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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Alright PirateNews, I watched the video and maybe your not bat-shit crazy...

I would have to agree that there is something real fishy about this whole thing. The problem is the Boner kid is just not credible. He has recanted, then recanted his recant, then recanted that recant, and then recanted that recant, etc, etc, etc... It's a good thing the producers of this video found some people with credentials to speak out, otherwise the story is just not plausible.

It's too late to follow your other links tonight, but I will check out the Washington Times articles (even if it is owned by the Moonies) on that prostitution ring in DC. It is interesting (if true) that only the leaders of the ring and not the johns were investigated and that the johns' names were then sealed. If they were diddling underage boys, why would their crimes be ignored? Perhaps, somebody was being protected.

Maybe there is nothing to it, but maybe there is something. I'm no longer willing to dismiss it out of hand, however, so your making progress. Well, I'm off to make a tinfoil hat...

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Originally posted by piratejenny:

Everyone involved in the case knows that Troy Boner alone isn't a crediable witness, which btw he is dead now under mysterious circumstances, you have to look at everything thats happened to him to understand why he recanted his orginal testimony and he isn't the only one whoes recanted, being threatened with your life and harassed by the very people like the FBI who should be protecting him, would make a person recant, espeically someone whoes already been a victim of the system.

your the second person whoes used the word diddled!!, I take offense to that!!! being sexually molested, raped, or prostituted out is not being diddled with!!

diddled!! sounds almost benevolent,what happened to these kids isn't benevolent

Fishy NO it isn't fishy its FOUL!!!and another thing, you'll notice that Paul Bonacci, whom you saw also on the conspiracy of silence film, the same kid who was at the white house parties, the same kid who was raped and abused by politians wealthy businesmen etc, the same kid who worked for Republican Larry King, the same kid who was used by Micheal Aquino -testified that he was involved in the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch, was actually there and particpated in this, he was also featured on America's most wanted in the Johnny Gosch case, so Yeah I'm pretty sure that Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch.

but I bet you probably think its just a coincidence!! right!! or just a little fishy!!

its pretty hard to ignore the evidence unless you just simply want to.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Even in a more rational manner, presenting all the evidence right up front just causes information overload and kicks in the automatic denial reflex, resulting in the info getting categorized as garbage and dismissed without a second glance.

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One final note - what rooks me bad about the whole mess is why this matter is treated as a past tense, closed issue.

They shot down ONE, count em, ONE, feeder system, that is all, and with a bare minimum of success in doing only that - this particular problem has grown and continues.

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Case in point ?
Jack Abramoff is the creep took over Franklins action when he went down, and the media is oh-so-carefully avoiding the fact that some of those 'prostitutes' he was providing were not old enough to possess a drivers license.

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Originally posted by piratejenny:

Everyone involved in the case knows that Troy Boner alone isn't a crediable witness, which btw he is dead now under mysterious circumstances, you have to look at everything thats happened to him to understand why he recanted his orginal testimony and he isn't the only one whoes recanted, being threatened with your life and harassed by the very people like the FBI who should be protecting him, would make a person recant, espeically someone whoes already been a victim of the system.

your the second person whoes used the word diddled!!, I take offense to that!!! being sexually molested, raped, or prostituted out is not being diddled with!!

diddled!! sounds almost benevolent,what happened to these kids isn't benevolent

Fishy NO it isn't fishy its FOUL!!!and another thing, you'll notice that Paul Bonacci, whom you saw also on the conspiracy of silence film, the same kid who was at the white house parties, the same kid who was raped and abused by politians wealthy businesmen etc, the same kid who worked for Republican Larry King, the same kid who was used by Micheal Aquino -testified that he was involved in the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch, was actually there and particpated in this, he was also featured on America's most wanted in the Johnny Gosch case, so Yeah I'm pretty sure that Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch.

but I bet you probably think its just a coincidence!! right!! or just a little fishy!!

its pretty hard to ignore the evidence unless you just simply want to.

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PirateJenny, I'm guessing you have never worked in sales.

There's an old saying, something about flies and honey... When trying to convince someone of anything, often the best method does not involve insulting them.

Frem was right, you guys need to work on your presentation. Don't feel bad, though. It can sometimes take a good salesman years to find their swing.

Anywho, thanks for the bump. I had forgotten about this and wanted to check out those Washington Times articles.

Keep swinging for those fences...

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The documentary, though it's a rough cut, convinced me that there might be more than baseless allegations to this.

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So, there is evidence that this is continuing? Please share.

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Did Abramoff take over the credit union or are you alleging that he took over the "call boys" prostitution ring?

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For example, the Secret Service injecting itself into the investigation and seizing information related to client's identities is very suspicious. Does the Secret Service normally work vice?

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What I do fail to see it the connection between the "call boys" and the Franklin mess, other than some of the pitchers being the same people and the catchers being underage. The story doesn't allege forced prostitution, right?

