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In my opinion, there is no joy in the death of the wicked.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Glad he's gone, of course, but it's not glee or joy that I'm feeling. It's more a sober, quiet sense of justice for all those silenced by this monster.

It was for them.

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Originally posted by Hero:
Since the whole Saddam death thread was taken over by the war is bad and US is the real evil and US nuked the Kurds with Russian gas artillery from France over Saddam's heartfelt objections argument...

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Originally posted by rue:
Well folks, Slick has decreed that when talking about Hussein and Iraq we must never mention Bush and Blair. I hope you remember to follow his orders.

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"But then, I'm disturbed by the death of any unrepentant person, whether executed, murderered, accidental or natural."

So I guess you were deeply disturbed at Pinochet's passing.

Let's see, old thread, "Pinochet Dies." http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=25847 Any posting by Cartoon expressing disturbance? Nope. No posting by Cartoon at all.

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Originally posted by rue:
Hey Slick,

How did I try to hijack this thread into an anti-Bush campaign?

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Actually, I was referring to Simonwho's post.
Got a little ego going there, Rue? "Oh, I'm Rue. It's all about me."
How embarrassing for you. Loser.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm trying to recall when a scheduled execution of a head of state last took place. Kings and Presidents have been assassinated in office, but when's the last time a head of state was put on trial, sentenced to death, and then executed in a matter of not weeks, months or years, but in DAYS!

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Glad he's gone, of course, but it's not glee or joy that I'm feeling. It's more a sober, quiet sense of justice for all those silenced by this monster.

It was for them.

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Yeah, they'll be coming back to life any day now.

Doubtlessly you'll be similarly pleased by the execution of Bush and Blair, on behalf of the hundreds of thousands dead by their orders.

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Originally posted by rue:
You look terribly silly trying to amputate the topic of Iraq and Hussein from Bush and Blair. I was just making fun of you b/c you were so foolish.

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Originally posted by SimonF:

Nicolae Ceauşescu. Though the legality of it all was a bit dubious. But I doubt anyone in Romania still misses him.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Bush and Blair freed more from Saddams tyranny than were accidentally killed. You want to equate the intentional murders by Saddam w/ the colateral dammage from the Iraq war? You're not worth wasting my time.

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Originally posted by cartoon:
If every head of state were responsible for deaths caused by the wars they oversaw, then by the definition of some in this forum, I suppose that Abraham Lincoln should've been killed for liberating an enslaved population.

Oh wait. Lincoln was killed for liberating an enslaved population. Apparently, some of the people in this forum have the same mindset as John Wilkes Booth -- "Blame and kill the liberators!"

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Originally posted by Hero:
All they need now are some white hoods and a slogan like "The Democrats Shall Rise Again".

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Originally posted by citizen:
a slogan like "The Democrats Shall Rise Again".

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So while it is not possible to talk about Iraq without talking about Bush, Blair, and Saddam...it is possible to talk specifically about Saddam's execution without straying into the political minefield.

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All they need now are some white hoods and a slogan like "The Democrats Shall Rise Again".

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You Cartoon, AuRaptor and ShinyEd could lend them yours.

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But anyway, I hear that the people taunting Saddam are going to be punished. What is ths penalty for taunting an ex-dictator - ten yards and loss of down?

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But anyway, I hear that the people taunting Saddam are going to be punished. What is ths penalty for taunting an ex-dictator - ten yards and loss of down?

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Originally posted by cartoon:
Nonetheless, this was a good opportunity for the new Iraqi government to exhibit an air of civilization, and they shouldn't have allowed the taunting.

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If nothing else, it will only inflame Saddam's already insane followers.

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
The Iraqi Governemnt made a big mistake executing Saddam....and even worse, much worse was burying him in his hometown.

[He should have been set in permanent exile on an un-disclosed island somewhere, given a knife and bow and arrow, and left alone to fend for himself.

All the Iraqi govt. has done by executing him & burying him in Iraq was to provide a permanent shrine and martyr status for all the insane maniacs who loved him.

