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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 4:25 PM

RUE

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It seemed like a good idea.



Open water north of Europe all the way to the north pole. It happened in just one month. Everyone knew the Arctic ice was disappearing, but this was unimaginable. Suddenly, it was just gone.

This is climate change which is happening now and WILL be our common future. You'd think something so important would get more notice.

http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_42468.shtml
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/sep2006/2006-09-20-01.asp
http://news.mongabay.com/2006/0919-esa.html

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:19 PM

KANEMAN


There is no such thing as global warming! You know it , I know it! Hey asshole you have a forumn to explain. Go ahead ....I need a good laugh...RUEse!

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:37 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Open water north of Europe all the way to the north pole. It happened in just one month. Everyone knew the Arctic ice was disappearing, but this was unimaginable. Suddenly, it was just gone.


Why so glum? Perhaps this is the quick and easy water route to the orient that Europe has always wanted.

Now where did I leave my iron ships and wooden men...

H

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:13 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Evo Morales and Bolivia.

Natural gas nationalization is, for lack of a better word, stalled. The plan was for the Bolivian government to buy a majority of shares. That plan hasn't gone forward for lack of money. The largest shareholder is, oddly enough, Brazil.

Meanwhile, Bolivia is riven by internal division. On the one hand, there are the Evo suporters who make up the vast majority of the population and are closely identified with Cochabamba. On the other hand, there is the wealthy conservative class centralized in Santa Cruz, who control the Senate. While everyone agrees that the final Constitution must be passed by a 2/3 majority, Evo's supporters want the interim decisions to be adopted by a majority vote. National resources and land reform are at issue. The very wealthy see their control slipping away permanently. Should Bolivia polarize further and the government take a more extreme stance (similar to Hugo Chavez) you will see Evo pilloried in the US press with a vengeance, and the USA might possibly try to engineer a coup (as we tried in Venezuela).

As a result, Dreamtrove will say that Evo is EVIL!! EVIL!! And Kaneman and Auraptor will lump Bolivia in with Iran.

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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:08 AM

DREAMTROVE


Huh, I guess I ducked my stereotype. If you'd read all my posts you will realize that I already backed Morales before you posted this. I know what I'm doing. And I know who's evil. I didn't say Chavez was evil, I said he was a shmuck.

Not in the news was the thing about Pakistan and China, or the Ahmadinejad is not interested in nuclear weapons, war with america, or the destruction of israel. Also, Finland is going to support stem cell research.

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:30 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Iraq

With the US-incited focus on Iran, except for stories about bombing in Baghdad, you don't hear much about Iraq these days.

The US military reports Anbar Province is lost:
Quote:

The chief of intelligence for the Marine Corps in Iraq recently filed an unusual secret report concluding that THE PROSPECTS FOR SECURING THAT COUNTRY'S WESTERN ANBAR PROVINCE ARE DIM AND THAT THERE IS ALMOST NOTHING THE U.S. MILITARY CAN DO to improve the political and social situation there, said several military officers and intelligence officials familiar with its contents.
This is important and should not have been buried. It is vital to Iraq's future.

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:31 AM

RUE

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Fallujah (in Al-Anbar province)

Haven't heard about that in a while so people presume everything must be OK.

Not exactly.

After bombing the city, sealing it off, background-checking everyone who applied to enter AND requiring biometric ID before entering:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HI13Ak03.html
Quote:

"Dhahy ... said the US military had threatened it would destroy the city if resistance fighters were not handed over to them.
"Last week, the Americans used loudspeakers on the backs of their tanks and Humvees to threaten us," Dhahy said. Residents said the US forces warned of a "large military operation" if fighters were not handed over.

What the US admits to is banning automobile travel in the city after a series of mortar and bomb attacks carried out from within the city.

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:38 AM

RUE

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Don't you wish the administration would address these things?

