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In my opinion, this is a much simpler and more believable conspiracy theory than most of the ones foisted upon us by conspiracy theorists.

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In my opinion, this is a much simpler and more believable conspiracy theory than most of the ones foisted upon us by conspiracy theorists.

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What about the conspiracy the cover up the truth about 9/11 (that it simply was an attack by Al Queda terrorists using hyjacked airplanes) by coming up with all these conspiracy theories?

You see all the great conspiracies were winding down, folk were losing interest. So all the conspiracy folk got together to invent a new conspiracy. Originally they intended to have the great "Orchestrated Fall of the Phoney Communism Causes Global Warming at BehestCaused by Corporate Air Conditioning Interests Controlled by Jews Fronting for the Knights Templar". But the 9/11 happened so they took up the "Bush behind 9/11" banner instead.

JFK, Elvis, Aliens, they are all old news, now they have a whole bunch of books, movies, and websites.

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Anthony T wrote- How to Write A Conspiracy Theory

Hello,

Having recently perused some wild and wacky conspiracy theories about 9/11 on this board, I thought I'd give a lesson to conspiracy theorists about how to concoct future conspiracy theories. I believe the secret to a good conspiracy theory is that it be simple and believable. Now, conspiracy theories by nature require some level of complexity to make them appealing. but I think you'll see how this works without planting demolitions, launching missiles, remote-controlled jets, or making weird disembarkations of passengers.

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What about the conspiracy the cover up the truth about 9/11 (that it simply was an attack by Al Queda terrorists using hyjacked airplanes) by coming up with all these conspiracy theories?

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You see all the great conspiracies were winding down, folk were losing interest. So all the conspiracy folk got together to invent a new conspiracy.

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Originally they intended to have the great "Orchestrated Fall of the Phoney Communism Causes Global Warming at BehestCaused by Corporate Air Conditioning Interests Controlled by Jews Fronting for the Knights Templar". But the 9/11 happened so they took up the "Bush behind 9/11" banner instead.

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JFK, Elvis, Aliens, they are all old news, now they have a whole bunch of books, movies, and websites.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Ah, Antimason, then you will never win.

Because if the Conspirators create a version of events that is plausible, and you propose one that is not plausible, they win.

Create better conspiracy theories. Or you lose.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"i dont appreciate being implicitly referred to as a terrorist, because i doubt and scrutinize the government.."

I don't think anybody has implied that you are a terrorist. A lot of people imply that you are off your rocker.

But anyways, try to answer me these questions:

1) What is the desired effect of the 9/11 conspiracy?

2) Why could this effect not be achieved without planting explosives (Thermite, even!) within the Twin Towers?

3) You say traces of Thermite were discovered in the wreckage of the towers. What, specifically was found, and by whom? Do you have copies of the reports in question?

4) Why was it necessary to use a (missile/military jet) to strike the Pentagon, when regular commercial airliners were available for the job, and would fit the bill of goods the authorities are trying to sell?

5) Why would you disembark a plane full of people and then fake the crash of their plane, when it is easier to actually crash the plane they are on?

Please take on these points, one by one, as I have presented them. Please avoid tangents like Satanic worshipping and Skull and Bones unless they are directly related to these points.


--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"i dont appreciate being implicitly referred to as a terrorist, because i doubt and scrutinize the government.."

I don't think anybody has implied that you are a terrorist. A lot of people imply that you are off your rocker.

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4884818450327382904

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"i dont appreciate being implicitly referred to as a terrorist, because i doubt and scrutinize the government.."

I don't think anybody has implied that you are a terrorist. A lot of people imply that you are off your rocker.

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exactly, we're either crazy, or terrorists.. but theres no possibility that we're onto something?

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antimason- why create a false flag terror event to begin with? what do they care.. the purpose is to fullfill an agenda, its all a means to an end.. if they need to turn transponders off and set up CIA decoy drills they will

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AnthonyT- This is the second question in a row that you failed to answer. "If they need to, they will!" But they don't need to, so they didn't. Thanks for playing.

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Originally posted by antimason:
the evidence speaks for itself, if only you are willing to accept it

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As for the PNAC thing, its not that uncommon for think tanks to discuss conditions needed for certain types of policy to be possible. That doesnt even mean they WANT the condition to happen much less that they organised it.

