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Originally posted by citizen:
It's reasonable, China will be subject to the same world wide pressures as America, China's buisness is currently aimed at supplying the Western nations, and that's why they won't go off conquering the world. It's not in their best interests, a point you gloss over rather completely.

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Oh a conspiracy theory, the Chinese have been planning this in secret for hundreds of years. Maybe they're the planners for the NWO and the secret pagan societies, perhaps we should ask Antimason?

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Right, so the chinese have been isolationists for hundreds of years.....

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China pretty much owns America economically as it is....

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a substantial amount of America's national debt is to the Chinese.

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In other words the Chinese could cripple America tomorrow by presenting a bill, but as Finn says a stable world is in Americas best interests, as it is with the Chinese. They're making a fortune off of a relatively stable world.....

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and crippling America's economy could only damage that.

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The point is that the Chinese aren't going to go on a murderous expansionist kick just because they surpass the United States as #1 super power, it wouldn't be in their best interests, and with the Chinese general isolationist attitude I think they'd probably be even less likely to put troops on to foreign soil.

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Ohh a personal insult, final proof you have a better understanding. Stick to the crazy fallacious conspiracy theories, it's all your good at, and leave you're not so clevely disguised borderline schitzophrenia and emotional hatred for anything outside of the US out of this. Anyone who actually reads something other than the front page of 'prisionplanet' already knows you're full of shit.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Of course it's not in their best interests NOW. A point which I actually made quite clearly last post. Unlike America who has been talking about Anna Nicole Smith all week and you who is so wrapped up in current scientific discoveries, they have a plan for something beyond the weekend boozefest.

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Don't be rediculous son. Are you suggesting that this all happened by accident and China was in the right place at the right time?

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Tell that to Taiwan.

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There could be many reasons for this isolation and secrecy, and not all of them benevolent, as you seem to suggest.

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This is not even remotely close to what you said. Here's a few of your quotes:

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Bullshit. No elaboration necessary.

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If by substantial, you mean an amount that should probably have Americans a little more concerned about than say, who is going to win American Idol, then I agree with you 100%. In the context you were using it, that statement is bullshit as well.

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But then you finish it with more bullshit. As I've said, and you argued with me that you agreed with, this would destroy China's economy as well and probably the entire world's economy.

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There is no way you could ever prove the intentions of a government... EVER. This is conjecture in it's purest form and since for the most part, I do like my life, I would not be so welcoming to a change as you do. Not being part of the great Beast which is America, I can see why you would want somebody else heading the world though. Everybody loves an underdog.

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Awwwwwwww, did I get under your skin Sally?

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And leave you're not so clevely disguised borderline schitzophrenia and emotional hatred for anything outside of the US out of this.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
And I just have to laugh at my "hatered for anything outside of the US". I'm hardly a xenophobe, and I've never hid my contempt for my country's government and general attitude. I'm quite sympathetic to Iraq and the invasion they've gone through. I don't buy into this "pre-emptive" strike shit anymore than you do. Please don't lose sight that we do happen to agree on quite a bit outside of the realm of science because you're angry at me now.

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Why don't you give me a pill science boy?

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Originally posted by citizen:
And given that they're rise to super power is being supported by western trade, mostly with the US it's hard to see how it'll EVER be in their best interests.

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Because believing they've been planning this for hundreds of years makes so much sense.

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The day an ignorant borderline troll really gets under my skin would be the day indeed sweetheart.

Go back to flirting with women through email because you haven't the balls to do it in real life .

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Again, that's because you aren't looking more than a few years in the future. They're banking over $18 Billion USD worth of foreign currency every month. At that rate there will be a day where they can do whatever the hell they want to do.

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Completely missing the point again. Chinese have the ability to plan much further ahead than materialistic societies like America and UK. They adapt very well too. World events change all the time and they adjust their plans accordingly. Why isn't India in position to be the next world superpower?

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I have nothing but the utmost respect for the Chinese intelligence and their ability to get where they have gotten today. Especially their unyielding attitude about their own currency. They are stubborn as hell and aren't going to allow the US government to bully them and debase their own currency. They are much more fiscally responsible than America, though I fear that may be in large part at the expense of their own peolpe.