Global warming - wouldn't it be reassuring to have an administration that said - we're studying what effects there may be on the US in terms of agriculture, storms and fires, disease, and the economy. We're looking into ways to mitigate the problems people will be facing and will have recommendations.

Iraq - wouldn't it be nice to hear a realistic assessment of Iraq and a practical outline of US options? Southern Iraq is under paramilitary control. Baghdad is under seige. There is NO winning strategy in Anbar province according to the US military. So, what can the US to do mitigate its own losses?

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Don't you wish the administration would address these things?
Heck, I would be happy if the so-called "news" media addressd these things!



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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

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Monday, September 25, 2006 8:36 AM

RUE

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Iran was the issue just a couple of weeks ago. It was a matter of national life and death. It needed to be solved - right then! or there would be doom!
And now it's -- gone. As if it had never been. Presumably someone else is taking care if it.

So anyway, lately it's been:

IRAN !!! That was good for a month or so.
Lebanon! (at the Bush administration's urging. It was supposed to be Israel's easy victory and a shining light in Bush's GWOT.)
Chavez called Bush the devil ! A couple of days.
ObL dead ! (???) That, oh, about a day. (topic held in reserve for later)
Clinton !! That'll go on for a week.
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What are we NOT supposed to be looking at?
What about Bush's lengthy record of failures?

And what about his GWOT? It and his record on national security were supposed to be Bush's signature strengths. Now that they're a documented failures, USers are being induced to look anywhere else. Over THERE Not Iraq -- IRAN! And lookit over there ! Bill Clinton !

The country is and will be treated to a series of highly-hyped non-issues, as long as they have nothing to do Bush's terrorism and Iraq record.

- The failure to capture bin Laden in the 5 years since 9/11 2001. The fact that there is now no winning strategy in Iraq. That Bush's policies are generating more terrorists across the globe. And alienating former allies at the same time.

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And why is the media not actually reporting pertinent information? Pre-election would be a good time - the perfectly natural time, to evaluate Bush's record, to see where it stands up and where it falls down. I would expect to see articles listing policies and results. But - nothing.

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Monday, September 25, 2006 12:36 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Also NOT in the news today...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3037881/site/newsweek/

Top of page, left side - four edition covers.

You tell me.

For more blatant propaganda, consider that your tax dollars are used to lie to you.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Lincoln_Group

Dennis Kucinich and others attempted to stop this practice, only to be voted down by an almost 2-to-1 margin

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HZ01074:
http://www.kucinich.us/floor_speeches/iq_no_funds_lincoln20jun.php

And the major, 'mainstream' media wonders why they are losing out to blogs running on spare change... maybe cause folks get tired of being lied to, perhaps ?

-Frem

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Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:04 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Now, here is something important that should be at least on the front page.

Published on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 by the Associated Press
Global Temperature Highest in Millennia
WASHINGTON - .. researchers report in Tuesday's issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. ... That brings the overall temperature to the warmest in the current interglacial period, which began about 12,000 years ago.
It was nowhere to be found in any of the on-line publications (below). I've included the other topics the publishers thought were more news-worthy.

CNN
Paris Hilton charged with DUI
Aerosmith star reveals he has hepatitis C
Mona Lisa's smile hides new baby theory

USAToday
Hilton charged with DUI Stems from Sept. 7 arrest in L.A.

LATimes
Riverside Rejects Pot Dispensaries
Where Mail Carriers Fear to Tread

BostonGlobe
US eases ban on liquids in air travel
Conan O'Brien helps Lawrence priest dedicate meals center

NYTimes
Vatican Excommunicates Zambian Archbishop

WashPost
Hill Salary Site Too Big a Hit

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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:48 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


NOT IN THE NEWS !

basic facts

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2003/12/19/iraq6770.htm
Human Rights Watch estimates that as many as 290,000 people were killed under the rule of Saddam Hussein.

