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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, one nut case goes to their concert w/ the intent to kill one of the Chicks, and he automatically speaks for all those who don't agree w/ what the Chicks stand for ? Gee, guess I can't debunk that logic.

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Originally posted by citizen:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, one nut case goes to their concert w/ the intent to kill one of the Chicks, and he automatically speaks for all those who don't agree w/ what the Chicks stand for ? Gee, guess I can't debunk that logic.

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You can? Really?

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Originally posted by Terri:
Don’t focus on the message, (because some people don’t agree), focus on the brunt they took for it. Yeah, their record sales went down, but they have a whole nother group of fans that they’ve cultivated.

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Shut Up & Sing?


Are you kidding me? This has got to be a joke right?

I get ahead of myself, for those of you that don't know, Shut Up & Sing is a movie coming out by the Dixie Chicks that is nothing but 90 minutes of Bush bashing masquerading as a documentary about free speach.

Here's the thing ladies, the public's response to your statement about Bush had nothing to do with free speach. You said it, people in the audience either cheered you or booed you, and there were those that said you were un-American and stopped listening to your music. You know what that is ladies? It's the public exercising it's freedom of choice.

I have no problem with the Dixie Chicks badmouthing Bush, hell, even I don't agree with most of the things he's doing, but their reaction to the whole situation is laughable at best. I don't know what they plan on accomplishing with this movie, but it's going to be the same kind of shit that fucktard Michael Moore force feeds this country at every outing. Interviews are going to be paraphrased to give a certain slant, and the only qotes you're going to see in their entirety are the ones that make the speaker look stupid and ignorant. It's a common ploy that's been used by the media for decades.

I'm not saying the Dixie Chicks are un-American. One of the key things we have to remember in this country is not to confuse dissent with disloyalty. They feel the way they do, and I commend them for having more taste than Streisand or Midler did when voicing their disapproval of Bush. The dissent is a form of checks and balances. When the masses do not agree with what's going on, it's a sign that things need to change. It is too often though that celebrities voice their opinions thinking that we should care or be influenced because of their 'vaulted' status. I personally don't think that's what they had initially intended by their statement, and I feel bad for them that they feel it's come to the point that they need to release this trash.

And as for the people that stopped listening to their music because they had the nerve to speak their mind, I say you're pig-headed. I didn't stop listening to R. Kelly when he pissed on a teenage girl, I didn't stop listening to Tupac when he starred in 3 movies and released 5 albums after he "died", and I won't stop listening to the songs by the Dixie Chicks I like (though there are very few, I hate country for those that don't know). The music released by these artists is no less powerful now after the scandal than they were before it. If you liked it then, there is no reason not to like it now.

To the broadcasting companies that forced their radio stations to stop playing the Dixie Chicks' music, I say you are the worst form of filth out there. The minute we start penalizing people for what they think or believe, is the very moment we destroy one of the very things that make this country so great.

I end my rant as I go to get some grub in my belly.

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Hero: I considered Hitler.

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Originally posted by Terri:
What about me? I agree with them. Are you saying that I'm comparable with Hitler?

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Originally posted by yinyang:
You can't hold Hitler up against the Dixie Chicks. I don't see them going around promoting the killing of millions of Jew, Gypsies, political protesters...

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Hero: I considered Hitler.

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Here's your problem.

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Originally posted by Hero:
I actually first started considering this while watching this season's Battlestar Galactica. In it the colonists on occupied New Caprica use a variety of terrorist tactics against the Cylons. I realized that while the tactics used might be similar to the real-life Jihadists, its the message that is different. Tactics that are acceptable in one circumstance are unacceptable in another. If that's true then we need to consider that in fact we are not really fighting a War on Terror, its actually a War Against Fascism (Islamic for now but with room for Little Kim and Chavez if needed).

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Originally posted by citizen:
As long as we're not simplifying it to: If we're doing it to them, that's okay, if they're doing it to us, that's evil.

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Originally posted by Terri:
I'll give you this: They're Browncoats to different people (about 51% of the population), and to the rest, I guess not.