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Which is exactly what you're asking us to do. Believe in something for which there is no basis in fact.

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Which is exactly what you're asking us to do. Believe in something for which there is no basis in fact.

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"there are none more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free"

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I see that you completely avoided denying that you have no basis in true fact for your argument.

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your statement was too vague, subjective and innaccurate, so what did you want me to respond to? are you denying Marvin Bush worked for Securacom? or that CIA members were linked to insider trading the morning of 9/11? those are facts, friend.. but maybe theyre irrelevant to you, because you have no use for them in your magic bullet government propoganda story you worship

there is a broader motive, supported by the central banks, for global government, and its been admitted by guys like Rockefeller and Kissinger for years, but the masses at the bottom of the pyramid choose to remain ignorant about it. that was the real motive behind 9/11.. not religion, like you were lead to believe

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PNTV WORLD EXCLUSIVE: All 24 hours from American Scholars Symposium
www.piratenews.org/911con.html

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks.”
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—Dick Cheney, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

QUESTION: "Mr President, in your speeches, you rarely mention Osama Bin Laden. Why is that?"
GEORGE BUSH JR: "I don't know where he is. I just don't spend that much time on him."

"9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
—FBI agent Rex Tomb, June 6, 2006
www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

"The goal has never been to get Bin Laden."
—General Richard Myers, chairman, US Joint Chiefs of Staff
www.myspace.com/911pressfortruth

OPERATION NORTHWOODS - the signed confession by US Govt for perping terrorist attacks in USA
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

"THE HANGMAN EQUALS DEATH!
THE DEVIL EQUALS DEATH!
DEATH EQUALS DEATH!"
-Initiation ritual in Yale University's Skull & Bones Senior Secret Society, New Haven, Connecticut (Ron Rosenbaum, New York Observer, "At Skull and Bones, Bush's Secret Club Initiates Ream Gore," 4/2/01)
www.prisonplanet.com/initiates_ream_gore.html

"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."
-Junior Bush, United Nations Corporation, November 10, 2001
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/20011110-3.html

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, heh heh heh, just so long as I'm the dictator, heh heh heh."
-Junior Bush, convicted drunk driver, convicted cokehead, arrested for vandalism, arrested for theft, convicted AWOL, convicted of disobeying a lawful order for drug test, demoted from pilot to mail clerk, sentenced to 6 months extra duty for desertion of Vietnam Wars, sued for rape, currently sued under RICO Act for perping the 9/11 terrorist massacres, performs ritual human sacrifice to Molech/Lucifer/Satan at Bohemian Grove, faggot sodomite who masterbates in coffins with Victor Victoria Ashe
www.vestigialconscience.com/bush-dictator.mpeg
www.suetheterrorists.net
www.911forthetruth.com


Bush Gang and Bill Clinton-Blythe Rockefeller performing "mock" human sacrifice to 50-foot tall idol of Molech/Lucifer/Satan at Bohemian Grove. That's a "live" human body burning as it screams in agony over the loudspeakers. Photo copyright Bohemian Club annual yearbook
http://www.43places.com/places/view/379646

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove and The Order of Death
Two documentaries in one - An employee of Bohemian Grove presidential compound used undercover video to capture the 50-foot-tall idol of Molech and "mock" human sacrifice up close and in broad daylight - Undercover video by Infowars.com
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Boners at Bohemian Grove
Music video by Counter Coup and John Lee
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2740234893142263113&q=boners+a
t+bohemian+grove


http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/02/bush.dui/

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BuffaloPhil- define "CIA agents were 'linked' to inside traders."

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I think your conspiracy theory is far to complex to work. Like that one guy said, "Complex plans don't work. Ask Napoleon."