For 24 years, that's roughly 12,000 per year. Or if you include roughly 600,000 dead from sanctions (a middle estimate), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_sanctions and 190,000 deaths from the Iraq/Iran war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Iran_War,
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Hussein's regime was responsible directly or indirectly for 45,000 deaths per year.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006
101001442.html

Study Claims Iraq's 'Excess' Death Toll Has Reached 655,000
Now, if you take the start of the post-Hussein period to be when the US invaded in March 2003 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_invasion,
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the US-led invasion is responsible for a mere 187,000 deaths per year.
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Trivial !

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Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:01 AM

RUE

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This addresses the day to day behind the scenes machinations of the Bush administration. It clearly shows how Bush is taking apart the EPA by muzzling it, cutting its funding, and dismantling the pieces it needs to work.



BUSH DECLARES ECO-WHISTLEBLOWER LAW VOID FOR EPA EMPLOYEES http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=743
As a result of an opinion issued by a unit within the Office of the Attorney General, federal workers will have little protection from official retaliation for reporting water pollution enforcement breakdowns, manipulations of science or cleanup failures.


EPA DUMBING DOWN ITS RESEARCH http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=661
“The one group not being asked to testify about agency science is the EPA scientists themselves,” Ruch added. “Unfortunately, EPA has forbidden its own specialists from speaking without political clearance.”

EPA CLOSING ITS MIDWEST LIBRARY — Holding Will Be Stored Indefinitely; Public Access to Research Compromised http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=660 The memo cites a 90% loss of funding for the regional library in President Bush’s proposed 2007 budget

EPA CLOSING ITS HEADQUARTERS LIBRARY OCTOBER 1 — Congress Asks for Review of Effects on Research, Regulation and Enforcement http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=751 The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is closing its Headquarters Library to the public, as well as its own staff, effective October 1. This shutdown is the latest in a series of agency library closures during the past few weeks. Curiously, EPA issued no similar public notice for its closures of its regional libraries in Chicago, Dallas and Kansas City, even though these three libraries provide services for the general public in 15 states and 109 tribal nations.

STEALTH CLOSURE OF PRINCIPAL EPA CHEMICAL LIBRARY — Unannounced Move Hampers Agency Scientists’ Review of New Chemicals Washington, DC http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=778 Without any word to the public, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has closed its specialized library for research on the effects and properties of chemicals
Citing budget pressures, EPA has in recent weeks closed several of its libraries across the country

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Monday, November 27, 2006 6:41 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Two entries for today:

Where is Condi Rice? While Iraq is falling apart and dubya is jetting around the world doing the diplomatic thing that he's so bad at, Condi is.... nowhere significant.


Whatever happened to Starchild Cherrix, the boy who refused chemo for lymphoma? It turns out, he's not going to the Hoxsey Clinic but has opted for the more conventional radiation therapy. His tumors have shrunk and he believes he's "cancer free".
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/10/starchild_abraham_cherrix_ra
diation_shri.php





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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:05 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

And Kaneman and Auraptor will lump Bolivia in with Iran.



You mean to say they aren't ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 7:13 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

And Kaneman and Auraptor will lump Bolivia in with Iran.



You mean to say they aren't ?



There is no comparison between Bolivia and Iran. I mean , c'mon, one is a tropical jungle full of guys with guns who hate us, and the other one is a desert full of camel jockeys with guns who hate us.

NO, wait, that was Iraq and VietNam.

"Now,I'm confused..."

I know... In Vietnam , they wore BLACK pajamas, and in Bolivia, they wear WHITE pajamas. See, that makes all the difference.

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:14 PM

CARTOON


Many years ago I used to enjoy frequenting the microfilm archives at our local newspaper. Occasionally, (when I could afford to) I'd make photocopies of the front pages of certain dates and bring them home to study in greater detail.

Doing this over a span of several months one thing occured to me (well, more than one thing occured to me, but as relative to this thread...)...