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That works too. But I think its better stated 'if we're doing it to them for a good reason, that's ok, if they're doing it to us, that's evil'.

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Oddly that makes the discussion about why we are fighting, not how we are fighting.

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What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?

Mahatma Gandhi, "Non-Violence in Peace and War"

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So to be critical of myself, I don't think a discussion is complete without a consideration of all the circumstance, both the how and the why. I think that's something most reasonable people will agree with.

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Liberal Bush-Haters, not being reasonable, tend to limit the discussion in their favor. Some conservatives are guilty of the same thing, but its a calculated means to win the argument rather then the kneejerk reaction to dissent most liberals can't control.

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Originally posted by babywiththepower:
You bleeding heart liberals make me want to vomit as much as you right-wing conservatives. We're in a one party system nowadays, they just have certain 'key' points to keep them devided (i.e. gay marriage, abortion, etc.) and anyone that thinks otherwise is daft. Same as anyone that thinks the Democrats will do any better running this country (into the ground) than the Republicans. And Terri, who are you to restrict what people will or will not say on this thread? If someone wants to slam the Dixie Chicks, it's their gorram right to do so.

On topic. This was a blog I posted when I heard about the Dixie Chicks 'documentary'. Please read the whole thing. It starts off pretty anti-Chicks and makes me sound like a staunch conservative, but I'm not. I make my point further down.

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Shut Up & Sing?


Are you kidding me? This has got to be a joke right?

I get ahead of myself, for those of you that don't know, Shut Up & Sing is a movie coming out by the Dixie Chicks that is nothing but 90 minutes of Bush bashing masquerading as a documentary about free speach.

Here's the thing ladies, the public's response to your statement about Bush had nothing to do with free speach. You said it, people in the audience either cheered you or booed you, and there were those that said you were un-American and stopped listening to your music. You know what that is ladies? It's the public exercising it's freedom of choice.

I have no problem with the Dixie Chicks badmouthing Bush, hell, even I don't agree with most of the things he's doing, but their reaction to the whole situation is laughable at best. I don't know what they plan on accomplishing with this movie, but it's going to be the same kind of shit that fucktard Michael Moore force feeds this country at every outing. Interviews are going to be paraphrased to give a certain slant, and the only qotes you're going to see in their entirety are the ones that make the speaker look stupid and ignorant. It's a common ploy that's been used by the media for decades.

I'm not saying the Dixie Chicks are un-American. One of the key things we have to remember in this country is not to confuse dissent with disloyalty. They feel the way they do, and I commend them for having more taste than Streisand or Midler did when voicing their disapproval of Bush. The dissent is a form of checks and balances. When the masses do not agree with what's going on, it's a sign that things need to change. It is too often though that celebrities voice their opinions thinking that we should care or be influenced because of their 'vaulted' status. I personally don't think that's what they had initially intended by their statement, and I feel bad for them that they feel it's come to the point that they need to release this trash.

And as for the people that stopped listening to their music because they had the nerve to speak their mind, I say you're pig-headed. I didn't stop listening to R. Kelly when he pissed on a teenage girl, I didn't stop listening to Tupac when he starred in 3 movies and released 5 albums after he "died", and I won't stop listening to the songs by the Dixie Chicks I like (though there are very few, I hate country for those that don't know). The music released by these artists is no less powerful now after the scandal than they were before it. If you liked it then, there is no reason not to like it now.

To the broadcasting companies that forced their radio stations to stop playing the Dixie Chicks' music, I say you are the worst form of filth out there. The minute we start penalizing people for what they think or believe, is the very moment we destroy one of the very things that make this country so great.

I end my rant as I go to get some grub in my belly.

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I'm sorry, but until those three girls get up on stage and confess their undying love for Joss Whedon and the Firefly 'verse, they aren't Browncoats.

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Terri says message makes no difference, its the struggle that matters. On 9/11 a bunch of people believed strongly that crashing planes into buildings was a good idea. They struggled and died for that belief. Terri is knitting them Browncoats even now. I disagree. I think crashing into buildings is wrong. Because their belief was wrong, what they did is meaningless and counterproductive.

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Another reason there needs to be better mental care in the USA...

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