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So for all those principled conservatives out there, she's representing you and representing you often.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
If I were actually agreeing with what she says, I'd understand the reaction I'm getting, but getting insulted for basically noting that two wrongs don't make a right leads me to think that some folk are back in that old "anything other than total agreement is opposition" rut.

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Originally posted by rue:
Richards snapped v Coulter aforethought and malice. The only apparent difference (by your own post) is that Coulter spoke on purpose and Richards snapped. So in your mind Coulter should be excused because she said it on purpose.
Stellar logic, that.

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If I were actually agreeing with what she says, I'd understand the reaction I'm getting, but getting insulted for basically noting that two wrongs don't make a right leads me to think that some folk are back in that old "anything other than total agreement is opposition" rut.

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What it sounded to me like you were saying was, "Both sides do it." Which I think I have shown is not the case.

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"Two wrongs don't make a right." But what if the two wrongs are apples and oranges when it comes to comparison? If you are trying to minimize the negativity of one wrong by comparing it to a categorically different wrong then I'd say you've got a dog in the hunt.

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"Negativity" is the key word here. If you oppose Ms. Coulter's negative approach, try something other than emulating her by doing the same thing. If the only way we can disagree is by negative attacks, we're all lost, no matter our position.

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"Negativity" is the key word here. If you oppose Ms. Coulter's negative approach, try something other than emulating her by doing the same thing. If the only way we can disagree is by negative attacks, we're all lost, no matter our position.

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Any emulation here in this thread is only a pale imitation with no official sanction.

I see no one in this thread who makes tons of money from conservative organizations. I see no one in this thread who sells tons of books. I see no one in this thread who is invited on numerous cable news shows as a conservative commentator. I see no one in this thread who calls on their followers to violently attack those who disagree with them.

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When someone tries to demean another person by invoking a shared bias - nigger, faggot, kike - it goes beyond personal and into prejudice. And when they indeed try to incite violence it goes beyond prejudice and into hate speech. And when that person is paid millions to present that hate speech to large audiences it goes beyond hate speech into a concerted hate campaign.

You little boys got it now?

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So why the need for the kinky sex, blood bathing, transvestite, funny hands shtick? Someone put a good bit of effort into the sites that folks here linked to. What's the point? Just to look clever?

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closet bull-dyke

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You still don't get it. There's a difference between making a PERSONAL remark about the SPECIFICS of an INDIVIDUAL, versus demeaning a whole group by using words like FAGGOT.

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Slick,

There ARE transexuals who feel demeaned by being compared to Coulter. Is that what you mean?

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You said: "When someone tries to demean another person by invoking a shared bias - nigger, faggot, kike - it goes beyond personal and into prejudice." So apparently you think calling a person a nigger, faggot, or kike to demean them goes beyond personal insult and into prejudice against Blacks, homosexuals and Jews. I agree. How about demeaning a person by calling them a transsexual, or a bull dyke, or sexually outside the norm? Is it all right to express prejudice against these three groups, but not against the N/F/K-word troika?

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I guess Geezer has no explanation for his selective disappointment in the quality of FFF.net postings.

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Sure, you got the right to insult Ms. Coulter by making demeaning comparisons with transexuals. Does sort of undercut your complaints about her actions if you do the same thing. Which has been my point from the beginning.

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Originally posted by JKiddo:
if you think that FFF.net folks wouldn't sink to that level, what about "Shiny"Ed, whose posts are replete with such gems as ...
pompous & hypocrite
pretty-boy
retarded
pretty-boy
pretty-boy
vile bloodsucking tort-lawyer
pimps
juman beans (an insult to juman beans everywhere...)
Silky Pony (Auraptor) and...

hey if it takes maniacal & demented religious sub-humans from Islam to shake up Hollywood degenerates

which was immediately followed by YOUR post...

In a later update, Tehran has moved to sever all diplomatic relations with Sparta in response to their attack on peace-loving Persian invaders 2,487 years ago.

Where's the outrage, man? Where's the disappointment about sinking so low?

Oh yeah, that's right.. it was all meant in fun.

So was mine.

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But is the point to focus in on only one aspect of the problem? The one aspect that allows us to not discuss the more pressing issue concerning one political party's institutional support and encouragement of hate speech and what it says about a subset of it's members that this tactic works?

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Ann Coulter is paid by conservatives to preach hate and intolerance. Her message reaches millions.

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Slick,

So I checked out it out. The VERY FIRST mention of Coulter being a trans-X (-sexual, -gender, -vestite or whatnot) was PirateNews Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 19:20.