What stood out to me was the unmistakable fact that a decent percentage of things which made the headlines of yesteryear actually turned out to have no bearing at all in the annuls of history. If you doubt me (and I'm sure many of you do -- I know, it's your way), go back and peruse the front pages of your own local newspapers. You don't have to go back a century -- just a few decades. You also won't have to look long to see that much of what yesterday's world found itself fretting over never amounted to anything.

Of course, on the other side of the coin, there were the things which needed to be addressed, but which were remarkably ignored (Hitler, for one thing).

It makes you wonder what we're missing today, and what we're fretting needlessly over.

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


And that is the point of this thread, so I thank you for your input.

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:31 PM

CARTOON


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
And that is the point of this thread, so I thank you for your input.


Uh...

I don't think I've ever been "thanked" before.

You want me to have a heart attack or something???

You're welcomed.

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:36 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
NOT IN THE NEWS !

basic facts

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2003/12/19/iraq6770.htm
Human Rights Watch estimates that as many as 290,000 people were killed under the rule of Saddam Hussein.

For 24 years, that's roughly 12,000 per year. Or if you include roughly 600,000 dead from sanctions (a middle estimate), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_sanctions and 190,000 deaths from the Iraq/Iran war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Iran_War,
------------------
Hussein's regime was responsible directly or indirectly for 45,000 deaths per year.
------------------

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006
101001442.html

Study Claims Iraq's 'Excess' Death Toll Has Reached 655,000
Now, if you take the start of the post-Hussein period to be when the US invaded in March 2003 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_invasion,
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the US-led invasion is responsible for a mere 187,000 deaths per year.
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Trivial !




Did you count in the deaths directly caused by the pre-war sanctions ??




" Fighting them at their own game
Murder for freedom the stab in the back
Women and children and cowards attack

Run to the hills run for your lives "

http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/ironmaiden/liveafterdeath.html#12


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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:45 PM

DEEPGIRL187


People can say whatever they want to about global warming, all I know is this:

Here in Michigan (as of today), in a state once infamous for it's winters, there are dandelions blooming on the ground. At the end of November.

It gives one pause.

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:03 PM

CARTOON


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
People can say whatever they want to about global warming, all I know is this:

Here in Michigan (as of today), in a state once infamous for it's winters, there are dandelions blooming on the ground. At the end of November.


I live in northeastern Pennsylvania. I've seen frost in mid-May, and I've worn shorts in January. It happens from time to time.

Is there global warming? I don't know. There may be, or there may not be. As I'm not informed on the subject enough to venture an opinion, I won't do so. However, if you live long enough, you see things like you mentioned above everywhere.

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:09 PM

RUE

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Hi GinoB,

Did you count in the deaths directly caused by the pre-war sanctions ??

Yes, I counted pre-war sanctions. I saw so many divergent estimates, I used 600,000 as a middle estimate.
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Did you like beef-a-roni as a kid? Is that how you decided your handle ?

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:16 PM

RUE

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Cartoon,

WE AGREE !

"a decent percentage of things which made the headlines of yesteryear actually turned out to have no bearing at all in the annuls of history"

And uhm, if I thank you too I hope it makes it twice as good.

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:29 PM

CARTOON


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Cartoon,

WE AGREE !


Uh... I'm pretty sure that there's something in the bylaws of the Fireflyfans Forum which strictly prohibits this sort of thing.

As I really have nothing against you, I strongly suggest you go back and -- uh -- delete (edit) that sentence before someone in charge sees it.


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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:43 AM

RUE

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Uhmmm ... well I really hate to break any rules or anything ... but, uhhhhh, it looks like I'm too late. I'm stuck with it now, I guess.

I F Stone was a hero.

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:55 AM

CHRISISALL


Disappearing ice is all fine and well, but the biggest thing NOT in the news is the Richard Donner Cut of Superman 2 just out. It's spectacular. A must-see for Reeve fans.

Okay, go back to the 'real world' stuff now.....

One track Chrisisall

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