Also, would have been a great sign of maturity and democracy if they didn't kill him...showing the world they can transfer govt. leadership to civilian authority without killing the predecessor.]

Shiny Ed.....great post..I agree with all you stated.

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Originally posted by rue:
Zero and Slick, the usual suspects, ironically claiming the moral high ground. This is probably the best irony I've seen yet.

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Funny. I was trying for low humor, not the moral high ground.

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Originally posted by rue:
Somehow you didn't get the memo that making fun of someone's death looks sick. Or that calling them bad and then making fun of their death makes you look amoral.

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"This is not my husband but his double. Where is my husband? Take me to my husband! You think I do not know my husband? I was married to the man for more than twenty-five years!"
-Sajida Heiralla Tuffah Hussein, wife of Saddam Hussein, visiting the tortured imposter in US Death Camp, "Mrs Saddam says Saddam is not Saddam"

www.vialls.com/iraq/vaudeville.html
www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/061804saddamnotsaddam.htm
www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/saddam-pics.htm


Saddam sentenced to Death for 8 dead Iraqis - Death penalty ordered for Bush Jr, Clinton and Bush Sr for murdering 2.2-million Iraqis, and for killing 200,000 dead US Gulf war soldiers with friendly fire, radiactive uranium, made-in-USA WMDs and sabotaged vaccines.
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/piratenewsrss/message/299


US Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie: "I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business."
President Saddam Hussein: "As you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settlement on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a meeting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only this one more brief chance. (pause) When we (the Iraqis) meet (with the Kuwaitis) and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death."
Glaspie: "We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."
President Saddam Hussein: (smiles)
-Videotaped meeting between Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and US Ambassador April Glaspie, July 25, 1990 (Eight days before the August 2, 1990 Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait)

Journalist 2: "You knew Saddam was going to invade (Kuwait) but you didn't warn him not to. You didn't tell him America would defend Kuwait. You told him the opposite - that America was not associated with Kuwait."
Journalist 1: "You encouraged this aggression - his invasion. What were you thinking?"
US Ambassador Glaspie: "Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait."
-US Embassy, Baghdad, Iraq, September 2, 1990


US Army War College: NO PROOF SADDAM GASSED THE KURDS! It was the Iranians, stupid!
www.whatreallyhappened.com/helms.html

SADDAM'S HANGING VERDICT IS ILLEGAL AND UNJUST, SAYS SADDAM'S JUDGE
http://blogs.salon.com/0002255/2006/12/28.html

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Since I need to draw a picture for some, Slick just did exactly what I described - called Hussein an evil man (claiming the moral high ground); then did a dubya and made fun of the execution of a human being (amoral reaction).

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Originally posted by Geezer:
So you don't consider Saddam an evil man? You think he deserves the respect due an honorable person?

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I think the point is that we can't set ourselves up as better than 'them' if we don't treat 'them' better than they would treat 'us'.

Don't you think there would be a moral message in treating our worse enemy with the same reverence as our greatest hero?

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So while I find this whole Laughing at Saddam crap a bit amateurish (I’ve not participated in it and I won’t), it’s a hell of lot better then treating him like our “greatest hero.” God forbid we ever become that much of a bunch of lunatics.

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... I mean if we don't treat your enemies as you'd like to be treated in that situation how can we start harping on about the moral high ground?

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Originally posted by Geezer:
I personally mock Saddam's death because I personally do not consider him worthy of respect, based on his actions throughout his life. I save my respect for those who have earned it. Gerald Ford and James Brown come to mind.

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Besides what's the problem with looking like a bunch of Lunatics? You'd get your own way more often, no one wants to have a barny with a bunch of lunatics holding nuclear weapons.

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Originally posted by rue:
Slick,

Once again you have presented yet another straw-man argument. What I said was the issue was your personal hypocracy. Saying he's an evil man and then delighting in death. It's the one plus the other.

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