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David Rockefeller- "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion
for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National autodetermination practiced in past centuries"

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"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

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"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." -Thomas Jefferson

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"Like it or not, you are a slave. You admit you are a slave every April 15th! That's when you sign forms that "voluntarily" lay bare to the government the most private details of your life! And few people realize the income tax is a slave tax. It can never be compatible with the life of
a free people." ALAN KEYES - Republican Nominee for President

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"A slave is he who cannot speak his thoughts."
-Euripides

"In the first few days of the new session of Congress, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and big Washington insiders such as Public Citizen and Common Cause will try to silence critics by regulating us through quarterly reports to Congress. Failure to report would result in civil and potential criminal penalties. Section 220 of S. 1, the lobbying reform bill currently before the Senate, would require grassroots causes, even bloggers, who communicate to 500 or more members of the public on policy matters, to register and report quarterly to Congress the same as the big K Street lobbyists. Section 220 would amend existing lobbying reporting law by creating the most expansive intrusion on First Amendment rights ever. For the first time in history, critics of Congress will need to register and report with Congress itself. This latest attack on bloggers comes hot on the heels of Republican Senator John McCain's proposal to introduce legislation that would fine blogs up to $300,000 for offensive statements, photos and videos posted by visitors on comment boards."
-Richard A. Viguerie, Chairman, www.GrassrootsFreedom.com, January 17, 2007 (TN senators Lamar "I Raped Cathy O'Brien And Almost Killed Her" Alexander and Bob "I Hire Illegal Alien Felons" Corker both voted YES)
www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?
congress=110&session=1&vote=00002

"We're all black people now."
-Dick Gregory, September 12, 2001

slave.
Middle English sclave, from Old French esclave, from Medieval Latin sclvus, from Sclvus, Slav (from the widespread enslavement of captured Slavs in the early Middle Ages); see SLAV. Word History: The derivation of the word slave encapsulates a bit of European history and explains why the two words slaves and Slavs are so similar; they are, in fact, historically identical.
-American Heritage® Dictionary

"The people resemble a wild beast, which, naturally fierce and accustomed to live in the woods, has been brought up, as it were, in a prison and in servitude, and having by accident got its liberty, not being accustomed to search for its food, and not knowing where to conceal itself, easily becomes the prey of the first who seeks to incarcerate it again."
-Niccolo Machiavelli, Secretary of War for City-state of Florence, Italy, and tortured in his own city as a POW, from The Prince
www.constitution.org/mac/prince00.htm

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."
-Hosea 4:6, Christian Bible (KJV)

"Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, especially the New Testament."
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Shabbath 116a

"The following is a list of Jews who participated in the Revolutionary War: Major George Bush, Major Louis Bush and Major Solomon Bush."
-Jewish Calendar for Soldiers and Sailors, 1943-1944
www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/calendar.html

"The picture of American society has, if I may so speak, a surface covering of democracy, beneath which the old aristocratic colors sometimes peep out. Men do not receive the truth from their enemies, and their friends scarcely offer it to them; that is why I have spoken it."
-Count Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/toc_indx.html

Junior Bush is 3rd cousin to the German Queen of England Elizabeth Sax Coberg Gotha






Bush family's head on a stick in British Parliament in 2007
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/piratenewsrss/message/174

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
If it were'nt for conspiracy theories a hell of a lot of Publishers and Websites would go out of business.

Therefore:

Conspiracy creates Capital,
Capital fills the pockets of the ruling elite.

Ergo;
Conspiracy is the creation of the ruling elite.

My work here is done.

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The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

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PS: oldenglanddry, I didn't miss the irony in your post, just thought I'd have some fun.

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Oldenglanddry-
If it were'nt for conspiracy theories a hell of a lot of Publishers and Websites would go out of business.

Therefore:

Conspiracy creates Capital,
Capital fills the pockets of the ruling elite.

Ergo;
Conspiracy is the creation of the ruling elite.

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Oldenglanddry-
If it were'nt for conspiracy theories a hell of a lot of Publishers and Websites would go out of business.

Therefore:

Conspiracy creates Capital,
Capital fills the pockets of the ruling elite.

Ergo;
Conspiracy is the creation of the ruling elite.

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alright buddy... and what about the corporate media??.. who altogether makes more money during sweeps than all the conspiracy websites and authors would in a year combined.. so get real, whos really out for the money?

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But anyways, try to answer me these questions:

1) What is the desired effect of the 9/11 conspiracy?

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i already answered your five points, but they werent what you wanted to hear

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Well "Buddy", conspiracy theories are big money earners. It's a multi million dollar business. Just look at the amount of money PIRATENEWS claims to make from his website. Do you think he's doing it for the good of mankind? No, he does it because idiots like you will give him credence.