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The practice continues, and they have to be getting these kids from somewhere, some catholic charities have been implicated, and several witnesses have brought forth the fact that a lot of kids fed into this mess came via being 'dissappeared' into the social services system - for myself I would like to see an accounting of kids who go into the system versus those they can locate at the moment, that would be insightful

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Originally posted by kaneman:
FT, if you get your opinions from the WT you are a foolish old man......Well, it's true...

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"If I were one of these sickos I would be nervous with America's Most Wanted on my back."
-Congressman Mark Foley (R-FL), co-chair of the Committee on Missing and Exploited Children, America's Most Wanted, who resigned from Congress after getting caught performing pedophile cybersex DURING voting in Congress (diversion to contain the new Johnny Gosch Gannon photos???)

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"There is also much focus on the relationship between House Speaker Dennis Hastert and his chief of staff, 56-year old Scott Palmer. Hastert and Palmer, Hastert's longtime unmarried adviser, live together in a DC townhouse along with Hastert's Deputy Chief of Staff, Mike Stokke, while Hastert's wife Jean lives in Yorkville, Illinois and stays at a hotel when she visits Washington. WMR's State Department sources have also reported that the visits of Hastert and other congressional leaders and staff members to certain Southeast Asian nations and the Northern Marianas should come under the scrutiny of the House Ethics Committee, now officially investigating "Pagegate." The Northern Marianas became infamous in the scandals involving Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff because of the presence in the US slave labor territory of Asian children being used as prostitutes. Conveniently, Foley co-chaired the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children, which would have had authority to investigate charges of child prostitution in the Northern Marianas. Our State Department sources report that it is no secret that a number of U.S. Foreign Service officers working out of the U.S. embassies in Bangkok, Phnom Penh, Hanoi, and Manila have been involved with underage nationals of the host countries where they are assigned. In fact, many have rotated their assignments between countries that look sideways at child prostitution and sex between adults and minors. In fact, John Mark Karr, as previously reported by WMR, was quickly whisked out of Bangkok after his arrest on pedophilia charges. The U.S. Embassy in Bangkok, working with the CIA and Department of Homeland Security, arranged for Karr's quick departure from Bangkok on a business class flight to the United States, where all charges, including those stemming from Karr's 'admission' that he killed JonBenet Ramsey and child porn charges, were later dropped. WMR has learned that Karr may have been aware of the identities of top U.S. officials in the child sex trade in Thailand and that he was sprung from Thai authorities to prevent him from testifying in a Thai courtroom. Hastert visited Vietnam, along with Palmer, in April of this year and spent three days in the country. Hastert, along with Illinois GOP Rep. Ray LaHood, canceled a visit to Thailand and Vietnam in January 2006. Hastert was also in Thailand in January 2002."
-Wayne Madsen (National Security Agency), Wayne Madsen Report, October 9, 2006
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=801019
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December 2, 2006

There are fetish groups, on yahoo and MSN, who appear to be obsessed with tying up young boys. Perhaps some of the members of these groups are having second thoughts about what the people behind the scenes do or are capable of serial and obsessive photographing of boys tied up. These men, who are driven by their unhealthy desires and fantasies trawl web sites such as Web shots and steal any photo they can find of kids in tied up fun situations (they do happen.) The parent innocently shares there photo only to have the photo stolen by fetishists who often pose as young adults or teens. They spend endless hours trawling Yahoo Images, Google Images, etc for any photo they can find of a kid tied up, handcuffed etc. Then they post them in public and private groups for purposes they probably do not entirely comprehend themselves.

What is much worse however is the serial photo's often taken by parents or much older siblings, relatives or care-givers. In many cases we are also finding children who have been kidnapped appearing on these web sites. Some of the kids have been identified recently. These photos often eventually become known on public pedophile fronts. This is an issue parents are going to need to confront as a culture of tolerance and acceptance appears to be occurring in regards to adults using children to pursue their sexual fantasies. They see as "ONLY LOOKING" is not a crime or sin.

Some members, of these groups however, are beginning to see things for what they really are.....a sick crime. They are opening their minds, not to the hidden people saying this is ok, it is part of what you are, it is art of the innocent aspect of your childhood. They are becoming savvy to the fact that there are pedophiles lurking in these groups or those who would benefit financially or otherwise. Some are now prepared to confront the fact that the people they thought were their friends, may be, and sometimes are, pedophiles. Many lies and half truths are told in relation to these photos and they are now seeing what these kinds of photos represent, or, what they wish them to represent. It is to these people who do have some conscience, who are bothered by this .....that I appeal for you to come forward, either anonymously, and make known what information you may have. It is to the members of these groups, I make this appeal.

Below this message are two more photos I have received recently. The first photo is my son, Johnny Gosch. The second photo is unidentified.

Noreen N. Gosch
www.johnnygosch.com

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'One of them made cuts in my penis. I was in agony'

August 2, 2005
The Guardian UK

Benyam Mohammed travelled from London to Afghanistan in July 2001, but after September 11 he fled to Pakistan. He was arrested at Karachi airport on April 10 2002, and describes being flown by a US government plane to a prison in Morocco. These are extracts from his diary.

