jail to await a hearing in the court where he usually works.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
As far as the Utah judge... there may have been other things about the pix that raised red flags...

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Hey HERO, is this someone you know?

HAMILTON, Ohio (AP) -- A city prosecutor was charged with indecency after a security camera caught him walking around naked in a government building after business hours.

Scott Blauvelt, 35, was arrested Monday and charged with two counts of indecency. He was released from jail to await a hearing in the court where he usually works.

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Noreen Gosch
The Johnny Gosch Foundation
www.johnnygosch.com
October 11, 2006

To all the viewers of my website... If this were your child wouldn't you want to know why the police and FBI are not investigating? That is a crime upon a crime.

This is a SECOND PHOTO of Johnny ... bound and gagged received recently. We now know that neither the police nor the FBI ever contacted the website owner of www.Jacobstales.com where the first photo of Johnny appeared.

Thank you for all your help. Everyone who has stepped forward in prayer, thought, and deed. I am deeply grateful.

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Does this mean that we can't post disturbing (but non graphic) pix of real-life child abuse because somebody like Hero "might" think it's child porn?

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I think that if your going to post those pictures, be prepared for someone to think they are child porn. Its like playing with fire or walking on ice...bad things might happen which is why such things are generally avoided.

If you or PN post such pictures, be prepared for the response those pictures should and often do generate. Even pure intentions may not protect you, since intent is not as much of a factor here as in other cases. Its like speeding. Sure, you were just going about your otherwise legitimate business, but if you go too fast and get caught, its not the cop's fault and your intentions don't matter (although, unlike this instance, citations are within officer discretion, reporting suspected child porn is mandatory).

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On a 70 mph freeway, the average state trooper of the day did not pull people over until they were over 80, or in some cases, 85 mph. This put the 'speeder' well over that number.

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"Some of the courtrooms are not even courtrooms: tiny offices or basement rooms without a judge’s bench or jury box. Sometimes the public is not admitted, witnesses are not sworn to tell the truth, and there is no word-for-word record of the proceedings. Nearly three-quarters of the judges are not lawyers, and many — truck drivers, sewer workers or laborers — have scant grasp of the most basic legal principles. Some never got through high school, and at least one went no further than grade school. But serious things happen in these little rooms all over New York State. People have been sent to jail without a guilty plea or a trial, or tossed from their homes without a proper proceeding. In violation of the law, defendants have been refused lawyers, or sentenced to weeks in jail because they cannot pay a fine. Frightened women have been denied protection from abuse. These are New York’s town and village courts, or justice courts, as the 1,250 of them are widely known. In the public imagination, they are quaint holdovers from a bygone era, handling nothing weightier than traffic tickets and small claims. They get a roll of the eyes from lawyers who amuse one another with tales of incompetent small-town justices. A woman in Malone, N.Y., was not amused. A mother of four, she went to court in that North Country village seeking an order of protection against her husband, who the police said had choked her, kicked her in the stomach and threatened to kill her. The justice, Donald R. Roberts, a former state trooper with a high school diploma, not only refused, according to state officials, but later told the court clerk, “Every woman needs a good pounding every now and then.” And several people in the small town of Dannemora were intimidated by their longtime justice, Thomas R. Buckley, a phone-company repairman who cursed at defendants and jailed them without bail or a trial, state disciplinary officials found. Feuding with a neighbor over her dog’s running loose, he threatened to jail her and ordered the dog killed. 'I just follow my own common sense,” Mr. Buckley, in an interview, said of his 13 years on the bench. “And the hell with the law.' The New York Times spent a year examining the life and history of this largely hidden world, a constellation of 1,971 part-time justices, from the suburbs of New York City to the farm towns near Niagara Falls. It is impossible to say just how many of those justices are ill-informed or abusive. Officially a part of the state court system, yet financed by the towns and villages, the justice courts are essentially unsupervised by either. State court officials know little about the justices, and cannot reliably say how many cases they handle or how many are appealed. Even the agency charged with disciplining them, the State Commission on Judicial Conduct, is not equipped to fully police their vast numbers. In 2003 alone, justices disciplined by the state included one in Montgomery County who had closed his court to the public and let prosecutors run the proceedings during 20 years in office. Another, in Westchester County, had warned the police not to arrest his political cronies for drunken driving, and asked a Lebanese-American with a parking ticket if she was a terrorist. A third, in Delaware County, had been convicted of having sex with a mentally retarded woman in his care. And it has left its justices with the same powers — more than in many states — even though governors, blue-ribbon commissions and others have been denouncing the courts as outdated and unjust since as far back as 1908, when a justice in Westchester County set up a roadside speed trap, fining drivers for whatever cash they were carrying. Nearly a century later, a 76-year-old Elmira man who contested a speeding ticket in Newfield, outside Ithaca, was jailed without even a warning for three days in 2003 because he called the sheriff’s deputy a liar. 'I thought, this is not America,' said the man, Michael J. Pronti, who spent two years and $8,000 before a state appeals court ruled that he had been improperly jailed. The reason is plain: Many do not know or seem to care what the law is. Justices are not screened for competence, temperament or even reading ability."
-William Glaberson, New York Times, "Broken Bench: In Tiny Courts of NY, Abuses of Law and Power," September 25, 2006
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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
The important thing is we all know Hero will call the feds. No matter the circumstances, that's valuable information. Now, I don't think that makes him a stoolie, as he does work for the man and that's an meaningful distinction in my mind. And I guess we'll find out if its child porn or not if PirateNews gets pinched...