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The fact is that we live in a GLOBAL Capitalist social system. Capitalism pervades every level of society in every corner of the world and yet as a means of improving humanities basic qualities of life has been impotent for nearly 100 years.

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In order for Capitalism to keep tottering along it has to use the preverbial "oldest trick in the book" I.E. "Divide and rule" and the associated distraction tactics that make the strategy work.

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The biggest and most effective distraction tactic there is is the rumour, and Conspiracy is the ultimate in these tactics because it is self-perpetuating and plays on the ideas that people like to think that they are part of some great adventure and bigger than they actually are.

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I or indeed you could go to any forum on any website and start a conspiracy theory off the top of our heads that would be believed by thousands in a matter of days. It's a little like religion, leaps of faith, the very act of believing it makes it true for a great many people.

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i dont know all the details.. we are simply pointing out inconsistencies in the official story. why was wreckage recovered over 8 miles away from the PA crash, if it indeed came down in a struggle? why was military craft seen in the area just prior to the crash? according to the families of flight 93, who were allowed by the FBI to hear the cockpit voice recorder, their were no conclusive signs that a struggle ever occurred.. so all we're doing is peicing together the events as they were seen, and not just as we were told by the 9.11 whitewash commission

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i know what youre getting at... why overcomplicate the conspiracy if its not neccessary; but if the government is behind it anyways, overcomplicating itust ensures its disbelief among the less skeptically inclined

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i emplore you to do some research outside of your mainstream, accidental view of history, because they do exist, and are not the figment of our imaginations

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Well "Buddy", conspiracy theories are big money earners. It's a multi million dollar business. Just look at the amount of money PIRATENEWS claims to make from his website. Do you think he's doing it for the good of mankind? No, he does it because idiots like you will give him credence.

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do we have a cable news network? by that i mean, any influential media representation which supports our 'conspiratorial' view of society? no.. you have to seek it through the 'alternative' media, like literature, the internet or radio; but mainstream history is dominated by the establishment view, which just outright denies reality. the Federal reserve is a private bank, and they do control the US government... and the media wont say a damn thing to inform you, because theyre in on it. and if youll notice, theres a movement by people like John McCain and director of HS Michael Chertoff, to censor the internet, which is central for communication and dialogue(including knowledge exchange)... meanwhile big money is being thrown at the mouthpeice propoganda networks like CBS, Fox news, CNN.. because they support the establishment view of history. the media is used to stir the pot, and influence society subliminally in certain directions to obtain specific outcomes.. this was known from the beginning of television. if you wonder why Fox hates conspiracy theories, its because they harm corporate America.. which has done nothing but sale us out and undermine our constitution anyways

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thats because you do not understand the system; whoever creates the money, controls the government, period; and the central banks are owned privately by a relatively small group of individuals. the great depression is perfect evidence of their manipulation.. but that knowledge has been kept quite, because to expose the truth behind our monetary policy would cause a genuine revolution

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exactly.. which is what mainstream media is used for, by its puppetmasters, to implant communist/humanist concepts into the American psyche- and condition you for the new world order, neo fuedalist global society being prepared for you

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distraction tactic from what? your unrealized enslavement? go back to sleep..

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I or indeed you could go to any forum on any website and start a conspiracy theory off the top of our heads that would be believed by thousands in a matter of days. It's a little like religion, leaps of faith, the very act of believing it makes it true for a great many people.

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IMO, the trend of history towards the final global government is in itself the proof of God, and the prophecies regarding the system of the beast. it all comes down to.. where does man get his rights from? either you have God given rights, or government gives you your rights(which are dictated by men). does government exist to give man his rights? because, besides being communistic, it just exemplifies a servitude to our own creation... which is supposed to exist for our benefit. ultimately, who decides what is right(the elite)? a humanist would say that their are no empirical truths, that everything is relative, that we decide within their own conscience what is appropriate. take a look through history.. you couldnt keep track of the number of tyrants in power... because if there is no God, then you have no rights, you have but privelages, as you are entitled to nothing but what you are granted; the past shows that the ruling class has always held the lower masses as profane, subpar, subhuman to themselves.. and have done everything to suppress and rule over them. if your a sovereign being, and have rights.. then do the right thing, and protect the rights of others aswell. theres nothing selfish about that, yet its quite the opposite of supporting the establishment, and asking for your own enslavement

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