The NEXT post on the topic was from you Slick, March 08, 2007 - 02:27 asking why 'multiple posters' call her a trans-X; and again Monday, March 12, 2007 - 14:23 asking about the trans-X 'schtick'. In fact, the only person who keeps doing that schtick would be you.

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But using hate speech against Ms. Coulter in complaining about her hate speech seems to show a double standard, which is what I originally pointed out.

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Nope, not taking it out of context. You are the only one using the trans-X schtick. Not to criticize Coulter but to portray her a martyr. No one else here is doing trans-X. Just you.

Why is that?

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Anyone who takes the time to actually read my first post will note you're pretty selective in taking things out of context to avoid the issue. Typical.

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John Edwards is a bunch of sticks? Well, he always did seem a little stiff...

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Your first post? Would that be this one?

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Apparently Geezer you have your sights locked on Rue and you're ignoring me...

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If you're at the point of killing, murder is a more effective solution to the problem.

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I sometimes get the feeling Geezer and Rue are an old couple that are on here bickering for a laugh. Every now and again I could swear they're married or something.

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Hannity's "Great Americans" A Former Gay Porn Star And Male Prostitute
www.jonesreport.com/articles/080307_hannity_gay_porn.html


News Hounds
March 8, 2007

No, not Jeff Gannon/Guckert but Cpl. Matt Sanchez who appeared on Hannity & Colmes to talk about an alleged incident of being called a baby killer by members of Columbia University's International Socialist Organization. So eager was Sean Hannity to embrace this "victim" of liberal hate (which Columbia, though it investigated the incident, never confirmed) that nobody at FOX News seems to have bothered to do any kind of background check. Or maybe they did and nobody cared.



Had they done the same kind of research Hannity always blames Dan Rather for not doing, "America's Newsroom" FOX News would have discovered this, courtesy of Max Blumenthal, at the Huffington Post:

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As several gay blogs revealed late yesterday, Corporal Sanchez was known during his halcyon days as Rod Majors, a majorly well-endowed gay porn star. (Photos of Corp. Sanchez aka Rod Majors in action can be viewed here. I warn you, this link is NOT to be clicked on if you have minors around or if you're in a crowded workplace). According to Tom Bacchus, Sanchez was also a $200-an-hour male prostitute who advertised himself (here) as an "excellent top."
You can read more and follow Blumenthal's links at HuffPo.
www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/cpacs-gay-porn-star-hono_b_42842
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Mann Coulter with Log Cabin Jew Matt Drudge at Gay Pride parade

Hormone replacement therapy (trans)

Hormone replacement therapy (HRT) for transgender and transsexual people replaces the hormones naturally occurring in their bodies with those of the other sex. Its purpose is to cause the development of the secondary sex characteristics of the desired gender. It can not undo the changes produced by the first natural occurring puberty of transgender people, this is done by sexual reassignment surgery and for transwomen by epilation. Some intersex people also receive HRT, either starting in childhood to confirm the gender they were assigned, or later, if this assigment has proven to be incorrect.

Some individuals choose to self-administer their medication ("do-it-yourself"), often because available doctors have too little experience in this matter, or no doctor is available in the first place. Sometimes, trans persons choose to self-administer because their doctor will not prescribe hormones without a letter from the patient's therapist stating that the patient meets the diagnostic criteria for GID and is making an informed decision to transition.

A number of skeletal and cartilaginous changes take place after the onset of puberty at various rates and times. Sometime in the late teen years epiphyseal clusure (in other words, the ends of bones are fused closed) takes place and the length of bones is fixed for life. Consequently total height and the length of arms, legs, hands, and feet are not affected by HRT. However, details of bone shape change throughout life, bones becoming heavier and more deeply sculptured under the influence of testosterone. Many of these differences are described in the Desmond Morris book Manwatching.

Pelvis: The pelvis in females tends to be wider than in males and tilted forward; the pelvis is males tends to be more circular and tilted upwards.



Larynx: At puberty, the bones and cartilage of the voicebox tend to enlarge less in females than males. In some males, the larynx becomes visible as a bony "adam's apple."

Hands: Male hands and feet tend to be larger than female hands and feet in persons of equal height.



HRT male-to-female

For transwomen, taking estrogens causes among other changes:

the growth of breasts, with concomitant enlargement of the nipples

Breast, nipple, and areolar development takes 4-6 years to complete depending upon genetics, and sometimes as long as 10 years.


Mann Coulter with Shaun Vannity

Neurological/Psychiatric

Mood changes can occur - including the development of depression

Recent studies have indicated that cross-hormone therapy in transwomen may result in a reduction in brain volume towards female proportions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_(trans)


Horrors of Hormone Replacement Therapy

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