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Originally posted by rue:
AFAIK he delibertately edited the relevant portions of the statute and mis-stated the contents.

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Originally posted by rue:
As for snitches, you have to presume they are around. I've always thought there was one person (not Zero) who was and possibly still is a government operative.

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But the heartburn that I have w/ Hero is that if we bow to his implied threat then discussion on a whole range of topics (w/ pix to make a point) grinds to a halt.

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Alright PirateNews, I watched the video and maybe your not bat-shit crazy...

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Well, I'm kind of waiting here for BigDamnNobody to make his case about my hypocracy. (taps foot, sighs) I'll give it...oh, about a day... after that I figure BDN just officially lost 10 credibility points out of 100. When he gets to zero I'll just ignore him.

BDN, the floor is yours...

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Originally posted by SignyM:
So we have someone on-board (Hero) who will defend to the death the right of an adult to "groom" and harass the underaged but who will inform the FBI about posted pix.

Nice.

Hypocritical, but nice.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I have NEVER trusted Hero. He horn-dogs after war widows, can barely smother the rage against his ex and her boyfriend, and likes to intimidate people. He's the perfectly noxious combination of fear and bullying. But altho Hero has been exposed as a Alliance mole, I don't intend to pay it any mind.

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Hero- IMHO altho what PN posted was disturbing in my view it was not "obscene". The only emotions it aroused in me was horror and pity. But what you saw in the picture was what you brought to it: an inability to deal with sexual relations from anything other than a position of intimidation. I haven't forgotten about the time you "joked" (yeah, ha ha) about calling in Homeland Security on your ex's new boyfriend and having him rousted at 2 AM. You give breaks to Marines but throw the book at a mentally retarded kid. You use the law for your personal power. This is just another one of those little games that you like to play.

I'm not fooled by your sanctimonious mouthings. You're a pervert in the making, if you aren't already one.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I don't know what planet you're living on. Hero, as far as I'm concerned you're on some kind of kinky personal power trip, and you abuse your job. I knew someone like you. The DOJ was very interested in him.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
You know, I hate to be PirateNews-ish but I am wondering about the GOP now.

Rush Limbaugh, caught with a bunch of non-prescription Viagra after a trip to (noted child prostitution destination) Dominican Republic. Abramoff and DeLay protecting (noted child prostitution destination) Mariana Islands.

Does the GOP have a thing for child prostitutes, or are they just general bottom-feeders, congregating wherever misery is at its worst?

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HAMILTON, Ohio (AP) -- A city prosecutor was charged with indecency after a security camera caught him walking around naked in a government building after business hours.

Scott Blauvelt, 35, was arrested Monday and charged with two counts of indecency. He was released from jail to await a hearing in the court where he usually works.