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America surely did become the #1 superpower because of the right place at the right time. two large oceans protecting her. A relatively easy southern border with people with inferior technology to defend against, when our leaders actually choose to, Canadians and French up North. Barring current technologies, it would have been impossible to ever physically take over America (being why this is happening financially and politically now). Not to mention that our land was very fertile and the climate very favorable. I will not argue this point at all.

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China, however, is a different ballgame altogether. They have none of the things which I mentioned above, at least not in the quanity and quality that America had. Add to that the insanely high population to govern and the situation is so far removed from America's rise to power that the rise to superpower couldn't even happen the same way. Their rise is not coincidental or the "right place at the right time". This is due to China's intelligence, planning, unwavering and diligence, and to suggest otherwise is an insult to the Chinese people.

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America is not on trial here. I can't argue your point, because you're absolutely right, but you and I know that it had absolutely nothing to do with my brining up Taiwan. Could it be that I was right and this is your way of cleverly trying to change the subject?

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It's not what you said.

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I'm not being obtuse, I'm just saying that your wording of the whole situation could be a little more based in reality and a little less anti-American.

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Well, I think that I've been saying this all along. But because you and I both know they won't do this, at least not now, it is a non-threat, and therefore, Bullshit.

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Hey Cit... we got the same problems man. You don't budge on a goddamned thing either, so that's just the pot calling the kettle black.

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I don't think that blood will flow through the streets anytime soon. I don't think an invasion will take place on American soil from the Chinese. The economy will control everything in the future as it already does now.

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I only point out your anti-American sentiment because I feel it clouds your vision from the truth on certain issues. I'm definately not doing it as a defense against American policy or whatever it is the rest of the world hates us for today. I'd like to think of myself as not one of the sheep, so your American insults don't bother me, it's just that I think you've already made up your mind on certain issues before you hear them out because of your feelings on this.

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Now Suzie baby. Tsk, Tsk.... That's about as personal as you can get in here honey. Don't you think you should reserve the truely trolllike behavior and comments to combat the trolls, and not the borderline ones?

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What's the matter valentine? Are you jealous that I stopped emailing you cutie? You're just too much woman for me to handle baby.

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Originally posted by babywiththepower:
Citizen, almost every topic I've ever read your posts on I've come to the conclusion you've got your head too far up your fourth point of contact you wouldn't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

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Romans, Greeks, Ottomans, The Hapsburgs, The British, The Japanese, The Germans...who'd I leave out?

Anywho, They all invaded countries. Most of the populations at the time were convinced that their leaders did it for just reasons. The people felt increased national pride and some profited. Why wouldn't the citizens on average think everything is just fine, and aren't we nice for making the world more secure

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Originally posted by mazaen:
Germany sunk an American passenger ship and attacked the allies of America. So America decided to defended itself and it's allies and go into war with the German government.

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Originally posted by mazaen:


That is an interesting point you make that Germany and Japan's population was convinced their leader invaded other countries for just reasons. Germany issued a lot of propoganda and untruths and used people's insecurities about Jewish people to convince the population to support them.

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People would still be convinced that Germany had invaded other countries for just reasons if Germany had not won the war. History would have written that Hitler was the ideal leader. People believe what their told by propaganda.

So America decided to defended itself and it's allies and go into war with the German government. Terrorists attacked America with plane bombs so America decided to defend themselves by getting into a war with Afganistan

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This war is all about oil

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Originally posted by citizen:

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Originally posted by mazaen:
Germany sunk an American passenger ship and attacked the allies of America. So America decided to defended itself and it's allies and go into war with the German government.

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One thing, Japan attacked America, and although you're right Germany did attack American interests America didn't declare war on Germany. America declared war on Japan, Germany's axis ally at the time, and Germany responded by declaring war on America.

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Originally posted by babywiththepower:
Depends on which war he was talking about. If he was talking about WWI and refering to the RMS Lusitania, he's almost correct. The RMS Lusitania was a British ocean liner and when a German submarine fired on it without warning, it galvanized the US' stance against Gemany's policy of unrestricted submarine warfare. It was one of the events that lead to the US entering the war.

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Originally posted by Mazaen:
History would have written that Hitler was the ideal leader. People believe what their told by propaganda.

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