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They cut off my clothes with some kind of doctor's scalpel. I was naked. I tried to put on a brave face. But maybe I was going to be raped. Maybe they'd electrocute me. Maybe castrate me.

They took the scalpel to my right chest. It was only a small cut. Maybe an inch. At first I just screamed ... I was just shocked, I wasn't expecting ... Then they cut my left chest. This time I didn't want to scream because I knew it was coming.

One of them took my penis in his hand and began to make cuts. He did it once, and they stood still for maybe a minute, watching my reaction. I was in agony. They must have done this 20 to 30 times, in maybe two hours. There was blood all over. "I told you I was going to teach you who's the man," one eventually said.

They cut all over my private parts. One of them said it would be better just to cut it off, as I would only breed terrorists. I asked for a doctor.

Doctor No 1 carried a briefcase. "You're all right, aren't you? But I'm going to say a prayer for you." Doctor No 2 gave me an Alka-Seltzer for the pain. I told him about my penis. "I need to see it. How did this happen?" I told him. He looked like it was just another patient. "Put this cream on it two times a day. Morning and night." He gave me some kind of antibiotic.

I was in Morocco for 18 months. Once they began this, they would do it to me about once a month. One time I asked a guard: "What's the point of this? I've got nothing I can say to them. I've told them everything I possibly could."

"As far as I know, it's just to degrade you. So when you leave here, you'll have these scars and you'll never forget. So you'll always fear doing anything but what the US wants."

Later, when a US airplane picked me up the following January, a female MP took pictures. She was one of the few Americans who ever showed me any sympathy. When she saw the injuries I had she gasped. They treated me and took more photos when I was in Kabul. Someone told me this was "to show Washington it's healing".

But in Morocco, there were even worse things. Too horrible to remember, let alone talk about. About once a week or even once every two weeks I would be taken for interrogation, where they would tell me what to say. They said if you say this story as we read it, you will just go to court as a witness and all this torture will stop. I eventually repeated what was read out to me.

When I got to Morocco they said some big people in al-Qaida were talking about me. They talked about Jose Padilla and they said I was going to testify against him and big people. They named Khalid Sheikh Mohamed, Abu Zubaidah and Ibn Sheikh al-Libi all senior al-Qaida leaders who are now in US custody. It was hard to pin down the exact story because what they wanted changed from Morocco to when later I was in the Dark Prison a detention centre in Kabul with windowless cells and American staff, to Bagram and again in Guantánamo Bay.

They told me that I must plead guilty. I'd have to say I was an al-Qaida operations man, an ideas man. I kept insisting that I had only been in Afghanistan a short while. "We don't care," was all they'd say.

I was also questioned about my links with Britain. The interrogator told me: "We have photos of people given to us by MI5. Do you know these?" I realised that the British were sending questions to the Moroccans. I was at first surprised that the Brits were siding with the Americans.

On August 6, I thought I was going to be transferred out of there (the prison). They came in and cuffed my hands behind my back.

But then three men came in with black masks. It seemed to go on for hours. I was in so much pain I'd fall to my knees. They'd pull me back up and hit me again. They'd kick me in my thighs as I got up. I vomited within the first few punches. I really didn't speak at all though. I didn't have the energy or will to say anything. I just wanted for it to end. After that, there was to be no more first-class treatment. No bathroom. No food for a while.

During September-October 2002, I was taken in a car to another place. The room was bigger, it had its own toilet, and a window which was opaque.

They gave me a toothbrush and Colgate toothpaste. I was allowed to recover from the scalpel for about two weeks, and the guards said nothing about it.

Then they cuffed me and put earphones on my head. They played hip-hop and rock music, very loud. I remember they played Meat Loaf and Aerosmith over and over. A couple of days later they did the same thing. Same music.

For 18 months, there was not one night when I could sleep well. Sometimes I would go 48 hours without sleep. At night, they would bang the metal doors, bang the flap on the door, or just come right in.

They continued with two or three interrogations a month. They weren't really interrogations, more like training me what to say. The interrogator told me what was going on. "We're going to change your brain," he said.

I suffered the razor treatment about once a month for the remaining time I was in Morocco, even after I'd agreed to confess to whatever they wanted to hear. It became like a routine. They'd come in, tie me up, spend maybe an hour doing it. They never spoke to me. Then they'd tip some kind of liquid on me - the burning was like grasping a hot coal. The cutting, that was one kind of pain. The burning, that was another.

In all the 18 months I was there, I never went outside. I never saw the sun, not even once. I never saw any human being except the guards and my tormentors, unless you count the pictures they showed me.

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www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1540552,00.html


VIDEO: Outlawed: Extraordinary rendition, torture and disappearances in the War on Terror

Psychopathic criminals Bushes and Cheney illegally order kidnappings, rapes and murders of innocent people, without arrest, without charges, without lawyers, without trial, without appeal. Bush White House especially loves watching pedophile rape videos from Abu Ghraib.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3080182736973832540
www.Witness.org

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