A guard monitoring a security camera spotted a nude man -- whom investigators identified as Blauvelt -- in a building that houses county offices the night of October 5, sheriff's Maj. Anthony Dwyer said. The night before, security video had captured Blauvelt naked in another area of the building, where city offices are located, Dwyer said.

Dwyer said investigators don't know why Blauvelt, who was alone, wasn't wearing clothes. He faces a month in jail and a $250 fine if convicted.

Blauvelt's lawyer, Michael Gmoser, said in a statement Tuesday that his client was seriously injured in a 2005 car accident, suffers from mental illness and is on medication for seizures.

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So we have someone on-board (Hero) who will defend to the death the right of an adult to "groom" ......

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Alright PirateNews, I watched the video and maybe your not bat-shit crazy...

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Ahhh ... end of the day, end of the week ... You know, I actually went through your long list point by point, and then I realized that you had taken every single post out of context.

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So for you child porn is ok. But our political differences are the real evil. Thats why you liberals are so dangerous.

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Was responding to changes in topic introduced here => Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 12:47, here => Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 14:04, here => Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 14:10, here => Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 14:11, here => Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 14:16, here => Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 11:19, here => Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 11:31, here => Monday, October 09, 2006 - 09:27, ...

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Originally posted by SignyM:
WHY would Hero contact (or threaten to contact) the FBI over a picture that was clearly not child porn?

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(1) And lets not forget a certain Democratic congressman who was given a standing ovation on the House floor by Pelosi and her Democrats after being censured for having sex with a 17 year-old page.
(2) Now the FBI is saying that the e-mails and IMs provided by the liberal interest group were edited for content.

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I have NEVER trusted Hero. He horn-dogs after war widows, can barely smother the rage against his ex and her boyfriend, and likes to intimidate people. He's the perfectly noxious combination of fear and bullying. But altho Hero has been exposed as a Alliance mole, I don't intend to pay it any mind.

Hero- IMHO altho what PN posted was disturbing in my view it was not "obscene". The only emotions it aroused in me was horror and pity. But what you saw in the picture was what you brought to it: an inability to deal with sexual relations from anything other than a position of intimidation. I haven't forgotten about the time you "joked" (yeah, ha ha) about calling in Homeland Security on your ex's new boyfriend and having him rousted at 2 AM. You give breaks to Marines but throw the book at a mentally retarded kid. You use the law for your personal power. This is just another one of those little games that you like to play.

I don't know what planet you're living on. Hero, as far as I'm concerned you're on some kind of kinky personal power trip, and you abuse your job. I knew someone like you. The DOJ was very interested in him.

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Originally posted by rue:
Ironically, Zero STARTED with this ad hominem attack with these first words of the entire thread:
"In a recent thread PirateNews, well known for his crazy talk, driving while intoxicated, and tinfoil hats.."

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As to what is the point of discussion, when two posters are discussing another poster (as in discussion ABOUT Zero between posters) any opinion is relevant to THAT discussion, and not an ad hominem attack.

IF they were attacking Zero as part of their discussion of HIS topic, then it would be.

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You may not have noticed. but there were several legitimate discussions going on in this thread. Your attempt to somehow limit the discussion to YOUR preferred topics and invalidate any other freely entered discussion is revolting. And arrogant. And trollish. And says a whole lot about who you are.

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Ironically, Zero STARTED with this ad hominem attack with these first words of the entire thread:
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You may not have noticed. but there were several legitimate discussions going on in this thread. Your attempt to somehow limit the discussion to YOUR preferred topics and invalidate any other freely entered discussion is revolting. And arrogant. And trollish. And says a whole lot about who you are.- Rue

Now it is YOU employing the straw man. It was SignyM and to a lesser extent YOU who wanted to limit the discussion in this thread to the present topic. I called SignyM on something and was more than willing to back up my claim of hypocricy when invited.-BDN

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I DO, however, care HOW they debate. Misrepresenting what someone else has said, straw-man arguments, ad hominem... and the thing that drive me craziest: changing the topic to avoid conceding a point

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You may not have noticed. but there were several legitimate discussions going on in this thread. Your attempt to somehow limit the discussion to YOUR preferred topics and invalidate any other freely entered discussion is revolting. And arrogant. And trollish. And says a whole lot about who you are.

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