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Originally posted by antimason:
i know, how evil to believe that we are more than what we seem. id much rather believe that im nothing more than a piece of inanimate rock, which chose to come a live at some point billions of years ago beyond speculation

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Originally posted by Khyron:

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Originally posted by antimason:
i know, how evil to believe that we are more than what we seem. id much rather believe that im nothing more than a piece of inanimate rock, which chose to come a live at some point billions of years ago beyond speculation

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Wait... is your beef with evolution or abiogenesis? Because those two aren't the same thing.

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Originally posted by Malbadinlatin:
One of the top 10 stupidest things I heard in 2006 came from a Jehova Witness friend of mine...it was:

"If we evolved from Monkeys, why are Monkeys still here?"

The quote..."this must be what going crazy feels like" was given new meaning. I didn't know where to begin, but he's a nice guy so I just stared at him for a while and changed the subject.

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Originally posted by SimonWho:

Same old arguments that have been debunked time and again.

But regardless of that, there is no proper scientific argument that can end with "As we don't understand this process, God must have done it."

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Originally posted by antimason:
if the universe evolved itself, there should be the dead carcasses of prior evolutions in its wake, no? everyhthing on earth evolved from a single bacteria.. so where are the trillions of variations which would have occurred to lead us to this point? i see the same species there always were.. but ive never seen hybrid bacteria/fish/monkey/human fossils lying around, which would prove that we all share the same common link

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Originally posted by antimason:
God is a theory, just as evolution.

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That has to be the stupidest post ever on FFF.net.

Congratulations! You had some tough competition.

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wheres all your proof at?

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Originally posted by TakeMeFlying:
The fact of the matter is simply that throughout human history, people have used any number of social mechanisms to increase their own safety and survival - of themselves, their family, their property. Laws -religious or secular-, customs, norms: they are all social constructs that help separate individuals live and function together as a relatively orderly whole. One of the most easily manipulated dynamics are simply Us vs Them, and the most empowering validations of that distinction is "my God said so." It's also one of the most inflamatory and intractable, because, interpreted and written in stone by men and women just as worried and alnoe as any of us today, it requires everyone but those within "Us" to be wrong.
Spirituality, shared and private, can provide comfort, guidance, a sense of belonging, of right and wrong, a connectedness to something more than one's self. But when it solidifies into a rigid social construct that demands complete compliance from everything and everyone, it stops being anything more than a tool for the powerful and the unscrupulous. Anything one thinks, believes, loves can be turned to chains in the wrong hands, if you let them.
Believe anything you want, it is a human drive and priviledge to reach to the heavens for meaning and comfort, but water will freeze or turn to steam under consistent conditions, and that is science, and it isn't subject to faith.
Believe with all your heart, pray with every breath, see the world with the eyes of your faith - but accept that others have the same right, and there is a basic, physical reality to this world that does not require your faith or mine to exist.
Science & faith are *independent* of each other.

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